This is the 64 Thousand Dollar Question - and the Browns - a lot like the Giants need DBs and Olinemen - and they are going into the season with Tyrod Taylor as their starting QB
Dorsey has featured QB disappointments in the past -- see Alex Smith - and has never picked at the top of the Draft before -- he has 2 picks in the first 1 and 4, and 3 picks in the second including 33 and 35, and what amounts to the two first picks in the 3rd round (last pick in the 2nd - 1rst pick in the 3rd)
Here's the thing -- Dorsey loves RBs, LBs, CBs and Lineman -- but he's never picked a first round RB before; He's Tended to pick DBs in the first round - and he's a trader too - he traded up to pick Mahommes last year, and a few years in Kansas City he didn't even have a first round pick
In my opinion Josh Allen is a perfect fit for the style of QB he likes -- he's more like a cross between Alex Smith and Aaron Rogers (who he scouted for when he was in Green Bay)
For my money - i'd be guessing Allen at 1 and Ward at 4 -- I don;t think he picks Barkley -- he's had success picking RBs in the later rounds - He's got to take a Tackle though -- and I would guess 33 and 35 are going to be one or both O linemen-- which screws the Giants
I see the Giants picking Darnold -- or trading away their pick to a team that despirately wants Darnold for a couple of firsts and a second -- I just don't see the Giants picking Barkley -- It just doesn't feel like a Giants move to me -- especially with the needs they have on the OLine the DB and at ER.
If the Giants do trade away and land two first rounders - I see a pool of 2 from DE Chubb, DT Vea, DB Fitzpatrick and OT McKinchey maybe even Nelson -- I'd be ecstatic with two of those three - frankly Vea and McKlinchey are the two I'd prefer -- huge - huge - Giant men -- building up "From the inside out" -- with Chubb/Ward/Fitzpatrick/Nelson in that order as my back up choices depending on where the Giants #1's end up
then in the second - with two picks I'd grab fight off Dorsey for another Line man and a RB like Guice or Chubb, and CB/DB/LBs in the third, but - I can also see the Giants selecting Lauletta or even Rudolph if they drop that far with a second round pick
One thing is for sure -- as moody as this board has been -- half of you are going to be committing suicide no matter what happens ---- but I think we are going to see some fireworks this year -- I feel a block buster trade coming on
Don't get me wrong though -- I would not be angry if there weren't fireworks -- I just feel them in my bones
There's good rationales for landing either Darnold or Barkley -- I just don't see it -- not with all the needs the Giants have -- and not with the quality that will be available for a trade down -- the think this is a deep enough draft - that the Giants can really improve themselves in a number of areas with the extra picks
I want to also point out that our two all pro draftees - Beckham and Collins - were picked outside of the top 10 - if I'm taking a risk -- and I see a lot of risk in the top QBs and -- I'd rather take a couple of risks than just 1
that's how I see it
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But why would we want him? The player is NOT a pass rusher and would be off the field on 3rd down passing situations. I want no part of him in a trade down situation.
You want him because he eats offensive linemen, RBs and QBs -- he's disruptive, and he can rush the passer - he's that athletic -- and did I mention he's massively huge -- he's a frikken Giant
Vea, Snacks and Tomlinson would be quite a formidable front. Would allow your linebackers to get after the quarterback with ease.
He'll be in the mix if NYG trades back.
Says Dorsey and Gettleman could work for the CIA.
Peter King
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6h6 hours ago
I just want you to knowand this is not a pre-excuse, but a simple factthat the mock business these days has a high degree of throwing darts. Back in the day, we had a real chance at many of these picks. Now teams are significantly more secretive.
Peter King
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6h6 hours ago
[L]ook at how three of the first four picks here are controlled by guys who could work for the CIA (Dorsey, Gettleman). You get nothing out of them. (Understandably, I might add.) We all still have guys who tell us things, but its just more guarded now.
Peter King
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21h21 hours ago
Promotion for MMQB Monday:
1. My mock draft is going to be worth less than nothing.
2. Please dont read it.
3. Im not kidding.
Says Dorsey and Gettleman could work for the CIA.
Peter King
Verified account @SI_PeterKing
6h6 hours ago
I just want you to knowand this is not a pre-excuse, but a simple factthat the mock business these days has a high degree of throwing darts. Back in the day, we had a real chance at many of these picks. Now teams are significantly more secretive.
Peter King
Verified account @SI_PeterKing
6h6 hours ago
[L]ook at how three of the first four picks here are controlled by guys who could work for the CIA (Dorsey, Gettleman). You get nothing out of them. (Understandably, I might add.) We all still have guys who tell us things, but its just more guarded now.
Peter King
Verified account @SI_PeterKing
21h21 hours ago
Promotion for MMQB Monday:
1. My mock draft is going to be worth less than nothing.
2. Please dont read it.
3. Im not kidding.
Isn't it ironic that a few months ago King was confident Allen was going to be the first pick the draft. Equally as ironic is that the media - specifically the Giants' beat writers - take everything Gettleman says as gospel and are supremely confident he is going to select Barkley with the 2 pick.
Mock drafts are an exercise designed to get "clicks" The most accurate mock draft last year had 28 percent - yes, 28 percent - of the picks correct. That alone should tell you that most people have no idea who is going where.
I talked about it earlier. I still think it will be Darnold, but with Cleveland playing 8 games in that city and 3 road games in Cincy, Pitt, and Baltimore, many of which could be cold weather games, it would not surprise me to see him pick Allen. He also moved way up to replace noodle armed Alex Smith with Mahomes. I know I'm hedging a bit, but a lot of evidence points to Allen at 1. And Allen played at Wyoming while Darnold played in LA.
Still, GMs often play it safe to save their jobs, so I think in the end he goes with the consensus number 1 and sticks with Darnold, even if his own gut tells him Allen.
Whose house?
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Id bet the house on it.
Whose house?
Limerick is your thoughts Allen?
Without quality play from the most important position looking over the next 10-15 years -- you can never capitalize on the strong receiving core the Giants have. A guy like OBJ along with other receivers can be lethal in the future if you get a good QB.
Eli at best has 1 year left. The other stuff is garbage. This year the Oline will still struggle. How does that make Eli better?
The problem imo is too many fans think of the name rather than look hard at the other complimentary players not understanding the effects that other sub par players can affect the team. Eli NEEDS a TERRIFIC OLine.
If the OLine can't block well- then Eli can't deliver the ball well to his receivers. If the OLien can't block well then it means less holes for Barkley to run.