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| NYG looking to move Flowers during the draft? ESPN's Jordan Raanan said "don't be surprised" if the Giants look to trade OT Ereck Flowers during the draft. The former first-round pick has been a no-show for offseason workouts, a decision that has not been "well-received" within the organization. Even with Flowers due a reasonable $2.4 million in the final year of his rookie deal—the Giants are expected to decline his fifth-year option—the 23-year-old may struggle to draw trade interest. One anonymous NFC scout told Raanan he "wouldn't want him in the building" while adding that Flowers "sounds like he's not worth the trouble." Flowers earned PFF's No. 63 tackle grade out of 83 qualifiers last year. |
Alas, I guess the world needs ditch diggers too...
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It just seems that way to me.
I disagree. I think he'll play LT for someone, which is what he wants to do. The kid's 23 and reasonably talented. His attitude is awful, but there's always teams like Cincinnati and Dallas to take turds onto their teams.
Recall plenty of comments along the line of "Flowers looks much better this preseason" and "...Flowers has not been the problem on the O-line this year" and "Flowers hasn't given up a sack for weeks".
You know who you are...
he has to produce content daily even when there isn't a story.
There is no reason to move flowers at this point.
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Not sure why we would generalize like this. Kind of doesn't really make sense with him playing through injury as a rookie though. Or with the dozens and dozens of highly drafted millionaires who went on to have great careers.
Maybe the evaluation was just wrong and he's simply not good enough, rather than assuming with really no leg to stand on that he'd somehow be better if he was less lazy.
Only reason he statistically looked better, was because Eli got rid of the ball quicker.....but in doing so, that didn't allow Eli to have second reads on guys that may have been more open...
Someone posted a video where he whiffed on 3 attempted blocks on ONE SINGLE PLAY......That's all you need to see.....my favorite is the 4th and one against Philly at the goal line where his man beat him to the inside to make the tackle...
Really trying to be optimistic about how "improved" the OL will ultimately be.
Just getting a team to take his contract and give us some cap space would be worth it... a day three pick would be a home run.
Can we dump Flowers and Ranaan? I hate them both.
(I suspect Marshall was in the same boat. To me DG looked a little ill at ease in the PC when someone mentioned Marshall's release until he remembered the failed physical and got back on stride. That suggests to me the decision on Brandon was made before the physicals.)
As mentioned previously, Erik would have been shown the door with Hart last year if not for his high draft position and therefore possible trade value. You don't have to wear a tinfoil hat to believe that management has told Erik they will try to trade him and to stay away from the complex until something is settled (keeping him out of the locker room). He's got to be worth at least a 6th or a 7th for someone to take a flyer on him.
To me you'd get little to no value for him at this point.
he has to produce content daily even when there isn't a story.
There is no reason to move flowers at this point.
And whenever there's a lull, Raanan loves to take a shot at the guy who shoved him in the locker room.
For those questioning why trade when he might be cut? To circumvent the priority in a waiver claim. A team such as Jax, Pats, Saints, etc. who might not have a shot of claiming him over teams such as Indy, Clev, Bears, etc. might be willing to give up a 7th. Also, as someone mentioned, he could be packaged with a pick to move up.
I mentioned last week when he didn't show that his absence might be more team driven instead of his own personal decision. Even though the activities last week were only strength conditioning, if he had suffered an injury then he would have been useless in a trade. The team might have informed him that they are going to seek a trade partner during the draft and to stay away until after the draft.
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Clearly this is garbage but whats he going to do?
he has to produce content daily even when there isn't a story.
There is no reason to move flowers at this point.
And whenever there's a lull, Raanan loves to take a shot at the guy who shoved him in the locker room.
While there is no love lost between the two, the fact that Jordan didn't dig into the reason why Flowers was the only one who didn't show up last week was curious. Like a moth to a flame, it seems like a ready-made story for Jordan to do some digging on his arch nemesis.
Really trying to be optimistic about how "improved" the OL will ultimately be.
And I'm an Ole Miss alumn and will tell you the same thing about John Jerry. He wasn't a high first rounder, though...
I must say I hadn't considered that he was TOLD to stay away. You may well be correct. Nice supposition that I haven't seen discussed here before.
Remember the Reese cultists who swore up and down teams would line up to sign Reese?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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You don't have to wear a tinfoil hat to believe that management has told Erik they will try to trade him and to stay away from the complex until something is settled (keeping him out of the locker room).
I must say I hadn't considered that he was TOLD to stay away. You may well be correct. Nice supposition that I haven't seen discussed here before.
I've mentioned it on 3 different threads re: Flowers. I don't care as far as credit, but just pointing out that the theory has been floated out there for some time.
PFT on Flowers - ( New Window )
Alas, I guess the world needs ditch diggers too...
He strikes me as one of these guys who is going to blame everyone else, fail a few times, and some day, when he's out of the league, look back and think "Maybe it was me."
Pay the price: a conditional 6th.
Now that I vented my disappointment at HIM for not attending the workout with SO much on the line for him given his situation, I agree with you.
First he fights for the job, and if relegated to the bench, someone may pay, especially if they've been hit with long term injuries at LT.
He will have value, particularly as both free agency and the draft are light on quality OTs.
I could see a trade happening if they address RT in the draft.
Looking at what other rookie OL have been traded for, we are probably looking at a 4th/ 5th round pick at best value wise.
The Browns seem to be the most likely option to be a trade partner given Joe Thomas's retirement and Dorsey's willingness to trade for players. Like the Giants the Browns are turning over their roster.
The Browns have 1, 4, 33, 35, 64, 114, 150, 175, 188. Realistically we could probably get 150 (maybe 114) for Flowers.
Another option could be trading for a player, perhaps someone like Corey Coleman, Duke Johnson or Emmanuel Ogbah (particularly of they get Chubb).
Sure, trading Flowers would create $2,397,507 in cap room. The biggest reason for trading Flowers is if he doesn't fit what Gettleman and Shurmur want to build. Given it will be a more run orientated offence, that seems to be a better fit for Flowers.
Should Flowers be traded, it would be rather interesting.
6 games or something . I mean is he Greg Robinson bad ?
I don't think he is that bad he just isn't very likable
and his mechanics showed up as the season wore on .
I wouldn't hesitate to move him but not for a 6-7 round pick .
It just seems that way to me.
It may not be that he doesn’t like to play. My guess is his whole life he got by with shitty technique due to his size, strength, and athletic ability until he hit he hit the NFL. Breaking years of bad habits is sometimes just not possible. And being best buds with a turd like Hart IMO didn’t help.
I also don’t think the coaching leadership once TC left was a good thing. All contributing factors to this kids lack of development. Supposedly he played better at times but attitude and heart are often what separates guys at this level. He just doesn’t seem to get it. He may never. Plenty of high draft picks wash out. He’s hardly an anomoly. Marvin Austin like IMO. Lots of Physical talent but the light never goes on on how to translate that talent to an NFL level
I kid; I kid. ;-)
Now where’s my damn sticky?!
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They've been talking "culture" since DG and Shurmur came aboard, and yet Flowers can't be bothered to come in for his first "job interview" with his new coach?
I've wondered whether he could be a throw in in a Cleveland trade, since Thomas retired.
We swap the 2nd and the 4th. Cleveland gives us their 3 #2's and we send them Flowers and an apology.
Seems nobody caught this... Well played sir!
Anyway, there was intense clamor to take an OL (any OL) at the time of that draft. Flowers is an example of why you're generally better off going for talent rather than trying to force and pigeonhole a pick.
And for all that, I will say that we will never know about Erik Flowers. We will never know how much he might have contributed or grew or what he would have become had Will Beatty not gotten hurt.
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but no technique, he may be worth a middle or late round pick to somebody. We will see. Thanks for that Reese and Ross. Any GM job offers yet? Thought not .
Remember the Reese cultists who swore up and down teams would line up to sign Reese?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
They would have 2012-2013. Not in 2018.