I know he's penciled in to back up Solder, and that he played LT at USC, but I think I remember him playing at RT here before being moved, and looking pretty good doing it. Right now I'm not sold on Flowers at RT, and the depth after him doesn't look promising to me. If Wheeler should continue to develop and prove to be the team's best available tackle, anybody think he could wind up as starter?
He probably did not show up voluntarily, because they told him they were not going to exercise the fifth year option on him, by May 3.....
He knows he is under contract, he knows he is going to be paid whether he starts, is a backup, or is cut....
Would you cut a guy with guaranteed money, even if you make him a backup? If you do, you lose that money and then you have to pay for a guy to replace him....
He has to know, that if he doesn't play at RT or RG, the contract with another team for next year, will reflect this....it would be like him throwing money out the window...
I feel he will give 100%, which is about 75% of an average G/RT.......I'm sure his agent will point out to him, that he will be playing for his next contract.....this would give him an opportunity to sign a one year deal as a LT next year, to show everyone it was the Giant coaching staff and not him that was the problem....I think that's what he believes....
He has a year of valuable experience......whether he turns into an average RT overnight, remains to be seen.....we better hope he does....
He probably did not show up voluntarily, because they told him they were not going to exercise the fifth year option on him, by May 3.....
He knows he is under contract, he knows he is going to be paid whether he starts, is a backup, or is cut....
Would you cut a guy with guaranteed money, even if you make him a backup? If you do, you lose that money and then you have to pay for a guy to replace him....
He has to know, that if he doesn't play at RT or RG, the contract with another team for next year, will reflect this....it would be like him throwing money out the window...
I feel he will give 100%, which is about 75% of an average G/RT.......I'm sure his agent will point out to him, that he will be playing for his next contract.....this would give him an opportunity to sign a one year deal as a LT next year, to show everyone it was the Giant coaching staff and not him that was the problem....I think that's what he believes....
If DG thinks he is a locker room cancer (with a track record to back that up) he may want to complete the house cleaning and get whatever he can in the spring in a trade.
Erik certainly has not shown the commitment DG is looking for.
He has a year of valuable experience......whether he turns into an average RT overnight, remains to be seen.....we better hope he does....
Doomster, not only are your posts shitty in general,but they also show you dont watch the team. Wheeler more than showed his ability to get to the edge and other good foot work. Def enough for a RT in the NFL. He was getting beaten with power and needed time in the room.
But keep on sucking.
He probably did not show up voluntarily, because they told him they were not going to exercise the fifth year option on him, by May 3.....
He knows he is under contract, he knows he is going to be paid whether he starts, is a backup, or is cut....
Would you cut a guy with guaranteed money, even if you make him a backup? If you do, you lose that money and then you have to pay for a guy to replace him....
He has to know, that if he doesn't play at RT or RG, the contract with another team for next year, will reflect this....it would be like him throwing money out the window...
I feel he will give 100%, which is about 75% of an average G/RT.......I'm sure his agent will point out to him, that he will be playing for his next contract.....this would give him an opportunity to sign a one year deal as a LT next year, to show everyone it was the Giant coaching staff and not him that was the problem....I think that's what he believes....
If he was giving 100% he would have showed up, and shown some commitment to learning RT.
I've been in favor of giving Flowers every opportunity, but t this point it's becoming apparent that he doesn't give a shit.
All players have a Forfeiture clause in their contract. There are different suspensions and corresponding fines. The distinction of Conduct Detrimental to the Team allows for the team to pursue repayment of the pro-rated signing bonus and void guarantees. In the case of 1st round picks, their contract is fully guaranteed. Now, with regards to Flowers, I don't think he was suspended for Conduct Detrimental. I know Apple was suspended with that distinction. It has been apparent with the "clean slate" PR that the team has foregone their right to pursue repayment and voiding the guarantees.
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the thought Flowers will be cut.....he has guaranteed money.....
He probably did not show up voluntarily, because they told him they were not going to exercise the fifth year option on him, by May 3.....
He knows he is under contract, he knows he is going to be paid whether he starts, is a backup, or is cut....
Would you cut a guy with guaranteed money, even if you make him a backup? If you do, you lose that money and then you have to pay for a guy to replace him....
He has to know, that if he doesn't play at RT or RG, the contract with another team for next year, will reflect this....it would be like him throwing money out the window...
I feel he will give 100%, which is about 75% of an average G/RT.......I'm sure his agent will point out to him, that he will be playing for his next contract.....this would give him an opportunity to sign a one year deal as a LT next year, to show everyone it was the Giant coaching staff and not him that was the problem....I think that's what he believes....
If he was giving 100% he would have showed up, and shown some commitment to learning RT.
I've been in favor of giving Flowers every opportunity, but t this point it's becoming apparent that he doesn't give a shit.
You cant do anything but strength and conditioning at these OTAs. There's no football work being done.
...for our O-line.
No legit right tackle and a marginal, back-up at right guard.
Oh, and by the way, as much as I like our Center, no one is gonna confuse him with Kevin Mawae or Nick Mangold.
And our left guard is serviceable as a starter... but he's no All-Star.
We need help!
He wants to to be played and paid at LT. And probably believes that the o-line problems were not his fault but the result of the MacAdo-do offence.
Betting on himself?
He wants to to be played and paid at LT. And probably believes that the o-line problems were not his fault but the result of the MacAdo-do offence.
Betting on himself?
If Flowers is betting on himself, he's gonna lose that bet. He really isn't that good. He turned out to be a 4th round talent that Jerry Reese over-drafted by about 100 picks or so.
Flowers should try gardening, not football.
I could also win the lottery or die in a car accident. There was little I saw last year that says he is ready right now to be a starting RT in the NFL. Hopefully with the time under his belt and this offseason he can come back looking better. That being said, he is not someone I would pencil in as the starter unless he wins it in camp/preseason. Flowers, for all of his issues between his ears, has demonstrated more than Wheeler has, but that is to be expected.
Yep!
Being our 2nd best OT last year isn’t saying much especially since that means Flowers was our best OT (Fluker looked better at OG). It is no guarantee that Wheeler will improve. Where was the improvement from Richburg after his one good season?
If the Giants add a RT early in the draft then I would like to see Wheeler shift over to LG. With the added weight he is the same weight as Pugh was last season. Wheeler could gain valuable experience and start at LG and potentially replace Solder in a few years. Omameh is a better fit at RG IMO.
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If Wikipedia can be believed both the injury history and "off field" problems of Wheeler are pretty serious. Those, not a lack of talent, is why he was an UDFA. He was a talented and highly effective OL during his play at USC.
This on his "trivial off field" concerns -
"On December 19, 2015, Wheeler was involved in an incident on the USC campus. Los Angeles Police responded to a call at 8:45 AM at an apartment in South Los Angeles near the USC campus. The police arrived and a suspect, who was identified as Wheeler, was possibly under the influence of drugs and alcohol and was punching walls and windows in the apartment. After Wheeler injured his hand he ran out of the apartment, and then--ignoring the commands of police--ran back into the apartment. He was confronted by police who were concerned he might grab a weapon and got into an altercation with them that led the police to shoot him with multiple bean bag rounds, a type of less-lethal force. Wheeler was detained by the police but not arrested, and was instead transported to a local hospital to be held under protective custody for a psychiatric evaluation.[8] His girlfriend and her seven-month old son were present during the altercation; she was detained and released, the child was given to a family member."
He didn't get suspended. Spags was clear that he was out due to injury. So even if that was a lie and he actually was suspended, by Spags contradicting that, it would be a pretty clear grievance for the NFLPA to file.