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Do you think the Giants know what they are doing yet?

CMicks3110 : 4/22/2018 8:42 pm
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perhaps phrased better  
CMicks3110 : 4/22/2018 8:43 pm : link
"what they are going to do"
Depends what the Browns do..  
Sean : 4/22/2018 8:46 pm : link
I think it is Darnold or Barkley barring some team blowing them away on the clock (multiple picks this year + next year 1st).
I think DG knows what he would 'like' to do...  
Torrag : 4/22/2018 8:47 pm : link
...but it will depend on if Clevelnd takes the guy he really wants at #2. So in essence he doesn't know what he will do because it's out of his control.

Personally I believe Darnold is the guy but we may never know for sure if the Browns pick him #1 overall.
I guarantee you they won't know  
Allen in CNJ : 4/22/2018 8:47 pm : link
exactly what they're going to do until Cleveland makes their pick (or they know who cleveland is taking), and when that's done, they will be in full-on war room mode.

Gettleman does say he has 3 guys for every pick when the pick comes, so I would say they will know pretty quickly where they're going when they know who the Browns are taking.
I hated the Gettleman selection when it was announced  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 4/22/2018 8:56 pm : link
The more I hear him talk football, the more I read his interviews the better I feel about it. Gettleman is in control and is calm, cool, totally able to handle this. 4 days out and without a pick being made, I'm changing my tune on DG.
Of course they do...They will get one of their top two guys  
MartyGlickman : 4/22/2018 8:56 pm : link
depending on what the the Browns do at #1. If their #1 prority is Darnold but the Browns take him, they go to #2...Barclay. In the meantime, if someone blows them away with a trade down proposal, we go to plan B. Just because we fans don't know their preferences doesn't mean Gettleman doesn't have a plan in place.
yes  
firedbytheboss : 4/22/2018 8:59 pm : link
I think the number one guy on their board is Rosen and he will be there when they make their selection.
There are basically 3 overhwhelming favorite scenarios  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 9:00 pm : link
That Cleveland can do:

Barkley
Darnold
Allen

Giants have their board. And if 2 guys are very highly rated (especially a QB) then they know what they will do. Unless they are bowled over by a trade-down. It would be hard to be surprised and unprepared at the 2 spot.

Draft Board / Draft Scenarios  
Peppers : 4/22/2018 9:05 pm : link
I think their board is set or close to it. Beginning part of this week they'll run down different scenarios and make a plan for each.
Of course they do  
illmatic : 4/22/2018 9:07 pm : link
They have the number two pick. They have two guys they like more than anyone else. It's not like they're going to get hit with a major surprise at #1 and scrambling when it's their pick. They'll take one of their top two guys or they'll love a trade offer and they'll move down.
I think they're taking Rosen  
cwillm : 4/22/2018 9:14 pm : link
Reasons for this being what many have outlined here previously including the dinner w/ the owners, the 'radio silence' around him versus the other top prospects, the fact that he's the best passer in the draft class, etc..

Could easily be Darnold instead, who knows..I think after the draft, the selection of a QB will be clear to everyone in hindsight for reasons which again, have been highlighted and described on this board at length over the past few months.

Barkley to me is the 'feel good' pick, whereas QB is the smart pick. Next year is more exciting with Barkley, without question. However, the draft is about building a foundation for the future and not just about what makes next year more exciting. Thursday cannot come soon enough!
I don't think the Giants know what they are doing yet  
Jimmy Googs : 4/22/2018 9:16 pm : link
otherwise we would have heard by now.

Oh...I forgot Reese was fired.

never mind...
Trades are speculated  
Rjanyg : 4/22/2018 9:18 pm : link
But you have to imagine they have a good idea of their top 2 players.

The thing we don't know is how open for business they are at 2.

If Cleveland wants to secure Both the top QB and RB they trade up.

NYG would have to know who their top 4 are and you have to think they know that too.

Even a trade with Denver, same thing. Every scenario should be mapped out and they should be prepared for any offer.
RE: yes  
The_Boss : 4/22/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13925505 firedbytheboss said:
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I think the number one guy on their board is Rosen and he will be there when they make their selection.


I only wish this was true.
We’ll see  
WillVAB : 4/22/2018 9:38 pm : link
The longer the clock ticks when they’re up the more likely they trade down.
From the Press conference..  
blueblood : 4/22/2018 9:38 pm : link
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Q: How close are you to making a final decision at this point or how close are you at narrowing it down to a couple guys?

A: How close? You can’t close your mind. You can’t close your mind. You don’t know what is going to happen.

Q: Well it’s a little easier at No. 2 isn’t it?

A: Sure. Listen, we’ll know when we know. I’m not making any decisions before that.


and this piece from the opening statement

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They will be back Sunday night, we’ll take a good, hard look at the board again on Monday and Tuesday morning and then we’ll be ready to roll.


Things can be fluid right up until the point they are not. I am sure that there are things in place..

The board is in place.,, possibly adjusting some final things.. but I suspect its mostly in place..

They have probably run a few mock draft scenarios.. what happens if Cleveland takes this guy.. or this guy is gone.. or someone trades up to get a guy..

They most likely have several " offers "
(ie the basic parameters are set) from teams to trade down in place obviously based on who is available. And the phone numbers of every GM at the ready..

They are making sure that they have every number of every agent of every player they are interested in ready to make a phone call.

Things like that..


If you really listen to DGs pre-draft conference  
Simms11 : 4/22/2018 9:45 pm : link
you would think it’s Barkley, if he’s there. He’s indicated that he won’t lie, but maybe he’s really good at laying down the smoke?!
According to William Gay',s barber  
old man : 4/22/2018 9:51 pm : link
Gay wanted #26 but was told it was reserved.
Paging Mr. Barkley!
Scouts and others  
GeoMan999 : 4/22/2018 10:33 pm : link
Are coming to town tonight and they begin meetings tomorrow to finalize their board. I read that somewhere a few days ago.
Having come of age as a fan in the 70s and early 80s,  
81_Great_Dane : 4/22/2018 10:38 pm : link
I'm never sure the Giants know what they're doing.
No  
PatersonPlank : 4/22/2018 10:53 pm : link
Absolutely not
RE: I hated the Gettleman selection when it was announced  
Joey in VA : 4/22/2018 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13925502 Bold Ruler said:
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The more I hear him talk football, the more I read his interviews the better I feel about it. Gettleman is in control and is calm, cool, totally able to handle this. 4 days out and without a pick being made, I'm changing my tune on DG.
Perhaps you don't deserve to be a MOD if you can't see what a positive influence DG was in his time here as director of pro personnel. Although the other "mods"aren't in danger of splitting the atom either, so I guess you fit right in.
RE: No  
Joey in VA : 4/22/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13925591 PatersonPlank said:
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Absolutely not
Fuck me you're stupid. A professional NFL franchise 4 days out has no idea what to do? Go watch Jai-Alai or something less mentally taxing, football isn't for you.
My opinion is that DG has known who his pick is for months now  
cosmicj : 4/22/2018 11:25 pm : link
(it’s Rosen) and has been spending his time carefully plotting the rest of the draft and examining a few 1st round trade scenarios to be thorough.

I know gidiefor started a thread on who the Browns will take #1 but my real curiosity is who the Jets will take at #3 and whether DG knows who they will pick.
RE: RE: No  
PatersonPlank : 4/22/2018 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13925599 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 13925591 PatersonPlank said:


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Absolutely not

Fuck me you're stupid. A professional NFL franchise 4 days out has no idea what to do? Go watch Jai-Alai or something less mentally taxing, football isn't for you.


No, you're stupid. I was just joking. Of course they know. They will likely refine things throughout the week. Watch who you are calling stupid.
I have been back and forth  
chiro56 : 4/23/2018 12:55 am : link
with what the Giants are going to do. So many good posts the last few weeks in pointing out how certain players would have to be the choice. For some reason, I keep going back to Rosen. I think DG has been really sly about this pick and really feels he is the best QB to lead the Giants into the next 10 years. But we will see.
RE: My opinion is that DG has known who his pick is for months now  
firedbytheboss : 4/23/2018 2:20 am : link
In comment 13925607 cosmicj said:
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(it’s Rosen) and has been spending his time carefully plotting the rest of the draft and examining a few 1st round trade scenarios to be thorough.

I know gidiefor started a thread on who the Browns will take #1 but my real curiosity is who the Jets will take at #3 and whether DG knows who they will pick.


I think the Jets want Rosen or if he's not there Mayfield.

I think the first 3 picks are:

CLE - Darnold
NYG - Rosen
NYJ - Mayfield

I know DG said it won't have an impact  
Jay in Toronto : 4/23/2018 4:21 am : link
But on the chance that Davis blows everyone away with his play the next three days starting tomorrow - I can't see how that wouldn't have an effect.
RE: I don't think the Giants know what they are doing yet  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 6:14 am : link
In comment 13925525 Jimmy Googs said:
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otherwise we would have heard by now.

Oh...I forgot Reese was fired.

never mind...
If they pick a QB then this was a well kept secret. If they go Barkley this was as obvious as any of Reese picks. Schwartz’s Garofolo Ditino Accorsi, etc dating from the beginning. Not to mention he’s practically said so with comments like: my mother could scout him, Gold Jacket, simple truth you have to run the hall, downplaying the QBs and calling it hogwash you need to draft a QB, all the talk of setting your team back 5 years, etc.
I have a feeling they are going to stay at 2 and make a pick  
ZogZerg : 4/23/2018 6:17 am : link
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Kind of disagree Uber. I just don’t connect GM comments  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2018 6:23 am : link
to players they plan on selecting. To me they are just an indication of saying something without really saying anything.

In fact, might as just come out and only mention one name for like a month. Who the hell would rely on that for anything?

Googs  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 6:34 am : link
The beats have been saying the same thing from the beginning. They are hearing they love Barkley and are also high in Chubb. The people saying QB are basically going by what they believe should be done with a pick that high, but pretty much everything coming out of team points to Barkley or Chubb. If they go that route, this was no more concealed than any of Reece’s picks. Maybe even more so if you consider Accorsi comments.

Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.
Hasn’t the FO been told to go scout QBs since November?  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2018 6:39 am : link
And all those owner dinners and how heavy the scouts have been seen at QB days and such?

Maybe your right as I don’t follow the beats really that much, but I thought it was much more all over board. I also was thinking it was Barkley versus all the QBs because the beats don’t have a clue as to QB ranking order yet so Barkley gets more specific airtime.
RE: Googs  
Sean : 4/23/2018 6:46 am : link
In comment 13925663 UberAlias said:
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The beats have been saying the same thing from the beginning. They are hearing they love Barkley and are also high in Chubb. The people saying QB are basically going by what they believe should be done with a pick that high, but pretty much everything coming out of team points to Barkley or Chubb. If they go that route, this was no more concealed than any of Reece’s picks. Maybe even more so if you consider Accorsi comments.

Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.


They pick 2nd. If Cleveland takes their guy at 1 (Darnold) then what’s it matter?
if Barkley is there we pick him  
Chip : 4/23/2018 6:54 am : link
if not we trade down if we can.
Darnold, Rosen or trade to 4 if they think they can still get either  
TD : 4/23/2018 7:24 am : link
That’s the plan.
RE: if Barkley is there we pick him  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2018 7:25 am : link
In comment 13925671 Chip said:
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if not we trade down if we can.


This is exactly the opposite of my opinion. I would pick a QB and I would stay.

Its kind of amazing how little consensus there is actually is on BBI and we sit at #2. Imagine if we were 5th...
RE: Darnold, Rosen or trade to 4 if they think they can still get either  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2018 7:26 am : link
In comment 13925681 TD said:
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That’s the plan.


actually that would be my plan as well.

I am with TD for the next few days...
The Giants definitely know what they are going to do...  
EricJ : 4/23/2018 7:32 am : link
depending upon who the Browns select. They also have a plan for what they could want and who they would select if a team calls to trade up. They are probably spending more time right now evaluating the players in the back half of the first round in the event that one of them falls to us with our next pick. Then, they are probably spending more time evaluating who they may want with our 3rd and 4th selections.

The first round selection has already been made.
Um, maybe they exactly don't. Maybe DG likes a QB  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2018 7:38 am : link
better than Mara does. Maybe Shurmur has a hard-on to get a bit more out of Eli so he wants to go with Barkley, but also likes the QB that Mara does if they go in a different direction.

And maybe, they all like the same QB but would love to sell that pick, Erick Flowers and Eli and get this show going on the next Super Bowl team.

Or maybe you're right...
RE: RE: Googs  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 7:44 am : link
In comment 13925668 Sean said:
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In comment 13925663 UberAlias said:


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The beats have been saying the same thing from the beginning. They are hearing they love Barkley and are also high in Chubb. The people saying QB are basically going by what they believe should be done with a pick that high, but pretty much everything coming out of team points to Barkley or Chubb. If they go that route, this was no more concealed than any of Reece’s picks. Maybe even more so if you consider Accorsi comments.

Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.



They pick 2nd. If Cleveland takes their guy at 1 (Darnold) then what’s it matter?
It matters for several reasons. 1. because Cleveland is also picking at 4. They could take our guy (say Barkley) at 1 instead of seeing if he will drop to 4 if they know we are going to pick him. 2. we lose potential leverage in trade down options. 3. That's not even the question. The statement that was made was that DG has done a better job of disguising his picks than JR.
Gee....if your career was this shit  
AnnapolisMike : 4/23/2018 7:49 am : link
I think you would have a plan and spreadsheet for almost every reasonable contingency.

They know how every player stacks up with a corresponding value to the team. They know who their potential trade partners are and frameworks for potential trades on draft day. The only thing they don't know (probably) is who is the one guy that will not be available to them.

And despite all the talk about trades and such, they are probably going to use the #2 pick on a player they fully expect to help define the direction of the franchise for the next 5-10 years.

RE: Hasn’t the FO been told to go scout QBs since November?  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 7:51 am : link
In comment 13925666 Jimmy Googs said:
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And all those owner dinners and how heavy the scouts have been seen at QB days and such?

Maybe your right as I don’t follow the beats really that much, but I thought it was much more all over board. I also was thinking it was Barkley versus all the QBs because the beats don’t have a clue as to QB ranking order yet so Barkley gets more specific airtime.
They are doing their homework on all of the likely suspects. But most of the beat writers, the ones with the better connections, have been saying they will not go QB and pointing towards Barkley or possibly Chubb pretty much since the start. I've seen Dittino get physically uncomfortable at the suggestion that it might be a QB and Schwartz has a new article saying the same thing every other day. Garafolo has suggested the same, so have others. If the target was Barkley, DG and EAs comments have done nothing to conceal the fact, only further push the point.
I am pleased  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/23/2018 7:53 am : link
that nobody outside of the Giants management knows what the Giants will do.
Well Uber, it would be a nice change if the  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2018 8:05 am : link
obvious pick of Barkley is not the pick. For the sheer point of the FO doing their jobs and keeping it in house.
I'm sure they have assembled a draft board  
Beer Man : 4/23/2018 8:21 am : link
And have identified different scenarios of what they want to do (plus have factored in who the Browns might take). There will be some tweaking between now and Thursday, but I would bet they have a good idea of what they want to do.
Having said that ....  
Beer Man : 4/23/2018 8:24 am : link
I'm guessing they will use the 10 minutes on the clock to see if there is a desperate team wanting to make an obscene offer to move into the #2 slot.
if Darnold is gone  
JonC : 4/23/2018 8:25 am : link
do they go best defensive player or best offensive appears to be the question.
Fairly sure I know the plan  
idiotsavant : 4/23/2018 8:38 am : link
But I ain't saying shit.
Gettleman  
PaulN : 4/23/2018 9:06 am : link
Is very entertaining and seems very smart.
No.  
AcidTest : 4/23/2018 9:23 am : link
The Giants know what they will do in certain scenarios. But it all depends on who Cleveland drafts.
They better know what their doing.  
mai71 : 4/23/2018 9:40 am : link
At this point, they have horizontal rows of player with identical or very close grades. How their selection is picked could be determined by who in the organization has the most say.

Does anybody in the organization have veto power ( Mara and/or Tisch )? Is it a consensus pick? They only know. What is their vision for 2018? Do they believe they can contend with a pick like Barkley at 2 or pick for the possible future franchise QB and signal that the team is in full rebuild mode?

Trading down would seem to me the most complicated path but maybe the most realistic way to build this team into a perennial powerhouse.
When picking 2  
mpinmaine : 4/23/2018 9:44 am : link
I don't see what it matters if other teams know who we like,,,I suppose in a trade scenario it's a concern possibly to be tight lipped.
I have and always do read this site daily, no where have I seen written that NYG lets everyone know their preferences.

The team will get who they want IMO

RE: Well Uber, it would be a nice change if the  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13925725 Jimmy Googs said:
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obvious pick of Barkley is not the pick. For the sheer point of the FO doing their jobs and keeping it in house.
I agree. I have a suspicion they may be targeting a QB and have locked down any leaks, but that's my guess.
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