...but it will depend on if Clevelnd takes the guy he really wants at #2. So in essence he doesn't know what he will do because it's out of his control.
Personally I believe Darnold is the guy but we may never know for sure if the Browns pick him #1 overall.
exactly what they're going to do until Cleveland makes their pick (or they know who cleveland is taking), and when that's done, they will be in full-on war room mode.
Gettleman does say he has 3 guys for every pick when the pick comes, so I would say they will know pretty quickly where they're going when they know who the Browns are taking.
I hated the Gettleman selection when it was announced Â
The more I hear him talk football, the more I read his interviews the better I feel about it. Gettleman is in control and is calm, cool, totally able to handle this. 4 days out and without a pick being made, I'm changing my tune on DG.
Of course they do...They will get one of their top two guys Â
depending on what the the Browns do at #1. If their #1 prority is Darnold but the Browns take him, they go to #2...Barclay. In the meantime, if someone blows them away with a trade down proposal, we go to plan B. Just because we fans don't know their preferences doesn't mean Gettleman doesn't have a plan in place.
Giants have their board. And if 2 guys are very highly rated (especially a QB) then they know what they will do. Unless they are bowled over by a trade-down. It would be hard to be surprised and unprepared at the 2 spot.
They have the number two pick. They have two guys they like more than anyone else. It's not like they're going to get hit with a major surprise at #1 and scrambling when it's their pick. They'll take one of their top two guys or they'll love a trade offer and they'll move down.
Reasons for this being what many have outlined here previously including the dinner w/ the owners, the 'radio silence' around him versus the other top prospects, the fact that he's the best passer in the draft class, etc..
Could easily be Darnold instead, who knows..I think after the draft, the selection of a QB will be clear to everyone in hindsight for reasons which again, have been highlighted and described on this board at length over the past few months.
Barkley to me is the 'feel good' pick, whereas QB is the smart pick. Next year is more exciting with Barkley, without question. However, the draft is about building a foundation for the future and not just about what makes next year more exciting. Thursday cannot come soon enough!
I don't think the Giants know what they are doing yet Â
Q: How close are you to making a final decision at this point or how close are you at narrowing it down to a couple guys?
A: How close? You can’t close your mind. You can’t close your mind. You don’t know what is going to happen.
Q: Well it’s a little easier at No. 2 isn’t it?
A: Sure. Listen, we’ll know when we know. I’m not making any decisions before that.
and this piece from the opening statement
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They will be back Sunday night, we’ll take a good, hard look at the board again on Monday and Tuesday morning and then we’ll be ready to roll.
Things can be fluid right up until the point they are not. I am sure that there are things in place..
The board is in place.,, possibly adjusting some final things.. but I suspect its mostly in place..
They have probably run a few mock draft scenarios.. what happens if Cleveland takes this guy.. or this guy is gone.. or someone trades up to get a guy..
They most likely have several " offers "
(ie the basic parameters are set) from teams to trade down in place obviously based on who is available. And the phone numbers of every GM at the ready..
They are making sure that they have every number of every agent of every player they are interested in ready to make a phone call.
Things like that..
If you really listen to DGs pre-draft conference Â
The more I hear him talk football, the more I read his interviews the better I feel about it. Gettleman is in control and is calm, cool, totally able to handle this. 4 days out and without a pick being made, I'm changing my tune on DG.
Perhaps you don't deserve to be a MOD if you can't see what a positive influence DG was in his time here as director of pro personnel. Although the other "mods"aren't in danger of splitting the atom either, so I guess you fit right in.
Fuck me you're stupid. A professional NFL franchise 4 days out has no idea what to do? Go watch Jai-Alai or something less mentally taxing, football isn't for you.
My opinion is that DG has known who his pick is for months now Â
(it’s Rosen) and has been spending his time carefully plotting the rest of the draft and examining a few 1st round trade scenarios to be thorough.
I know gidiefor started a thread on who the Browns will take #1 but my real curiosity is who the Jets will take at #3 and whether DG knows who they will pick.
Fuck me you're stupid. A professional NFL franchise 4 days out has no idea what to do? Go watch Jai-Alai or something less mentally taxing, football isn't for you.
No, you're stupid. I was just joking. Of course they know. They will likely refine things throughout the week. Watch who you are calling stupid.
with what the Giants are going to do. So many good posts the last few weeks in pointing out how certain players would have to be the choice. For some reason, I keep going back to Rosen. I think DG has been really sly about this pick and really feels he is the best QB to lead the Giants into the next 10 years. But we will see.
RE: My opinion is that DG has known who his pick is for months now Â
(it’s Rosen) and has been spending his time carefully plotting the rest of the draft and examining a few 1st round trade scenarios to be thorough.
I know gidiefor started a thread on who the Browns will take #1 but my real curiosity is who the Jets will take at #3 and whether DG knows who they will pick.
I think the Jets want Rosen or if he's not there Mayfield.
If they pick a QB then this was a well kept secret. If they go Barkley this was as obvious as any of Reese picks. Schwartz’s Garofolo Ditino Accorsi, etc dating from the beginning. Not to mention he’s practically said so with comments like: my mother could scout him, Gold Jacket, simple truth you have to run the hall, downplaying the QBs and calling it hogwash you need to draft a QB, all the talk of setting your team back 5 years, etc.
I have a feeling they are going to stay at 2 and make a pick Â
The beats have been saying the same thing from the beginning. They are hearing they love Barkley and are also high in Chubb. The people saying QB are basically going by what they believe should be done with a pick that high, but pretty much everything coming out of team points to Barkley or Chubb. If they go that route, this was no more concealed than any of Reece’s picks. Maybe even more so if you consider Accorsi comments.
Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.
Hasn’t the FO been told to go scout QBs since November? Â
And all those owner dinners and how heavy the scouts have been seen at QB days and such?
Maybe your right as I don’t follow the beats really that much, but I thought it was much more all over board. I also was thinking it was Barkley versus all the QBs because the beats don’t have a clue as to QB ranking order yet so Barkley gets more specific airtime.
The beats have been saying the same thing from the beginning. They are hearing they love Barkley and are also high in Chubb. The people saying QB are basically going by what they believe should be done with a pick that high, but pretty much everything coming out of team points to Barkley or Chubb. If they go that route, this was no more concealed than any of Reece’s picks. Maybe even more so if you consider Accorsi comments.
Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.
They pick 2nd. If Cleveland takes their guy at 1 (Darnold) then what’s it matter?
depending upon who the Browns select. They also have a plan for what they could want and who they would select if a team calls to trade up. They are probably spending more time right now evaluating the players in the back half of the first round in the event that one of them falls to us with our next pick. Then, they are probably spending more time evaluating who they may want with our 3rd and 4th selections.
The first round selection has already been made.
Um, maybe they exactly don't. Maybe DG likes a QB Â
better than Mara does. Maybe Shurmur has a hard-on to get a bit more out of Eli so he wants to go with Barkley, but also likes the QB that Mara does if they go in a different direction.
And maybe, they all like the same QB but would love to sell that pick, Erick Flowers and Eli and get this show going on the next Super Bowl team.
The beats have been saying the same thing from the beginning. They are hearing they love Barkley and are also high in Chubb. The people saying QB are basically going by what they believe should be done with a pick that high, but pretty much everything coming out of team points to Barkley or Chubb. If they go that route, this was no more concealed than any of Reece’s picks. Maybe even more so if you consider Accorsi comments.
Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.
They pick 2nd. If Cleveland takes their guy at 1 (Darnold) then what’s it matter?
It matters for several reasons. 1. because Cleveland is also picking at 4. They could take our guy (say Barkley) at 1 instead of seeing if he will drop to 4 if they know we are going to pick him. 2. we lose potential leverage in trade down options. 3. That's not even the question. The statement that was made was that DG has done a better job of disguising his picks than JR.
I think you would have a plan and spreadsheet for almost every reasonable contingency.
They know how every player stacks up with a corresponding value to the team. They know who their potential trade partners are and frameworks for potential trades on draft day. The only thing they don't know (probably) is who is the one guy that will not be available to them.
And despite all the talk about trades and such, they are probably going to use the #2 pick on a player they fully expect to help define the direction of the franchise for the next 5-10 years.
RE: Hasn’t the FO been told to go scout QBs since November? Â
And all those owner dinners and how heavy the scouts have been seen at QB days and such?
Maybe your right as I don’t follow the beats really that much, but I thought it was much more all over board. I also was thinking it was Barkley versus all the QBs because the beats don’t have a clue as to QB ranking order yet so Barkley gets more specific airtime.
They are doing their homework on all of the likely suspects. But most of the beat writers, the ones with the better connections, have been saying they will not go QB and pointing towards Barkley or possibly Chubb pretty much since the start. I've seen Dittino get physically uncomfortable at the suggestion that it might be a QB and Schwartz has a new article saying the same thing every other day. Garafolo has suggested the same, so have others. If the target was Barkley, DG and EAs comments have done nothing to conceal the fact, only further push the point.
And have identified different scenarios of what they want to do (plus have factored in who the Browns might take). There will be some tweaking between now and Thursday, but I would bet they have a good idea of what they want to do.
At this point, they have horizontal rows of player with identical or very close grades. How their selection is picked could be determined by who in the organization has the most say.
Does anybody in the organization have veto power ( Mara and/or Tisch )? Is it a consensus pick? They only know. What is their vision for 2018? Do they believe they can contend with a pick like Barkley at 2 or pick for the possible future franchise QB and signal that the team is in full rebuild mode?
Trading down would seem to me the most complicated path but maybe the most realistic way to build this team into a perennial powerhouse.
I don't see what it matters if other teams know who we like,,,I suppose in a trade scenario it's a concern possibly to be tight lipped.
I have and always do read this site daily, no where have I seen written that NYG lets everyone know their preferences.
Personally I believe Darnold is the guy but we may never know for sure if the Browns pick him #1 overall.
Gettleman does say he has 3 guys for every pick when the pick comes, so I would say they will know pretty quickly where they're going when they know who the Browns are taking.
Barkley
Darnold
Allen
Giants have their board. And if 2 guys are very highly rated (especially a QB) then they know what they will do. Unless they are bowled over by a trade-down. It would be hard to be surprised and unprepared at the 2 spot.
Could easily be Darnold instead, who knows..I think after the draft, the selection of a QB will be clear to everyone in hindsight for reasons which again, have been highlighted and described on this board at length over the past few months.
Barkley to me is the 'feel good' pick, whereas QB is the smart pick. Next year is more exciting with Barkley, without question. However, the draft is about building a foundation for the future and not just about what makes next year more exciting. Thursday cannot come soon enough!
Oh...I forgot Reese was fired.
never mind...
The thing we don't know is how open for business they are at 2.
If Cleveland wants to secure Both the top QB and RB they trade up.
NYG would have to know who their top 4 are and you have to think they know that too.
Even a trade with Denver, same thing. Every scenario should be mapped out and they should be prepared for any offer.
I only wish this was true.
A: How close? You can’t close your mind. You can’t close your mind. You don’t know what is going to happen.
Q: Well it’s a little easier at No. 2 isn’t it?
A: Sure. Listen, we’ll know when we know. I’m not making any decisions before that.
and this piece from the opening statement
Things can be fluid right up until the point they are not. I am sure that there are things in place..
The board is in place.,, possibly adjusting some final things.. but I suspect its mostly in place..
They have probably run a few mock draft scenarios.. what happens if Cleveland takes this guy.. or this guy is gone.. or someone trades up to get a guy..
They most likely have several " offers "
(ie the basic parameters are set) from teams to trade down in place obviously based on who is available. And the phone numbers of every GM at the ready..
They are making sure that they have every number of every agent of every player they are interested in ready to make a phone call.
Things like that..
Paging Mr. Barkley!
I know gidiefor started a thread on who the Browns will take #1 but my real curiosity is who the Jets will take at #3 and whether DG knows who they will pick.
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Absolutely not
Fuck me you're stupid. A professional NFL franchise 4 days out has no idea what to do? Go watch Jai-Alai or something less mentally taxing, football isn't for you.
No, you're stupid. I was just joking. Of course they know. They will likely refine things throughout the week. Watch who you are calling stupid.
I know gidiefor started a thread on who the Browns will take #1 but my real curiosity is who the Jets will take at #3 and whether DG knows who they will pick.
I think the Jets want Rosen or if he's not there Mayfield.
I think the first 3 picks are:
CLE - Darnold
NYG - Rosen
NYJ - Mayfield
Oh...I forgot Reese was fired.
never mind...
In fact, might as just come out and only mention one name for like a month. Who the hell would rely on that for anything?
Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.
Maybe your right as I don’t follow the beats really that much, but I thought it was much more all over board. I also was thinking it was Barkley versus all the QBs because the beats don’t have a clue as to QB ranking order yet so Barkley gets more specific airtime.
Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.
They pick 2nd. If Cleveland takes their guy at 1 (Darnold) then what’s it matter?
This is exactly the opposite of my opinion. I would pick a QB and I would stay.
Its kind of amazing how little consensus there is actually is on BBI and we sit at #2. Imagine if we were 5th...
actually that would be my plan as well.
I am with TD for the next few days...
The first round selection has already been made.
And maybe, they all like the same QB but would love to sell that pick, Erick Flowers and Eli and get this show going on the next Super Bowl team.
Or maybe you're right...
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The beats have been saying the same thing from the beginning. They are hearing they love Barkley and are also high in Chubb. The people saying QB are basically going by what they believe should be done with a pick that high, but pretty much everything coming out of team points to Barkley or Chubb. If they go that route, this was no more concealed than any of Reece’s picks. Maybe even more so if you consider Accorsi comments.
Personally I think they are high on a QB and have kept that locked up. But if the target is Barkley or Chubb, they have done a horrible job hiding the fact.
They pick 2nd. If Cleveland takes their guy at 1 (Darnold) then what’s it matter?
They know how every player stacks up with a corresponding value to the team. They know who their potential trade partners are and frameworks for potential trades on draft day. The only thing they don't know (probably) is who is the one guy that will not be available to them.
And despite all the talk about trades and such, they are probably going to use the #2 pick on a player they fully expect to help define the direction of the franchise for the next 5-10 years.
Maybe your right as I don’t follow the beats really that much, but I thought it was much more all over board. I also was thinking it was Barkley versus all the QBs because the beats don’t have a clue as to QB ranking order yet so Barkley gets more specific airtime.
Does anybody in the organization have veto power ( Mara and/or Tisch )? Is it a consensus pick? They only know. What is their vision for 2018? Do they believe they can contend with a pick like Barkley at 2 or pick for the possible future franchise QB and signal that the team is in full rebuild mode?
Trading down would seem to me the most complicated path but maybe the most realistic way to build this team into a perennial powerhouse.
I have and always do read this site daily, no where have I seen written that NYG lets everyone know their preferences.
The team will get who they want IMO