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NFT: HBO's: Westworld Season 2 Ep 1 (spoilers welcome)

Tony in Tampa : 4/23/2018 7:06 am
What did everyone think?

I thought it was a good start. Seemed to bring us up to date from the massacre at the end of S1 E10. The Nolan's sure do love to play with dual time lines. Bernard 2 weeks after the massacre and flashbacks to a few hrs/days after.
What we learned is the Charlotte  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/23/2018 8:51 am : link
had everything to do with the "glitches" in the very beginning of the series.

She was delivering Maeve by train, but do to Ford's new narrative, Maeve decided she would rather go find her Daughter.

I am trying to figure out what the end game will be for this season. Last season it was getting to the revolution. The revolution is here, so now what?
RE: What we learned is the Charlotte  
Rory : 4/23/2018 9:02 am : link
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had everything to do with the "glitches" in the very beginning of the series.

She was delivering Maeve by train, but do to Ford's new narrative, Maeve decided she would rather go find her Daughter.

I am trying to figure out what the end game will be for this season. Last season it was getting to the revolution. The revolution is here, so now what?


I thought it was Dolores "father" Peter Abernathy they were trying to locate/deliver

End game is survival, and I think this season will focus more on Edward (man in black)

Interested to see which side Bernard lands

Also who killed all those hosts (was that Teddy in the water?) at the end? It wasn't clear to me and my audio through the chromecast sucked so I couldn't hear out what Bernard was saying
RE: RE: What we learned is the Charlotte  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/23/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13925823 Rory said:
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had everything to do with the "glitches" in the very beginning of the series.

She was delivering Maeve by train, but do to Ford's new narrative, Maeve decided she would rather go find her Daughter.

I am trying to figure out what the end game will be for this season. Last season it was getting to the revolution. The revolution is here, so now what?



I thought it was Dolores "father" Peter Abernathy they were trying to locate/deliver

End game is survival, and I think this season will focus more on Edward (man in black)

Interested to see which side Bernard lands

Also who killed all those hosts (was that Teddy in the water?) at the end? It wasn't clear to me and my audio through the chromecast sucked so I couldn't hear out what Bernard was saying


What makes you think its Peter? Just curious?

Also, Dolores is completely different character now. It will be interesting to see how that turns out.

Maybe the new intro is giving hints, that the next step in the robots evolution will be reproduction.
Charlotte said it was Peter...  
Chris in Philly : 4/23/2018 9:21 am : link
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Also curious  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/23/2018 9:40 am : link
How Bernard was able to access that hidden escape, if it was scanning for DNA, to make sure he wasn't a host.

Maybe Ford, was putting DNA into the newest Hosts?
Part of me wonders  
Rory : 4/23/2018 9:48 am : link
since Bernard was a real person once if that Ford somehow made him part host/part human (Arnold)? would explain why he still seems to be so much more advanced and conflicted emotions as a host.

Part host (Bernard) part human (Arnold)
yeah, I wondered about that DNA scan too  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2018 9:55 am : link
Where did Charlotte get those nifty cowboy boots, anyway? Also, how much of what's going on is from the hosts becoming more human, and how much of it is still Ford's programming? If you go back to the season 1 finale, when Maeve finds out that she's an android, if you look closely at the tablet you can see that her reactions are still scripted for her. How deep does that go?

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RE: Charlotte said it was Peter...  
Pete in 'Vliet : 4/23/2018 10:41 am : link
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Yes. The season 1 finale, shows Charlotte instructing Lee Sizemore to get the Peter Abernthy, out of the park, since she implanted the parks data into him.

This seemed to be a continuation of her and Theresa's plan to keep Ford from erasing everything when he was fired. Earlier in the season it was shown that Theresa had a "Stray" host transmitting the data from inside the park. This didn't seem to have anything to do with the glitches.

However, when Lee went to pick up Abernathy, he was gone, with all the other decommissioned hosts. That is why Bernard was helping Charlotte locate Abernathy using the "host network mesh?" or something.
Season 2, Episode 1  
BlackLight : 4/23/2018 10:42 am : link
was almost 64% comprehensible. A new series record!
Is there an additional timeline in this season?  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/23/2018 11:38 am : link
There's the timeline where Bernard is with the Delos agent.

The timeline where Bernard was picked up off the beach and is with 3rd Hemsworth

The Delores/Teddy timeline?

From the looks of it, Delos agent and Teddy aren't going to be having a good time of it.
Watch this video...  
jamison884 : 4/23/2018 12:46 pm : link
This dude does the best sci-fi/nerdy YT videos out there. He does a review of every episode of series like Westworld and Game of Thrones, and the Marvel movies. Plus bonus videos for anything controversial, unusual, or confusing.
Emergency Awesome - ( New Window )
The timelines seem straightforward enough  
Pete in 'Vliet : 4/23/2018 12:51 pm : link
1: Delores and Arnold talks - This one could be twist, in that we find out its actually Delores interigating Bernards later, but since she is in that blue dress we can assume for now it just like in season 1 - before the park opens.

2: Imediately after the Gala Massacre. Bernard and Charlotte escape to the hidden access point. MIB also escapes the town and begins his new story. Maeve finds Lee Sizemore and Hector and they set out looking for Maeve's daughter.

3: 2 weeks after the massacre, Bernard is found. The hosts are found dead in a new sea - Bernard claims he did it.



One thing has me curious about this timeline. All of the dead hosts spread out around the park look alot like the visions Delores, Maeve and Teddy had back in season 2. I believe we even see that wolf again when MIB is waking up from under the bodies.

Delores says something along the lines of I see see the past clearly and the future too, and seems to know how everything will play out. Bernard also seems to have trouble firguring out "when" he is. (though this is probably due to the damage in his head circuits)

Could they be ready to throw a Matrix situation at us, where this is still part of a bigger loop that has all happened before?
Im not a watcher but  
UESBLUE : 4/23/2018 1:07 pm : link
my gf and my mom who both like sci fi thought it was too violent and not cerebral enough as last yr.
RE: Im not a watcher but  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/23/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13926468 UESBLUE said:
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my gf and my mom who both like sci fi thought it was too violent and not cerebral enough as last yr.


It's a slow burn. The story will get there. I felt like it had barely been an hour last night it moved so fast.
RE: RE: Im not a watcher but  
Tony in Tampa : 4/23/2018 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13926495 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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my gf and my mom who both like sci fi thought it was too violent and not cerebral enough as last yr.



It's a slow burn. The story will get there. I felt like it had barely been an hour last night it moved so fast.


It’s been pretty much predicted that this season will not be like last season. Last season had more of a (Ricardo Montoblan) “Fantasy Island” feel to it with guests arriving to live out experiences that they would never be able to have in their actual lives. This was at the expense of the hosts. This season is about payback from the hosts for decades of abuse. This is likely a war between the hosts and Delos. There will not be any more guests arriving by train or people playing cowboy or sheriff and chasing bad guys-just at least initially-more death and suffering and yes a lot more violence.


Deloris  
Tony in Tampa : 4/23/2018 2:47 pm : link
Deloris's words to Teddy that they will have to “take their world away” referring to the host taking the world of the humans, seems ambitious. Particular when she cannot really know what she’s up against, how outnumbered the hosts are and that her numbers are no longer being “fixed and sent back up top” by the boys in Live Stock Management. I guess we’ll see what it is that she means when she says she knows everything.
Also, how is it that hosts armed with 19th century revolvers  
Greg from LI : 4/23/2018 3:05 pm : link
fought off the Delos response teams armed with fully automatic weapons?
RE: Also, how is it that hosts armed with 19th century revolvers  
Giants in 07 : 4/23/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13926700 Greg from LI said:
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fought off the Delos response teams armed with fully automatic weapons?


Greg, are you talking about Artimis and Hector, the two people that helped Maeve escape in Season 1?

If so, Maeve turned their mortality and pain meter all the way down, which is how Hector had all those bullet holes in him.

If not then I don't remember the scene you are referring to
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