To give the coaching staff enough "information" about himself to sway their #2 pick decision even a little bit? Personally I'd love to see him shine in these 3 limited practices leading up to the Draft on Thursday. Hopefully it's well attended to field a few decent sessions... WR's, TE's, O & D Lines. (O-line blocking & D Pressure & COVERAGE... throwing under the proverbial "gun")
I assume, this mini camp has no pads but they can run O vs. D plays yeah? Not just "walk-thru's" but actual plays at some speed?
I'm thinkin' we're pretty fortunate to be able to have this camp right B4 the draft... Certainly better than NOT being able to have it!!
Come on Webb... Please Surprise!
Remember for all of our QB's this is Day One of a new offense.
I hope Darnold is there, because then the Giants can have their pick of Darnold or Rosen. But I'd love to see the Browns go Darnold so the Giants had to pick Rosen, but it would make me super fearful that they would ruin the future of the franchise by going Barkley. At this point, I have to trust that the front office and coach are not stupid enough to bypass a QB like Rosen at the top of this draft.
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but if he's gone, or they skip over him, it doesn't lock Webb in for the future either. Many things he still has to demonstrate before then, and it's more likely we'll be looking for a QB again in the next few drafts.
I hope Darnold is there, because then the Giants can have their pick of Darnold or Rosen. But I'd love to see the Browns go Darnold so the Giants had to pick Rosen, but it would make me super fearful that they would ruin the future of the franchise by going Barkley. At this point, I have to trust that the front office and coach are not stupid enough to bypass a QB like Rosen at the top of this draft.
Yes, the front office and coach might be stupid enough to go Barkley, because you know helluva lot more than they do about our future moving forward
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but if he's gone, or they skip over him, it doesn't lock Webb in for the future either. Many things he still has to demonstrate before then, and it's more likely we'll be looking for a QB again in the next few drafts.
I hope Darnold is there, because then the Giants can have their pick of Darnold or Rosen. But I'd love to see the Browns go Darnold so the Giants had to pick Rosen, but it would make me super fearful that they would ruin the future of the franchise by going Barkley. At this point, I have to trust that the front office and coach are not stupid enough to bypass a QB like Rosen at the top of this draft.
Ruin the future of the franchise by drafting a guy that is probably at the top of more NFL draft boards than any other player? Hopefully the entire league will wise up soon and come to understand the game as well as you before Thursday!
For example,
1. Review college tape, etc with a new fresh set of eyes.
2. Review any tape they may have from last year, interview the hold-over coaches, and perhaps even Eli.
3. Not sure if they have or can get tape, write-ups from his personal QB coach.
4. Use these mini-camps as an extended "pro-day" for Webb.
Now this may or may not be able to sway the Giants one way or another, I did not get a real clear indication from DG in his press conference. He initially said no, but then followed up with a maybe type answer.
My guess is the Giants have their board pretty figured out. If they have a QB slotted at #2 who is available, then the go with him. If that QB is taken by the Browns, I believe that is where Webb will enter the conversation.
Mind you, I am more in the Barkley 60%/Chubb 30%/Trade-down 10% camp.
Agreed. I wouldn't pick Darnold, but I'd be very surprised if the Giants don't, unless they are offered an enormous amount to trade down. Darnold is s defensible pick, but I'd rather pass on all the QBs. That has nothing to do with Webb.
But if the Giants do draft a a QB at #2, or within the top 10 after a trade down, they should trade Webb. It isn't fair to him to be the #3 QB until he can leave via FA. He has done everything the team could ask and more. He deserves a chance to practice his profession.
Hmm interesting - the best QB option in the draft passed over for a DE or RB..
Scary thing is I believe you because of your cred. I know Sy believes Chubb is very much alive at #2 and Barkley is an option.
In my unimportant view Rosen is the best choice but I wouldn't be upset by Barkley or Chubb although I like Chubb the least.
The QBs, while very good prospects, do not appear to be held above the non-QBs, with the possible exception of Darnold.
The QBs, while very good prospects, do not appear to be held above the non-QBs, with the possible exception of Darnold.
In that case, a trade down is a good idea, especially if the Browns deal is there swapping #2 and #4. Chubb will be there at 4 after Barkley and 2 QBs are taken at 1,2 and 3.
I think Cleveland goes Barkley #1...
Yeah, I thought of that, too. I still doubt Chubb would be taken before #4, so it really isn't that cute or dangerous.
Cleveland takes Barkley and a QB (if they go QB 1st then don't trade because they could be after Chubb, too.)
#3 Jets take QB without a doubt.
Nobody else is trading ahead for Chubb.
Any who - Barkley, Chubb, Rosen, Darnold - I'm pretty happy.
If Darnold is gone, and the Giants want Chubb instead of Barkley, they should at least explore the option of trading down with Cleveland. I suppose the Browns could draft Chubb instead of Barkley at #2, but that seems very unlikely, especially since they'd have to at least surrender #33 and #35 to move from #4 to #2.
You have to take the QB #1, unless you're happy with any of the "big 4."
So, you're correcting "cab" but leaving "enuf"? Interesting choice.
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I think they want to pick Barkley #1 and get the QB at #4, but it's a gamble.
You have to take the QB #1, unless you're happy with any of the "big 4."
Well, the Giants could ensure which QB, by agreeing to the trade, making the selection at #2, then completing the trade, that way Dorsey can't lie about the pick and take Chubb. But that my friends would be under the definition of "too cute."
The QBs, while very good prospects, do not appear to be held above the non-QBs, with the possible exception of Darnold.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday and the host was explaining how draft boards are positionally ranked for value. It started with these three:
1) QB - obviously the most important piece of a team. Can make a franchise great for a decade.
2) LT - protects the blind side of the most important member of your team. In most cases since majority of QBs are right handed.
3) RDE - Goes up against the guy that protects the most important piece of the opposing team.
Hearing that yesterday lends credence to your belief that Chubb could be taken before Barkley.
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I think they want to pick Barkley #1 and get the QB at #4, but it's a gamble.
You have to take the QB #1, unless you're happy with any of the "big 4."
I don't disagree, but heard the debate has been ongoing for some time.
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but if he's gone, or they skip over him, it doesn't lock Webb in for the future either. Many things he still has to demonstrate before then, and it's more likely we'll be looking for a QB again in the next few drafts.
I hope Darnold is there, because then the Giants can have their pick of Darnold or Rosen. But I'd love to see the Browns go Darnold so the Giants had to pick Rosen, but it would make me super fearful that they would ruin the future of the franchise by going Barkley. At this point, I have to trust that the front office and coach are not stupid enough to bypass a QB like Rosen at the top of this draft.
Yes, the front office and coach might be stupid enough to go Barkley, because you know helluva lot more than they do about our future moving forward
It's the same old argument made by many BBIers...The front office/coach/player knows more than you (poster) do...so end of discussion!
But here's the thing...
Cleveland and the Jets are no doubt picking QBs at 1 and 3...and if the Giants end up trading their pick to Buffalo then QBs will go 1, 2, 3.
Is DG smarter than all three of those other GMs for passing on a QB or is it possible that he just might be making a stupid move (as the other poster suggested) if he decides not to go QB at 2?
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I think they want to pick Barkley #1 and get the QB at #4, but it's a gamble.
You have to take the QB #1, unless you're happy with any of the "big 4."
Well, the Giants could ensure which QB, by agreeing to the trade, making the selection at #2, then completing the trade, that way Dorsey can't lie about the pick and take Chubb. But that my friends would be under the definition of "too cute."
this is exactly how it would happen.
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but if he's gone, or they skip over him, it doesn't lock Webb in for the future either. Many things he still has to demonstrate before then, and it's more likely we'll be looking for a QB again in the next few drafts.
I hope Darnold is there, because then the Giants can have their pick of Darnold or Rosen. But I'd love to see the Browns go Darnold so the Giants had to pick Rosen, but it would make me super fearful that they would ruin the future of the franchise by going Barkley. At this point, I have to trust that the front office and coach are not stupid enough to bypass a QB like Rosen at the top of this draft.
Yes, the front office and coach might be stupid enough to go Barkley, because you know helluva lot more than they do about our future moving forward
If they pick a RB at #2 then yes, yes I do. I've said this multiple times, so I won't repeat myself in full, but there is a reason why 1 RB has gone in the top 3 picks in the past 10 drafts, and it's not just because of the RBs available. For what it's worth, that RB was Trent Richardson - also a unanimous best RB available RB in that draft - and he ended up being a colossal bust. So just file that away when you think about whether it is worth it to pick Barkley at #2.
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Ugh!!
So, you're correcting "cab" but leaving "enuf"? Interesting choice.
and "tomoro"
P.S. - Ignore me keep posting like this I love it.
Giants do this just to silence the silly Webb talk... AND, oddly, that ends up starting new talk about yet another 3rd round pick being the next franchise QB of the Giants.
They then offer NYG #33 and a 3rd (not long play...~).
Do we still like to move from 2 to 4 if we know we get Barkley or Chubb (I would assume at that point that the Giants would need to know who CLE is taking at #2)?
Could be the Giants get the guy they want and the 1st 2 picks on day 2 plus the 1st 2 in the 3rd.
(maybe they add a 2nd or 3rd next year as I'm sure that the "points" don't add up...but neither does the #33 & #35 points.
If he checks all the boxes, which I expect that he will, he keeps his chances of someday playing in the NFL (Giants or another team).
If he fails, he pretty much knocks himself out of contention for anything other than a clipboard, and even that might be questionable.
What nobody knows about him is how will he do under real fire, real reads, real progressions, etc. That's the main issue with him up to now and that issue will remain unchanged. Of course the same could be said of all the QB candidates.
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but if he's gone, or they skip over him, it doesn't lock Webb in for the future either. Many things he still has to demonstrate before then, and it's more likely we'll be looking for a QB again in the next few drafts.
I hope Darnold is there, because then the Giants can have their pick of Darnold or Rosen. But I'd love to see the Browns go Darnold so the Giants had to pick Rosen, but it would make me super fearful that they would ruin the future of the franchise by going Barkley. At this point, I have to trust that the front office and coach are not stupid enough to bypass a QB like Rosen at the top of this draft.
Ruin the future of the franchise by drafting a guy that is probably at the top of more NFL draft boards than any other player? Hopefully the entire league will wise up soon and come to understand the game as well as you before Thursday!
Barkley is not at the top of most draft boards. If the Giants don't pick him he will drop 6 or 7 spots.
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but if he's gone, or they skip over him, it doesn't lock Webb in for the future either. Many things he still has to demonstrate before then, and it's more likely we'll be looking for a QB again in the next few drafts.
I hope Darnold is there, because then the Giants can have their pick of Darnold or Rosen. But I'd love to see the Browns go Darnold so the Giants had to pick Rosen, but it would make me super fearful that they would ruin the future of the franchise by going Barkley. At this point, I have to trust that the front office and coach are not stupid enough to bypass a QB like Rosen at the top of this draft.
Ruin the future of the franchise by drafting a guy that is probably at the top of more NFL draft boards than any other player? Hopefully the entire league will wise up soon and come to understand the game as well as you before Thursday!
Barkley is not at the top of most draft boards. If the Giants don't pick him he will drop 6 or 7 spots.
How do you know that?