This is not meant to knock either. But Sy loves him and Dave Te' does not. Dave Te' is very concerned about needing a 10 year supply of duct tape for Rosen and that he is not a great locker room guy.
See the linked podcast on QB's that Dave Te' did a few weeks ago. The Rosen commentary starts around 8:35 into the podcast. He thinks Josh Allen is the cream of the crop.
Dave Te' podcast - (
New Window )
It's a valid concern despite the Rosen fanboys desire to gloss over it.
There will always be a difference of opinion.
It's a valid concern despite the Rosen fanboys desire to gloss over it.
Definitely. Durability is the major knock on Rosen. The personality stuff is by the by, some of it seems overblown and Aaron Rodgers is hardly a dynamic well liked personality, but you can't get around the durability.
Although, and it's no mitigation for Rosen, Mayfield and Allen have had more serious injuries than Rosen. Allen has actually missed more games: 14 games over two seasons (11 in 2015 with the broken collarbone which is now plated and 3 in 2017 with the shoulder injury)
And while Mayfield hasn't missed as many games recently, he's had the knee injury (if I remember it was a PCL?) and at least two concussions.
Durability is a knock on everyone except Darnold.
Eli can teach him the "fall down when the sack is imminent" technique. It's the QB equivalent of the RB running out of bounds.
People downplay the locker room, media savvy aspect. But the QB of the NYG's is subject to pressures that most QB's are not.
Besides if you listen to some posters, Eli should be cut if the Giants draft a QB.
Fact is that there are a bunch of guys bunched together, and that choices will be made on the fit for a specific team.
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on Rosen: 'the question is about durability. Rosen's been hurt in college. He has an inability to protect himself in the pocket. He's a tough kid, but he gets hurt a lot. I don't know if he can survive in the NFL pocket for prolonged periods of time.”
Eli can teach him the "fall down when the sack is imminent" technique. It's the QB equivalent of the RB running out of bounds.
And why Eli has survived physically all these years and why some RBs are able to minimize cumilative hits by Judiciously running out of bounds when it makes zero sense to stay in and absorb unnecessary punishment
It's a valid concern despite the Rosen fanboys desire to gloss over it.
What I find interesting about that, is that Phil Simms was a tough guy, but he got hurt a lot too. he ended up being a fan favorite.
Nothing wrong with the occasional knucklehead move. Pictures of a dopey, drunk Eli in college are precious. The key is not doing those things once you are given the keys to the franchise. And even then it is only going to be a temporary speed bump (see Big Ben) if you are really good.
You think being anti-Trump will hurt him in New York???
So for Dave Te, Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper-- I say "nuts." They see him in the context of how they want an offense to run and not as scared of his shortcomings vs others.
I'm with Sy, Cosell and Ourlads with this.
Umm....No. It means nothing.
Gotta take some chances if you don’t want to wind up in QB hell. Even more, a great QB - even if occasionally missing time - can win you rings. Way more valuable than a durable stud at any other position.
I’m all for Rosen and think the Giants are prepared to draft him or Darnold.
I keep going back and forth about whether they prefer Darnold or Rosen.
Umm, he's probably gained a ton of fans as a result of it back home in NY. Count me as one.
I keep going back and forth about whether they prefer Darnold or Rosen.
On the surface, Darnold seems to have more questions to answer regarding things he needs to get better at.
Im not sure i agree. This is NY. If someone says "no one is untouchable" or any other small bread crumb it is pandemonium for 2 months. This is a shut up and play town imo.
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on Rosen: 'the question is about durability. Rosen's been hurt in college. He has an inability to protect himself in the pocket. He's a tough kid, but he gets hurt a lot. I don't know if he can survive in the NFL pocket for prolonged periods of time.”
Eli can teach him the "fall down when the sack is imminent" technique. It's the QB equivalent of the RB running out of bounds.
I think the issue with Rosen is instincts. I don’t think he senses the rush in many cases and ends up taking shots. That’s a big problem in the NFL, especially with offensive line quality deteriorating league wide.
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I think the issue with Rosen is instincts. I don’t think he senses the rush in many cases and ends up taking shots. That’s a big problem in the NFL, especially with offensive line quality deteriorating league wide.
He sees the rush fine, but he takes the hit in order to deliver the ball...
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A personnel executive for an AFC team who has scouted Rosen extensively: "He's really a special passer. He makes all the throws from the pocket. He makes you go 'wow' at least two to three times a game. He has pinpoint accuracy and can adapt to any system you want. And he'll stand in there and throw it and take a shot right under the chin if he has to -- that's hard to find. Of all these quarterbacks coming out, he's the most ready. You don't really have to do anything except teach him the system."
Being tough can be great at times, but I’ll take one less big play to have a QB that stays healthy. Look at Wentz, it was just a matter of time before he was going to miss time, running into defenders instead of sliding, etc. I bet he’s a little more careful going forward.
Plus the NFL is close to tag football when it comes top QB's, don't see how people don't seem to understand this. If he were a guy that runs and moves out of the pocket, that would make it different, he will be fine up here and will be our pick at 2. Plus Gettleman will get him the hogs he needs.
ROSEN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont want him based on his injuries. Tough is great until you get hurt, then you have to play smarter to be good and not get hurt.
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I would like to know a scout/analyst's position on Trump. I think they should disclose for transparency. If you love Trump, it would be really hard to say anything positive about Rosen. On this topic, it would be difficult to be impartial for someone with strong political positions.
The scary thing is that could be true of Gettleman. In the Q&A with him following his hire, he named Benjamin Netanyahu as one of his heroes (or something like that).
Why? 75% or the people living in the tri state area completely despise trump. Rosen will fit right in here.
Maybe he meant Matisyahu
Here he is on Kimmel (he has a funny comeback to Scott Baio) - ( New Window )
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to that, and I think the duct tape stuff sounded a little ridiculous, it’s as if Rosen had said super offensive things. It’s just a complete overreaction. You want to have concerns about durability, that’s understandable. The rest is nonsense.
Im not sure i agree. This is NY. If someone says "no one is untouchable" or any other small bread crumb it is pandemonium for 2 months. This is a shut up and play town imo.
Where was the pandemonium? The media and Giants fans? How many games did it cost the Giants?
I dont want him based on his injuries. Tough is great until you get hurt, then you have to play smarter to be good and not get hurt.
You mean teh coach that bitched about being questioned by Rosen? He felt it important to bring it up that "you'll be questioned" on everything?