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Go on record - confidence in Gettleman?

Sean : 4/23/2018 10:49 am
Do you trust the current front office in their conviction/execution in this rare #2 pick in franchise history?

A lot of people are pessimistic/annoyed in ownership over the last 5 seasons (deservedly so), I’d argue there is no pamphlet in transitioning a GM/HC/QB who have all contributed to 2 SB’s in the last decade. Most teams do not have this issue, and all teams minus NE do not operate in the ruthless manner which NE operates.

Mara/Tisch hired Gettleman and stuck to the “Giant way” of doing things whether right or wrong.

So with 3 days to go, will you trust the pick whether it be QB, Barkley, Chubb or trade down?
No idea or choice at this point.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/23/2018 10:52 am : link
He says the right things. We shall stay tuned
I would  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 10:53 am : link
imagine that who Gettleman picks at 2 is going to either gain him support or cause a lot of naysayers. Most likely it will do both!
I posted in another thread  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 4/23/2018 10:53 am : link
I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft.
...why not?  
Doug in MA : 4/23/2018 10:53 am : link
At least he's been through the process as a GM before.
I'll be excited for any pick  
adamg : 4/23/2018 10:54 am : link
I think being a fan entails consistently offering rope to ownership.
I think if he’s “all in” on a 37 year old declining Eli  
The_Boss : 4/23/2018 10:56 am : link
He’s making an error. It only kicks the can down the road. Next year’s QB crop frankly sucks.

bucket brigade  
Simms : 4/23/2018 10:56 am : link
He came on board a ship with many issues. Have to give him a shot.

We are a step behind many teams, and finished with the second pick overall for a reason.

Sometimes you have to be bold.
Yes  
idiotsavant : 4/23/2018 10:56 am : link
Just say 'yes' or 'no' all yuz hedging fuchers.
I'm a fan of DG,  
Diver_Down : 4/23/2018 10:56 am : link
and was happy that he was the GM selection. His philosophy on team building aligns with what I believe. I was never a fan of Reese and his "basketball on grass".

Whatever direction he decides is fine by me. While I have preferences in draft selections, I trust that the selections made will align with the basic team building philosophy.
total confidence  
Tom from LI : 4/23/2018 10:57 am : link
in what ever he does..
Except for the wayback hot tub time machine  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/23/2018 10:57 am : link
FA signing of Stewart, love all the moves and talk coming out of our organization now.

Never felt that way with Reese and his Al Davis style team building.
I'm confident  
pjcas18 : 4/23/2018 10:58 am : link
Gettleman knows more than any of us on here at BBI and probably more than the talking heads on ESPN and NFL Network.

but so did Reese.

Draft is a crapshoot to an extent.

I won't say it's exactly a 50/50 toss up whether a player pans out, but there is a decent chance the pick at #2 fails to live up to expectations for a variety of reasons, fans need to accept that.
Confident in Gettleman  
Go Terps : 4/23/2018 10:59 am : link
Much less so in ownership and Shurmur.
All of these go on record threads  
Bockman : 4/23/2018 11:00 am : link
are weird.
RE: I posted in another thread  
Mike in NY : 4/23/2018 11:00 am : link
In comment 13926097 Bold Ruler said:
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I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft.


I feel the same way. Didn't like the selection initially because I thought he was just a yes man for the Maras. His moves since he was hired do show that he is not concerned about keeping players just to make the Maras not look like idiots for approving contract/draft selection
Yes.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2018 11:00 am : link
Like everything I've seen and heard so far.
Feeling pretty good heading into Thursday.  
Beezer : 4/23/2018 11:01 am : link
Yeah ... high level of confidence in Gettleman.

Hard to say if the confidence is bolstered by my optimism.
will depends on what he does in the first round  
jintz4life : 4/23/2018 11:01 am : link
everyone can talk a big game but the draft is where you should be judged
Sure...  
AnnapolisMike : 4/23/2018 11:02 am : link
And we all had it in Reese at once point as well. He was with the organization and played a big part in two Super Bowl rosters.



Yes  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2018 11:02 am : link
I like the way he’s approached this offseason. But what choice do we have anyway? Can those that don’t like or trust DG get him fired in time before he makes a mistake on Thursday?
I'm on board!  
SLIM_ : 4/23/2018 11:04 am : link
I felt that the selection was pretty much a no-brainer as he had ties here and was very successful when he was here. Proved that he can handle the job and was only let go because the owner favored some of the veteran players. Thought we were lucky to get him.

Since then, I'm even more impressed.
I firmly believe DG knows what it takes to win and how to win  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 4/23/2018 11:04 am : link
in the NFL especially in the NorthEast which is why, unless something really strange happens, I believe Barkley is our pick.

I also believe, based on that, DG has a plan and is exercising that plan and he has been slowly weeding out the guys who don't want to be a Giant and, as he says, guys who hate to lose.

I think, rather than the first round, I am interested in what he does in rounds 2 and onward. I also believe he is making a concerted effort to get rid of Flowers. If someone offers us a bag of footballs and a pick within the next two years, I say take it and run. The faster he is gone, the better.
The clouds have parted for me...  
bw in dc : 4/23/2018 11:04 am : link
and I am now convinced Gettleman has been hired to for one purpose - to do whatever it takes to get Eli another shot at the brass. And these are direct orders from Mara to assuage John's guilt from the disaster he created last year with GenoGate.

So they will draft Barkley, at the expense of the future, to give Eli another toy. Accorsi, Gettlemen (because of Accorsi) and Mara stupidly believe Eli has gas left in his tank.

They have rebuilt the oline with the addition of Solder and Omameh and are hopeful OBJ will come back at least 90% of his former production. And they will try to add more pieces for Eli and the D in the second wave of free agency after the draft.

But to answer your question, I am agnostic on Gettleman. It's not entirely his show and he's being compelled to follow the blueprint laid out by Mara and Accorsi...
The days of me saying "In X I trust" are over  
aimrocky : 4/23/2018 11:05 am : link
I'll be confident in Gettleman if he drafts Rosen or Darnold. Otherwise, the draft will be be added to a long list of disappointments over the past several years.
Who the hell knows.  
Keith : 4/23/2018 11:06 am : link
At this point, he talks the talk. He should bring some stability that was lost with the last regime, but time will tell.

I will lose all confidence if he drafts a RB at 2 however.
Yes.  
Brown Recluse : 4/23/2018 11:09 am : link
Its been refreshing. He's great with the media and has been pretty consistent since day 1.

That said, there's been no draft yet and no wins or losses under his tenure.

Pretty much anything that feels new and different after Jerry Reese was going to feel good and make fans feel more confident. We're still in the honeymoon phase though.
5 out of 10 Gettleman  
MojoEd : 4/23/2018 11:10 am : link
2 out of 10 for Ownership. I can’t think of a single recent action that would give me confidence in them.
I agree with bw  
Go Terps : 4/23/2018 11:11 am : link
I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well.
RE: will depends on what he does in the first round  
V.I.G. : 4/23/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13926142 jintz4life said:
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everyone can talk a big game but the draft is where you should be judged


EXACTLY - no doubts as a pro personnel guy. Show me a draft.

I'm happy if he:
i) takes a QB or
ii) believes the QBs are risky, ransoms for a trade down.

If he takes Barkley at 2, he should be fired.
RE: I agree with bw  
Sean : 4/23/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13926180 Go Terps said:
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I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well.


An over correction move? I remember you being critical for the lack of sensitivity in the Eli benching last year for not being in the building. It’s hard for me to imagine this given Mara signed off on the original plan last November.
I have confidence in Gettleman  
Chris684 : 4/23/2018 11:17 am : link
I think he has been the highlight of all of the recent change within the organization.

I am also confident in Shurmur's ability to coach/groom QBs, less confident in his overall abilities to be HC.

I have little confidence that both/either are able to operate independent of Mara's wishes.
I'm going to trust that the Giant brass  
Section331 : 4/23/2018 11:19 am : link
knows a hell of a lot more than I do, so I'll be fine with whomever they choose. I'll trust their judgement unless it becomes clear that the player wasn't worth his draft slot.
RE: RE: I agree with bw  
Go Terps : 4/23/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13926193 Sean said:
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In comment 13926180 Go Terps said:


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I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well.



An over correction move? I remember you being critical for the lack of sensitivity in the Eli benching last year for not being in the building. It’s hard for me to imagine this given Mara signed off on the original plan last November.


I think it's very possibly an overcorrection, yes.
I feel like those that are scapegoating the Gettleman hire....  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2018 11:21 am : link
as a publicity move by Mara are just making up excuses, hedging bets, in case the draft doesn't go the way they want it to.

So if Gettleman drafts a QB, is it still a Mara/Eli publicity move?
RE: I posted in another thread  
Essex : 4/23/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13926097 Bold Ruler said:
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I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft.

My view is that I respected DG as a football person but thought the Giants were too limited in their search. My feeling know is that Gettleman has some of Ernie's worst traits about clichés "You can get too cute," or "Your looking for a hall of famer." In other words, he likes the sound of his own voice (as did Ernie). How he will perform in his job is anybody's guess. Ernie was a walking box of clichés but he did his job very well. My point is I ignore all the bs talk, the people who need to have the "first" or "Hot" takes and grade them on what they do after giving them enough time to succeed.
RE: I feel like those that are scapegoating the Gettleman hire....  
Sean : 4/23/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13926204 Britt in VA said:
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as a publicity move by Mara are just making up excuses, hedging bets, in case the draft doesn't go the way they want it to.

So if Gettleman drafts a QB, is it still a Mara/Eli publicity move?


Totally agree. It’s entirely possible a QB may still be drafted in rounds 2/3 anyway.
i wouldnt say worst traits  
Essex : 4/23/2018 11:24 am : link
I am amending that to "annoying traits"
RE: RE: I agree with bw  
bw in dc : 4/23/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 13926193 Sean said:
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In comment 13926180 Go Terps said:


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I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well.



An over correction move? I remember you being critical for the lack of sensitivity in the Eli benching last year for not being in the building. It’s hard for me to imagine this given Mara signed off on the original plan last November.


Mara did not like the blow back from the fans and media on Eli's handling. It crushed him. Remember, he takes that Giants brand very seriously - classiest organization in the NFL. So a 180 is easily logical - Shurmur is a QB whisperer, Shurmur still likes what he sees in Eli, Accorsi was roped back in (and he drafted Eli), and apparently DG likes what he saw of Eli on review...
Cautious confidence/optimism  
mfsd : 4/23/2018 11:31 am : link
I’ve warmed up to hiring a veteran football guy vs an unknown...but I agree with those who’ve expressed concern we’re going all in to try and be competitive in Eli’s last couple seasons, potentially at the expense of building for the future

My dream isn’t one playoff season, like 2016...it’s to build a perennial contender for a decade, like the Pats, or to a lesser degree the Peyton Colts, Seahawks of recent vintage, Rodgers Packers, or what the Eagles are possibly at the beginning of
Despite..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/23/2018 11:34 am : link
an offseason that featured several moves that dispels the notion, there's still a faction of BBI that thinks Gettleman is a puppet.

Despite him getting fired in Carolina for not being a puppet.

I'm getting to the point where I think you can show some people a red shirt and they will argue it is green.
RE: Who the hell knows.  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13926163 Keith said:
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At this point, he talks the talk. He should bring some stability that was lost with the last regime, but time will tell.

I will lose all confidence if he drafts a RB at 2 however.


I agree with this. I want to be excited about our draft pick and while Barkley is exciting it just seems like it will lead to years of searching for a QB and potentially trading a fortune to get one. I don’t see the value with Barkley. But I respect other people who disagree with me.

My guess is he takes Barkley and I will have to just deal with it but if the Jets end up with a great QB we passed on, I think even the Barkley/Eli enthusiasts will realize how much of a mistake was made.
RE: Despite..  
Sean : 4/23/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13926241 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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an offseason that featured several moves that dispels the notion, there's still a faction of BBI that thinks Gettleman is a puppet.

Despite him getting fired in Carolina for not being a puppet.

I'm getting to the point where I think you can show some people a red shirt and they will argue it is green.


This.
Yes! Yes! Yes Yes! Yes!  
old man : 4/23/2018 11:43 am : link
Said it at least a coup!e time before:
Giants have been a rudderless ship for 5+ years.
Mara and TC often mentioned and were both desirous of 'returning to Giants football's' since 2013; run-strong offense.Run stopping strong defense. Reese delivers a reach in Pugh, an ultra- reach in Flowers, while (intentionally?) missing out on Lewan, Conklin, Stanley and X# of others on OL. That and other poor picks in part cost TC his job.
Mara's complacency in letting Reese apparently not be held accountable for not delivering what Mara wanted, opting instead to sign off on playmakers , reachs, and poor picks requiring a 1 year cap burdening spree on key D positions put the organization in deep poop.
Result: Trusted names in Accorsi slapped Mara into reality on running the team like a business and not a play toy, and set a direction, and DGs availability continues that flow.
We now have the term HOGMOLLIES in our vocabulary because of DG , who pursued one in Howell but settled;-) for Solder. Then Omamaeh. And we at least now have the FO all on the same page.
So: until he fails: YES YES YES !!
RE: RE: I posted in another thread  
Danny80 : 4/23/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 13926211 Essex said:
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In comment 13926097 Bold Ruler said:


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I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft.


My view is that I respected DG as a football person but thought the Giants were too limited in their search. My feeling know is that Gettleman has some of Ernie's worst traits about clichés "You can get too cute," or "Your looking for a hall of famer." In other words, he likes the sound of his own voice (as did Ernie). How he will perform in his job is anybody's guess. Ernie was a walking box of clichés but he did his job very well. My point is I ignore all the bs talk, the people who need to have the "first" or "Hot" takes and grade them on what they do after giving them enough time to succeed.


I agree. I can't stand the "gold jacket" line or the "You can't get too cute" line. Personally, I'll go on record as saying I think John Dorsey will do very well in Cleveland and I would've been happier with him. I don't love how Gettleman did in Carolina, and he's never had to consider drafting a QB; he inherited Cam Newton.

I won't say I'm anti-Gettleman though. I'd say, he wasn't my first choice, but he deserves a chance to prove himself. I'm fairly happy with his work in free agency and the Ogletree trade. I'm even pretty happy with the JPP trade, although I think this SHOULD signal that the Giants are planning mostly for the future. You can't win without pass rushers and it's pretty rare that a pass rusher, even a very good one, takes the NFL totally by storm in his rookie year. Plus, I don't see trading JPP just so you can use the #2 pick to replace him. That's barely addition by subtraction.

RE: Despite..  
bw in dc : 4/23/2018 11:51 am : link
In comment 13926241 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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an offseason that featured several moves that dispels the notion, there's still a faction of BBI that thinks Gettleman is a puppet.

Despite him getting fired in Carolina for not being a puppet.


Gettleman is 67. It's just as reasonable to assume he wanted to stay in the game and was willing to become more malleable with ownership, especially this organization that he loves...
It would just..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/23/2018 11:53 am : link
be nice if posters decided if Mara is a serial meddler or if he lets people do their jobs.

This thread has speculation that DG is being told what to do regarding Eli, yet there was a long-winded post a couple of days ago theorizing that Mara is ordering the drafting of a QB.

And since we will either draft a QB or not, one of the scenarios will happen, yet it will not indicate anything about how involved Mara is.

But I'm sure it will bolster the opinion he meddled anyway.
Nervously Optimistic  
Rick in Dallas : 4/23/2018 11:53 am : link
Most important draft since 2004. Giants have got to hit a home run on multiple picks in this draft.
We have many needs in multiple positions to get back to winning football.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/23/2018 11:54 am : link
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Gettleman is 67. It's just as reasonable to assume he wanted to stay in the game


Awesome! Old guy just wants a job!

That you find the above assumption "reasonable" says a lot.
Depends  
Giants34 : 4/23/2018 11:55 am : link
They really need to stay at 2 and draft a QB, preferably Rosen. If they don't, they need to trade down. If they stay at 2 and draft Barkley, it will qualify as one of the worst draft picks I've ever seen. And that is not hyperbole. You just don't select RBs at #2. At least NO had Brees when they took Bush at #2, and Bush ended up being a virtual non-factor when they won the SB years later.
I’m confident that Gettlemen  
WillVAB : 4/23/2018 11:56 am : link
Will put together a solid team and get this organization back on the right track.

As far as confidence in making a single isolated pick (2), I don’t know. I think we’ll look back at it as a “meh” pick if it’s anything like his first rounders in Carolina. Overall though I’m confident he’ll put together a strong draft class.
I don’t get the  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 11:57 am : link
need for “on the record” or the quitting on Eli posts. Everyone wants the Giants to win. If you are supremely confident in Gettleman it seems weird because he just got here. You can have faith and hope but it’s like grading a draft the day after. Time will tell. He is very charismatic and seems like a confident and smart guy. But if he blows the #2 pick he will probably not be viewed that positively. I don’t envy having to make that choice, it has to be difficult.

Reese was the GM for two super bowl teams. Whether or not you like him or think it wasn’t his doing or whatever, he still has the rings. However, he is no longer viewed favorably.

I hope he becomes the greatest GM ever, but who knows at this point. Opinions change quickly and NY is a tough market.
it was pretty clear to me  
japanhead : 4/23/2018 11:58 am : link
in listening to his presser, if you read between the lines, that he was basically guiding reese when he was here as the pro personnel guy. notice how the giants drafts and FA acquisitions got noticeably worse after he left the organization. i have absolute confidence in him at this point.
The week before the draft  
sharpshooter66 : 4/23/2018 11:59 am : link
and no one has a clue who were picking, no one saw the ogletree trade, no one saw the JPP trade, hes doing fine. Its early though he hasnt even had his first draft
We knew coming in there were several decisions which would shape  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 12:10 pm : link
the franchise.

They were, in no particular order: Selection of new HC, Our first round draft pick this year, the handling of the Odell contract situation, and the transition of Eli.

The soldier signing etc. are nice but these questions here are what will define the organization for the foreseeable future. These are huge opportunities (the #2 pick and HC, at least) but could also be a damaging blow to the org. if they fail on any one of these. Everything else is the standard year to year fare.

Let's see how DG handles these challenges and we can talk.
Loving what  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2018 12:15 pm : link
Gettleman has done so far. Have a ton of confidence in him heading into the draft. He's gonna kill it.
One thing I found  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2018 12:18 pm : link
very interesting was when Gettleman was fired in Carolina, the fans were actually quite mad. Did he inherit some really good players? Yes. But if you include the years that he drafted for them, 2013-2017, they made the playoffs 4 out of those 5 seasons with those teams.
RE: Sure...  
T-Bone : 4/23/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13926143 AnnapolisMike said:
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And we all had it in Reese at once point as well. He was with the organization and played a big part in two Super Bowl rosters.




#Facts
Very confident.  
Simms2McConkey : 4/23/2018 12:32 pm : link
Love what he's done so far.

The only move I didn't really get was the Stewart pick-up. I follow the Panthers and love Stewart, but he had a bad '17 season behind a line that was overall good to very good.

In fairness he did have 2 great games vs. MIN and MIA, so maybe Gettleman thinks he has just a bit left in the tank.

I think that (and other pick-ups) were more to improve the locker-room culture more than anything, though which I think is the team's No. 1 problem (with probably 2 being OL play). Stewart played a big part in the 2015 Panthers' culture -- that team's chemistry was excellent.
confident  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/23/2018 12:33 pm : link
.
Confident  
T-Bone : 4/23/2018 12:40 pm : link
Why not? He hasn't done much of anything yet except make a few signings... cut a few people... and give a few nice quotes to the media and shown himself to be the opposite of Reese when it comes to how he handles the media (which I'm sure everyone loves).

But... as has been said a few times, most felt the same way about Reese when he took over. Sooooo.... big deal?
RE: RE: RE: I agree with bw  
Brown_Hornet : 4/23/2018 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13926224 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13926193 Sean said:


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In comment 13926180 Go Terps said:


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I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well.



An over correction move? I remember you being critical for the lack of sensitivity in the Eli benching last year for not being in the building. It’s hard for me to imagine this given Mara signed off on the original plan last November.



Mara did not like the blow back from the fans and media on Eli's handling. It crushed him. Remember, he takes that Giants brand very seriously - classiest organization in the NFL. So a 180 is easily logical - Shurmur is a QB whisperer, Shurmur still likes what he sees in Eli, Accorsi was roped back in (and he drafted Eli), and apparently DG likes what he saw of Eli on review...

If what you have stated here is accurate and that everyone but the ball boy thinks Eli has quality football ahead, why make the suggestion that selecting Barkley is "at the expense of the future, to give Eli another toy. Accorsi, Gettlemen (because of Accorsi) and Mara stupidly believe Eli has gas left in his tank." (you have now added Shurmer to this list)?

Maybe they don't see a franchise guy in this draft and feel that building the OL/Running game/DL etc... are in the best interest of the team given the talent that they have the opportunity to add.

Lol  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 12:55 pm : link
Some folks here fall in love way too easy. We came in with several make or break franchise decisions, none of them are we in any position to evaluate, yet several here already loving it, lol. Let’s how quickly the honeymoon ends if he’s blown the HC decision, or botches our #2 pick or the Odell contract situation.
Yes, emphatically yes.  
Red Dog : 4/23/2018 12:59 pm : link
He did a good job for the GIANTS when he was here before.

And he was solid as GM in Carolina.

Unlike Reese, Gettleman understands what it takes to build a winning football team, specifically that winning begins up front and that when things don't go well, you have to make changes, two points that Reese never quite grasped.

He's made some great moves to date including firing Ross, overhauling the draft process, getting rid of Tom Quinn, reaming out a very under-achieving roster, and acquiring some quality veteran free agents.

There's a lot more work to be done, but Gettleman has my full confidence at this point.

The next major checkpoint is the draft.
I like how he has handled his house as of now...  
bradshaw44 : 4/23/2018 1:00 pm : link
No clue on his picking ability. I’ll make a better assessment on that about midway through the season. I’m sure as hell rooting for him.
Before  
oldog : 4/23/2018 1:01 pm : link
confidence, come experience and facts.
RE: I think if he’s “all in” on a 37 year old declining Eli  
Optimus-NY : 4/23/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13926112 The_Boss said:
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He’s making an error. It only kicks the can down the road. Next year’s QB crop frankly sucks.


I agree.
RE: No idea or choice at this point.  
micky : 4/23/2018 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13926095 Big Blue '56 said:
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He says the right things. We shall stay tuned


this

but I do like what he says and way he works so far. time will tell the whole story on Gettlemen and results
I like him, I'm optimistic, but I don't yet trust him...  
Milton : 4/23/2018 1:19 pm : link
If he comes out of the draft with Rosen, he'll have my confidence. If he doesn't, I'll reserve judgment until results begin to show themselves.
here we go again  
djm : 4/23/2018 1:21 pm : link
with this debate.

I have news for all of you. Most of these pro scouts and GMs and coaches are pros. They know what they are doing. Some are too stubborn or get a little complacent or have to operate within the confines of shitty ownership. There are exceptions but most of these guys know how to run a team.

Most need to get lucky. If you don't think luck plays a HUGE part in this thing you haven't been paying attention. GMs need to step in shit once in a while. They need to pick the right coach and hope that coach is a legend. How can you predict that Bill Parcells is a HOF HC in the making? How? Do you really think these GMs KNOW for sure beforehand? They might THINK it, but they don't know it...

I have faith in Gettleman. But I hope he gets lucky.
RE: Yes, emphatically yes.  
T-Bone : 4/23/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13926445 Red Dog said:
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He did a good job for the GIANTS when he was here before.

And he was solid as GM in Carolina.

Unlike Reese, Gettleman understands what it takes to build a winning football team, specifically that winning begins up front and that when things don't go well, you have to make changes, two points that Reese never quite grasped.

He's made some great moves to date including firing Ross, overhauling the draft process, getting rid of Tom Quinn, reaming out a very under-achieving roster, and acquiring some quality veteran free agents.

There's a lot more work to be done, but Gettleman has my full confidence at this point.

The next major checkpoint is the draft.




Seriously... sometimes I wonder if I've been watching the same team as some of the other so-called Giants fans on this site the last two years or so...
that's why patient ownership is so important  
djm : 4/23/2018 1:24 pm : link
if you have an owner who hates to fire people and will allow his staff to operate with autonomy and operate with the long road in mind you have better odds of success.

Holding people accountable every time something goes wrong, like so many fans insist on doing is the worst way to run a team.

RE: RE: I posted in another thread  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/23/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13926211 Essex said:
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In comment 13926097 Bold Ruler said:


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I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft.


My view is that I respected DG as a football person but thought the Giants were too limited in their search. My feeling know is that Gettleman has some of Ernie's worst traits about clichés "You can get too cute," or "Your looking for a hall of famer." In other words, he likes the sound of his own voice (as did Ernie). How he will perform in his job is anybody's guess. Ernie was a walking box of clichés but he did his job very well. My point is I ignore all the bs talk, the people who need to have the "first" or "Hot" takes and grade them on what they do after giving them enough time to succeed.


I hope there some Accorsi in DG. After getting accustomed to years of expensive 9th pick overall and 1st and early round reach flubs and garbage FA signings resulting in a horrible oline, the Snee-Ohara-Diehl-McZenie line Accorsi built with a 2nd round draft pick seems like an unfathomable f***ING wizardy now to me.
RE: RE: Yes, emphatically yes.  
One Man Thrill Ride : 4/23/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13926498 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13926445 Red Dog said:


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He did a good job for the GIANTS when he was here before.

And he was solid as GM in Carolina.

Unlike Reese, Gettleman understands what it takes to build a winning football team, specifically that winning begins up front and that when things don't go well, you have to make changes, two points that Reese never quite grasped.

He's made some great moves to date including firing Ross, overhauling the draft process, getting rid of Tom Quinn, reaming out a very under-achieving roster, and acquiring some quality veteran free agents.

There's a lot more work to be done, but Gettleman has my full confidence at this point.

The next major checkpoint is the draft.





Seriously... sometimes I wonder if I've been watching the same team as some of the other so-called Giants fans on this site the last two years or so...


Agreed. The hatred towards Reese? Thrill doesn't get it.

Listen up, losers. Gettleman worked with Reese for almost 15 years. He worked beneath Reese as the Dir of Pro Personnel from '08-'12.

Dave Gettleman and Jerry Reese are more similar than they are different. Of course there are differences in their attitudes towards certain positions.

...but both are "get your man" BPA obsessors. Old school types who'd say a RB at #2 adds up to great value while trading backwards is a bad move because you don't get the best player in the deal.

Doe Thrill believes in Gettleman? Well this GM search was kind of a sham, and his track record in Carolina doesn't indicate a gifted talent evaluator or difference-maker in upper management. Recent public statements:

"Devalue of RBs is a myth"

"Missing at QB is a five year mistake"

...THrill finds these remakrs to be extremely troubling and terrifying short-sighted. It affirm Thrill's fear that nothing has changed orginizationally from Accorsi-Reese-Gettleman. Philosophy remains the same: draft better, ... , win championships?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I agree with bw  
DieHard : 4/23/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13926432 Brown_Hornet said:
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If what you have stated here is accurate and that everyone but the ball boy thinks Eli has quality football ahead, why make the suggestion that selecting Barkley is "at the expense of the future, to give Eli another toy. Accorsi, Gettlemen (because of Accorsi) and Mara stupidly believe Eli has gas left in his tank." (you have now added Shurmer to this list)?

Maybe they don't see a franchise guy in this draft and feel that building the OL/Running game/DL etc... are in the best interest of the team given the talent that they have the opportunity to add.


That's the beauty of it. You can twist any decision into an indictment of a GM, owner, coach -- pick your target of choice. If the Giants pick a QB, does it mean that DG has successfully wrestled control of the team from Mara? Or maybe Mara was on board with drafting one all along, and those who thought Mara is an over-loyal boob were just dead wrong - but nah, that couldn't happen.
RE: The days of me saying  
Optimus-NY : 4/23/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13926155 aimrocky said:
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I'll be confident in Gettleman if he drafts Rosen or Darnold. Otherwise, the draft will be be added to a long list of disappointments over the past several years.


I agree
DG will be fine  
Sec 103 : 4/23/2018 1:39 pm : link
100% behind
RE: The clouds have parted for me...  
Optimus-NY : 4/23/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13926154 bw in dc said:
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and I am now convinced Gettleman has been hired to for one purpose - to do whatever it takes to get Eli another shot at the brass. And these are direct orders from Mara to assuage John's guilt from the disaster he created last year with GenoGate.

So they will draft Barkley, at the expense of the future, to give Eli another toy. Accorsi, Gettlemen (because of Accorsi) and Mara stupidly believe Eli has gas left in his tank.

They have rebuilt the oline with the addition of Solder and Omameh and are hopeful OBJ will come back at least 90% of his former production. And they will try to add more pieces for Eli and the D in the second wave of free agency after the draft.

But to answer your question, I am agnostic on Gettleman. It's not entirely his show and he's being compelled to follow the blueprint laid out by Mara and Accorsi...


I have a weird feeling that this is the case. IF it is, then batten down the hatches for a decade of bad football.
RE: RE: RE: Yes, emphatically yes.  
Giants34 : 4/23/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13926528 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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In comment 13926498 T-Bone said:


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In comment 13926445 Red Dog said:


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He did a good job for the GIANTS when he was here before.

And he was solid as GM in Carolina.

Unlike Reese, Gettleman understands what it takes to build a winning football team, specifically that winning begins up front and that when things don't go well, you have to make changes, two points that Reese never quite grasped.

He's made some great moves to date including firing Ross, overhauling the draft process, getting rid of Tom Quinn, reaming out a very under-achieving roster, and acquiring some quality veteran free agents.

There's a lot more work to be done, but Gettleman has my full confidence at this point.

The next major checkpoint is the draft.





Seriously... sometimes I wonder if I've been watching the same team as some of the other so-called Giants fans on this site the last two years or so...



Agreed. The hatred towards Reese? Thrill doesn't get it.

Listen up, losers. Gettleman worked with Reese for almost 15 years. He worked beneath Reese as the Dir of Pro Personnel from '08-'12.

Dave Gettleman and Jerry Reese are more similar than they are different. Of course there are differences in their attitudes towards certain positions.

...but both are "get your man" BPA obsessors. Old school types who'd say a RB at #2 adds up to great value while trading backwards is a bad move because you don't get the best player in the deal.

Doe Thrill believes in Gettleman? Well this GM search was kind of a sham, and his track record in Carolina doesn't indicate a gifted talent evaluator or difference-maker in upper management. Recent public statements:

"Devalue of RBs is a myth"

"Missing at QB is a five year mistake"

...THrill finds these remakrs to be extremely troubling and terrifying short-sighted. It affirm Thrill's fear that nothing has changed orginizationally from Accorsi-Reese-Gettleman. Philosophy remains the same: draft better, ... , win championships?


Thrill: Accorsi did draft Eli, and traded up to do it. So there's that. And why did everyone miss Gettleman's comment after the five year mistake one that - "if you ask the right questions, you'll get the answers you need." Is it possible Gettleman feels he asked the right questions of the QBs and got the answers he needed of the QBs?
Go on record?  
SHO'NUFF : 4/23/2018 1:46 pm : link
What are you...a teenage girl?
Some of the same people saying Mara is calling the shots  
djm : 4/23/2018 3:03 pm : link
And it’s all about going all in on Eli ironically fail to realize the rumors that Mara wanted Eli benched last year or that Mara has been paying Eli millions upon millions the last few years. We know Mara didn’t stop mcadoo from benching eli.

Keep on looking for the grassy knoll.
Very Confident  
PaulN : 4/23/2018 3:20 pm : link
He seems to be perfect for the Giants, thank God they got rid of Reese. Got credit for a Super Bowl he had next to nothing to do with and his second was with a 9-7 team, so he was lucky to have Eli, who he didn't acquire. Gettleman is very sharp.
There's a percentage of people who were so eager to be rid of Reese  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/23/2018 3:24 pm : link
that they would have full confidence in Ray Handley as the new GM if he came with a nametag that said "Not Reese".

I'll wait and see. I don't need my GM to be a personality or do too much talking, and DG certainly has that part down in spades. We're in uncharted territory with a guy who's never been in this position in the draft with a franchise at these crossroads before. I don't see how anyone could have an especially high confidence level for a guy with no track record in this area.
RE: Some of the same people saying Mara is calling the shots  
bw in dc : 4/23/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13926697 djm said:
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And it’s all about going all in on Eli ironically fail to realize the rumors that Mara wanted Eli benched last year or that Mara has been paying Eli millions upon millions the last few years. We know Mara didn’t stop mcadoo from benching eli.

Keep on looking for the grassy knoll.


You're kidding right? In January at the Shurmur press conference, Mara said how pleased he was to hear Shurmur say that he thought Eli had "years left". It's just astonishing to me how people don't see how the backlash to the benching of Eli - and Mara did support it, true - crushed Mara. The possibility that he'd have to wear that albatross as the Eli slayer, when many fans didn't want that, created this code red to keep Eli.

So now that he's got intel that Eli can still play - per Shurmur, Accorsi and DG - Mara sees this as an opportunity to make amends for his f-ck up. Thus, the plan is underway - save Eli by any means necessary.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I agree with bw  
bw in dc : 4/23/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13926432 Brown_Hornet said:
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If what you have stated here is accurate and that everyone but the ball boy thinks Eli has quality football ahead, why make the suggestion that selecting Barkley is "at the expense of the future, to give Eli another toy. Accorsi, Gettlemen (because of Accorsi) and Mara stupidly believe Eli has gas left in his tank." (you have now added Shurmer to this list)?

Maybe they don't see a franchise guy in this draft and feel that building the OL/Running game/DL etc... are in the best interest of the team given the talent that they have the opportunity to add.


It is not in the best interest of the team to draft a RB #2 - in this rarefied air of drafting this high - when it's a position that is the most fungible in the NFL.

On top of that, this is a bumper crop draft for RBS. There is not this massive, clear difference between Barkley and his peers. Is he better? Maybe, sure. Is he that much better than KJohnson Jones, Michel, etc that he is a clear no-brainer at #2? NFW. RBs grow on trees. There are RB trees all over - high school, college, Canada, etc. Be patient and snag one later.

At #2, if you are planning correctly, you have to take either a QB, DE/DR, or maybe a corner or LT. Fortunately, this is a very good year for the most important position, so it makes all the sense in the world to draft a QB. Take a QB to begin the transition to the future and find a RB in day two that could be impactful day one...
5 out of 10  
arniefez : 4/23/2018 4:21 pm : link
he talks 10 out of 10 but that's easy. The whole gold jacket at # 2 thing is incredibly dumb. Ni rookie needs that pressure and the odds are about 1 in 5 at best if you look at the past 37 years (since 1980).
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I agree with bw  
Brown_Hornet : 4/23/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13926869 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13926432 Brown_Hornet said:


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If what you have stated here is accurate and that everyone but the ball boy thinks Eli has quality football ahead, why make the suggestion that selecting Barkley is "at the expense of the future, to give Eli another toy. Accorsi, Gettlemen (because of Accorsi) and Mara stupidly believe Eli has gas left in his tank." (you have now added Shurmer to this list)?

Maybe they don't see a franchise guy in this draft and feel that building the OL/Running game/DL etc... are in the best interest of the team given the talent that they have the opportunity to add.




It is not in the best interest of the team to draft a RB #2 - in this rarefied air of drafting this high - when it's a position that is the most fungible in the NFL.

On top of that, this is a bumper crop draft for RBS. There is not this massive, clear difference between Barkley and his peers. Is he better? Maybe, sure. Is he that much better than KJohnson Jones, Michel, etc that he is a clear no-brainer at #2? NFW. RBs grow on trees. There are RB trees all over - high school, college, Canada, etc. Be patient and snag one later.

At #2, if you are planning correctly, you have to take either a QB, DE/DR, or maybe a corner or LT. Fortunately, this is a very good year for the most important position, so it makes all the sense in the world to draft a QB. Take a QB to begin the transition to the future and find a RB in day two that could be impactful day one...


Fair enough.
I'm okay with a quarterback the running back or even the defensive end.
I would love for Cleveland to swap with us.
It's a fun spot that a fun time to be in.
RE: RE: Some of the same people saying Mara is calling the shots  
djm : 4/23/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13926837 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13926697 djm said:


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And it’s all about going all in on Eli ironically fail to realize the rumors that Mara wanted Eli benched last year or that Mara has been paying Eli millions upon millions the last few years. We know Mara didn’t stop mcadoo from benching eli.

Keep on looking for the grassy knoll.



You're kidding right? In January at the Shurmur press conference, Mara said how pleased he was to hear Shurmur say that he thought Eli had "years left". It's just astonishing to me how people don't see how the backlash to the benching of Eli - and Mara did support it, true - crushed Mara. The possibility that he'd have to wear that albatross as the Eli slayer, when many fans didn't want that, created this code red to keep Eli.

So now that he's got intel that Eli can still play - per Shurmur, Accorsi and DG - Mara sees this as an opportunity to make amends for his f-ck up. Thus, the plan is underway - save Eli by any means necessary.


That’s all well n good but That doesn’t mean that Mara has thrown down an edict to bypass the drafting of a franchise qb all for the sake of his conscience and Eli’s feelings. If the giants bypass the qb you’re gonna say told you so but its likely they just didn’t like any of these Qbs. I think you’re reaching big time. And what if they do draft a qb? Why draft Webb last year? Shit why draft a qb ever? Why let mcadoo bench Eli?

There’s evidence to support the belief that the giants are going to phase Eli out sooner than later.
I still say  
djm : 4/23/2018 8:07 pm : link
The biggest component in all of this that people are missing is the money. Eli has been making a mint off the giants and the giants haven’t been winning. At times shit has been dreadfully ugly around met life lately. If you don’t think that Mara is questioning the value of his qb I have a bridge to sell you. It’s always about the money. Always.
RE: Go on record?  
Sean : 4/23/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13926574 SHO'NUFF said:
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What are you...a teenage girl?


I don’t see how this is productive.
RE: RE: RE: Some of the same people saying Mara is calling the shots  
bw in dc : 4/23/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13927156 djm said:
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That’s all well n good but That doesn’t mean that Mara has thrown down an edict to bypass the drafting of a franchise qb all for the sake of his conscience and Eli’s feelings. If the giants bypass the qb you’re gonna say told you so but its likely they just didn’t like any of these Qbs. I think you’re reaching big time. And what if they do draft a qb? Why draft Webb last year? Shit why draft a qb ever? Why let mcadoo bench Eli?

There’s evidence to support the belief that the giants are going to phase Eli out sooner than later.


I'm not a told-you-so guy. It's just my working theory based on stitching everything together since the catastrophic 2017 season ended. No one wants a QB more than me in this draft - I want either Darnold or LamJax - and would love to be wrong on this...
I find it very hilarious  
DonnieD89 : 4/23/2018 9:10 pm : link
that there are posters on this bulletin board that think John Mara is succumbing to the "Manning Family". I think Mara wants this his team to win just as bad as all of us. It's pure bullshit and very ironic that they hired DG as GM who really doesn't give a shit what ownership thinks when it comes to selecting player personnel, and we get posters who thinks that he is a yes man. Really? He will choose by his own style and expertise in building a team. DG is honest when he says that he is building the team for the short-term and long-term. That's how you are suppose to build a team. You always try to put your team in the best position to win all the time. Whether he chooses a QB, RB, DE, OG with his high 1st round pick, we should be happy and sit back and enjoy how it unfolds.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Some of the same people saying Mara is calling the shots  
djm : 4/23/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13927193 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13927156 djm said:


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That’s all well n good but That doesn’t mean that Mara has thrown down an edict to bypass the drafting of a franchise qb all for the sake of his conscience and Eli’s feelings. If the giants bypass the qb you’re gonna say told you so but its likely they just didn’t like any of these Qbs. I think you’re reaching big time. And what if they do draft a qb? Why draft Webb last year? Shit why draft a qb ever? Why let mcadoo bench Eli?

There’s evidence to support the belief that the giants are going to phase Eli out sooner than later.



I'm not a told-you-so guy. It's just my working theory based on stitching everything together since the catastrophic 2017 season ended. No one wants a QB more than me in this draft - I want either Darnold or LamJax - and would love to be wrong on this...


Fair enough. I still don’t know what I want — I just want an awesome player. The selfish side of me, the side that has season tix and wants to see exciting players and winning football asap wants Barkley. The patient fan in me that remembers 1994-2004 wants the qb. I think the qb to take is rosen but any of them will do because I believe shurmur can work magic.
RE: RE: Some of the same people saying Mara is calling the shots  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/23/2018 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13926837 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13926697 djm said:


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And it’s all about going all in on Eli ironically fail to realize the rumors that Mara wanted Eli benched last year or that Mara has been paying Eli millions upon millions the last few years. We know Mara didn’t stop mcadoo from benching eli.

Keep on looking for the grassy knoll.



You're kidding right? In January at the Shurmur press conference, Mara said how pleased he was to hear Shurmur say that he thought Eli had "years left". It's just astonishing to me how people don't see how the backlash to the benching of Eli - and Mara did support it, true - crushed Mara. The possibility that he'd have to wear that albatross as the Eli slayer, when many fans didn't want that, created this code red to keep Eli.

So now that he's got intel that Eli can still play - per Shurmur, Accorsi and DG - Mara sees this as an opportunity to make amends for his f-ck up. Thus, the plan is underway - save Eli by any means necessary.


Mara is probably smart enough to grasp that the same fans crying crocodile tears for eli's "unjust" teatment are the same fans that have booed the crap out of him before and will be the same fans throwing trash on the field in a 3/4ths empty stadium in december if the team continues to be a dumpster fire even with a fan favorite under center. Nobody's paying for a ticket to watch Eli Manning play into his 40s on a lousy team.

There's nothing in Mara's history to lend to the idea that gigantic, franchise-shifting decisions get made on wild swings of emotion or catering to what highly fickle fans want.
He will save us!!  
Jay in Toronto : 4/23/2018 11:31 pm : link
Indeed


in DG we trust - ( New Window )
Know upcoming draft is big  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/24/2018 2:41 am : link
But upgrading coaching in all 3 phases will be the single biggest incremental improvement DG pulled off. That in itself is worth 5-6 wins. One of worst HCs and ST coaches to hopefully above average or better in all 3 units.
A few years ago  
Mike from SI : 4/24/2018 3:58 am : link
everyone bemoaned that we lost him to the Panthers. He did a bang up job over there. Yes, I have confidence. He will make a good decision under uncertainty. Those don't always turn out well, but I am confident he will make a thoughtful, well-informed, justifiable decision. If it works? Who knows.
....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/24/2018 6:28 am : link
Cautiously confident. He says all the right things, but the proof is in the pudding.
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