Go on record - confidence in Gettleman?

He says the right things. We shall stay tuned

imagine that who Gettleman picks at 2 is going to either gain him support or cause a lot of naysayers. Most likely it will do both!

I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft.

At least he's been through the process as a GM before.

I think being a fan entails consistently offering rope to ownership.

He’s making an error. It only kicks the can down the road. Next year’s QB crop frankly sucks.

He came on board a ship with many issues. Have to give him a shot.

We are a step behind many teams, and finished with the second pick overall for a reason.

Sometimes you have to be bold.

Just say 'yes' or 'no' all yuz hedging fuchers.

and was happy that he was the GM selection. His philosophy on team building aligns with what I believe. I was never a fan of Reese and his "basketball on grass".

Whatever direction he decides is fine by me. While I have preferences in draft selections, I trust that the selections made will align with the basic team building philosophy.

in what ever he does..

FA signing of Stewart, love all the moves and talk coming out of our organization now.

Never felt that way with Reese and his Al Davis style team building.

Gettleman knows more than any of us on here at BBI and probably more than the talking heads on ESPN and NFL Network.

but so did Reese.

Draft is a crapshoot to an extent.

I won't say it's exactly a 50/50 toss up whether a player pans out, but there is a decent chance the pick at #2 fails to live up to expectations for a variety of reasons, fans need to accept that.

Much less so in ownership and Shurmur.

are weird.

In comment 13926097 Bold Ruler said:

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I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft.

I feel the same way. Didn't like the selection initially because I thought he was just a yes man for the Maras. His moves since he was hired do show that he is not concerned about keeping players just to make the Maras not look like idiots for approving contract/draft selection

Like everything I've seen and heard so far.

Yeah ... high level of confidence in Gettleman.

Hard to say if the confidence is bolstered by my optimism.

everyone can talk a big game but the draft is where you should be judged

And we all had it in Reese at once point as well. He was with the organization and played a big part in two Super Bowl rosters.

I like the way he’s approached this offseason. But what choice do we have anyway? Can those that don’t like or trust DG get him fired in time before he makes a mistake on Thursday?

I felt that the selection was pretty much a no-brainer as he had ties here and was very successful when he was here. Proved that he can handle the job and was only let go because the owner favored some of the veteran players. Thought we were lucky to get him.

Since then, I'm even more impressed.

in the NFL especially in the NorthEast which is why, unless something really strange happens, I believe Barkley is our pick.

I also believe, based on that, DG has a plan and is exercising that plan and he has been slowly weeding out the guys who don't want to be a Giant and, as he says, guys who hate to lose.

I think, rather than the first round, I am interested in what he does in rounds 2 and onward. I also believe he is making a concerted effort to get rid of Flowers. If someone offers us a bag of footballs and a pick within the next two years, I say take it and run. The faster he is gone, the better.

and I am now convinced Gettleman has been hired to for one purpose - to do whatever it takes to get Eli another shot at the brass. And these are direct orders from Mara to assuage John's guilt from the disaster he created last year with GenoGate.

So they will draft Barkley, at the expense of the future, to give Eli another toy. Accorsi, Gettlemen (because of Accorsi) and Mara stupidly believe Eli has gas left in his tank.

They have rebuilt the oline with the addition of Solder and Omameh and are hopeful OBJ will come back at least 90% of his former production. And they will try to add more pieces for Eli and the D in the second wave of free agency after the draft.

But to answer your question, I am agnostic on Gettleman. It's not entirely his show and he's being compelled to follow the blueprint laid out by Mara and Accorsi...

I'll be confident in Gettleman if he drafts Rosen or Darnold. Otherwise, the draft will be be added to a long list of disappointments over the past several years.

At this point, he talks the talk. He should bring some stability that was lost with the last regime, but time will tell.

I will lose all confidence if he drafts a RB at 2 however.

Its been refreshing. He's great with the media and has been pretty consistent since day 1.

That said, there's been no draft yet and no wins or losses under his tenure.

Pretty much anything that feels new and different after Jerry Reese was going to feel good and make fans feel more confident. We're still in the honeymoon phase though.

2 out of 10 for Ownership. I can’t think of a single recent action that would give me confidence in them.

I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well.

In comment 13926142 jintz4life said:

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everyone can talk a big game but the draft is where you should be judged

EXACTLY - no doubts as a pro personnel guy. Show me a draft.

I'm happy if he:
i) takes a QB or
ii) believes the QBs are risky, ransoms for a trade down.

If he takes Barkley at 2, he should be fired.

In comment 13926180 Go Terps said:

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I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well.

An over correction move? I remember you being critical for the lack of sensitivity in the Eli benching last year for not being in the building. It’s hard for me to imagine this given Mara signed off on the original plan last November.

I think he has been the highlight of all of the recent change within the organization.

I am also confident in Shurmur's ability to coach/groom QBs, less confident in his overall abilities to be HC.

I have little confidence that both/either are able to operate independent of Mara's wishes.

knows a hell of a lot more than I do, so I'll be fine with whomever they choose. I'll trust their judgement unless it becomes clear that the player wasn't worth his draft slot.

In comment 13926193 Sean said:

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In comment 13926180 Go Terps said: Quote: I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well. An over correction move? I remember you being critical for the lack of sensitivity in the Eli benching last year for not being in the building. It’s hard for me to imagine this given Mara signed off on the original plan last November.

I think it's very possibly an overcorrection, yes.

as a publicity move by Mara are just making up excuses, hedging bets, in case the draft doesn't go the way they want it to.

So if Gettleman drafts a QB, is it still a Mara/Eli publicity move?

In comment 13926097 Bold Ruler said:

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I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft.

My view is that I respected DG as a football person but thought the Giants were too limited in their search. My feeling know is that Gettleman has some of Ernie's worst traits about clichés "You can get too cute," or "Your looking for a hall of famer." In other words, he likes the sound of his own voice (as did Ernie). How he will perform in his job is anybody's guess. Ernie was a walking box of clichés but he did his job very well. My point is I ignore all the bs talk, the people who need to have the "first" or "Hot" takes and grade them on what they do after giving them enough time to succeed.

In comment 13926204 Britt in VA said:

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as a publicity move by Mara are just making up excuses, hedging bets, in case the draft doesn't go the way they want it to. So if Gettleman drafts a QB, is it still a Mara/Eli publicity move?

Totally agree. It’s entirely possible a QB may still be drafted in rounds 2/3 anyway.

I am amending that to "annoying traits"

In comment 13926193 Sean said:

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In comment 13926180 Go Terps said: Quote: I think Gettleman may have been hired with the caveat that Eli is to be the quarterback for at least 2018 and possibly 2019 as well. An over correction move? I remember you being critical for the lack of sensitivity in the Eli benching last year for not being in the building. It’s hard for me to imagine this given Mara signed off on the original plan last November.

Mara did not like the blow back from the fans and media on Eli's handling. It crushed him. Remember, he takes that Giants brand very seriously - classiest organization in the NFL. So a 180 is easily logical - Shurmur is a QB whisperer, Shurmur still likes what he sees in Eli, Accorsi was roped back in (and he drafted Eli), and apparently DG likes what he saw of Eli on review...

I’ve warmed up to hiring a veteran football guy vs an unknown...but I agree with those who’ve expressed concern we’re going all in to try and be competitive in Eli’s last couple seasons, potentially at the expense of building for the future

My dream isn’t one playoff season, like 2016...it’s to build a perennial contender for a decade, like the Pats, or to a lesser degree the Peyton Colts, Seahawks of recent vintage, Rodgers Packers, or what the Eagles are possibly at the beginning of

an offseason that featured several moves that dispels the notion, there's still a faction of BBI that thinks Gettleman is a puppet.

Despite him getting fired in Carolina for not being a puppet.

I'm getting to the point where I think you can show some people a red shirt and they will argue it is green.

In comment 13926163 Keith said:

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At this point, he talks the talk. He should bring some stability that was lost with the last regime, but time will tell. I will lose all confidence if he drafts a RB at 2 however.

I agree with this. I want to be excited about our draft pick and while Barkley is exciting it just seems like it will lead to years of searching for a QB and potentially trading a fortune to get one. I don’t see the value with Barkley. But I respect other people who disagree with me.

My guess is he takes Barkley and I will have to just deal with it but if the Jets end up with a great QB we passed on, I think even the Barkley/Eli enthusiasts will realize how much of a mistake was made.

In comment 13926241 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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an offseason that featured several moves that dispels the notion, there's still a faction of BBI that thinks Gettleman is a puppet. Despite him getting fired in Carolina for not being a puppet. I'm getting to the point where I think you can show some people a red shirt and they will argue it is green.

This.

Said it at least a coup!e time before:
Giants have been a rudderless ship for 5+ years.
Mara and TC often mentioned and were both desirous of 'returning to Giants football's' since 2013; run-strong offense.Run stopping strong defense. Reese delivers a reach in Pugh, an ultra- reach in Flowers, while (intentionally?) missing out on Lewan, Conklin, Stanley and X# of others on OL. That and other poor picks in part cost TC his job.
Mara's complacency in letting Reese apparently not be held accountable for not delivering what Mara wanted, opting instead to sign off on playmakers , reachs, and poor picks requiring a 1 year cap burdening spree on key D positions put the organization in deep poop.
Result: Trusted names in Accorsi slapped Mara into reality on running the team like a business and not a play toy, and set a direction, and DGs availability continues that flow.
We now have the term HOGMOLLIES in our vocabulary because of DG , who pursued one in Howell but settled;-) for Solder. Then Omamaeh. And we at least now have the FO all on the same page.
So: until he fails: YES YES YES !!

In comment 13926211 Essex said:

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In comment 13926097 Bold Ruler said: Quote: I initially groaned when it was announced Gettleman was the new GM. Since then he has done nothing but increase my faith in his ability to restore this roster to what it needs to be. I have total confidence in him as we approach the draft. My view is that I respected DG as a football person but thought the Giants were too limited in their search. My feeling know is that Gettleman has some of Ernie's worst traits about clichés "You can get too cute," or "Your looking for a hall of famer." In other words, he likes the sound of his own voice (as did Ernie). How he will perform in his job is anybody's guess. Ernie was a walking box of clichés but he did his job very well. My point is I ignore all the bs talk, the people who need to have the "first" or "Hot" takes and grade them on what they do after giving them enough time to succeed.

I agree. I can't stand the "gold jacket" line or the "You can't get too cute" line. Personally, I'll go on record as saying I think John Dorsey will do very well in Cleveland and I would've been happier with him. I don't love how Gettleman did in Carolina, and he's never had to consider drafting a QB; he inherited Cam Newton.

I won't say I'm anti-Gettleman though. I'd say, he wasn't my first choice, but he deserves a chance to prove himself. I'm fairly happy with his work in free agency and the Ogletree trade. I'm even pretty happy with the JPP trade, although I think this SHOULD signal that the Giants are planning mostly for the future. You can't win without pass rushers and it's pretty rare that a pass rusher, even a very good one, takes the NFL totally by storm in his rookie year. Plus, I don't see trading JPP just so you can use the #2 pick to replace him. That's barely addition by subtraction.

In comment 13926241 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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an offseason that featured several moves that dispels the notion, there's still a faction of BBI that thinks Gettleman is a puppet. Despite him getting fired in Carolina for not being a puppet.

Gettleman is 67. It's just as reasonable to assume he wanted to stay in the game and was willing to become more malleable with ownership, especially this organization that he loves...

be nice if posters decided if Mara is a serial meddler or if he lets people do their jobs.

This thread has speculation that DG is being told what to do regarding Eli, yet there was a long-winded post a couple of days ago theorizing that Mara is ordering the drafting of a QB.

And since we will either draft a QB or not, one of the scenarios will happen, yet it will not indicate anything about how involved Mara is.

But I'm sure it will bolster the opinion he meddled anyway.

Most important draft since 2004. Giants have got to hit a home run on multiple picks in this draft.
We have many needs in multiple positions to get back to winning football.

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Gettleman is 67. It's just as reasonable to assume he wanted to stay in the game

Awesome! Old guy just wants a job!

That you find the above assumption "reasonable" says a lot.

They really need to stay at 2 and draft a QB, preferably Rosen. If they don't, they need to trade down. If they stay at 2 and draft Barkley, it will qualify as one of the worst draft picks I've ever seen. And that is not hyperbole. You just don't select RBs at #2. At least NO had Brees when they took Bush at #2, and Bush ended up being a virtual non-factor when they won the SB years later.

Will put together a solid team and get this organization back on the right track.

As far as confidence in making a single isolated pick (2), I don’t know. I think we’ll look back at it as a “meh” pick if it’s anything like his first rounders in Carolina. Overall though I’m confident he’ll put together a strong draft class.