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Assuming we don't go QB in this draft what's your plan....

GFAN52 : 4/23/2018 11:37 am
going forward to replace Eli, if Davis Webb isn't the answer? I'd say short of a major injury to Eli, we won't be picking in the top 5-7 again, so do we take our chances drafting a lower rated QB in the 1st rd in a future draft. Do we look for a Jimmy Garoppolo type trade? Or do we go the FA QB route.
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I'd take Lauletta with our 2nd round pick.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2018 11:38 am : link
and let him and Davis Webb duke it out in camp.
RE: I'd take Lauletta with our 2nd round pick.  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2018 11:39 am : link
In comment 13926253 Britt in VA said:
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and let him and Davis Webb duke it out in camp.

Lauletta in the 2nd would be a disaster.
I know that doesn't exactly address the question...  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2018 11:39 am : link
but the feeling around here is that if we don't take a QB number 2 overall, we're not taking one.
assuming  
The Dude : 4/23/2018 11:39 am : link
where we are gonna draft in the future is silly. Did anyone think we would draft 2nd this year?

The "plan" go the QB going forward would be fluid.
If OBJ goes down again  
ron mexico : 4/23/2018 11:41 am : link
I could see us picking this high again next year
I look at free agency  
sharpshooter66 : 4/23/2018 11:41 am : link
and the draft the next 2 years and try to find some young QBs to compete and develop under this coaching staff. Im not one of the guys who think you have tp build around a QB.
Trevor Lawrence, baby  
Anakim : 4/23/2018 11:42 am : link
Jennifer Aniston hair, but the next big thing!




Or Justin Fields
I'm assuming you mean not going QB at #2...  
bw in dc : 4/23/2018 11:42 am : link
I'd try to draft either LamJax, package something to move up and get him, or take Luke Falk.
Pray.  
bceagle05 : 4/23/2018 11:42 am : link
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In your scenario, when do the Giants realize that  
Diver_Down : 4/23/2018 11:43 am : link
Webb isn't the answer? Obviously not 2018 as Eli will be the starter and unless an injury forces the change, he will likely end the 2018 season as the starter. So is there a QB comp between Eli/Webb for 2019? Is that when the determination is made? Does Eli play out his contract as the starter for 2018/2019 and then the Giants realize that Webb isn't the answer?

RE: If OBJ goes down again  
GFAN52 : 4/23/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 13926263 ron mexico said:
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I could see us picking this high again next year


I don't, Shurmur would have Barkley, Shepard and Engram as weapons, and I have confidence he'll establish a better offense than McAdoo.
If Webb isn't the answer  
jeff57 : 4/23/2018 11:45 am : link
I would imagine we'd be picking in the top 5 in a couple of years.
I’m trusting that DG doesn’t have any conviction..  
Sean : 4/23/2018 11:46 am : link
if we don’t go QB this year. As Britt alluded, I wouldn’t mind taking a second tier player and having him duke it out with Webb while building a strong roster on both sides of the ball (Vikings pre Cousins).
Nothing.  
AcidTest : 4/23/2018 11:49 am : link
Draft one of the "big four" QBs, or develop Webb.
IF IF IF  
YAJ2112 : 4/23/2018 11:50 am : link
we don't go QB at 2, then my plan would be to ride Eli until he proves he's done. Let Webb finish up whatever season that happens. Reevaluate after that season. Whether it's 2018, 19, or 20. Whatever year you have to go to Webb, you'll know at the end of that year whether Webb is the future.

If Eli is done and Webb proves he's not the answer in that year as well, the Giants are going to suck that season and get a high draft pick to find the next guy.

Profit!
Trade back.  
Boy Cord : 4/23/2018 11:52 am : link
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This guy is the future:  
Anakim : 4/23/2018 11:55 am : link
RE: If Webb isn't the answer  
firedbytheboss : 4/23/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13926282 jeff57 said:
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I would imagine we'd be picking in the top 5 in a couple of years.


Yea.. so how about we bypass all that noise and get our an now.
RE: In your scenario, when do the Giants realize that  
Diver_Down : 4/23/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13926273 Diver_Down said:
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Webb isn't the answer? Obviously not 2018 as Eli will be the starter and unless an injury forces the change, he will likely end the 2018 season as the starter. So is there a QB comp between Eli/Webb for 2019? Is that when the determination is made? Does Eli play out his contract as the starter for 2018/2019 and then the Giants realize that Webb isn't the answer?


The reason I propose the scenarios above is if Eli plays out his contract and we aren't picking in the Top 10, it is under the presumption that he is still a capable starter with supporting cast and has not suffered an injury. It is blasphemous around here, but if those conditions exist, Eli could be extended for a 2 year contract. I would not rule out an extension after this year. If Eli has a great year under a competent coach and offense, DG might deem that Eli does indeed have years left.
RE: I'd take Lauletta with our 2nd round pick.  
firedbytheboss : 4/23/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 13926253 Britt in VA said:
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and let him and Davis Webb duke it out in camp.


Paulette doesn't have and NFL arm.
Assumption is that you mean in the 1st round this year  
SLIM_ : 4/23/2018 12:00 pm : link
If that is the case, I see 2 different scenarios:

- We draft Barkely. We team him up with Beckham and Engram who will play the move tight end position predominantly and not as the in-line tight end. Assuming Eli plays 2 more years, I see all in their prime at that time and with a better offensive line built up, I don't think you need a stud QB with the skill positions stocked the way they are (nor could you afford a high profile free agent qb). Forecasting that, I think you do nothing this year and see how Webb is progressing (he needs to become #2 and as such, should see plenty of time this pre-season.) You could probably hedge your bet and grab another QB NEXT draft at around 3-4th round.

- We trade down. Again, with a bounty of picks we could probably stock a very good offensive line and still couple with Engram/Beckhum. I would probably be more conservative in counting on Webb without amazing talent at the skill positions and hedge my bet a different way. With the trade down, we would get a future 1. Until I'm very confident with Webb, I continue to trade that 1 into the future so at any time necessary, I have 2 #1's (that and our own) to move up in the draft to take a QB.

I have some confidence in Webb but I also know that the 1st replacement for Eli will have a hard time. That is why I'm somewhat reluctant to go #1 this year. I think it would be much easier for the replacement to come in if Eli retired gracefully or got hurt. I also think having someone (like Webb) to observe Eli for about 2 years to see how to conduct yourself as a QB in New York would be beneficial. Webb may have that luxury. You draft a QB with pick #2 and he needs to start at minimum next year.

You can point to Rodgers all you want but I think he was the 22nd pick in the draft and not the 2nd.
Pass on a QB at 2 and take one later to compete with Webb  
Jim in Tampa : 4/23/2018 12:00 pm : link
That way we can relive the excitement of...

Graham vs. Brown
Brown vs. Kanell
Pisarcik vs. Whoever the hell he beat out

Plan B would be to hope we really suck next year while at the same time hope that the college QB crop is MUCH better than advertised. (It's not supposed to be on par with this year's QB class.)

Plan C would be to hope the next Kirk Cousins-type of QB shakes free so we can pay through the nose and tie up a good chunk of our cap.

With awesome options like these the Giants would be foolish to take a QB at 2.
My plan if no QB  
GiantsLaw : 4/23/2018 12:47 pm : link
would be to trade down. That trade down would include a #1 next year. That way if we need to move up next year we'd have the draft capital to do so.
Would be interesting to see if they follow through on a QB  
JonC : 4/23/2018 12:51 pm : link
later such as Mason Rudolph, or Lauletta, plug him in to compete with Webb for a year, and see where we're at in a year. As Eli fades, the chance we're back in the top 10 increases.
RE: My plan if no QB  
BillKo : 4/23/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13926419 GiantsLaw said:
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would be to trade down. That trade down would include a #1 next year. That way if we need to move up next year we'd have the draft capital to do so.


I'm with this.

Trade down a few spots, pick up a #1 next year and/or multiple picks this year in rounds 2 and 3.

We need to acquire talent to build up the roster.........
RE: This guy is the future:  
bradshaw44 : 4/23/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13926312 Anakim said:
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Reminds me of the freshman kid from dazed and confused.
RE: Would be interesting to see if they follow through on a QB  
Strahan91 : 4/23/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13926429 JonC said:
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later such as Mason Rudolph, or Lauletta, plug him in to compete with Webb for a year, and see where we're at in a year. As Eli fades, the chance we're back in the top 10 increases.


Jon, you mentioned on another thread that you didn’t see Jackson as an option. Is that your opinion or something you’ve heard?
RE: RE: This guy is the future:  
Anakim : 4/23/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13926439 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 13926312 Anakim said:


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Reminds me of the freshman kid from dazed and confused.


Haha, good call
My plan?  
The_Boss : 4/23/2018 1:00 pm : link
To scream to the mountain tops that passing on Rosen or Darnold was a mistake.
RE: Would be interesting to see if they follow through on a QB  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13926429 JonC said:
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later such as Mason Rudolph, or Lauletta, plug him in to compete with Webb for a year, and see where we're at in a year. As Eli fades, the chance we're back in the top 10 increases.


Jon I think you are one of the best posters I have read in all my time on BBI. However, I think you got that backwards, the longer Eli plays the better draft pick we will get lol. I know you have said Darnold I’d the only QB you think k the Giants like, but I just don’t get the logic of passing on all these QBs. It seems like you are kicking a large crater down the road. The odds of Webb being the answer is slim. When you have the opportunity to get a replacement for Eli without giving up a fortune is a blessing. It really feels like Gettleman is scared to take a QB. He keeps repeating that it sets the franchise back 5 years. How many years does it set the franchise back when we can’t find a QB? I hope I am wrong, but it seems like a horrendous decision to me.
my opinion  
JonC : 4/23/2018 1:01 pm : link
I don't see NYG drafting a QB that has a number of question marks projecting as a passer in the NFL, and a poor wonderlic score. Would expect them to look for a big, strong, pocket passer who could be the face of the franchise.
most likely if dont go QB this draft  
micky : 4/23/2018 1:02 pm : link
And Webb doesn't plan out after Eli leaves, they'll likely play the journeyman QB for awhile.

Something like the Kent Graham, Danny Kanell era. Will have to rely heavily on Barkley (if that's the choice) or another and defense.

Maybe hit a one year wonder like a Hostetler ie yo win the big one.
RE: My plan?  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13926449 The_Boss said:
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To scream to the mountain tops that passing on Rosen or Darnold was a mistake.


I will meet you on the mountain to scream, or throw Gettleman off either way.
RE: my opinion  
Strahan91 : 4/23/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13926452 JonC said:
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I don't see NYG drafting a QB that has a number of question marks projecting as a passer in the NFL, and a poor wonderlic score. Would expect them to look for a big, strong, pocket passer who could be the face of the franchise.


Thanks, appreciate the response. Makes a lot of sense.
RE: RE: This guy is the future:  
The_Boss : 4/23/2018 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13926439 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 13926312 Anakim said:


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Reminds me of the freshman kid from dazed and confused.


Good call. I immediately saw the same.
matty  
JonC : 4/23/2018 1:04 pm : link
I meant be back drafting in the top 10.

The logic behind picking at QB at #2 is absolutely sound, imv, but you've got to believe in the prospect(s) available at the same time. It doesn't make much sense to draft one of the sake of it, that pick has to make a big impact for this franchise to have success in the near and longer term.

Given that, my instinct is NYG will value Barkley/Chubb above the QBs, with the exception of Darnold. Only four more days until we find out.
RE: matty  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13926463 JonC said:
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I meant be back drafting in the top 10.

The logic behind picking at QB at #2 is absolutely sound, imv, but you've got to believe in the prospect(s) available at the same time. It doesn't make much sense to draft one of the sake of it, that pick has to make a big impact for this franchise to have success in the near and longer term.

Given that, my instinct is NYG will value Barkley/Chubb above the QBs, with the exception of Darnold. Only four more days until we find out.


I understand what you are saying, I just don’t see how the Giants don’t like any of these QBs and I think they are exaggerating how much football is left in Eli. However, as always I appreciate your thoughts. Let the depression begin!
RE: matty  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13926463 JonC said:
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I meant be back drafting in the top 10.

The logic behind picking at QB at #2 is absolutely sound, imv, but you've got to believe in the prospect(s) available at the same time. It doesn't make much sense to draft one of the sake of it, that pick has to make a big impact for this franchise to have success in the near and longer term.

Given that, my instinct is NYG will value Barkley/Chubb above the QBs, with the exception of Darnold. Only four more days until we find out.
Agreed. Though honestly if they don't love one of the QBs, they need to consider options for trading back to a QB desperate team who does. My choice at 2 is Barkley if Darnold isn't on the board, but considerations for value of QB would have me eyeing options to trade back for a haul of picks, especially if the landing spot left me in the top 6/7 (in position to select Barkley/Chubb/or Nelson).
Jim in Tampa  
joeinpa : 4/23/2018 1:16 pm : link
Jerry Goldstein?
If they don't draft a QB in round one, I'd prefer them just not draft  
Brown Recluse : 4/23/2018 1:19 pm : link
one at all. Too many other holes on the roster.

If Webb isn't the answer, then the path forward simply isn't known yet. I'm sure they'll do whatever they have to, should the right prospect come along...similar to how the Eagles acquired Carson Wentz.

In the end, as long as its the right guy...no one will care how he was acquired.
Uber  
JonC : 4/23/2018 1:19 pm : link
Given all the trade down chatter, it seems they're working to at least be positioned to do it.

I think #5 is the lowest they'd drop, any lower and their sights probably drop to Nelson but it's a gamble. And, if what we're hearing is accurate then they could be concerned about moving down and losing out on Chubb.

To me, moving to #4 makes sense if Barkley's gone and your prefer Chubb to any QB. But, if they're not sure the Browns pass on Chubb at #2 after a trade up, you can't make the deal and could be why we've heard Chubb to NYG at #2.
What is  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:20 pm : link
even more amusing is in the recent video of Papa talking with DG it shows him watching film of the Eagles game lol. He really wants to harp on Eli’s amazing play in one game. Although he also is shown watching a UCLA game.
Take Barkley or trade out for more picks  
TMS : 4/23/2018 1:23 pm : link
but stay in the top 6 or 7 to get an instant starter. Think we have to get that with our top pick, Would love Chubb or Nelson. Getting another #1 for next year works too.
I just  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:23 pm : link
don’t see the return on those trades being worth it. If teams are desperate get more. Not middle round picks. 1st rounders. What did we give for Eli? It’s really sounding like we are getting fleeced. I just gotta let it go lol. Passing on the QB is just to annoying to me. Hope I am utterly wrong.
Also  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:26 pm : link
discussions beforehand are almost ripping your hat that you aren’t going with one of the QBs. Which Buffalo can realize and not need to trade up to 2. If they get to 5, they end up with the QB Cleveland and the Jets didn’t take.
Tipping  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:26 pm : link
Not ripping sorry
Makes sense  
UberAlias : 4/23/2018 1:26 pm : link
But IMO, the thought of passing on Darnold to trade down for Chubb is a head scratcher. I like Chubb and all, but you have a supposed QB guru as a HC and Eli affording you time to develop a guy like Darnold, if you can't make that work with his skillsets under those conditions, you are never going to find a guy that meets your standards. Perfect prospects don't exist. The closes we've seen is Luck, and he's been out of commission. No sure things, and that goes for QBs, and non-QBs alike.
RE: Makes sense  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13926514 UberAlias said:
[quote] But IMO, the thought of passing on Darnold to trade down for Chubb is a head scratcher. I like Chubb and all, but you have a supposed QB guru as a HC and Eli affording you time to develop a guy like Darnold, if you can't make that work with his skillsets under those conditions, you are never going to find a guy that meets your standards. Perfect prospects don't exist. The closes we've seen is Luck, and he's been out of commission. No sure things, and that goes for QBs, and non-QBs alike. [/quote

Totally agree!!
My hope  
mattyblue : 4/23/2018 1:32 pm : link
here is that they are somehow either trying to get Cleveland to pick someone at 1 with all this talk, while they stay at 2 and get the QB they want. Assuming they have a good idea who Cleveland wants.
All I will say if you don’t take a QB  
Carl in CT : 4/23/2018 1:32 pm : link
You have to move down! If you don’t then you made a mistake! If you take a QB (I’m cool with that) if you don’t and move down (I’m good with that also). If we take Chubb at #2 we made a mistake. Not that he isn’t a good player but we didn’t maximize value.
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