going forward to replace Eli, if Davis Webb isn't the answer? I'd say short of a major injury to Eli, we won't be picking in the top 5-7 again, so do we take our chances drafting a lower rated QB in the 1st rd in a future draft. Do we look for a Jimmy Garoppolo type trade? Or do we go the FA QB route.
Lauletta in the 2nd would be a disaster.
The "plan" go the QB going forward would be fluid.
Or Justin Fields
I don't, Shurmur would have Barkley, Shepard and Engram as weapons, and I have confidence he'll establish a better offense than McAdoo.
If Eli is done and Webb proves he's not the answer in that year as well, the Giants are going to suck that season and get a high draft pick to find the next guy.
Profit!
Yea.. so how about we bypass all that noise and get our an now.
The reason I propose the scenarios above is if Eli plays out his contract and we aren't picking in the Top 10, it is under the presumption that he is still a capable starter with supporting cast and has not suffered an injury. It is blasphemous around here, but if those conditions exist, Eli could be extended for a 2 year contract. I would not rule out an extension after this year. If Eli has a great year under a competent coach and offense, DG might deem that Eli does indeed have years left.
Paulette doesn't have and NFL arm.
- We draft Barkely. We team him up with Beckham and Engram who will play the move tight end position predominantly and not as the in-line tight end. Assuming Eli plays 2 more years, I see all in their prime at that time and with a better offensive line built up, I don't think you need a stud QB with the skill positions stocked the way they are (nor could you afford a high profile free agent qb). Forecasting that, I think you do nothing this year and see how Webb is progressing (he needs to become #2 and as such, should see plenty of time this pre-season.) You could probably hedge your bet and grab another QB NEXT draft at around 3-4th round.
- We trade down. Again, with a bounty of picks we could probably stock a very good offensive line and still couple with Engram/Beckhum. I would probably be more conservative in counting on Webb without amazing talent at the skill positions and hedge my bet a different way. With the trade down, we would get a future 1. Until I'm very confident with Webb, I continue to trade that 1 into the future so at any time necessary, I have 2 #1's (that and our own) to move up in the draft to take a QB.
I have some confidence in Webb but I also know that the 1st replacement for Eli will have a hard time. That is why I'm somewhat reluctant to go #1 this year. I think it would be much easier for the replacement to come in if Eli retired gracefully or got hurt. I also think having someone (like Webb) to observe Eli for about 2 years to see how to conduct yourself as a QB in New York would be beneficial. Webb may have that luxury. You draft a QB with pick #2 and he needs to start at minimum next year.
You can point to Rodgers all you want but I think he was the 22nd pick in the draft and not the 2nd.
Graham vs. Brown
Brown vs. Kanell
Pisarcik vs. Whoever the hell he beat out
Plan B would be to hope we really suck next year while at the same time hope that the college QB crop is MUCH better than advertised. (It's not supposed to be on par with this year's QB class.)
Plan C would be to hope the next Kirk Cousins-type of QB shakes free so we can pay through the nose and tie up a good chunk of our cap.
With awesome options like these the Giants would be foolish to take a QB at 2.
I'm with this.
Trade down a few spots, pick up a #1 next year and/or multiple picks this year in rounds 2 and 3.
We need to acquire talent to build up the roster.........
Reminds me of the freshman kid from dazed and confused.
Jon, you mentioned on another thread that you didn’t see Jackson as an option. Is that your opinion or something you’ve heard?
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Reminds me of the freshman kid from dazed and confused.
Haha, good call
Jon I think you are one of the best posters I have read in all my time on BBI. However, I think you got that backwards, the longer Eli plays the better draft pick we will get lol. I know you have said Darnold I’d the only QB you think k the Giants like, but I just don’t get the logic of passing on all these QBs. It seems like you are kicking a large crater down the road. The odds of Webb being the answer is slim. When you have the opportunity to get a replacement for Eli without giving up a fortune is a blessing. It really feels like Gettleman is scared to take a QB. He keeps repeating that it sets the franchise back 5 years. How many years does it set the franchise back when we can’t find a QB? I hope I am wrong, but it seems like a horrendous decision to me.
Something like the Kent Graham, Danny Kanell era. Will have to rely heavily on Barkley (if that's the choice) or another and defense.
Maybe hit a one year wonder like a Hostetler ie yo win the big one.
I will meet you on the mountain to scream, or throw Gettleman off either way.
Thanks, appreciate the response. Makes a lot of sense.
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Reminds me of the freshman kid from dazed and confused.
Good call. I immediately saw the same.
The logic behind picking at QB at #2 is absolutely sound, imv, but you've got to believe in the prospect(s) available at the same time. It doesn't make much sense to draft one of the sake of it, that pick has to make a big impact for this franchise to have success in the near and longer term.
Given that, my instinct is NYG will value Barkley/Chubb above the QBs, with the exception of Darnold. Only four more days until we find out.
The logic behind picking at QB at #2 is absolutely sound, imv, but you've got to believe in the prospect(s) available at the same time. It doesn't make much sense to draft one of the sake of it, that pick has to make a big impact for this franchise to have success in the near and longer term.
Given that, my instinct is NYG will value Barkley/Chubb above the QBs, with the exception of Darnold. Only four more days until we find out.
I understand what you are saying, I just don’t see how the Giants don’t like any of these QBs and I think they are exaggerating how much football is left in Eli. However, as always I appreciate your thoughts. Let the depression begin!
The logic behind picking at QB at #2 is absolutely sound, imv, but you've got to believe in the prospect(s) available at the same time. It doesn't make much sense to draft one of the sake of it, that pick has to make a big impact for this franchise to have success in the near and longer term.
Given that, my instinct is NYG will value Barkley/Chubb above the QBs, with the exception of Darnold. Only four more days until we find out.
If Webb isn't the answer, then the path forward simply isn't known yet. I'm sure they'll do whatever they have to, should the right prospect come along...similar to how the Eagles acquired Carson Wentz.
In the end, as long as its the right guy...no one will care how he was acquired.
I think #5 is the lowest they'd drop, any lower and their sights probably drop to Nelson but it's a gamble. And, if what we're hearing is accurate then they could be concerned about moving down and losing out on Chubb.
To me, moving to #4 makes sense if Barkley's gone and your prefer Chubb to any QB. But, if they're not sure the Browns pass on Chubb at #2 after a trade up, you can't make the deal and could be why we've heard Chubb to NYG at #2.
[quote] But IMO, the thought of passing on Darnold to trade down for Chubb is a head scratcher. I like Chubb and all, but you have a supposed QB guru as a HC and Eli affording you time to develop a guy like Darnold, if you can't make that work with his skillsets under those conditions, you are never going to find a guy that meets your standards. Perfect prospects don't exist. The closes we've seen is Luck, and he's been out of commission. No sure things, and that goes for QBs, and non-QBs alike. [/quote
Totally agree!!