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disagree with me...within the 1st 6 picks there will be

I Love Clams Casino : 4/23/2018 1:38 pm
at least 2 busts if not 3.

I would consider a bust to be defined as "no Pro Bowls within the 1st 3 years of play"

but why only the 1st 3 years?  
SHO'NUFF : 4/23/2018 1:39 pm : link
does that mean Eli is a bust?
Terrible definition of bust  
ron mexico : 4/23/2018 1:43 pm : link
Particularly since 3 are almost guaranteed to be QBs
Agreed  
jvm52106 : 4/23/2018 1:44 pm : link
and some of these top QB's will turn out to be Heath Shuler like and fail out miserably.

RE: but why only the 1st 3 years?  
I Love Clams Casino : 4/23/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13926553 SHO'NUFF said:
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does that mean Eli is a bust?


to me personally, no to Giants fans no, but in this context , Yes. I love Eli, but if you could seriously go back to draft day 2004, you're not taking Rivers?
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firedbytheboss : 4/23/2018 1:46 pm : link
Gee, by that measure in 2009 CJ was awesome and Matt Ryan was a bust.
first 3 years?  
Amtoft : 4/23/2018 1:47 pm : link
Cleveland takes QB he is sitting at least one year... Giants take a QB and they are sitting at least one year. Then of the 4 QBs that will be taken they have to beat out the best QBs in the league to make the pro bowl or you call them a bust. If that is the case I will say at least 4 being all the QBs will be considered busts to you.
By your definition  
jlukes : 4/23/2018 1:52 pm : link
Eli Manning was a bust


I disagree with you  
jeff57 : 4/23/2018 1:53 pm : link
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RE: RE: but why only the 1st 3 years?  
Giant Fan Dan : 4/23/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13926573 I Love Clams Casino said:
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Quote:if you could seriously go back to draft day 2004, you're not taking Rivers?

I just lurk here but this has to be the dumbest goddamn thing I've ever seen posted on this board by a non-troll
Hahaha  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2018 2:00 pm : link
what a dumpster thread.

Even if you did think Rivers was the better player, why would the guarantee he same success Eli had? It’s quite possible we’d have 0 trophies with Rivers, certainly more likely than 2 or more.
I dare you  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2018 2:27 pm : link
to knock this battery off my shoulder
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I went back 10 years of drafts  
twostepgiants : 4/23/2018 2:32 pm : link
And only found 2 that meet your standard 2010 and 2011.

Im not sure what the point is. Basically every draft has been 3-4 players bust in top 6.
Jesus Christ  
I Love Clams Casino : 4/23/2018 2:38 pm : link
The thread is NOT about Eli....just change the definition of BUST to whatever your personal interpretation of what a bust is......forgive my tragic transgression here....
Within the top 6  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/23/2018 2:41 pm : link
there likely will be 2-3 busts - properly defined. At least if you look at history.
RE: RE: but why only the 1st 3 years?  
Boy Cord : 4/23/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13926573 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 13926553 SHO'NUFF said:


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does that mean Eli is a bust?



to me personally, no to Giants fans no, but in this context , Yes. I love Eli, but if you could seriously go back to draft day 2004, you're not taking Rivers?


No chance. You’re saying knowing what we know now. I’ll take the two trophies in hand. There is no guarantee Rivers would have won a Super Bowl with the Giants. Plus, not sure he would have succeeded in the big city. Eli all the way.
I think it's pretty clear from Ernie's book and subsequent comments  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2018 3:02 pm : link
that if their was no del to be made with SD, then Roethlisberger woul dhav ebeen the Giants pick. Rivers was not their guy.
What an arbitrary measurement.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/23/2018 3:04 pm : link
Pro bowls don't matter nearly enough to be the dividing line between a bust or not.
Sure, I think it's likely at least 2 of the guys picked won't make  
Mad Mike : 4/23/2018 3:11 pm : link
Pro Bowls in that window. I also think it's more than a little silly to say that will make them busts.
Eli Manning was a bust?  
Vanzetti : 4/23/2018 3:22 pm : link
By that definition they would be. I don't think Carl Banks made a browl bowl his first three years. (Might be wrong about that).

I think a bust taken in the first six picks is somebody who is not a full time starter by his third year.
As a general rule...  
BamaBlue : 4/23/2018 3:36 pm : link
I don’t count the pro bowl as any yardstick for the quality of a player. There are too many no shows and too many pity picks. The pro bowl is an exhibition game wrapped around a free trip to Hawaii...
RE: RE: but why only the 1st 3 years?  
mfsd : 4/23/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13926573 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 13926553 SHO'NUFF said:


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does that mean Eli is a bust?



to me personally, no to Giants fans no, but in this context , Yes. I love Eli, but if you could seriously go back to draft day 2004, you're not taking Rivers?


Huh?
RE: RE: but why only the 1st 3 years?  
FStubbs : 4/23/2018 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13926573 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 13926553 SHO'NUFF said:


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does that mean Eli is a bust?



to me personally, no to Giants fans no, but in this context , Yes. I love Eli, but if you could seriously go back to draft day 2004, you're not taking Rivers?


ROTFL!

Well ... technically we did take Rivers.
Another one.  
Giant John : 4/23/2018 7:45 pm : link
This thread is all the proof needed to show the draft should be the first Sat. In April.
Pro bowl  
lax counsel : 4/23/2018 10:42 pm : link
Is not necessarily the best measurement of a player, especially in the first three seasons.
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