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Best players never named all-stars (football, baseball)?

Beezer : 4/23/2018 3:37 pm

Looked at the thread saying if a player's not an All-Pro within 3 years, they're a bust.

Looking at it from the opposite side ...

1. Best NFL player to ever play who was never named All-Pro?

2. Best MLB player to ever play who was never named an All-Star? (Pitcher or everyday player.)

Kirk gibson

dep026 : 4/23/2018 3:40 pm : link

Baseball. I think he won MVP yet never made allnstar game.

All-Pro or All-Star?

Big Blue '56 : 4/23/2018 3:42 pm : link

Tiki was an All-Star, but never an All-Pro. I think.

Confusing question

figgy2989 : 4/23/2018 3:45 pm : link

All-Pro for football is a lot tougher then Pro Bowl (which is a popularity contest and now doesnt include participants who are in The Super Bowl)

Eli has never been an All-Pro

Yeah, forgot about the All-Pro/Pro Bowl thing.

Beezer : 4/23/2018 3:48 pm : link

Remind me of the difference? I mean, as far as how they get selected? Is one fan votes and the other peers or coaches?

Man there are a lot of people who could fit into the All-Pro category.

figgy2989 : 4/23/2018 3:49 pm : link

Big Ben has never been an All-Pro either

Kirk Gibson was never an All-Star?

Greg from LI : 4/23/2018 3:50 pm : link

That's really bizarre.

Part of the All-Pro confusion is there are multiple All-Pro teams

Greg from LI : 4/23/2018 3:53 pm : link

Generally, the AP team is the most widely used when referring to someone as "All-Pro", but the Sporting News names a team, the PFWA has one, PFF has one, UPI used to have one,

AP All-Pro

Chris684 : 4/23/2018 3:55 pm : link

Is the best individual honor an NFL player can receive for one season.

The Pro Bowl is useless.

Guy Carbonneau - Montreal Candiens

pjcas18 : 4/23/2018 3:56 pm : link

3 time Selke winner (best defensive forward) - and 6 more times in the top 5 for Selke voting and 3 time Stanley Cup winner, team captain for 5 years (for all the cups I think).

never made an all-star game.

For example

Greg from LI : 4/23/2018 3:59 pm : link

If you go to Harry Carson's Pro Football Reference page, he's not listed as an All-Pro because he never was first-team on the AP's All-Pro team. However, he was a first team All-Pro for the Sporting News in 1984 and PFW in 1981.

Keith Hamilton never even made a Pro Bowl

Greg from LI : 4/23/2018 4:00 pm : link

That's pretty mind-boggling.

well that and

Rocky369 : 4/23/2018 4:01 pm : link

The fifth alternate becomes a starter on the Pro Bowl team because no one else wanted to play, but now received Pro Bowl honors.

RE: Kirk Gibson was never an All-Star?

bluepepper : 4/23/2018 4:01 pm : link

In comment 13926788 Greg from LI said:

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That's really bizarre.

Just going by at his stats he was only a good player for 5 years. And never all that great. His MVP looks dubious in hindsight.

Mark Collins is the best player I can think of....

Milton : 4/23/2018 4:01 pm : link

...who never made a Pro Bowl.

While Gibson

Pete in MD : 4/23/2018 4:02 pm : link

is technically true, I'm pretty sure he turned down the ASG once or twice due to injury.

RE: While Gibson

Beezer : 4/23/2018 4:07 pm : link

In comment 13926817 Pete in MD said:

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is technically true, I'm pretty sure he turned down the ASG once or twice due to injury.

There's another question: If they were voted in, or named as a backup, and they turned it down due to injury, do they still get the "all-star" status in their permanent baseball record?

Never all that great?

Greg from LI : 4/23/2018 4:07 pm : link

Jeez, man, how high are your standards? Gibson was an excellent all-around player from 1984-88. Injuries took their toll at that point, but in his prime years he was great. Good OBP, good power, good speed.

RE: While Gibson

Greg from LI : 4/23/2018 4:09 pm : link

In comment 13926817 Pete in MD said:

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is technically true, I'm pretty sure he turned down the ASG once or twice due to injury.

Looked it up and you're right - Gibson was named as an AS in 1985 and 1988 but declined both times.

Looking at Gibson's career just now,

Beezer : 4/23/2018 4:10 pm : link

I think I'd categorize him a bit under the "great" line. More in the "very good" range for some years, with an iconic, insanely great moment.

RE: RE: While Gibson

Mad Mike : 4/23/2018 4:22 pm : link

In comment 13926829 Beezer said:

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There's another question: If they were voted in, or named as a backup, and they turned it down due to injury, do they still get the "all-star" status in their permanent baseball record?

Yeah, it's weird, to me at least, that Gibson isn't listed as an all-star the years he turned it down. I guess he wasn't voted in, but was instead invited by the manager, and since he turned it down it was never "official". Still though, by a reasonable definition of all-star, he qualified those years.

This thread reminds me of the

Gman11 : 4/23/2018 5:14 pm : link

old Red Buttons bit during the celebrity roasts.

Kirk Gibson, who got caught trying to steal first base, never got a dinner!
Red Buttons - ( New Window )

Tony Phillips

giantsFC : 4/24/2018 12:46 am : link

This guy could play anywhere.

For a more personal note: Mookie Wilson.

Football much harder to grade due to their whacky use of pro bowl this and all pro that.
Maybe Steve Deberg.