Does anyone know the latest asshat info?

In comment 13926997 Giants34 said:

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That He believes Rosen is who the Giants are targeting. So, everyone can take that or discard that, but he believes that to be the case, so that at least seems noteworthy.

Hoping so!

I have no idea why when someone who runs a draft website makes those statements it seems to get no traction in here. But so be it.

The trade tidbits are coming from Buffalos camp.....

There was a non confirm request by William Gay asking for #26 and was told it was reserved.

A 3 way trade with Buffalo, Cleveland and the Giants was also rumored.

Who knows what will happen.....

I hope Thursday night is entertaining and will last more than 10 min.

with a new regime, you have to wonder about the asshats contacts. New GM, new coach, many new assistants, new director of college scouting.

Right now - if the asshat's contact was a scout or one of the owners their info could be solid.

If their contact was media or agents, their info is no more reliable than what we would get on Twitter.

I'm reluctant to carry over grades on asshats from previous regimes. They all kind of have to earn their reputations as reliable asshats anew, imo.

In comment 13927003 Giants34 said:

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I have no idea why when someone who runs a draft website makes those statements it seems to get no traction in here. But so be it.

because its not what the majority of BBIers want to hear.

I agree with you. Its interesting.

There didnt seem to be that much a BBI reaction when Sy graded Rosen with his highest QB rating by far in 5 years.

a minor item I heard from a reliable source.

Vanderbilt OLB Oren Burks was taken to dinner by Giant coach(es) following his Pro Day and is on their board.

This is following the highest of recommendations from Vanderbilt QB Kyle Shurmur (our HC's son)

No question that Oren Burks is the All American boy. Very high character, outstanding student, team captain, etc.

I watched a few tapes, and to me his tackling skills are very average. Most sites consider him a 4th rounder.

In comment 13927007 George from PA said:

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The trade tidbits are coming from Buffalos camp..... There was a non confirm request by William Gay asking for #26 and was told it was reserved. A 3 way trade with Buffalo, Cleveland and the Giants was also rumored. Who knows what will happen..... I hope Thursday night is entertaining and will last more than 10 min.

The William Gay number thing reminds me of when Francesca said on air a rumor that there was a ton of New York Knicks LeBron orders shipped to NY for the day of announcement.

an interesting year for the draft. I have enjoyed most of the discussions with everyone and reading the arguments are always great. I somehow have �quit on Eli� because I would like the Giants to draft a QB lol.

If they draft a QB....they must have conviction.....

as the media has set it up as its
Eli vs. the new guy.

All hands on deck to win Eli another Lombardi

Or

Rebuild

I have no idea why anyone is speaking in absolutes. What I do know is - like TwoSteps said - this administration has been pretty good about keeping things on the DL. The Ogletree and JPP trades came out of nowhere. The media had no leads on who was the coaching favorite. Even Hitdog has said this is the least he has heard in years.

I'm on board with Rosen, and I hope Colin is right. I'm also not naive enough to believe that Barkley is - without a doubt - a smokescreen. I just can't believe that with the Giants coming off a 3-13 season, that the new administration would think we are in a position to draft a RB with the second overall pick.

Him and Hitdog are good sources.

In comment 13927037 George from PA said:

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If they draft a QB....they must have conviction..... as the media has set it up as its Eli vs. the new guy. All hands on deck to win Eli another Lombardi Or Rebuild

So you think a 3-13 team in one running back away from the Super Bowl? Seems like a stretch, I think they certainly will try to win, but I don�t know if we are contenders right now. Eli is experienced enough and mature enough to understand that time marches on. He will play until he gets pulled for a better option. Rodgers sat for 3 years.

believe Colin was really taking a guess, and not staying it as a definite. He is an awesome source of information. Love his sight and when he stops over here. I want Rosen but I haven�t heard any leaks from any of the informed guys that imply the Giants will take him.

In comment 13927054 mattyblue said:

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believe Colin was really taking a guess, and not staying it as a definite. He is an awesome source of information. Love his sight and when he stops over here. I want Rosen but I haven�t heard any leaks from any of the informed guys that imply the Giants will take him.

Absolutely correct. He acknowledged as much. He gleaned as much information as he could from his sources - which also said Darnold to the Browns despite all the Allen nonsense floating around at the time - and read the tea leaves, which involved the work we put into scouting the QBs and Mara flying across the county to have dinner with Rosen. But, as he said, there are never any certainties in the draft process, and those were his thoughts.

We have people parading around here as if it is a damn certainty that the Giants are passing on a QB. Could they? Sure. And I'm sure if they do, those people will come on here Thursday Night and say "I told you so". But right now those people don't know that the Giants don't want a QB. Or that the only QB they want is Darnold. Is it possible? Sure. But an absolute certainty? No. And I respect JonC and the others who have provided information in the past. This is not a knock against them.

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In comment 13927054 mattyblue said: Quote: believe Colin was really taking a guess, and not staying it as a definite. He is an awesome source of information. Love his sight and when he stops over here. I want Rosen but I haven�t heard any leaks from any of the informed guys that imply the Giants will take him. Absolutely correct. He acknowledged as much. He gleaned as much information as he could from his sources - which also said Darnold to the Browns despite all the Allen nonsense floating around at the time - and read the tea leaves, which involved the work we put into scouting the QBs and Mara flying across the county to have dinner with Rosen. But, as he said, there are never any certainties in the draft process, and those were his thoughts. We have people parading around here as if it is a damn certainty that the Giants are passing on a QB. Could they? Sure. And I'm sure if they do, those people will come on here Thursday Night and say "I told you so". But right now those people don't know that the Giants don't want a QB. Or that the only QB they want is Darnold. Is it possible? Sure. But an absolute certainty? No. And I respect JonC and the others who have provided information in the past. This is not a knock against them.

Just saw this tweet from Matt Miller which was particularly interesting to me given what Colin had heard:

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The late swing of information sending Josh Rosen to the Jets is interesting. Careful who you trust this time of year...but that pick does make a lot of sense for Bates' offense.
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has been pretty clear that his guess is Darnold/Chubb/Barkley. A few other posters have taken the Slade style and just post vague stuff and then disappear. But all in all you are totally correct

but Slade has said that Apple will be shopped along with Flowers during the draft.

as the season ended people were saying Darnold- Browns Rosen-Giants. Now with the media deciding that we are drafting Barkley I would have to assume the Jets would take Rosen, maybe Mayfield, but I think if they get that option they take Rosen. I am hoping the Giants don�t let them get that choice.

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But the Bills General Manager recently denied a report that the Giants and Bills have the framework in place for a trade. �I don�t get into that, but that�s not true,� Beane told One Bills Live, via Ryan Talbot of Yahoo. �I�m going to leave it at that.�

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/23/report-bills-unlikely-to-trade-up-to-no-2/ - ( New Window )

but I�m happy we�re not seeing leaks from inside the front office. I can wait until Thursday night

In comment 13927095 Diver_Down said:

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but Slade has said that Apple will be shopped along with Flowers during the draft.

New sources

In comment 13927147 Ivan15 said:

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New sources

Fwiw the color did not change with regards to free agency and the ability to dispel bogus rumors- but the draft as have mentioned - is a noticeable change

In comment 13926967 mattyblue said:

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Stated that picks 1,2, and 3 would be QBs but he didn�t say who or if the Giants are still at 2.

Sorry to leave you hanging Matty. I saw you and bceagle asked for me to elaborate but I didn't have the chance to respond. I since have but to save you a few clicks, whether NYG is there or not the consensus among the people I've talked with are saying they are expecting 3 QBs in the top 3..

In comment 13926989 UberAlias said:

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And won�t tell him until Wednesday night.

Won�t tell him even after the pick is made.

Much appreciated.

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In comment 13926989 UberAlias said: Quote: And won�t tell him until Wednesday night. Vontae Mack no matter what

Unless he�s eating his pancakes and thinking of moving #1.

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In comment 13926972 GiantsAlwaysAndForever said: Quote: Once we get that, we'll know. JonC has always been a good source of info here.

I keep hearing that, but I haven't seen it. No disrespect to the gentleman. But can you name me a time or two where he called something?

And I wear a hat. Does that count?

In comment 13927087 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 13927064 Giants34 said: Quote: In comment 13927054 mattyblue said: Quote: believe Colin was really taking a guess, and not staying it as a definite. He is an awesome source of information. Love his sight and when he stops over here. I want Rosen but I haven�t heard any leaks from any of the informed guys that imply the Giants will take him. Absolutely correct. He acknowledged as much. He gleaned as much information as he could from his sources - which also said Darnold to the Browns despite all the Allen nonsense floating around at the time - and read the tea leaves, which involved the work we put into scouting the QBs and Mara flying across the county to have dinner with Rosen. But, as he said, there are never any certainties in the draft process, and those were his thoughts. We have people parading around here as if it is a damn certainty that the Giants are passing on a QB. Could they? Sure. And I'm sure if they do, those people will come on here Thursday Night and say "I told you so". But right now those people don't know that the Giants don't want a QB. Or that the only QB they want is Darnold. Is it possible? Sure. But an absolute certainty? No. And I respect JonC and the others who have provided information in the past. This is not a knock against them. Just saw this tweet from Matt Miller which was particularly interesting to me given what Colin had heard: Matt Miller ‏ Verified account @nfldraftscout Following Following @nfldraftscout More The late swing of information sending Josh Rosen to the Jets is interesting. Careful who you trust this time of year...but that pick does make a lot of sense for Bates' offense. Link - ( New Window )

This is my biggest fear:
DG passes on Rosen who goes on to become a top 5-10 QB with the Jets while the NYG toil in qb hell.

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In comment 13927147 Ivan15 said: Quote: New sources Fwiw the color did not change with regards to free agency and the ability to dispel bogus rumors- but the draft as have mentioned - is a noticeable change

Thanks so much for sharing, both you and Peppers. It certainly appears that there is a standoff between what Peppers and Colin (and the fact that Hitdog is hearing little) with JT Giants insisting on Chubb or Barkley. I guess we'll see who is right on Thursday. I think everyone knows where I stand at this point.

In comment 13927235 Peppers said:

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In comment 13926967 mattyblue said: Quote: Stated that picks 1,2, and 3 would be QBs but he didn�t say who or if the Giants are still at 2. Sorry to leave you hanging Matty. I saw you and bceagle asked for me to elaborate but I didn't have the chance to respond. I since have but to save you a few clicks, whether NYG is there or not the consensus among the people I've talked with are saying they are expecting 3 QBs in the top 3..

The maximized value of our #2 pick is a QB considering how much teams are willing to pay for someone they envision as the field general of their team the next 10-15 years.

If we have decided to go non QB, our ideal scenario is to slight trade down with a team salivating for a QB and then get Barkley. Next would be one of the remaining blue chips in Chubb/Nelson.

Peppers, JonC, and Hitdog always appreciated!

the know, that the Giants are going to select a player in the first round and also in subsequent rounds also.

just passing it along.

I trust JonC, who says it's probably either Barkley or Darnold depending on what Cleveland does.

In comment 13927425 Giants34 said:

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In comment 13927184 hitdog42 said: Quote: In comment 13927147 Ivan15 said: Quote: New sources Fwiw the color did not change with regards to free agency and the ability to dispel bogus rumors- but the draft as have mentioned - is a noticeable change Thanks so much for sharing, both you and Peppers. It certainly appears that there is a standoff between what Peppers and Colin (and the fact that Hitdog is hearing little) with JT Giants insisting on Chubb or Barkley. I guess we'll see who is right on Thursday. I think everyone knows where I stand at this point.

Nothing really substantial yet from NYG. Gettleman is keeping his cards close to his chest.. But there's a lot of time from now until Thursday night. Lets see if something slips through the cracks.

I've been fortunate in the past to hear many of our draft picks in the first two rounds and shared them here, buried in threads often during the draft itself. I'm the one who had the scoop on the trade up for Landon Collins, shared news of the interest in Flowers the first week of March before he was drafted, had Engram's name while on the clock last year, and other draft targets who were shortlisted among others as recent examples.

I had the interest in Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson a couple weeks before the beat began reporting it this year.

But, things are different this year, between the front office changes and my friends needing to also keep things close to the vest during this time of change.

Also, to be quite frank, a healthy portion of this forum doesn't deserve any scoops. Problems that run rampant in our society are out in the open here, I'll leave it at that.

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or hearing what I want to hear, but all of the reports are that the giants are being very hush and things are way quieter than years past. Yet, the one thing they�ve said is that they love Barkley and he�s a perfect prospect. Why make that known if you are clearly trying to keep things quiet? Maybe it�s just wishful thinking, but I still feel we go QB. All of the signs point towards qb, all of the words point towards Barkley.

They are all different. Skill sets, demeanor, injury history, off field stuff. Who fits NYG best?

The thing about Barkley is he seems to fit NYG. He is super clean on and off the field. You can say RB is not worth the 2nd pick but there is no consensus on 1 QB. I think Darnold is the best from a potential standpoint. He has a play making ability but with that has turned the ball over a lot.

Rosen seems to be most ready but to me may not be a fit with his personality.

I know Eli is getting up there in years. I think he can still play at a high level. I also understand the need to get his successor. The biggest question mark to me is Davis Webb. It should prevent NYG from drafting a better young prospect, but are any of them better?

Remember, there are layers to the scouting set up and the front office, it depends where the reporter is sourcing his info and when.

I don't doubt he's held in the utmost regard, but the value of a franchise QB cannot be overstated, especially picking in the rare spot of #2 overall. The question remains do they see one, word has not gotten out.

In comment 13927516 JonC said:

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You're slacking. You had one job to do!!!

Lol, but I think your diagnosis that Darnold 1 and Barkley 2 is pretty spot on.

But I have a suspicion the plan has been QB all along. The silence on the QBs is the giveaway. Consider why are the views on QBs such a guarded secret? Its not like we are hearing bad things, only silence.

When you look at the totality of the team and how far they are removed from '11, Eli being the last remaining starter from SB team, the end of the streak and all they went through last year, the hiring of a new Head coach, a New GM --it's just time for a clean start for the franchise. The choice in QB and OC with histories in grooming QBs is not a coincidence and not about "fixing" your 37 year old QB or making a run with him. That ship sailed a year ago when they came in with SB aspirations that culminated in a 3-win season. We saw the intention to develop Webb a year ago. They'll employ same strategy now, only with a QB of their choice.

When you take a step back from all the noise around the draft, this is the one logical narrative.

In comment 13927563 UberAlias said:

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But I have a suspicion the plan has been QB all along. The silence on the QBs is the giveaway. Consider why are the views on QBs such a guarded secret? Its not like we are hearing bad things, only silence. When you look at the totality of the team and how far they are removed from '11, Eli being the last remaining starter from SB team, the end of the streak and all they went through last year, the hiring of a new Head coach, a New GM --it's just time for a clean start for the franchise. The choice in QB and OC with histories in grooming QBs is not a coincidence and not about "fixing" your 37 year old QB or making a run with him. That ship sailed a year ago when they came in with SB aspirations that culminated in a 3-win season. We saw the intention to develop Webb a year ago. They'll employ same strategy now, only with a QB of their choice. When you take a step back from all the noise around the draft, this is the one logical narrative.

Unless they really have a hard on for a QB other than Darnold, I don�t buy it. I want Rosen, but other than reading about the attention he got at his pro day, nothing has been reported linking him to the NYG. All we see is it�s Darnold, who we likely won�t have a shot at, or Barkley/Chubb.

Yes, and that silence is exactly why it makes sense. They've sealed any info on the QBs air tight. Why is that?

In comment 13927513 JonC said:

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I've been fortunate in the past to hear many of our draft picks in the first two rounds and shared them here, buried in threads often during the draft itself. I'm the one who had the scoop on the trade up for Landon Collins, shared news of the interest in Flowers the first week of March before he was drafted, had Engram's name while on the clock last year, and other draft targets who were shortlisted among others as recent examples. I had the interest in Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson a couple weeks before the beat began reporting it this year. But, things are different this year, between the front office changes and my friends needing to also keep things close to the vest during this time of change. Also, to be quite frank, a healthy portion of this forum doesn't deserve any scoops. Problems that run rampant in our society are out in the open here, I'll leave it at that.

Thank you, brother. Hope you�re wrong about this year�s selection (I want a QB), but I appreciate the insight.

In comment 13927513 JonC said:

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I've been fortunate in the past to hear many of our draft picks in the first two rounds and shared them here, buried in threads often during the draft itself. I'm the one who had the scoop on the trade up for Landon Collins, shared news of the interest in Flowers the first week of March before he was drafted, had Engram's name while on the clock last year, and other draft targets who were shortlisted among others as recent examples. I had the interest in Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson a couple weeks before the beat began reporting it this year. But, things are different this year, between the front office changes and my friends needing to also keep things close to the vest during this time of change. Also, to be quite frank, a healthy portion of this forum doesn't deserve any scoops. Problems that run rampant in our society are out in the open here, I'll leave it at that.

I'll be one of the first to say thanks to you - and all the others - who share the scoops they hear. It's what makes this board fun.

In comment 13927513 JonC said:

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I've been fortunate in the past to hear many of our draft picks in the first two rounds and shared them here, buried in threads often during the draft itself. I'm the one who had the scoop on the trade up for Landon Collins, shared news of the interest in Flowers the first week of March before he was drafted, had Engram's name while on the clock last year, and other draft targets who were shortlisted among others as recent examples. I had the interest in Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson a couple weeks before the beat began reporting it this year. But, things are different this year, between the front office changes and my friends needing to also keep things close to the vest during this time of change. Also, to be quite frank, a healthy portion of this forum doesn't deserve any scoops. Problems that run rampant in our society are out in the open here, I'll leave it at that.

JonC, just know that I,along with much of BBI, am grateful with everything that you have shared. You are one of the bright spots of this site. Keep doing what you�re doing.

In comment 13927577 The_Boss said:

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In comment 13927563 UberAlias said: Quote: But I have a suspicion the plan has been QB all along. The silence on the QBs is the giveaway. Consider why are the views on QBs such a guarded secret? Its not like we are hearing bad things, only silence. When you look at the totality of the team and how far they are removed from '11, Eli being the last remaining starter from SB team, the end of the streak and all they went through last year, the hiring of a new Head coach, a New GM --it's just time for a clean start for the franchise. The choice in QB and OC with histories in grooming QBs is not a coincidence and not about "fixing" your 37 year old QB or making a run with him. That ship sailed a year ago when they came in with SB aspirations that culminated in a 3-win season. We saw the intention to develop Webb a year ago. They'll employ same strategy now, only with a QB of their choice. When you take a step back from all the noise around the draft, this is the one logical narrative. Unless they really have a hard on for a QB other than Darnold, I don�t buy it. I want Rosen, but other than reading about the attention he got at his pro day, nothing has been reported linking him to the NYG. All we see is it�s Darnold, who we likely won�t have a shot at, or Barkley/Chubb.

The owner flying across the country to have dinner with Rosen is a little bit of a link.

1. Ralph V cited a Giants source who told him the Giants liked Rosen best at Combine and then recently told him to not rule him out.

2. Colin cited a source saying the Browns think Giants/jets both want Rosen and are angling to get a trade.

3. Rosen is only one confirmed to have had dinner with Tisch and John Mara. Mara flew to California for Rosen dinner but maybe didnt attend Darnold? (We couldnt get Mara in building for Eli benching and Tisch only attended 1 HC interview)

4. Giants have had unusual amount of assets into Rosen. He had 2 2-day visits including dinner as mentioned with owners and dinner with coaching staff. he was in for private workout heavily attended. Giants had huge contingent at Pro Day and Gettleman interviewed at Combine.