I think Serby has nailed this - it’s Plan Eli all the way with Jints Central.
Mara and Accorsi concocted this plan. Now Gettleman and Shurmur have been tasked to execute Plan Eli.
That's exactly what it is bw, you nailed it. Shurmur really only has an until Eli retires contract. Solder was signed for 4 years, but if you look really close at the fine print, the contract voids as soon as Eli retires and ogletree, we didn't acquire him because he was 26, noooo we traded for him because when Eli retires we can trade him and get a draft pick back.
I also heard rumors that we will be trading all of our draft picks for the next 2 years and will be acquiring players like james Harrison, Terence Newman, deangelo hall, whitworth and maybe we convince joe Thomas to unretire.
You figured out the master plan, the cats out of the bag now
That will set the Giants back for a decade. How can you plug all the holes around a now below average qb taking up elite qb cap space. If he's making that much, he needs to cover for those deficiencies. But he hasn't and will continue not to cover.
How any fan has confidence in this organization right now is beyond me. They've been poorly run for a more than a half decade. It's going to be sickening watching Wentz on a cost controlled contract tear into the Giants for the next couple of years.
This is why you don't let reporters pick teh players Â
They can only think about the next week and feel a need to want results the next day. Serby's beliefs of Giants success is laughable. Typical of a media that over-hypes everything.
This team cannot win this year and after this year- owes Eli NOTHING.
then absolutely. Reload and take another shot with your 32 year old quarterback only two years removed from a championship. But guess what? Whoever you would like to blame, the fact is that the Giants have blown the last five years and there is no mulligan. It is time to move forward and if the Giants pass on a quarterback on Thursday night out of loyalty to Eli or because they have deluded themselves into thinking he can still be an elite player if surrounded with enough talent, then that is a true dereliction of management's duty to the franchise. Poor management and poor strategic vision has created this mess the team finds itself in and if Eli Manning is any factor at all in the decision of who to draft on Thursday night, that would just represent more of the same garbage. If they don't believe in any of the quarterbacks, then they should not take one. But if the decision is at all based on Eli Manning's current presence on the roster, then it will be an incredibly flawed and short-sighted decision.
Has little or nothing to do with Eli two years from now Eli is gone in almost ever scenario the only reason he is still here today is contractually they are screwed.
How any fan has confidence in this organization right now is beyond me. They've been poorly run for a more than a half decade. It's going to be sickening watching Wentz on a cost controlled contract tear into the Giants for the next couple of years.
It's really longer than half a decade. The 2011-12 team was 9-7, slipped into the playoffs on the last day, and had the magic of magic carpet rides to win it all. That team was the definition of ordinary.
And let's be honest, the team that dethroned the undefeated Pats in 2008 was good - not great - and had enough serendipity to last a lifetime. This organization hasn't been consistently good since the 80s. And much of that stems from ownership...
How any fan has confidence in this organization right now is beyond me. They've been poorly run for a more than a half decade. It's going to be sickening watching Wentz on a cost controlled contract tear into the Giants for the next couple of years.
It's really longer than half a decade. The 2011-12 team was 9-7, slipped into the playoffs on the last day, and had the magic of magic carpet rides to win it all. That team was the definition of ordinary.
And let's be honest, the team that dethroned the undefeated Pats in 2008 was good - not great - and had enough serendipity to last a lifetime. This organization hasn't been consistently good since the 80s. And much of that stems from ownership...
Fair enough. I was giving credence to the two runs. But looking at the bigger picture, they've only won playoff games in 2 seasons under Eli. I think a change is warranted.
How any fan has confidence in this organization right now is beyond me. They've been poorly run for a more than a half decade. It's going to be sickening watching Wentz on a cost controlled contract tear into the Giants for the next couple of years.
It's really longer than half a decade. The 2011-12 team was 9-7, slipped into the playoffs on the last day, and had the magic of magic carpet rides to win it all. That team was the definition of ordinary.
And let's be honest, the team that dethroned the undefeated Pats in 2008 was good - not great - and had enough serendipity to last a lifetime. This organization hasn't been consistently good since the 80s. And much of that stems from ownership...
These posts get better by the minute. Let me guess, given the choice between the cowboys or even the packers over the last 10 years and the giants you would rather the last 10 years of cowboys or packers???
Wahhhh wahhhh we weren't dominant, we got lucky, blah blah blah....here is a fact for you
2 Superbowl championships and 1 of those was by defeating an undefeated team
The packers for all of their dominance and talented roster plus playing in a weak nfc north have 1 Lombardi trophy to show for their efforts. When was the last time the cowboys won anything meaningful despite all of their talent??
The giants have had issues evaluating talent replenishing the roster and guess what, they fired those guys and brought in New ones.
I think Serby has nailed this - it’s Plan Eli all the way with Jints Central.
Mara and Accorsi concocted this plan. Now Gettleman and Shurmur have been tasked to execute Plan Eli.
That's exactly what it is bw, you nailed it. Shurmur really only has an until Eli retires contract. Solder was signed for 4 years, but if you look really close at the fine print, the contract voids as soon as Eli retires and ogletree, we didn't acquire him because he was 26, noooo we traded for him because when Eli retires we can trade him and get a draft pick back.
I also heard rumors that we will be trading all of our draft picks for the next 2 years and will be acquiring players like james Harrison, Terence Newman, deangelo hall, whitworth and maybe we convince joe Thomas to unretire.
You figured out the master plan, the cats out of the bag now
Can we get an IP check here please?
And that's coming from someone who is in favor of drafting a QB.
how supposedly intelligent posters actually believe Mara is pulling the strings on this team and is giving mandates on what has to be done, especially since he just blew up the operations from last year.
But regaling us about good old "Jints Central" is always a fascinating read....
This draft isn’t about Eli
This draft isn’t about Eli
This draft isn’t about Eli
Or at least it shouldn’t be. And i don’t think the giants are as stupid as some might believe. If they love a qb there is no doubt in my mind that Eli would be the last thing on gettleman and mara’s mind. They’d take him.
Is on the back nine heading to the 18th hole. Time for his successor to be groomed. This team should be in rebuild mode. There are way too many holes on both sides of the line to think that this team could go much better then .500 and I am being generous there. The signing of a 30 year old left tackle(Yeah,I realize we need him)along with a 32 year old running back and a 32 year old corner confirms my disbelief that Gettleman thinks that this team can contend this season. My question is,contend for what?
Bw and some others are going down the rabbit hole Â
Of conspiracy bullshit. It’s nonsense. Mara wants to fix his brand. He wants to spend less money on his new qb while at the same time sure things up for next decade or more. He cares about the fans but you’re nuts to think he’s more concerned about the PR from drafting a qb. And the PR wouldn’t even be bad as nearly every nyg fan out there wants a qb.
Mara is compromising his business model if he passes on a qb for loyalties to Eli. It’s all about the money. Oh I forgot Mara is trying to make amends for the mcadoo Eli fiasco... lol right. He had 5 fucking days to stop that benching yet turned a blind eye. Why?? Why did he do nothing then? Riddle me that! Five days this town went ape shit. Mara did NOTHING.
And this article is no exception. I’ve said it before, going “all in” on Eli is a mistake. In the next 2 years, is this team realistically passing most of these teams in the nfc: Philly, Dallas, Green Bay, Minnesota, New Orleans, Atlanta, Carolina, LA, SF, and (perhaps) Detroit and/or Seattle?
Unless we draft a QB, in spite of flaws in them all, as noted in BBI,and only Rosen the one most likely to be able to step right in, it's all about Eli.
Regardless of the fact that we need 2, but at least 1 OL, an ER, a LB, a DB or S, a versatile RB, and more; in spite of the infamous BPA in the ENTIRE draft likely falling into our laps in Barkley; and in spite of most everybody agreeing that our OL has been a skid mark on the teams shorts since mid 2012 and hasn't given Eli the support to properly run either OCs offense; if they don't draft a QB, it's all about Eli.
It's all about the 2018 Giants, and forward, returning to Giants football, and winning ways ASAP.
Whoever best does that, he/,they will be the pick.
And this article is no exception. I’ve said it before, going “all in” on Eli is a mistake. In the next 2 years, is this team realistically passing most of these teams in the nfc: Philly, Dallas, Green Bay, Minnesota, New Orleans, Atlanta, Carolina, LA, SF, and (perhaps) Detroit and/or Seattle?
Right or wrong if current Giant thinking is get 2 more years minimum out of Eli and-or make a run, a QB at 2 may not make sense.
Extend the career of Eli Manning and give him one last legitimate chance to win that third Super Bowl.
Are we trying to win a 3rd Super Bowl FOR Eli Manning or is we trying to win a 5th Super Bowl for the New York Giants?
Gee, really?
And it shows.
Reactive, not proactive. Same as it ever was.
Mara and Accorsi concocted this plan. Now Gettleman and Shurmur have been tasked to execute Plan Eli.
Mara and Accorsi concocted this plan. Now Gettleman and Shurmur have been tasked to execute Plan Eli.
That's exactly what it is bw, you nailed it. Shurmur really only has an until Eli retires contract. Solder was signed for 4 years, but if you look really close at the fine print, the contract voids as soon as Eli retires and ogletree, we didn't acquire him because he was 26, noooo we traded for him because when Eli retires we can trade him and get a draft pick back.
I also heard rumors that we will be trading all of our draft picks for the next 2 years and will be acquiring players like james Harrison, Terence Newman, deangelo hall, whitworth and maybe we convince joe Thomas to unretire.
You figured out the master plan, the cats out of the bag now
How any fan has confidence in this organization right now is beyond me. They've been poorly run for a more than a half decade. It's going to be sickening watching Wentz on a cost controlled contract tear into the Giants for the next couple of years.
This team cannot win this year and after this year- owes Eli NOTHING.
Reactive, not proactive. Same as it ever was.
The fact that so many don't realize this, even possibly the team itself is terrifying.
How any fan has confidence in this organization right now is beyond me. They've been poorly run for a more than a half decade. It's going to be sickening watching Wentz on a cost controlled contract tear into the Giants for the next couple of years.
It's really longer than half a decade. The 2011-12 team was 9-7, slipped into the playoffs on the last day, and had the magic of magic carpet rides to win it all. That team was the definition of ordinary.
And let's be honest, the team that dethroned the undefeated Pats in 2008 was good - not great - and had enough serendipity to last a lifetime. This organization hasn't been consistently good since the 80s. And much of that stems from ownership...
He’s a real twit, no doubt
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How any fan has confidence in this organization right now is beyond me. They've been poorly run for a more than a half decade. It's going to be sickening watching Wentz on a cost controlled contract tear into the Giants for the next couple of years.
It's really longer than half a decade. The 2011-12 team was 9-7, slipped into the playoffs on the last day, and had the magic of magic carpet rides to win it all. That team was the definition of ordinary.
And let's be honest, the team that dethroned the undefeated Pats in 2008 was good - not great - and had enough serendipity to last a lifetime. This organization hasn't been consistently good since the 80s. And much of that stems from ownership...
Fair enough. I was giving credence to the two runs. But looking at the bigger picture, they've only won playoff games in 2 seasons under Eli. I think a change is warranted.
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How any fan has confidence in this organization right now is beyond me. They've been poorly run for a more than a half decade. It's going to be sickening watching Wentz on a cost controlled contract tear into the Giants for the next couple of years.
It's really longer than half a decade. The 2011-12 team was 9-7, slipped into the playoffs on the last day, and had the magic of magic carpet rides to win it all. That team was the definition of ordinary.
And let's be honest, the team that dethroned the undefeated Pats in 2008 was good - not great - and had enough serendipity to last a lifetime. This organization hasn't been consistently good since the 80s. And much of that stems from ownership...
These posts get better by the minute. Let me guess, given the choice between the cowboys or even the packers over the last 10 years and the giants you would rather the last 10 years of cowboys or packers???
Wahhhh wahhhh we weren't dominant, we got lucky, blah blah blah....here is a fact for you
2 Superbowl championships and 1 of those was by defeating an undefeated team
The packers for all of their dominance and talented roster plus playing in a weak nfc north have 1 Lombardi trophy to show for their efforts. When was the last time the cowboys won anything meaningful despite all of their talent??
The giants have had issues evaluating talent replenishing the roster and guess what, they fired those guys and brought in New ones.
Give me lombardi's over dominance every time!!!
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I think Serby has nailed this - it’s Plan Eli all the way with Jints Central.
Mara and Accorsi concocted this plan. Now Gettleman and Shurmur have been tasked to execute Plan Eli.
That's exactly what it is bw, you nailed it. Shurmur really only has an until Eli retires contract. Solder was signed for 4 years, but if you look really close at the fine print, the contract voids as soon as Eli retires and ogletree, we didn't acquire him because he was 26, noooo we traded for him because when Eli retires we can trade him and get a draft pick back.
I also heard rumors that we will be trading all of our draft picks for the next 2 years and will be acquiring players like james Harrison, Terence Newman, deangelo hall, whitworth and maybe we convince joe Thomas to unretire.
You figured out the master plan, the cats out of the bag now
Can we get an IP check here please?
And that's coming from someone who is in favor of drafting a QB.
But regaling us about good old "Jints Central" is always a fascinating read....
This draft isn’t about Eli
This draft isn’t about Eli
Or at least it shouldn’t be. And i don’t think the giants are as stupid as some might believe. If they love a qb there is no doubt in my mind that Eli would be the last thing on gettleman and mara’s mind. They’d take him.
Mara is compromising his business model if he passes on a qb for loyalties to Eli. It’s all about the money. Oh I forgot Mara is trying to make amends for the mcadoo Eli fiasco... lol right. He had 5 fucking days to stop that benching yet turned a blind eye. Why?? Why did he do nothing then? Riddle me that! Five days this town went ape shit. Mara did NOTHING.
Please.
Regardless of the fact that we need 2, but at least 1 OL, an ER, a LB, a DB or S, a versatile RB, and more; in spite of the infamous BPA in the ENTIRE draft likely falling into our laps in Barkley; and in spite of most everybody agreeing that our OL has been a skid mark on the teams shorts since mid 2012 and hasn't given Eli the support to properly run either OCs offense; if they don't draft a QB, it's all about Eli.
It's all about the 2018 Giants, and forward, returning to Giants football, and winning ways ASAP.
Whoever best does that, he/,they will be the pick.
Right or wrong if current Giant thinking is get 2 more years minimum out of Eli and-or make a run, a QB at 2 may not make sense.