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Year three: How does BBI feel about Vernon?

Route 9 : 4/24/2018 7:17 am
I know everyone is going hog wild over the draft and I don't really have a point really, just curious on what others think about him around here.

I see on the BBI depth chart he is listed as an Outside Linebacker. What do YOU think about that?

Good? Bad?
Wait and see approach, between injuries and perhaps DEF alignment  
Joe in CT : 4/24/2018 7:24 am : link
he has not paid dividends yet, hopefully this season he can get his PS numbers up between sacks and hurries.
Very good player  
mdthedream : 4/24/2018 7:25 am : link
who works really hard.
I am hopeful Betchers scheme  
Rjanyg : 4/24/2018 7:26 am : link
And the position change provides an improvement for OV.

It's a one gap blitzing scheme so it should help him.
I think  
mdthedream : 4/24/2018 7:26 am : link
they should give him a breather here and there and you would get better results as far as sacks go.
RE: I am hopeful Betchers scheme  
Route 9 : 4/24/2018 7:28 am : link
In comment 13927505 Rjanyg said:
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And the position change provides an improvement for OV.

It's a one gap blitzing scheme so it should help him.


Did he do anything similar to this in Miami?
Vernon was a player who was paid based on future potential.  
Brown Recluse : 4/24/2018 7:49 am : link
At least thats what was fed to fans. That potential was never fulfilled. However, I’m curious to see what he does in this scheme. Spagnuolos defense was weird and rigid.

My gut tells me he’ll never be better than what we’ve seen, which is a really good run defender and a pretty decent pass rusher. But I hope he proves me wrong.

Terrific player  
Big Blue '56 : 4/24/2018 7:57 am : link
when healthy. Love the guy and still young
Vastly overpaid...good player but not a game changer...  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 4/24/2018 8:02 am : link
this is what happens when you draft so poorly. This is the real indictment of Reese...both the offensive and defensive lines. We had to bite the bullet getting rid of JPP because of another horrendous contract.

Hey, no doubt we overpaid for Solder...again the result of horrendous drafting. But what choice do we have?
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christian : 4/24/2018 8:03 am : link
When he's healthy, he's a terror.

He's had big parts of both years derailed, but he's been productive despite it.

He's the kind of guy if he plays 16 games, the numbers will jump off the page.

His injuries don't appear to be career altering, say like JPP's.
He comes to play and gives max effort every play  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 4/24/2018 8:36 am : link
Couldn't ask for more. Yeah, paid a lot...but that's Reese doing his FA thing.
agree with that's gold,Jerry.  
Victor in CT : 4/24/2018 9:03 am : link
well put
He played way too many snaps.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/24/2018 9:24 am : link
Want to see him off the EDGE, Vernon tested very fast at the combine, but he doesn't use that in his rush. He should be making tackles uncomfortable about kicking out, instead he looks tired and just starts handfighting.

Eager to see how he adjusts to the OLB role, imo arrow is pointing up.
I think i need to understand Bettcher defense more  
blueblood : 4/24/2018 9:37 am : link
before I cast a judgement. I think if he utilizes him in a similar way that he used Chandler Jones it will be very good for Vernon and the defense.
B player  
QB Snacks : 4/24/2018 9:42 am : link
making A money. Good enough to win with but they need another guy
The biggest issue with Vernon  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/24/2018 9:54 am : link
is the lack of rotational help. Both he and JPP played too many snaps, and were rendered ineffective.

The "bad contract" argument is ill-informed fanboy nonsense. If his production doesnt improve this year he is very cuttable next offseason.

I think that he will have a good year. Time will tell.
love the effort  
Dankbeerman : 4/24/2018 10:17 am : link
gets i the backfield sets the edge but just doesnt get home often enough. close but no cigar
Hopefully entering his last year with the Giants  
Go Terps : 4/24/2018 10:57 am : link
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He's def shown flashes of top end talent,  
Keith : 4/24/2018 11:06 am : link
but he's been way too sporadic and injury prone. So far, he's not been worth the money, IMO. I still have confidence that he can change that though.
Osi  
Dragon : 4/24/2018 3:00 pm : link
Without the sacks but he gets close but does that really count.
RE: Hopefully entering his last year with the Giants  
djm : 4/24/2018 3:08 pm : link
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Wouldn't it be better to hope that Vernon has a fantastic season? Call me crazy...but I would prefer to see Vernon here for the long haul. MAybe that cranks you up some but if Vernon is here for 2-3-4 years that tells me he's playing well.

You can win with "overpaid" players. Sometimes you have to overpay.
RE: Osi  
djm : 4/24/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13928683 Dragon said:
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Without the sacks but he gets close but does that really count.


You couldn't be more wrong. Matter of fact I can't think of a more different kind of player to Osi than Vernon. But keep trying.
RE: RE: Hopefully entering his last year with the Giants  
Go Terps : 4/24/2018 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13928707 djm said:
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Wouldn't it be better to hope that Vernon has a fantastic season? Call me crazy...but I would prefer to see Vernon here for the long haul. MAybe that cranks you up some but if Vernon is here for 2-3-4 years that tells me he's playing well.

You can win with "overpaid" players. Sometimes you have to overpay.


Of course it would be better if Vernon had a fantastic season. I'd love nothing more than 20 sacks and a defensive player of the year nod.

I'd rather live in reality though.

Overpaying for players is unsustainable and eventually bites you. It's biting us in 2018 with JPP's $15M in dead money, and my guess is it'll be biting us in 2019 with Vernon.
Calling his first year  
hitdog42 : 4/24/2018 5:37 pm : link
Anything but a success is just incorrect

Last year the whole franchise was a disgrace- and he didn’t perform regardless of excuses and injury

If he performs this year- he was well worth it
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