Ian Rapoport: Trade Talks centered around Flowers

I'd be stunned

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I'd be stunned

I'd be thrilled with a 5th. Addition by subtraction. He's a cancer.

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Who's playing corner?

on the possibility of anything more than a 5th is minute. However, he clearly is off this team so no point in wasting time or space. An UDFA can take his spot with much of a loss if any.

a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

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In comment 13927552 jlukes said: Quote: I'd be stunned I'd be thrilled with a 5th. Addition by subtraction. He's a cancer.

A fifth I'd jump at.

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In comment 13927554 Sean said: Quote: . Who's playing corner?

We will be drafting 1 or more Corners in this draft. I am not concerned about keeping Apple. The guy quit last year and regardless of issues, showed his mental fortitude and aptitude with his behavior last season.

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

Its really hard to fathom that Reese is a 2x SB GM.

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

The disaster's already happened. This is the aftermath.

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In comment 13927555 jeff57 said: Quote: In comment 13927554 Sean said: Quote: . Who's playing corner? We will be drafting 1 or more Corners in this draft. I am not concerned about keeping Apple. The guy quit last year and regardless of issues, showed his mental fortitude and aptitude with his behavior last season.

They have a lot of holes to fill. One corner is the most I could see them taking. I'd give Apple another shot.

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

It’s looming. Both macadoo and Reese saying ‘Eric flowers is not the problem’ speaks volumes

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

It's already a disaster. Send him out and anything in return is good. He obviously doesn't want to move to RT...

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

Even worse than re-signing Greco?

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In comment 13927552 jlukes said: Quote: I'd be stunned I'd be thrilled with a 5th. Addition by subtraction. He's a cancer.

How is he a disaster? He shown some real toughness out there, especially when he didn't miss a game with a high ankle sprain.

Attitude hasn't been his main problem, its his overall play.

It makes sense to move him now though, if you know you are not going to try to resign him. Might as well get something in return for him.

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In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said: Quote: a disaster if they have to dump Flowers. Even worse than re-signing Greco?

Greco showed he still had life in him. Could be the starting RG.

still be a valuable back-up and still might develop, albeit in an ORT role. He is allowed to pass on VOLUNTARY stuff and shouldn’t be ostracized for it, otherwise have the NFLPA agree to remove the voluntary from their agreements.

He appeared to have performed better the second half of the season, so there’s that, despite the problem during the end of the year.

New regime. If they’re ok with moving on from him, then fine. I still feel there’s usefulness to his game. It’s his last contract year. I wouldn’t give him away

there's no point keeping him.

Said that Flowers will probably be moved to to move up few picks.

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

all Reese and Ross though (Even though Coughlin seemed on board with the pick) Thank god - we have a fresh start.

than if they decide to trade him.

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Said that Flowers will probably be moved to to move up few picks.

That's sad.

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

this..but Flowers brought it on himself

If Flowers (and heaven forbid Apples) are both toast, a franchise simply can't keep blowing ENTIRE drafts and not have it have a dramatic impact on the win-loss record. We're talking about two players who were top 10 picks.

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In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said: Quote: a disaster if they have to dump Flowers. all Reese and Ross though (Even though Coughlin seemed on board with the pick) Thank god - we have a fresh start.

Hind sight is 20-20. There were many on BBI (including myself) that were high on this pick. Its a shame he hasn't been able to elevate his game to the NFL level, and now with his cancerous attitude its time for the team and Mr. Flowers to part company. This is just another example of the draft being a crap-shoot

Was an MVP candidate last year. God I hate when Reese acted like he was so much smarter than anyone else. I sure as hell hope we don't make that same mistake this year @2.

is due to an awful attitude not quality of play. Its a shame its come to that but you can't just keep players because they were high picks if they are that cancerous to the locker room.

In comment 13927601 Beer Man said:

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In comment 13927589 Andy in Boston said: Quote: In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said: Quote: a disaster if they have to dump Flowers. all Reese and Ross though (Even though Coughlin seemed on board with the pick) Thank god - we have a fresh start. Hind sight is 20-20. There were many on BBI (including myself) that were high on this pick. Its a shame he hasn't been able to elevate his game to the NFL level, and now with his cancerous attitude its time for the team and Mr. Flowers to part company. This is just another example of the draft being a crap-shoot

I wasn't wild about the Flowers pick. But I thought the Apple pick was worse.

In comment 13927598 Eric from BBI said:

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If Flowers (and heaven forbid Apples) are both toast, a franchise simply can't keep blowing ENTIRE drafts and not have it have a dramatic impact on the win-loss record. We're talking about two players who were top 10 picks.

Both were brutal reach picks - wishing they were top ten does not make them so.

Flowers has to go especially if we are getting draft compensation - I am assuming that is why he has not shown up these past two weeks and, if so, would be a sensible conclusion to his painful tenure here. But I agree that Apple is worth giving one more shot. I actually think he will surprise us this year... if he doesn't correct both his play and attitude, then he too will be shipped out this time next year.

But you almost wonder if he was told not to show up. Usually when a guy doesn't show you hear something about it later. If the intent was to trade him, they may have said don't bother.

In comment 13927598 Eric from BBI said:

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If Flowers (and heaven forbid Apples) are both toast, a franchise simply can't keep blowing ENTIRE drafts and not have it have a dramatic impact on the win-loss record. We're talking about two players who were top 10 picks.

Eric and that's the disaster in a nutshell was you said.

This is what other teams dont have to overcome (esp if Apple is next) to lose high invested picks. And you wonder why now the Giants have struggled recently to a point.

This draft is utmost importance that I can remember now to turn the table

this isn't really a disaster. It's actually somewhat common.

In comment 13927611 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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this isn't really a disaster. It's actually somewhat common.

Except they had options other than tackles when they picked. The obvious one was an MVP candidate last year.

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

I never thought anything could be worse than what happened with Marvin Austin. But this would be worse. Austin was a second round pick. Flowers was the 9th pick in the draft. I'd be thrilled with a fifth.

Yes, it was voluntary.

He was the one and only one no show.

Everyone made an appearance, except for Ereck Flowers.

That’s very telling, in my opinion.

there's a reason Reese and Coughlin (2 of the main architects of this lousy team) are gone and a new regime is in place. Unfortunately, the Maras are still here, and they were part of that awful prior regime.

cutting Flowers isn't really an option because of the guaranteed salary, but trading him gives us 2.3 mil of cap room and whatever we get for him in trade. We eat the 2+ mil of prorated signing bonus and lose a player who would at least be a quality backup.

I would only trade him IF his attitude is horrendous or IF we get something decent in trade. I don't know what is realistic. guess it all depends on how desperate we are to dump him.

In comment 13927619 ij_reilly said:

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Yes, it was voluntary. He was the one and only one no show. Everyone made an appearance, except for Ereck Flowers. That’s very telling, in my opinion.

Doesn’t bother me at all. It’s either voluntary or not, regardless of whether there was 1 no show or 10. More importantly? We might find out very soon whether or not the Giants were bothered by it

In comment 13927557 Eric from BBI said:

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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.

give a why bruh

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In comment 13927553 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13927552 jlukes said: Quote: I'd be stunned I'd be thrilled with a 5th. Addition by subtraction. He's a cancer. A fifth I'd jump at.

I get the attitude problems, I get the disappointment in his growth, I get the flaws in his game. But, at the end of the day the guy was a starting NFL LOT for almost every game the past three years. THere's few 5th rounders that make a team, much less start a ton of games at a critical position.

I think that we are all just jaded, non-objective, and perhaps not very thinking people. There's reason to do a fresh start; there no reason to fire sale him.

hope we can get an actual draft pick, as opposed to just moving up in a round.

not a disaster. We did get 3 years of starting out of him. Maybe they weren't good years, but he filled a role, sometimes bad, sometimes so-so.

The disaster is the overall drafting that brought in mostly so-so or worse players. Flowers is not a disaster by himself, but is part of the overall disaster.

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moving on from Flowers would be as much about attitude as it would be his play on the field....thought the same thing about JPP. Flowers just seems like an extremely disgruntled employee with a very thin skin (at least from afar) and JPP was always a big immature kid with superior athletic abilities. They need to reshape the mindset within the organization as, for far too long, they've ignored mental makeup for athletic potential in way too many instances...IMO, this has been the root of their issues. This is also why I think Chubb would be a spot on choice as the defense needs another leader and he seems to have a bit of the "crazed dog" that has been sorely missed.

In comment 13927598 Eric from BBI said:

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If Flowers (and heaven forbid Apples) are both toast, a franchise simply can't keep blowing ENTIRE drafts and not have it have a dramatic impact on the win-loss record. We're talking about two players who were top 10 picks.

I get what you're saying Eric, but that ship has sailed. He's a liability on the field. Sunk cost. Move forward without him. The last few drafts under Reese were dumpster fires, can't change the past. The franchise has probably been set back 3 years by his last couple drafts.

Agree.

But doesn't change that it's a disaster. And it's more than a "couple" of drafts.

Look at this shitshow...
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/draft.htm - ( New Window )

You won't get anything for him now anyway. And while he clearly hasn't been #9 overall great, give him some credit. He's played every week, played hurt, protected his teammates on the field for 3 years and he's still a kid. And simply dumping him now is in my mind absolving an incompetent HC and staff that refused to scheme some help to a kid at the most difficult position on the line.

In comment 13927598 Eric from BBI said:

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If Flowers (and heaven forbid Apples) are both toast, a franchise simply can't keep blowing ENTIRE drafts and not have it have a dramatic impact on the win-loss record. We're talking about two players who were top 10 picks.

the dramatic impact was 3-13. If the philosophy now is to re-tool and build tho then a QB is the pick at #2.

If a deal happens and they end up trading away two starters up front, I sure hope we can put the talk to bed.