The #Giants have had trade discussions centered around former first-round OT Ereck Flowers, sources say. He has stayed away from voluntary workouts, and the belief is the new staff will be able to trade him for draft compensation. Could be a fresh start for all sides.
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But doesn't change that it's a disaster. And it's more than a "couple" of drafts.
Look at this shitshow... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/draft.htm - ( New Window )
Oh yea... how ridiculous is that?????
We're in agreement 100%.
I don't think 'disaster' is a strong enough word.
Do you think one of us could have done a worse job evaluating the draft? I mean, how do you miss on entire drafts? SMH
RE: miscast - not sure how they decided he would be a LT, but I keep wondering if he is on wrong side of the ball. Clearly, he has the physical gifts to be in teh league, I think physically he is an elite athlete. But, those gifts are not translating into performance. I would love to see him as a DT, see how he would perform as a DT - disrupt the OLine, rush the passer. Think he might be better and happier.
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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.
all Reese and Ross though (Even though Coughlin seemed on board with the pick) Thank god - we have a fresh start.
Hind sight is 20-20. There were many on BBI (including myself) that were high on this pick. Its a shame he hasn't been able to elevate his game to the NFL level, and now with his cancerous attitude its time for the team and Mr. Flowers to part company. This is just another example of the draft being a crap-shoot
I wasn't wild about the Flowers pick. But I thought the Apple pick was worse.
You guys are forgetting the tweet from Rapoport was about Gettleman using Flowers as a “bahgaining chip” to move up during the draft, not about trading him away for picks outside the draft. Focus, Daniel-Sans!!
Rumored bad attitude and technique that doesn't seem to be improving.
While he gave up less sacks last season, Mcadoo was also forced to drop any pass plays that required more than a few seconds in the pocket.
Like Eric said, you remain in the dumpster when teams even have to even consider moving on from top 10 picks for peanuts.
Does anyone disagree that taking Gurley instead of Flowers would have been a much better decision? I am not at all opposed to addressing the needs on the line, but it has to be done within the confines of matching talent with value. Picking linemen just because there is a need can get you right where the Giants are now - jettisoning high draft picks in a position of need.
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this isn't really a disaster. It's actually somewhat common.
Except they had options other than tackles when they picked. The obvious one was an MVP candidate last year.
Yeah, but you can play that game six different ways. In 2016 Gurley would have been the argument for not taking a RB high.
At least apple seems willing to try to take this fresh start seriously and turn it around. Whether he does or not is a different story but at least he’s there and trying
Absolutely could be
But doesn't change that it's a disaster. And it's more than a "couple" of drafts.
Look at this shitshow... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/draft.htm - ( New Window )
There was a lot of crap in those drafts. Yes, a lot of teams have trouble finding players but we really missed the boat on a number of guys.
Does anyone disagree that taking Gurley instead of Flowers would have been a much better decision? I am not at all opposed to addressing the needs on the line, but it has to be done within the confines of matching talent with value. Picking linemen just because there is a need can get you right where the Giants are now - jettisoning high draft picks in a position of need.
Agreed.
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this isn't really a disaster. It's actually somewhat common.
Except they had options other than tackles when they picked. The obvious one was an MVP candidate last year.
Yeah, but you can play that game six different ways. In 2016 Gurley would have been the argument for not taking a RB high.
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this isn't really a disaster. It's actually somewhat common.
Except they had options other than tackles when they picked. The obvious one was an MVP candidate last year.
Yeah, but you can play that game six different ways. In 2016 Gurley would have been the argument for not taking a RB high.
I think it's pretty clear what the better option would have been.
Well yeah, everything is a lot easier with hindsight.That's how that works.
The Rams had little to lose, they sucked, they could afford to roll the dice and wait to see if the knee healed.
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a disaster if they have to dump Flowers.
all Reese and Ross though (Even though Coughlin seemed on board with the pick) Thank god - we have a fresh start.
Hind sight is 20-20. There were many on BBI (including myself) that were high on this pick. Its a shame he hasn't been able to elevate his game to the NFL level, and now with his cancerous attitude its time for the team and Mr. Flowers to part company. This is just another example of the draft being a crap-shoot
I wasn't wild about the Flowers pick. But I thought the Apple pick was worse.
Exactly what we see with every draft, those at BBI who love the pick and those that don't. I suspect it will be worst this year, given there are so many directions that the team can go, and so many posters with strong but differing POVs. This years draft threads have had all the passion that we used to see in the political threads.
Fans are allowed the benefit of hindsight. If a draft pick doesn't work out, or if there is a pattern of failure in draft strategy that isn't corrected - we have every right to bitch and moan about it, regardless of how high or low we were at the time the pick was made.
He tore his acl in his final season and was drafted while rehabbing. People love to play the hindsight game. Imagine the reaction if the Giants had drafted a player who was already broken.
The Rams had little to lose, they sucked, they could afford to roll the dice and wait to see if the knee healed.
The Giants get paid to figure out if Gurley's knees are an issue or if Flowers will be a great or below average prospect. In fact, there were many reports on Flowers regarding his technique issues before he was drafted. Reese ignored them. Thats not hindsight. Its poor decision-making.
Both he and Ross gave the “we’re professionals at this, you’re a bunch of idiots / amateurs”
How about if someone compares Giants 7 round mocks from the last 10 years to the actual drafts?
I'm not sure that is possible :-)
now under new regime Flowers was relieved of his starting job before he could fight for job and is a no show ..at voluntary training..
how is this Reese's fault ? last time I checked he no longer works for Giants.
Flowers has to be paid $2.4 million for the 2018 season.
That makes his draft pick value to the Giants a lower return.
if I was in this situation - why would I show up to voluntary training with my soon to be former team..?
Why would we cut him if we could trade him?
The Giants get paid to figure out if Gurley's knees are an issue or if Flowers will be a great or below average prospect. In fact, there were many reports on Flowers regarding his technique issues before he was drafted. Reese ignored them. Thats not hindsight. Its poor decision-making.
Sure, that's accurate. And executives are paid with the understanding that sometimes they get it wrong
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In fact, there were many reports on Flowers regarding his technique issues before he was drafted.
Sure, that's accurate.
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Reese ignored them. Thats not hindsight. Its poor decision-making..
Or, what happens in literally every NFL draft process, acts on opinions of coaches. It's the same thing that's happening with Josh Allen. "Yes, player X needs improvement at ___, ___, and ___. With the proper coaching, he can become ____".
He's already a disaster...
Not sure you can view the situation any other way.