Ian Rapoport: Trade Talks centered around Flowers

yields one good starter and one pretty good starter. Maybe 1-2 additional role playing backups.

Based on that:

2007 - excellent
2008 - very good
2009 - OK
2010- - good
2011 the trouble started. Prince is a decent player now but never panned out here. The rest of that draft sucked.
2012 --even worse
2013 - good
2014 - good or even great
2015 - shaky--really only Collins unless I am forgetting someone.
2016 ickk--but maybe Apple gets it going in year 3. He was good as a rookie.
You want to throw back the 2017 class? I don't.

Reese didn't hit on enough late round picks. When I say enough, I mean one every other year or so would have been more than acceptable. He didn't find the lunchpail type players nearly enough, and it showed on the OL.

HE still wasn't as bad as this thread would indicate.

2 Titles. Deal with it.

is as awful as he was in the 2nd half of it. He was terrible and deserved to be fired a couple of years earlier.

on where Flowers is and what he is doing instead of showing up for mini-camp?

I haven't heard any quotes from him - did he just disappear?

'17 looks good so far. And 2016 Apple has a chance to be a good player, Shephard a solid contributor, Adams a good 3rd TE, so this could go from good to VERY good if the other 3 can stay healthy and contribute.

'15 - Collins and nobody if Flowers doesn't turn around. A huge miss at 9 overall
'14 Beckham and nodody. Not good. OBJ's greatness makes it passable. the rest is shit. NOT GOOD, not even CLOSE to great
'13 best player Hankins not resinged. Pugh a reach who is extremely overrated here. how is this good?
'12 awful
'11 Prince meh and zippo. stinker
'10 JPP and Linval players, nil from the rest. 2 good players thouhg, so GOOD
'09 Nicks a great pick, Beatty meh, then nada
'08 good
'07 best of his tenure

I wonder if we might use Ereck Flowers as part of draft day trade.

For example, could we oackage Flowers and #34 to the Patriots for #32.

31 not 32 damn typo

In comment 13928917 Big_Pete said:

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I wonder if we might use Ereck Flowers as part of draft day trade. For example, could we oackage Flowers and #34 to the Patriots for #31.

Unlikely

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on where Flowers is and what he is doing instead of showing up for mini-camp? I haven't heard any quotes from him - did he just disappear?

he has never been media friendly. I doubt he is giving interviews or posting updates on insta

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it is obvious that Flowers and his agent have probably heard that Giants were looking to trade him .. if I was in this situation - why would I show up to voluntary training with my soon to be former team..?

giving the next employer a good look/impression that attitude won't be a problem..maybe??

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In comment 13927809 giantfan2000 said: Quote: it is obvious that Flowers and his agent have probably heard that Giants were looking to trade him .. if I was in this situation - why would I show up to voluntary training with my soon to be former team..? giving the next employer a good look/impression that attitude won't be a problem..maybe??

I believe his father is his agent. Looks like he is trying to force a trade , or maybe he is just getting dental work

Flowers would be a good back up. He hasn't lived up to anybody's expectations but would probably be better than most OL draftees 4th round or later, at least for this season. Regardless of what you think of him, he should get another shot for the Giants. A new regime/attitude & philosophy may be just what he needs to improve enough to make him worth it, even possibly long term. The kid does have some talent and he is only 23. A 1st rd. pick is too valuable give up on during his first contract.

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Out of the league.

In comment 13928829 bc4life said:

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on where Flowers is and what he is doing instead of showing up for mini-camp? I haven't heard any quotes from him - did he just disappear?

That's what I don't understand. When OBJ didn't show up at least it was reported that he was working out with a trainer. I haven't read anything about Flowers. You would think with new coaches and a new position, he would show up so that he can stay as a starter. To coin a relatively new phrase (used too much) it's a bad optic.

It can't be that easy to just accept that the first major move of this regime was to make Nate Solder the highest paid lineman in the league just to move him out of his position. This in addition to the beat writers (and fans) essentially making him the scapegoat for everything wrong with the offense the past few years. If I were him, I wouldn't be in a hurry to rush back to New Jersey either to deal with the negativity.

A player not being re-signed. Hankins was a terrific draft pick. Pugh is a very good and versatile guard. He gets hurt. Good luck predicting that.

Richburg was everyone’s darling after 2015. Then injuries took over. Again, that’s bad luck.

than anything we could get back for him in a trade.

In comment 13928495 Victor in CT said:

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finally rid us of the dreaded Flaherty? And weren't those people right! Look at the shit job Flaherty did in JAX last year ;-).

zinger for the win

play, or develop Olineman on this team since 2010 should be thrown under the bus...

In comment 13929114 eclipz928 said:

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It can't be that easy to just accept that the first major move of this regime was to make Nate Solder the highest paid lineman in the league just to move him out of his position. This in addition to the beat writers (and fans) essentially making him the scapegoat for everything wrong with the offense the past few years. If I were him, I wouldn't be in a hurry to rush back to New Jersey either to deal with the negativity.

True - except he is simply hurting himself. His next contract is completely dependent upon this year. He may not want to be an RT but where is his avenue to be an LT? I can't see anyone trading for him to be anything other than a backup with upside right now. He needs to nail down a starting job first.

He needs to get his butt into camp and compete for a position on the right side of OL. He is getting really bad advice.