and if the bills end up at 2 theyre going QB. This would be a value trade assuming were going Barkley Chubb or Nelson and get our pick of all 3. We get our guy anyway, and add some free picks. Im fine with it but of course it would need tweaking
We get pick 22 +65 and likely our top target (or close to it) in Barkley anyways
This is exactly the type of trade they should and only do IMO. Stay in the top 4, get some extra picks including the valuable 22, ( which would give us 3 of the top 34 picks) and end up with their pick of the top position players in the draft.
Win -win IMO.
Agreed small trade down get the top non-Qb in the entire draft and a couple premium picks to boot!
the Browns offered #33 and #35 to move up to #2, this deal is not nearly as good as that. Here, we're moving our current #34 pick up by 12 spots, and getting #65. I'd rather just get the 2 early 2nd rounders AND keep our current 2nd and 3rd rounders (if we're moving to #4)
the Browns offered #33 and #35 to move up to #2, this deal is not nearly as good as that. Here, we're moving our current #34 pick up by 12 spots, and getting #65. I'd rather just get the 2 early 2nd rounders AND keep our current 2nd and 3rd rounders (if we're moving to #4)
wouldn't you rather have...
#4
#33
#34
#35
#66
#69
instead of ...
#4
#22
#65
#66
#69
??
Knee I think the idea here is we get our top target in Barkley vs. 'Settling' for another pick like Chubb.
the Browns offered #33 and #35 to move up to #2, this deal is not nearly as good as that. Here, we're moving our current #34 pick up by 12 spots, and getting #65. I'd rather just get the 2 early 2nd rounders AND keep our current 2nd and 3rd rounders (if we're moving to #4)
wouldn't you rather have...
#4
#33
#34
#35
#66
#69
instead of ...
#4
#22
#65
#66
#69
??
I like the 3-way trade better and here's why:
The Giants get the #22 plus they're guaranteed the best non QB at 4. If they traded with the Browns, the Browns get their choice of QB and position player.
I want the best position player at 4 if DG doesn't want a QB at 2 and trades back.
if you decide it's quantity over quality, I want more than is proposed.
I would want more if its a browns swap with us. Because we know then one of barkley or chubb will be off the board before we pick.
I would settle for this deal in a second if its BUF moving to #2 because that locks in QB, QB, and QB going 1-2-3...so we still get our top rated positional player at a cheaper price and 2 additional assets...thats a great haul for us.
Wants to get their QB and Barkley, and I don't blame them, even they should be a good team with that haul. I am still hoping we move to 4 with Cleveland and get the two second round picks Cleveland has at the top of the second round, to have the top three picks in round two plus the #4 pick would be an excellent move in my opinion. That can be accomplished without a third team. But if this has already been worked out, it is also good.
then trade 12, a 2nd and 2 3rds to move back up to 5 or 6 and take whom ever is left of the 4 qbs Barkely or Chubb and go from there.
Think Denver would move down if no Qb is left, Indy if Barkely is gone
That's the definition of what DG said not to do, and that's "get too cute".
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Don't settle.
We get pick 22 +65 and likely our top target (or close to it) in Barkley anyways
This is exactly the type of trade they should and only do IMO. Stay in the top 4, get some extra picks including the valuable 22, ( which would give us 3 of the top 34 picks) and end up with their pick of the top position players in the draft.
Win -win IMO.
Agreed small trade down get the top non-Qb in the entire draft and a couple premium picks to boot!
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give up a 34. It’s effectively a late 1st rounder.
They wouldn't be giving it up. It was just omitted but later corrected to say they'd be keeping it.
Thank you
Oh, AND we keep our #34? Ummmm yes.
That is a perfect example of having your cake and eating it too.
Because it says what they would end up with, not just "get".
Also the OP later said he omitted including the 34 in his post and said they'd be keeping it.
wouldn't you rather have...
#4
#33
#34
#35
#66
#69
instead of ...
#4
#22
#65
#66
#69
??
wouldn't you rather have...
#4
#33
#34
#35
#66
#69
instead of ...
#4
#22
#65
#66
#69
??
Knee I think the idea here is we get our top target in Barkley vs. 'Settling' for another pick like Chubb.
wouldn't you rather have...
#4
#33
#34
#35
#66
#69
instead of ...
#4
#22
#65
#66
#69
??
I like the 3-way trade better and here's why:
The Giants get the #22 plus they're guaranteed the best non QB at 4. If they traded with the Browns, the Browns get their choice of QB and position player.
I want the best position player at 4 if DG doesn't want a QB at 2 and trades back.
I do this if I’m “all in” on Eli.
I’m not, but I think the NYG are.
No, it's likely for Barkley. The #4 pick is the magic number which will give us our choice between Barkley and Chubb. I would do it.
I would want more if its a browns swap with us. Because we know then one of barkley or chubb will be off the board before we pick.
I would settle for this deal in a second if its BUF moving to #2 because that locks in QB, QB, and QB going 1-2-3...so we still get our top rated positional player at a cheaper price and 2 additional assets...thats a great haul for us.
Buffalo gets 1
Cleveland gets 2, 12, 53, 56, 65 and 2019 1st from Buffalo.
NYG gets 4 and 22.
I would say Cleveland stays at 1 Buffalo gets 2. Giants get 4 and 22. Cleveland gets 53, 56, 65 and 2019 first for moving from 4 to 12.
Giants pick Barkley and an OL with their first two picks. Take BPA at #34 (likely to be some good CB, and OL available at that spot).
Cleveland gets their QB, someone like Vea, Smith, Evans, James, or an OT at #12, and makes a killing with 4 picks in round two.
Buffalo gets their QB.
A great deal for all IMO.
not if you wanted barkley
...will you be bummed if the Giants stay put at 2?
...will you be bummed if the Giants stay put at 2?
Not if its Rosen or Darnold. The top 3-4 picks all have a franchise QB value on them because that is how much teams are willing to pay for them.
Id be disappointed if we drafted Chubb or Nelson their instead of getting a bunch more picks and possibly getting them lower.
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...will you be bummed if the Giants stay put at 2?
Not if its Rosen or Darnold. The top 3-4 picks all have a franchise QB value on them because that is how much teams are willing to pay for them.
Id be disappointed if we drafted Chubb or Nelson their instead of getting a bunch more picks and possibly getting them lower.
I'm with you.