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Does drafting Barkley improve the offensive line?

since1925 : 4/24/2018 11:10 am
Having a weapon at running back would help to keep defenses honest and take some pressure off the offensive line. It would improve the play action game which is already one of Eli's strengths. That in turn would slow down the pass rush.

And that is all before he gains a yard.

Additionally, if Barkley does improves the running game (not a high bar) this should lead to improvement for the defense by keeping them off the field.

In short, he could give the Giants much more than a dynamic player at position of need. He could impact the team in a variety of ways. All before he breaks a tackle, makes a man miss or simply outruns the defense.

The obvious way to help an offensive line is to have good linemen. And we should look to bolster the line in the draft. But when considering the value of drafting a future QB and or trading down to get more picks or going heavy on offensive line. The #2 pick must be an impact player. And Barkley would appear to be that.


He would help the....  
Nysportsfn13 : 4/24/2018 11:15 am : link
passing game
running game
offensive line
defense.
The same line that helped the Giants  
Carl in CT : 4/24/2018 11:18 am : link
Run for 155 yards and pass for over 400 when the Eagles (the Super Bowl champs) who had something to play for?
RE: He would help the....  
Milton : 4/24/2018 11:22 am : link
In comment 13928073 Nysportsfn13 said:
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passing game
running game
offensive line
defense.
And the food in the team cafeteria will be improved as well, not to mention the weather in the tri-state area.
RE: He would help the....  
Big Blue '56 : 4/24/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13928073 Nysportsfn13 said:
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passing game
running game
offensive line
defense.


That’s my feeling as well off of what I learned about him
People that love him  
Rflairr : 4/24/2018 11:35 am : link
Like to use Penn St OL as an excuse for him avg 3.6 yards a carry in 8 of their games. Can’t have it both ways.

This guy isn’t much better than the RB from GA
Special player and average QBs  
bronxgiant : 4/24/2018 11:40 am : link
Put players around a QB and team wins super bowl. The damn Eagles just showed you that the playmakers will win you championships. Brady wins with a system and playmakers.
Huh?  
jeff57 : 4/24/2018 11:41 am : link
Only improving the offensive line improves the offensive line.
[b]Yes...[/b]  
KillmongerBleedsBlue : 4/24/2018 11:45 am : link
He provides a passing threat out of the backfield with homerun ability with every touch. This alone should take a little pressure off of the OLine to have to hold up and wait for our receivers to get down field. In short, he provides another level of our attack, i.e. OBJ deep/slants, Engram in the seam and Barkley in the flats.
RE: Huh?  
giants#1 : 4/24/2018 11:51 am : link
In comment 13928146 jeff57 said:
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Only improving the offensive line improves the offensive line.


That's not true. The threat of a running game can make it a lot easier on the OL resulting in blitzers and DEs possibly hesitating a half second to make sure it isn't a run. This is even more true with play action passes.

And while some (most) of that is really a matter of playcalling, the better the RB the more effective play action is.
RE: RE: Huh?  
KillmongerBleedsBlue : 4/24/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13928169 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13928146 jeff57 said:


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Only improving the offensive line improves the offensive line.



That's not true. The threat of a running game can make it a lot easier on the OL resulting in blitzers and DEs possibly hesitating a half second to make sure it isn't a run. This is even more true with play action passes.

And while some (most) of that is really a matter of playcalling, the better the RB the more effective play action is.

+1
No...  
M.S. : 4/24/2018 11:53 am : link

..drafting/having a strong offensive line will improve Saquon Barkley's performance.
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jeff57 : 4/24/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 13928175 M.S. said:
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..drafting/having a strong offensive line will improve Saquon Barkley's performance.


Yes. Some seem to placing the cart before the horse.
Improve?  
Beer Man : 4/24/2018 11:59 am : link
Probably not. It may compensate a little, but even the greatest of RBs find it difficult when they are being hit one step after receiving the hand-off. DG has to fix the O-line, which is still one big WIP; we have a LT, possibly LG, a fill-in at C, and nothing settled on the right side.
it will make 3rd and one  
Chip : 4/24/2018 12:00 pm : link
a running down now which it hasn't been since Brandon Jacobs. Play action will also work better having a real RB back there. If Browns take him 1st we will trade out would be my guess. Thursday night can't get here fast enough.
Barkley is the wrong pick at #2  
GeofromNJ : 4/24/2018 12:25 pm : link
I would much rather have Chubb. Darnold is also preferable as is Allen. I would even take Nelson over Barkley. Barkley, for all his elusiveness and speed, shows little ability to break tackles. He will not be the star most people envision. He will more often be stymied at the line of scrimmage or brought down by a linebacker.
RE: He would help the....  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/24/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13928073 Nysportsfn13 said:
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passing game
running game
offensive line
defense.


Exactly. And yes he would make the OL better. Teams wont just pin their ears back and play hard up on our pass game anymore. Defenses will have to maintain gaps and be more measured in their blitzing and stunting
RE: Barkley is the wrong pick at #2  
Rflairr : 4/24/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13928259 GeofromNJ said:
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I would much rather have Chubb. Darnold is also preferable as is Allen. I would even take Nelson over Barkley. Barkley, for all his elusiveness and speed, shows little ability to break tackles. He will not be the star most people envision. He will more often be stymied at the line of scrimmage or brought down by a linebacker.


I totally agree. RB at 2. Is a really bad decision
No, they have to fix it  
David B. : 4/24/2018 12:49 pm : link
Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't have done much behind last year's line. Get it competent, and Barkley will have a chance to be effective.
RE: No, they have to fix it  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/24/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13928326 David B. said:
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Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't have done much behind last year's line. Get it competent, and Barkley will have a chance to be effective.


It still needs another plug and pkay starter for sure. But if we get one this draft, the OL may not be in that bad shape starting next year.
RE: No, they have to fix it  
bronxgiant : 4/24/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13928326 David B. said:
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Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't have done much behind last year's line. Get it competent, and Barkley will have a chance to be effective.


Take a look and see the Giant running backs average 4+ yards per carry. People still cannot see that the problem was a head coach that had no clue. There was no cohesion in anything the offense did last year. Running the ball was not a problem. The coach had no clue how to use the running game.
Yes  
PaulN : 4/24/2018 2:37 pm : link
He would, but they still need to improve the line, you want a good offensive and defensive line in this league, that has been the case since football has been played.
RE: No...  
since1925 : 4/24/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13928175 M.S. said:
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..drafting/having a strong offensive line will improve Saquon Barkley's performance.


It's not either/or. Both can be true.
RE: Barkley is the wrong pick at #2  
Brown Recluse : 4/24/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13928259 GeofromNJ said:
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I would much rather have Chubb. Darnold is also preferable as is Allen. I would even take Nelson over Barkley. Barkley, for all his elusiveness and speed, shows little ability to break tackles. He will not be the star most people envision. He will more often be stymied at the line of scrimmage or brought down by a linebacker.


Whether or not the Giants draft this guy, I really can't wait for him to prove opinions like this wrong.
David B  
Jerry K : 4/24/2018 4:11 pm : link
Keep in mind that Darkwa averaged 4.4 ypc behind our OL. And... Barkley could contribute a lot as a pass catcher.
Recluse  
Jerry K : 4/24/2018 4:13 pm : link
It's funny how many BBIers are faulting Barkley for running away from tacklers.
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M.S. : 4/24/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13928798 since1925 said:
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In comment 13928175 M.S. said:


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..drafting/having a strong offensive line will improve Saquon Barkley's performance.



It's not either/or. Both can be true.

True... both can be "true." But it's a slam dunk guarantee that it's "more true" the way I stated it.
How does he keep a 320lb nose tackle off of Eli? How does he keep  
SterlingArcher : 4/24/2018 5:15 pm : link
a speed rushing DE off of Eli? How does he keep a blitzer off of Eli?
RE: How does he keep a 320lb nose tackle off of Eli? How does he keep  
since1925 : 4/24/2018 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13928980 SterlingArcher said:
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a speed rushing DE off of Eli? How does he keep a blitzer off of Eli?

I posted that in the OP.
Yes - in certain games certain days certain teams  
giantstock : 4/24/2018 10:58 pm : link
But vs playoff caliber teams that come ready to play- his "help" would be negligible.

Without a very good QB, the opposing playoff team has NFL caliber stars too. The game isn't one-on-one. Eventually or right off the bat- he'll get stuffed without having a good OLine and a good QB.
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