With the Yankees and Mets looking to be on the path to a good season, and the Giants (and the Jets possibly) probably having a good season, I welcome back the big man with wide open arms. Like the guys earlier stated, when there is a big story early in the morning, you bet Ill be listening to hear what he thinks. Mike needed a much deserved vacation away from the callers and now he can come back fresh.
I stopped listening to sports radio (that and it's boring as hell)...Hate his personality type...I agree with the above poster, Mushnick now a must read.
but in his last 3-4 years mike has been horrible. I think he is a complete pompous ass incapable of constructive debate anymore. I dont enjoy his "interviews" at all, he consistently asks questions of his hall of fame type guests and then just insists on answering them himself... its insane.
that being said, I enjoy his show a thousand times better then the 3 stooges they got in there now and look forward to him coming back. hating him is way more entertaining then falling asleep listening to CMB.
but on the business side, if he comes back someone needs to be fired right? i dont think this transition could have gone any worse for wfan..
In my opinion. The other two aren't great but they are better than him. They probably could have been fine with a better lead and main host. Carlin doesn't know what he's talking about half the time and has a horrendous radio voice. He talks with a lisp and you can literally hear the spit flying out of his mouth and hitting the microphone.
3 in the booth is a unworkable as it is. Carlin being an ass just componded it.
RE: Chris Russo must be the dumbest person in his tax bracket Â
Listen to this 8-minute call with SourShoes doing a call with Mad Dog from last week.
Dog buys it hook, line and sinker. Even after Shoes improvises an entire Billy Joel set on piano, all Dog can say "this guy is amazing!"
God those guys were great radio. So dumb. So entertaining. April 19, 2018 with Chris Russo - ( New Window )
Yeah, the photos that moron has of Mel Karmazin must be INCREDIBLE. Russo is a jack ass. Daffy Duck on speed.
RE: Carlin was the problem with the afternoon show Â
In my opinion. The other two aren't great but they are better than him. They probably could have been fine with a better lead and main host. Carlin doesn't know what he's talking about half the time and has a horrendous radio voice. He talks with a lisp and you can literally hear the spit flying out of his mouth and hitting the microphone.
You can make a case that all 3 on their own would be in the top 3 worst sports radio personalities in NY. Together they combine to make the worst show in NY sports radio history. That's not hyperbole.
anything other than him and his two compatriots in the afternoon would be a HUGE improvement
Yeah he's been a train wreck.
As bad as Bart Scott is, atleast his voice is awesome. Maggie is a little whiny and high pitched. Carlin just sounds like he's drooling with a mouthful of potato salad every time he speaks
Not sure why but "drooling with a mouthful of potato salad" literally made my day. Great visual, and accurate.
Beningo might be the worst sports host I've ever heard. Outside of his epic Jets rants, the guy doesn't his homework & just goes 'Yeah bro' 'Right bro', & the like.
Roberts is knowledge. Beningo isn't.
RE: I guess part of it is my general dislike of sports radio in the first Â
Because BBI is not a monolith, and there are diamonds to be found among the large amount of crap. There are also many people I read on BBI who are much smarter and much better informed than that cretin.
Beningo might be the worst sports host I've ever heard. Outside of his epic Jets rants, the guy doesn't his homework & just goes 'Yeah bro' 'Right bro', & the like.
Roberts is knowledge. Beningo isn't.
I think even Joe would admit that he's not the most knowledgeable guy in the world but that's not what he's there for IMO. He's there for comic relief, historical perspective, and to overreact to his teams' latest successes and failures. And he gets bonus points in my book for his humility. Simply not being a raging self-important jerk like so many others in that business is rare.
Mike will give an opinion that's worth listening to...and he's good when it comes to getting A-list guests, but let's be honest: his unintentional comedy factor is off the charts. It's basically the whole reason his on-air mistakes and misdeeds would go viral all the time.
that roots for all the NY teams no one cares about and the Mets & Jets. He's knowledgable about those teams. His takes on Yankees and Giants are completely clueless. Beningo has his own act and a great recall for things from the past. He doesn't pretend to be an expert on anything other than the Mets, Jets & Knicks and a little bit on the Rangers he is pretty good on those teams.
RE: RE: RE: I guess part of it is my general dislike of sports radio in the first Â
Because BBI is not a monolith, and there are diamonds to be found among the large amount of crap. There are also many people I read on BBI who are much smarter and much better informed than that cretin.
you have it backwards. FAN offered him a new contract with a large pay cut so he quit. Then he found out that the large pay cut was more than anyone else would pay him so he came back.
so figure Mike & station bosses were done negotiating a new deal months before then. It's interesting that nothing ended up working out post-WFAN for him, as it seemed like he had plenty of things in the pipeline. Assume he was itching to get back on the air and willing to accept a pay cut, it made no sense for WFAN to not bring him back.
They can spin it any way they choose, but it's a bit slap in the face to Carton's show, but I'm sure the three of them will get every dollar that's owed, so can't feel sorry.
When was the new contract offered (previous to him quitting)?
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
Even with the declining ratings, WFAN proved that he's only part of the draw - the time slot and format are equal partners in the draw. The fact that they were able to trot out a mismatched mess of a show for a few months and still track relatively even with Kay allowed them to set the baseline. So Francesa's value wasn't his ratings vs zero; it was his ratings vs the same slot without him. I doubt Jimmy from Zyppah is paying WFAN more for star power than for what the ratings dictate.
When was the new contract offered (previous to him quitting)?
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
Even with the declining ratings, WFAN proved that he's only part of the draw - the time slot and format are equal partners in the draw. The fact that they were able to trot out a mismatched mess of a show for a few months and still track relatively even with Kay allowed them to set the baseline. So Francesa's value wasn't his ratings vs zero; it was his ratings vs the same slot without him. I doubt Jimmy from Zyppah is paying WFAN more for star power than for what the ratings dictate.
This is completely incorrect. They lost more than TWO full raings points from Francesa's last book. Kay didn't gain an audience - the audience actually went away without Francesa.
I was one of them - I have been mostly listening to podcasts since Francesa left. I find the new morning show boring and CMB to be dull unless they talk football.
When was the new contract offered (previous to him quitting)?
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
Even with the declining ratings, WFAN proved that he's only part of the draw - the time slot and format are equal partners in the draw. The fact that they were able to trot out a mismatched mess of a show for a few months and still track relatively even with Kay allowed them to set the baseline. So Francesa's value wasn't his ratings vs zero; it was his ratings vs the same slot without him. I doubt Jimmy from Zyppah is paying WFAN more for star power than for what the ratings dictate.
This is completely incorrect. They lost more than TWO full raings points from Francesa's last book. Kay didn't gain an audience - the audience actually went away without Francesa.
I was one of them - I have been mostly listening to podcasts since Francesa left. I find the new morning show boring and CMB to be dull unless they talk football.
Agree. I haven't listened to FAN at that time at all since he left and most people I know have done the same. I actualy enjoy the weekend guys like Chris Moore, Jody McDonald and JJ better than the weekday people.
Kay just sucks. His fan base are the types of Yankee fans who pray to the ghost of George Steinbrenner.
Even producer Eddie Scozzare - a former Mike/Dog producer - was getting in on it.
Mike brokered this with the CEO of the parent company that owns WFAN, which means there's likely nobody at WFAN studios who knew or wanted this to happen. Cozy atmosphere there next week.
RE: Boomer and Gio were destroying Mike this morning. Â
Even producer Eddie Scozzare - a former Mike/Dog producer - was getting in on it.
Mike brokered this with the CEO of the parent company that owns WFAN, which means there's likely nobody at WFAN studios who knew or wanted this to happen. Cozy atmosphere there next week.
you know bc, for all the times Mike could be a dick when he wanted to, he never denigrated other station hosts to his show, even when callers wanted to. Yet Norman sat by while his criminal, vulgarian, fraud partner did nothing but while he was on the air and is still at it.
ESPN really banked on him picking up in the ratings post Francesa. Well, he didn't. Francesa's audience didn't go to him, they went nowhere. That says a lot about how awful Michael Kay must be that this large audience would rather listen to nothing than him. I cannot see how he makes it to the end of the year.
Listen say what you want about the guy and there are many who hate him, but Francesa has got the last laugh here. Big time. He is sticking it right up the ass of all those people who said he's just a self-inflated egomaniac. Maybe he is...but the bosses at CBS Radio seem to agree that he's more important than any of those other people who mocked him. That must sting real bad for guys like Carton and Boomer.
Best part about mike coming back other then obvious reasons is Â
ESPN really banked on him picking up in the ratings post Francesa. Well, he didn't. Francesa's audience didn't go to him, they went nowhere. That says a lot about how awful Michael Kay must be that this large audience would rather listen to nothing than him. I cannot see how he makes it to the end of the year.
Listen say what you want about the guy and there are many who hate him, but Francesa has got the last laugh here. Big time. He is sticking it right up the ass of all those people who said he's just a self-inflated egomaniac. Maybe he is...but the bosses at CBS Radio seem to agree that he's more important than any of those other people who mocked him. That must sting real bad for guys like Carton and Boomer.
Yep. now Norman is doubly pissed. He isn't the NY Super Hero QB (Eli is) nor is he the big media man that he thinks he is.
Oh I have no sympathy for Boomer, or certainly Carton. Â
Mike is still an asshole. HE decided to leave - it's not like WFAN pushed him out the door. They talked to him about staying after the Carton arrest - with a pay cut - and he said no. He swore his WFAN career was over, so they moved on. Now he goes above their heads to strong arm his way back in, and agrees to take the pay cut he earlier had refused. Carlin left Philly to come, and now gets kneecapped after four months. It's shitty all around.
The real reason this happened is Mikey thought he'd be fielding all sorts of offers when he hit "free agency," yet the phone never rang. His fragile ego was bruised, so he bullied some WFAN patsies to feel better about himself.
RE: Boomer and Gio were destroying Mike this morning. Â
Even producer Eddie Scozzare - a former Mike/Dog producer - was getting in on it.
Mike brokered this with the CEO of the parent company that owns WFAN, which means there's likely nobody at WFAN studios who knew or wanted this to happen. Cozy atmosphere there next week.
They're taking it way too personal. The fact of the matter is the new group in the afternoon SUCKED. I listened to them once and never went back. Heck, I've listened to Michael Kay more often since Mike left the FAN and I absolutely HATE Michael Kay. Boomer then tried to bring up diversity for some reason. I love Tony Paige and I like Kim Jones a lot. They DON'T suck. The people in afternoon did regardless of their ethnicity or gender. I heard Boomer and Gio a bit this morning and they sounded ridiculous. They can hate Francesa all they want, but the cause of this is the crappy show in the afternoon, not subterfuge by the fat guy.
I like Kim Jones too. I thought they should have gone with her and 1 other person to replace Mike. MAx Kellerman, GIants fan extraodinaire, would have been perfect.
When was the new contract offered (previous to him quitting)?
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
Even with the declining ratings, WFAN proved that he's only part of the draw - the time slot and format are equal partners in the draw. The fact that they were able to trot out a mismatched mess of a show for a few months and still track relatively even with Kay allowed them to set the baseline. So Francesa's value wasn't his ratings vs zero; it was his ratings vs the same slot without him. I doubt Jimmy from Zyppah is paying WFAN more for star power than for what the ratings dictate.
This is completely incorrect. They lost more than TWO full raings points from Francesa's last book. Kay didn't gain an audience - the audience actually went away without Francesa.
I was one of them - I have been mostly listening to podcasts since Francesa left. I find the new morning show boring and CMB to be dull unless they talk football.
What about my post suggested that Kay picked up the listeners WFAN lost? That wasn't my point at all. The point is, though, the ratings did not go to zero. Those two points are Francesa's value, not the full 6% sum, since it can be proven that simply having a sports talk program in afternoon drive will attract two-thirds of the listeners; the remaining third can be attributable to Francesa's popularity.
So most of Kay's show today was spent discussing Â
Francesca's return. They even had Russo on to discuss it. The idiot Rosenberg is coming across as a complete baby trying to diss Francesa but actually showing that they know they can't beat Mike.
It's a poor reflection on Mike that he had to go over the station's Â
head to get the job that he chose to leave back. It's been four months, and his ego couldn't deal with the fact that he is only ever going to be the regional guy that has no national-level juice. Nobody cares what he has to say away from this market.
I like Kim Jones too. I thought they should have gone with her and 1 other person to replace Mike. MAx Kellerman, GIants fan extraodinaire, would have been perfect.
A guy co-hosting a popular national TV show would never leave that to co-host a local radio show.
that being said, I enjoy his show a thousand times better then the 3 stooges they got in there now and look forward to him coming back. hating him is way more entertaining then falling asleep listening to CMB.
but on the business side, if he comes back someone needs to be fired right? i dont think this transition could have gone any worse for wfan..
Need him for the Yankees too.
3 in the booth is a unworkable as it is. Carlin being an ass just componded it.
Dog buys it hook, line and sinker. Even after Shoes improvises an entire Billy Joel set on piano, all Dog can say "this guy is amazing!"
God those guys were great radio. So dumb. So entertaining. April 19, 2018 with Chris Russo - ( New Window )
Yeah, the photos that moron has of Mel Karmazin must be INCREDIBLE. Russo is a jack ass. Daffy Duck on speed.
You can make a case that all 3 on their own would be in the top 3 worst sports radio personalities in NY. Together they combine to make the worst show in NY sports radio history. That's not hyperbole.
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anything other than him and his two compatriots in the afternoon would be a HUGE improvement
Yeah he's been a train wreck.
As bad as Bart Scott is, atleast his voice is awesome. Maggie is a little whiny and high pitched. Carlin just sounds like he's drooling with a mouthful of potato salad every time he speaks
Not sure why but "drooling with a mouthful of potato salad" literally made my day. Great visual, and accurate.
Love his Sunday morning show and Monday's after NFL games
Same here joe. Loved his Sunday morning show was excellent. I just hope that’s part of his “comeback”
lol
Should just fire them and keep Jon and Evan 10-2 and Francesa 3-7.
they should put evan and Joe from 11-3
7-11 boomer and gio
6-7 pre warmup show with Recco and Dukes
Roberts is knowledge. Beningo isn't.
And BBI is different how?
And BBI is different how?
Because BBI is not a monolith, and there are diamonds to be found among the large amount of crap. There are also many people I read on BBI who are much smarter and much better informed than that cretin.
Roberts is knowledge. Beningo isn't.
I think even Joe would admit that he's not the most knowledgeable guy in the world but that's not what he's there for IMO. He's there for comic relief, historical perspective, and to overreact to his teams' latest successes and failures. And he gets bonus points in my book for his humility. Simply not being a raging self-important jerk like so many others in that business is rare.
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And BBI is different how?
Because BBI is not a monolith, and there are diamonds to be found among the large amount of crap. There are also many people I read on BBI who are much smarter and much better informed than that cretin.
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I can't imagine the program director keeps his job after this. Why should he?
Ultimately, the station uses advertising buys as the measure of success. An idiot could "run" wfan and make money with it.
If the FAN wasn't willing to pay him after the Carton debacle, why are they willing to pay him now?
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
They can spin it any way they choose, but it's a bit slap in the face to Carton's show, but I'm sure the three of them will get every dollar that's owed, so can't feel sorry.
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
Even with the declining ratings, WFAN proved that he's only part of the draw - the time slot and format are equal partners in the draw. The fact that they were able to trot out a mismatched mess of a show for a few months and still track relatively even with Kay allowed them to set the baseline. So Francesa's value wasn't his ratings vs zero; it was his ratings vs the same slot without him. I doubt Jimmy from Zyppah is paying WFAN more for star power than for what the ratings dictate.
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When was the new contract offered (previous to him quitting)?
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
Even with the declining ratings, WFAN proved that he's only part of the draw - the time slot and format are equal partners in the draw. The fact that they were able to trot out a mismatched mess of a show for a few months and still track relatively even with Kay allowed them to set the baseline. So Francesa's value wasn't his ratings vs zero; it was his ratings vs the same slot without him. I doubt Jimmy from Zyppah is paying WFAN more for star power than for what the ratings dictate.
This is completely incorrect. They lost more than TWO full raings points from Francesa's last book. Kay didn't gain an audience - the audience actually went away without Francesa.
I was one of them - I have been mostly listening to podcasts since Francesa left. I find the new morning show boring and CMB to be dull unless they talk football.
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When was the new contract offered (previous to him quitting)?
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
Even with the declining ratings, WFAN proved that he's only part of the draw - the time slot and format are equal partners in the draw. The fact that they were able to trot out a mismatched mess of a show for a few months and still track relatively even with Kay allowed them to set the baseline. So Francesa's value wasn't his ratings vs zero; it was his ratings vs the same slot without him. I doubt Jimmy from Zyppah is paying WFAN more for star power than for what the ratings dictate.
This is completely incorrect. They lost more than TWO full raings points from Francesa's last book. Kay didn't gain an audience - the audience actually went away without Francesa.
I was one of them - I have been mostly listening to podcasts since Francesa left. I find the new morning show boring and CMB to be dull unless they talk football.
Agree. I haven't listened to FAN at that time at all since he left and most people I know have done the same. I actualy enjoy the weekend guys like Chris Moore, Jody McDonald and JJ better than the weekday people.
Kay just sucks. His fan base are the types of Yankee fans who pray to the ghost of George Steinbrenner.
Mike brokered this with the CEO of the parent company that owns WFAN, which means there's likely nobody at WFAN studios who knew or wanted this to happen. Cozy atmosphere there next week.
Mike brokered this with the CEO of the parent company that owns WFAN, which means there's likely nobody at WFAN studios who knew or wanted this to happen. Cozy atmosphere there next week.
you know bc, for all the times Mike could be a dick when he wanted to, he never denigrated other station hosts to his show, even when callers wanted to. Yet Norman sat by while his criminal, vulgarian, fraud partner did nothing but while he was on the air and is still at it.
Listen say what you want about the guy and there are many who hate him, but Francesa has got the last laugh here. Big time. He is sticking it right up the ass of all those people who said he's just a self-inflated egomaniac. Maybe he is...but the bosses at CBS Radio seem to agree that he's more important than any of those other people who mocked him. That must sting real bad for guys like Carton and Boomer.
It's truly great and I bet Mikes ratings will pulverize Kay into minced meat
Listen say what you want about the guy and there are many who hate him, but Francesa has got the last laugh here. Big time. He is sticking it right up the ass of all those people who said he's just a self-inflated egomaniac. Maybe he is...but the bosses at CBS Radio seem to agree that he's more important than any of those other people who mocked him. That must sting real bad for guys like Carton and Boomer.
Yep. now Norman is doubly pissed. He isn't the NY Super Hero QB (Eli is) nor is he the big media man that he thinks he is.
The real reason this happened is Mikey thought he'd be fielding all sorts of offers when he hit "free agency," yet the phone never rang. His fragile ego was bruised, so he bullied some WFAN patsies to feel better about himself.
Mike brokered this with the CEO of the parent company that owns WFAN, which means there's likely nobody at WFAN studios who knew or wanted this to happen. Cozy atmosphere there next week.
They're taking it way too personal. The fact of the matter is the new group in the afternoon SUCKED. I listened to them once and never went back. Heck, I've listened to Michael Kay more often since Mike left the FAN and I absolutely HATE Michael Kay. Boomer then tried to bring up diversity for some reason. I love Tony Paige and I like Kim Jones a lot. They DON'T suck. The people in afternoon did regardless of their ethnicity or gender. I heard Boomer and Gio a bit this morning and they sounded ridiculous. They can hate Francesa all they want, but the cause of this is the crappy show in the afternoon, not subterfuge by the fat guy.
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When was the new contract offered (previous to him quitting)?
Obviously I'm not in the radio business, but I'd imagine he's a pretty huge draw for advertising dollars. The dynamic here is interesting.
Even with the declining ratings, WFAN proved that he's only part of the draw - the time slot and format are equal partners in the draw. The fact that they were able to trot out a mismatched mess of a show for a few months and still track relatively even with Kay allowed them to set the baseline. So Francesa's value wasn't his ratings vs zero; it was his ratings vs the same slot without him. I doubt Jimmy from Zyppah is paying WFAN more for star power than for what the ratings dictate.
This is completely incorrect. They lost more than TWO full raings points from Francesa's last book. Kay didn't gain an audience - the audience actually went away without Francesa.
I was one of them - I have been mostly listening to podcasts since Francesa left. I find the new morning show boring and CMB to be dull unless they talk football.
What about my post suggested that Kay picked up the listeners WFAN lost? That wasn't my point at all. The point is, though, the ratings did not go to zero. Those two points are Francesa's value, not the full 6% sum, since it can be proven that simply having a sports talk program in afternoon drive will attract two-thirds of the listeners; the remaining third can be attributable to Francesa's popularity.
A guy co-hosting a popular national TV show would never leave that to co-host a local radio show.
It's amazing how obsessed with race Peter Rosenberg is.
Rosenberg is a mess.