I get he's a high school moron but this is what he does to woo the chick to the prom? Its not remotely witty or funny on any level and as pointed out, he's branded a racist forever. great job raising junior!
evidently this school has had a lot of racist behavior going on over the past few years and it's been ignored by the school system. It was even termed as a 'race war' going on at the school.
but compared to a more recent past, the racists that are here in the country have certainly made a comeback and become more emboldened and willing to take off the mask in the last few years.
A portion of the US seems to have decided to embrace Â
nowadays that goes onto the Internet and it'll be the first thing that comes up on web searches for his name for, well, probably forever.
The First Amendment protects his right to be an asshole. But it doesn't protect him from consequences for being an asshole, and he's probably going to feeling that blowback for years to come. A lot of people won't date him. Or hire him. Or have him for a roommate. Or patronize businesses where he works.
Yeah... agree with njm here... this has been America for a very long time.
Like Will Smith said (and I agree with)... there isn't MORE racism in America... it's just being videotaped for all to see now.
Do you think there is less racism today though?
Or just progress in small areas, but not much change?
That's a more difficult question... I'd like to think so... but it's hard to tell because with racism being caught on video much more often than it used to be. If you would've asked me this question 2 years ago... I probably would've definitively said yes. But as Filthy and Heisenberg said, it just seems like the racist people in this country are feeling much more embolden nowadays for some... uh... reason *grin*.
Yeah... agree with njm here... this has been America for a very long time.
Like Will Smith said (and I agree with)... there isn't MORE racism in America... it's just being videotaped for all to see now.
Agree with that Will Smith statement, but would go on to say that during my life that has been a decline in racism. And beyond race, there has been a decline in ethnic prejudice. When was the last time you heard a Polish or Italian joke? Or for that matter a joke about African-Americans? Maybe it's just the people I associate with, but it's been decades.
Yes, racism clearly still exists and some have been more openly expressing what they've been feeling for most of their lives. But in it's totality, the US is a less racist place than it was during my youth.
but compared to a more recent past, the racists that are here in the country have certainly made a comeback and become more emboldened and willing to take off the mask in the last few years.
I know we're venturing into no-no territory here... but I agree with you on this big time. It's extremely unsettling.
You may be right... you may be wrong. That's something that I think everyone may have a different opinion about and I don't see how anyone can say one opinion is right and the other wrong. There's no way to quantify something like that IMO. Even if you do feel like there's less racism in America today than in the past, how MUCH less? A little? A lot? Down by 10%? Down by 75%?
but compared to a more recent past, the racists that are here in the country have certainly made a comeback and become more emboldened and willing to take off the mask in the last few years.
I know we're venturing into no-no territory here... but I agree with you on this big time. It's extremely unsettling.
I don't know if this is true and I tend to believe if it is true it is it's not for the reasons being hinted at - though it is a convenient cop out.
It may seem true, but I'd like to see some non-opinion/fact based evidence if this is true if that's possible to even discern.
Hate crimes, which I know doesn't consider all racist incidents, were increasing in 2015 and 2016 but a lot of that could be a variety of factors, but clearly is not for the reason some would like for it to be or have hinted at.
From my perspective it seems with everything being on social media now versus in the past when incidents might go completely un or under reported, and the media in general realizing what sells, the spotlight is a lot brighter on these incidents as they occur (as maybe it should be), but I don't know if the statement is true or just what gets reported loudly or there is any correlation that people would "like".
You may be right... you may be wrong. That's something that I think everyone may have a different opinion about and I don't see how anyone can say one opinion is right and the other wrong. There's no way to quantify something like that IMO. Even if you do feel like there's less racism in America today than in the past, how MUCH less? A little? A lot? Down by 10%? Down by 75%?
See what I mean?
I think part of this might be different time horizons. I was in middle school when the civil rights legislation of the 60's was passed. No, I can't put a percentage on it, but there has been a significant decline.
You may be right... you may be wrong. That's something that I think everyone may have a different opinion about and I don't see how anyone can say one opinion is right and the other wrong. There's no way to quantify something like that IMO. Even if you do feel like there's less racism in America today than in the past, how MUCH less? A little? A lot? Down by 10%? Down by 75%?
See what I mean?
I think part of this might be different time horizons. I was in middle school when the civil rights legislation of the 60's was passed. No, I can't put a percentage on it, but there has been a significant decline.
Well like I said... you have a right to your opinion and I can't say with much confidence that you're right or wrong. I wasn't around back in the 60's so I'd defer to someone who was around back then but I can only tell you from my own personal experiences that it appears to about the same... if not worse... today than it was in what would be considered 'back in the day' (mid to late 70's through the 80's) for me. But I would tend to think that there are plenty of folks who were around back then who'd disagree with you.
I think people are also desensitized to the word racist more now Â
The media and twitter heroes are calling everyone they can a racist or a Nazi or a kkk member etc etc and rightfully so in some cases ..
But they also call completely non racist people and personalities racist etc for not agreeing etc with the agendas
So basically the real racists, whites etc get very confident because not only is everyone a racist these days in the eyes of their enemies but they feel safer as well because if they get called a racist they can always say it's fake news or a Soros setup . And they will get passes in some cases.
Calling someone a racist used to be very deep and insulting.
It's lost some of its zest and spice as a word lately due to its overuse in politically correct speech.
Just an observation, I don't wanna debate it, I could be totally wrong but that's what I've noticed is everyone calling each other racist while the real racists feel safer and more powerful
For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
RE: I think people are also desensitized to the word racist more now Â
The media and twitter heroes are calling everyone they can a racist or a Nazi or a kkk member etc etc and rightfully so in some cases ..
But they also call completely non racist people and personalities racist etc for not agreeing etc with the agendas
So basically the real racists, whites etc get very confident because not only is everyone a racist these days in the eyes of their enemies but they feel safer as well because if they get called a racist they can always say it's fake news or a Soros setup . And they will get passes in some cases.
Calling someone a racist used to be very deep and insulting.
It's lost some of its zest and spice as a word lately due to its overuse in politically correct speech.
Just an observation, I don't wanna debate it, I could be totally wrong but that's what I've noticed is everyone calling each other racist while the real racists feel safer and more powerful
I don't think you're wrong and actually agree 100%. The word and claim gets thrown around waaaay too quickly and easily nowadays.
For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
I grew up in the projects and I've earned the right to call them that, and I was constantly around racial issues. The guardian angels came and marched at my high school because of the racial riots and fights.
I saw a lot of ugliness, not like T-Bone or others may see, I'm not a minority I can really just see things from my lens, but i saw ugliness all around on all sides. And who knows, I hope not, but maybe I even subconsciously contributed to it. I don't think so, but like I said, I can only see things from my perspective though I always try and consider others.
These days it seems to me being branded a racist is a scarlet letter that is a career ender and life changer. People lose jobs, lose opportunities, and learn some very painful life lessons that IMO in 2018 hate and intolerance are not acceptable. Sure there are pockets or small groups that foster hate, but society has changed IMO.
And I'm not suggesting those consequences shouldn't be the case, but I believe there were times when that was not the case. And not too long ago.
With the access and exposure people have today, everything is on camera. Which is why I feel like it seems people may appear more emboldened, but I don't think they are. I think it's the opposite. White Supremacist rallies have 20 people and the counter protests have thousands. it's literally that one-sided - but they do bring all the media attention to the 20. Because it's the bogeyman people want to see.
I no longer live in the projects, I own a house in the suburbs, but it's still a semi-diverse community and I feel proud that my kids have a diverse group of friends and maybe I'm the naive one, but I believe in this generation MLK's dream has a chance. My kids, who are in their teens, truly I believe do judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin and I am proud of that.
I think the good FAR outweighs the bad in todays society, but the bad makes the news. Just like in the NFL, and other microcosms - arrests and negative incidents get the leads, but the players visiting sick kids or doing good tings get buried.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, don't care if its tl/dr just hate seeing stuff like this without believing it's small samples of the population, not a trend.
Just my opinion but I'd say nationwide we are definitely Â
a less racist country compared to when my parents were growing up. Younger generations tend to bring more tolerance with them, be it race related, accepting homosexuality, whatever. At some point a clear message was given that racism is not welcome in most areas of society so most of these fuckers got smart, shut their mouths in public and have spent the last couple of decades spewing hate towards the tv instead.
Recently though these folks have found some acceptance, protection, I don't know what it is but they have slowly built up the courage to come out of hiding and when they do they find their numbers are growing. It is not a good direction.
Doing my best to not make this political and I'm not singling out any particular administration, since this uprising spans multiple.
Guys, Ben McAdoo ended racism when he started Geno. Â
The media and twitter heroes are calling everyone they can a racist or a Nazi or a kkk member etc etc and rightfully so in some cases ..
But they also call completely non racist people and personalities racist etc for not agreeing etc with the agendas
So basically the real racists, whites etc get very confident because not only is everyone a racist these days in the eyes of their enemies but they feel safer as well because if they get called a racist they can always say it's fake news or a Soros setup . And they will get passes in some cases.
Calling someone a racist used to be very deep and insulting.
It's lost some of its zest and spice as a word lately due to its overuse in politically correct speech.
Just an observation, I don't wanna debate it, I could be totally wrong but that's what I've noticed is everyone calling each other racist while the real racists feel safer and more powerful
I don't think you're wrong and actually agree 100%. The word and claim gets thrown around waaaay too quickly and easily nowadays.
I agree the racist label gets overused and many times without just cause, but I disagree people are desensitized to it. If they weren't this story wouldn't be viral.
I cannot think of many things you can accuse someone of in today's society worse than being racist. Can you?
It's the hierarchy of evil: murder, child molester, rapist, then racist. what else is worse? domestic violence? kidnapping?
ESPN removed a reporter from a UVA/VT game whose name was Robert Lee b/c that might be confused with Robert E Lee and be viewed as racist. Granted it was right after the Charlottesville incident, but get a grip. People are more evolved than that I'd hope.
the guy is Asian.
WTF? If that doesn't signal to you that people take this seriously (too seriously in that case), not sure what will.
T-bone i was thinking the same thing about the tx high school Â
I think you can acknowledge that the Robert Lee thing was excessive and not necessary but still believe that some of these hate groups have made themselves more visible recently than maybe they were for a time before that.
Like I said - I can't "prove" anything - it's my perception just like everyone else has theirs. All I know is that cars at train stations near me weren't covered in KKK flyers up until semi-recently.
Whether racism is more widespread or not, no one can debate that it still exists and is still an issue here and probably will be for as long as we live.
That doesn't give people the right to throw the label around to those who don't deserve it. But I don't think we should just be dismissive of it or call people overreactive simply because perhaps some areas aren't quite as bad as they were before.
It's still a pretty significant issue if you ask me.
For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
Had to investigate it.
A hispanic community that well, picks cotton. Their symbol is 2 cotton stems. They can't understand why anyone would think it offensive. They are proud of the fact. Interestingly enough, a minority community that is proud of themselves. School looks like it's a good one academically. 13 to 1 student/teacher ratio. Link - ( New Window )
I keep hearing that racist is thrown around too much these days Â
These days it seems to me being branded a racist is a scarlet letter that is a career ender and life changer. People lose jobs, lose opportunities, and learn some very painful life lessons that IMO in 2018 hate and intolerance are not acceptable.
I'd say in some... maybe even most cases more likely... that may be true... but not even close to all cases. I can't say what I want to say but I'll just say that there are people who have been labeled as such and yet are still doing quite well for themselves.
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With the access and exposure people have today, everything is on camera. Which is why I feel like it seems people may appear more emboldened, but I don't think they are. I think it's the opposite. White Supremacist rallies have 20 people and the counter protests have thousands. it's literally that one-sided - but they do bring all the media attention to the 20. Because it's the bogeyman people want to see.
The event that happened in Charlottesville a few months ago had a few hundred people attend it. I've seen reports of how the KKK and other racist organizations are actually growing in numbers now. What happened in Charlottesville wasn't between only a few dozen racist men vs a few thousand people on the other side.
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I no longer live in the projects, I own a house in the suburbs, but it's still a semi-diverse community and I feel proud that my kids have a diverse group of friends and maybe I'm the naive one, but I believe in this generation MLK's dream has a chance. My kids, who are in their teens, truly I believe do judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin and I am proud of that.
I guess we'll see. I'm not as hopeful as I once was to be honest. Racism is a learned behavior and it appears to continue to be passed down from generation to generation. I saw a video yesterday of a fraternity getting kicked off Syracuse U's campus because a racist video popped up (and this one wasn't just against blacks either). I saw another video yesterday where a young white woman has been kicked out of her sorority for what she said in a video. I've seen videos where whole busfulls of kids are chanting the word 'Nigger' with joy.
I don't know buddy... I hope you're right that maybe this next generation will get things right... but, like I said, I'm not as hopeful as I was just a few years ago.
RE: RE: RE: Robstown, TX High School Cottonpickers Â
For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
Had to investigate it.
A hispanic community that well, picks cotton. Their symbol is 2 cotton stems. They can't understand why anyone would think it offensive. They are proud of the fact. Interestingly enough, a minority community that is proud of themselves. School looks like it's a good one academically. 13 to 1 student/teacher ratio. Link - ( New Window )
Thank you ctc.
I personally don't have an issue with that name considering what or who they are referring to. They have a reason to be proud of that name... most black folks though, probably wouldn't. There's a difference there.
at a major school for a semester, you will learn racists are still prominent and aren't separated by socioeconomic background, intelligence levels, or, even in fact, RACE itself.
RE: RE: RE: Robstown, TX High School Cottonpickers Â
For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
Had to investigate it.
A hispanic community that well, picks cotton. Their symbol is 2 cotton stems. They can't understand why anyone would think it offensive. They are proud of the fact. Interestingly enough, a minority community that is proud of themselves. School looks like it's a good one academically. 13 to 1 student/teacher ratio. Link - ( New Window )
That is correct, it is either 2 cotton stems or just one cotton stem with a big red R in the middle (which is the one mostly decorating their school fences, sports fields and most of the logos for the school.
Great BBQ in the area and the people are very proud of their heritage. Speaking to people in the area, they feel proud of it and won't bend to public pressure to change it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Robstown, TX High School Cottonpickers Â
For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
Had to investigate it.
A hispanic community that well, picks cotton. Their symbol is 2 cotton stems. They can't understand why anyone would think it offensive. They are proud of the fact. Interestingly enough, a minority community that is proud of themselves. School looks like it's a good one academically. 13 to 1 student/teacher ratio. Link - ( New Window )
Thank you ctc.
I personally don't have an issue with that name considering what or who they are referring to. They have a reason to be proud of that name... most black folks though, probably wouldn't. There's a difference there.
Oh I understand completely. Why I looked into it.
I am so glad I have taught my kids to be very cautious what they post Â
But here, I don't even understand how that is supposed to be funny.
I am a big believer in human nature never changing, ever. Certain things may be more or less acceptable to say out loud, but I don't think people privately think in much less of a racially conscious way than they did 50 or 60 years ago. And that goes for all people of all races and backgrounds. And I don't think it will ever change, either.
as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
I think that was a joke. I think.
RE: RE: I think people are also desensitized to the word racist more now Â
I don't think you're wrong and actually agree 100%. The word and claim gets thrown around waaaay too quickly and easily nowadays.
Indeed. When everything is racist, nothing is racist and the word loses much of its meaning and impact. Which, of course, benefits the actual honest-to-God racists.
Incidentally, the talk of high school mascots brings two semi-related things to mind:
-There's a high school in Arizona whose teams are the Redskins, and the school's student body is almost 100% Navajo children. Red Mesa High School
-Not really here or there, but it's always made me laugh: Yuma High School, also in Arizona, calls its teams the Criminals
as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
.... and it sails right over the right fielder's head for a stand up double!
as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
But here, I don't even understand how that is supposed to be funny.
lawguy - that's what was confusing to me as well! It was like... he just decided to be racist for no real reason at all because the 'joke' was lame and unfunny.
as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
.... and it sails right over the right fielder's head for a stand up double!
Ha! Sorry. Also watching champions league game and should have paid full attention to this before I commented. Carry on. :)
That include “if I offended anyone”. You’re better off not apologizing. You offended everyone with that sign
I know right... I'd rather you just stick to your guns and say 'Fuck it... I said it so I must've meant it.'. While writing that sign out I'm sure he wasn't confused as to whether anyone who saw it would find it offensive or not.
Thinking about it some more though... it reminds me of something I saw on social media somewhere recently that says something like 'I don't care about the person that talked behind my back to you... I want to know why they felt comfortable talking behind my back to you?'... or something like that. I'd like to know why that kid thought sending the young lady he was asking out to the prom would go over well? That is... if it didn't. If it did... well... there's my answer I suppose.
I'd like to know why that kid thought sending the young lady he was asking out to the prom would go over well? That is... if it didn't. If it did... well... there's my answer I suppose.
It appears it did.
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Riverview students found the image on the female student’s Snapchat, with a caption of two heart-eye emojis, implying that she was excited about the request.
I'd like to know why that kid thought sending the young lady he was asking out to the prom would go over well? That is... if it didn't. If it did... well... there's my answer I suppose.
It appears it did.
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Riverview students found the image on the female student’s Snapchat, with a caption of two heart-eye emojis, implying that she was excited about the request.
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Ha! Thanks Mad Mike.
So... like I said, apparently she appears to share his attitude towards black folks. Can't say I'm shocked. I would've figured the kid had some HUGE balls to send something like that to someone without knowing how they'd react.
nowadays that goes onto the Internet and it'll be the first thing that comes up on web searches for his name for, well, probably forever.
The First Amendment protects his right to be an asshole. But it doesn't protect him from consequences for being an asshole, and he's probably going to feeling that blowback for years to come. A lot of people won't date him. Or hire him. Or have him for a roommate. Or patronize businesses where he works.
Well, we want to punish him for the sickening sign he made, right? Not rewarding him by preventing him from working and giving him all day to spend at home, or taking a girl out to see overpriced reboot movies. Hell, she said yes to the ridiculous sign, didn't she?
If you think because he made a racist comment, he is black listed from any work, think again. He could just always change his name.
If you rattled this kid's name off the top of your head in 5 years, or even one year from now, I highly doubt anyone will remember what it is linked to unless you personally care about it so much. He could just offer a contrived "I'm sorry" and we're on our way because we've moved on to the next hot topic. There is no real relevance behind finding a date anymore and a racist sign at 18.
as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
.... and it sails right over the right fielder's head for a stand up double!
Ha! Sorry. Also watching champions league game and should have paid full attention to this before I commented. Carry on. :)
Just busting your chops. :)
After they suspend him for racial insensitivity... Â
nowadays that goes onto the Internet and it'll be the first thing that comes up on web searches for his name for, well, probably forever.
The First Amendment protects his right to be an asshole. But it doesn't protect him from consequences for being an asshole, and he's probably going to feeling that blowback for years to come. A lot of people won't date him. Or hire him. Or have him for a roommate. Or patronize businesses where he works.
Well, we want to punish him for the sickening sign he made, right? Not rewarding him by preventing him from working and giving him all day to spend at home, or taking a girl out to see overpriced reboot movies. Hell, she said yes to the ridiculous sign, didn't she?
If you think because he made a racist comment, he is black listed from any work, think again. He could just always change his name.
If you rattled this kid's name off the top of your head in 5 years, or even one year from now, I highly doubt anyone will remember what it is linked to unless you personally care about it so much. He could just offer a contrived "I'm sorry" and we're on our way because we've moved on to the next hot topic. There is no real relevance behind finding a date anymore and a racist sign at 18.
Not sure what companies you apply to but yes, that'd DQ me from any company I ever applied to (and Google doesn't forget).
Kid's fucked and rightfully so. You think employers don't google applicants? Think again
Sonic, again, he could just have his name legally changed and work around that issue if he really wanted to. This little incident shouldn't now justify giving him a single thought in his head he will struggle to find work during the course of his life. It will just deter him from thinking he has a chance to find anything and will just give up and lay around all day in his parents house until he is 42. Sounds like a win for me.
Make him suffer with the rest of us by having him become a part of the working class and move on. It's not the first incident where something like this has been posted online, someone makes a truly racist costume every single time Halloween comes around and it is the same thing. I barely remember the incident let alone remember the person's name or face. It is way too common.
Besides if he was dumb enough to think of a dumb racist idea such as that was fine, and then on top of, he is stupid enough to send it through social media where everyone can see it? He might not even be wise enough in the first place to land a job worthy enough to have his "career" ruined. He just sounds like a racist waste who wouldn't go anywhere in life anyway.
Me? I have a job and I will be there for 8 years next month. I am not going anywhere. I do have a LinkedIn and articles I've written for my school and other publications. It just sits there idle. I made the LinkedIn for college when I graduated in 2015 so I obviously understand how the process works. Just tired of hearing not working as an actual threat/punishment. Most of these kids are lazy bums these days anyway.
How absolutely unsurprising it is that madcow sees nothing wrong with this sign.
Par for the course for one a poster cut from the same ilk as liverwurst.
first of all, you need to give a trigger warning before being mean to me.
second of all--that pic shows that people from across different races can make bad signs. Did he make the sign out of the racial hatred in his heart or a bad joke? I don't know--I am sure you know him well enough to make that decision.
the big difference between this sign and the OP was “if I was black I would be picking cotton” The sign you posted leaves more questions than answers. Why are three girls asking a guy to the prom?
So there's a *huge* difference between this and the announcer Â
who they simply *had* to punish for saying "cotton picking mind". There's a real danger in overreacting because now you make the actual bad stuff equivalent. People have to start thinking a little more (or at least some) on all sides.
The sign you posted leaves more questions than answers. Why are three girls asking a guy to the prom?
I assumed the message was directed to three different prospective dates (not necessarily boys, BTW). You’re right, though: one popular kid might be on the receiving end of a triple invitation. Prom has become much more free-form: groups go together as “dates”, friends go together without embarrassment or apology. It’s not quite ”Wild Wild Country”, but the conventions have loosened up.
The sign you posted leaves more questions than answers. Why are three girls asking a guy to the prom?
I assumed the message was directed to three different prospective dates (not necessarily boys, BTW). You’re right, though: one popular kid might be on the receiving end of a triple invitation. Prom has become much more free-form: groups go together as “dates”, friends go together without embarrassment or apology. It’s not quite ”Wild Wild Country”, but the conventions have loosened up.
there was an article explaining the picture above with the three girls which was in respect of a florida high school. apparently it was posted by one of the two white girls asked and she added a caption "she said yes". i.e. the two white girls were asking the black girl to the prom. it's not clear if it was racist mockery or thegirls were stepping up for their friend who was subject to a racist cotton picking comment. if it's the former, it's just another example of racist crap. if the latter, it's admirable that these girls would step up to racist crap, but still bad judgment to take and share that photo given the potential for misunderstanding.
the big difference between this sign and the OP was “if I was black I would be picking cotton” The sign you posted leaves more questions than answers. Why are three girls asking a guy to the prom?
Thank you Les. I would’ve thought the difference between the two signs was pretty apparent but I guess some will go to any lengths to excuse racism (like suggesting one doesn’t know what’s truly in that kid’s heart for instance... or blowing it off as not a big deal).
Thank you Les. I would’ve thought the difference between the two signs was pretty apparent but I guess some will go to any lengths to excuse racism (like suggesting one doesn’t know what’s truly in that kid’s heart for instance... or blowing it off as not a big deal).
madgiantscow tries really hard to use terms like snowflake, trigger warnings and pearl clutching lingo to disparage anyone who take offense at the unquestionable racist sign in the OP. maybe he would take offense if the promposal sign said "if I was white, I would be picking up my spam from walmart, but I'm picking you for the prom."
good point. Overuse of any word diminishes the meaning Â
Thank you Les. I would’ve thought the difference between the two signs was pretty apparent but I guess some will go to any lengths to excuse racism (like suggesting one doesn’t know what’s truly in that kid’s heart for instance... or blowing it off as not a big deal).
madgiantscow tries really hard to use terms like snowflake, trigger warnings and pearl clutching lingo to disparage anyone who take offense at the unquestionable racist sign in the OP. maybe he would take offense if the promposal sign said "if I was white, I would be picking up my spam from walmart, but I'm picking you for the prom."
I personally feel like all those terms that are being thrown around lately (snowflake, 'triggered' and 'pearl clutching') are childish and immature. Not surprising considering from they've seemed to originated from. I just find this line particularly funny:
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Did he make the sign out of the racial hatred in his heart or a bad joke? I don't know--I am sure you know him well enough to make that decision.
It's funny because whenever there's an incident involving a minority doing something stupid I don't believe I've once seen him suggest wondering what's in that person's 'heart' before passing judgement. But here we have this kid and suddenly we should wonder whether he's really meant for his sign to be racist or whether he was just 'joking'.
He's apparently not going to the prom (big deal) which sounded like a mutual decision between the school and the family and the school is considering disciplinary action.
the NAACP is calling for expulsion.
How do you appropriately punish this kid and set a tenable precedent as well as a deterrent?
He's apparently not going to the prom (big deal) which sounded like a mutual decision between the school and the family and the school is considering disciplinary action.
the NAACP is calling for expulsion.
How do you appropriately punish this kid and set a tenable precedent as well as a deterrent?
I honestly don't know.
Not being allowed to attend the prom is a given.
Perhaps some kind of school discipline such as a week suspension and maybe perhaps some kind of community service would be fair I guess.
But I don't know if expulsion is necessary and that's just my opinion.
The reason why I'm not sure what should 'appropriately' be done to punish him, that will at the same time be sure to act as a deterrent, is that short of him having some kind of life altering experience... I don't see what can be done to him to erase this racism from his heart. He sent this to a girl who 'liked' his message. Think about that... that means there's a whole group of these kids who think that there was nothing wrong with his sign. Had she reacted differently and shunned him that would've MAYBE had the greatest affect on him... but instead she gave him a thumbs up.
ESPN removed a reporter from a UVA/VT game whose name was Robert Lee b/c that might be confused with Robert E Lee and be viewed as racist. Granted it was right after the Charlottesville incident, but get a grip. People are more evolved than that I'd hope.
the guy is Asian.
That was really was insane. But it's ESPN - MSESPN, to be precise. ;)
ESPN has had a ton of low points. That may have been the lowest.
He's apparently not going to the prom (big deal) which sounded like a mutual decision between the school and the family and the school is considering disciplinary action.
the NAACP is calling for expulsion.
How do you appropriately punish this kid and set a tenable precedent as well as a deterrent?
I honestly don't know.
Not being allowed to attend the prom is a given.
Perhaps some kind of school discipline such as a week suspension and maybe perhaps some kind of community service would be fair I guess.
But I don't know if expulsion is necessary and that's just my opinion.
The reason why I'm not sure what should 'appropriately' be done to punish him, that will at the same time be sure to act as a deterrent, is that short of him having some kind of life altering experience... I don't see what can be done to him to erase this racism from his heart. He sent this to a girl who 'liked' his message. Think about that... that means there's a whole group of these kids who think that there was nothing wrong with his sign. Had she reacted differently and shunned him that would've MAYBE had the greatest affect on him... but instead she gave him a thumbs up.
is not helping anyone. It is likely making people paranoid and hopeless. If everyone is so racist, why should I even try?
It actually really is helping a handful of people. Racism is now a money making industry. Those who do not see that are the ones who are helping to fuel that industry.
and I don't believe there ever will be unfortunately. I'm not sure we as a species will ever evolve to the point of racism being eradicated... at least not in my lifetime and I'd bet not for a few generations to come.
is not helping anyone. It is likely making people paranoid and hopeless. If everyone is so racist, why should I even try?
It actually really is helping a handful of people. Racism is now a money making industry. Those who do not see that are the ones who are helping to fuel that industry.
and I don't believe there ever will be unfortunately. I'm not sure we as a species will ever evolve to the point of racism being eradicated... at least not in my lifetime and I'd bet not for a few generations to come.
While it can, and in my opinion likely, to be reduced, it will never disappear. Same with religious intolerance and, for that matter, all forms of intolerance. Someone will always need a scapegoat, an "other", to blame for their own shortcomings and lack of success.
and I don't believe there ever will be unfortunately. I'm not sure we as a species will ever evolve to the point of racism being eradicated... at least not in my lifetime and I'd bet not for a few generations to come.
While it can, and in my opinion likely, to be reduced, it will never disappear. Same with religious intolerance and, for that matter, all forms of intolerance. Someone will always need a scapegoat, an "other", to blame for their own shortcomings and lack of success.
I doubt it'll even be reduced... at least not to a point of any real significance anyway. Not when you have some people on this very thread willingly showing an indifference... if not dismiss entirely... an issue that greatly affects a group of people. On a thread that had about 15 to 20 people post on it (maybe... I didn't actually go and count) you had about 3 to 4 people who posted something that, IMO, doesn't help fix this issue. That's just on this thread... on this site. One thread and at least a quarter of those that posted on it show a clear lack of empathy or understanding of how a picture like that hurts a person's feelings. Instead I get told that maybe it was just a joke... or that the anger I have seeing yet another picture like that appear in the news is only done to make someone money... or some other bullshit.
Oh well... back to life I guess...
I hope you're being sarcastic
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America, 2018.
I hope you're being sarcastic
Yeah... agree with njm here... this has been America for a very long time.
Like Will Smith said (and I agree with)... there isn't MORE racism in America... it's just being videotaped for all to see now.
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America, 2018.
I hope you're being sarcastic
Yeah... agree with njm here... this has been America for a very long time.
Like Will Smith said (and I agree with)... there isn't MORE racism in America... it's just being videotaped for all to see now.
Do you think there is less racism today though?
Or just progress in small areas, but not much change?
The First Amendment protects his right to be an asshole. But it doesn't protect him from consequences for being an asshole, and he's probably going to feeling that blowback for years to come. A lot of people won't date him. Or hire him. Or have him for a roommate. Or patronize businesses where he works.
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America, 2018.
I hope you're being sarcastic
Yeah... agree with njm here... this has been America for a very long time.
Like Will Smith said (and I agree with)... there isn't MORE racism in America... it's just being videotaped for all to see now.
Do you think there is less racism today though?
Or just progress in small areas, but not much change?
That's a more difficult question... I'd like to think so... but it's hard to tell because with racism being caught on video much more often than it used to be. If you would've asked me this question 2 years ago... I probably would've definitively said yes. But as Filthy and Heisenberg said, it just seems like the racist people in this country are feeling much more embolden nowadays for some... uh... reason *grin*.
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America, 2018.
I hope you're being sarcastic
Yeah... agree with njm here... this has been America for a very long time.
Like Will Smith said (and I agree with)... there isn't MORE racism in America... it's just being videotaped for all to see now.
Agree with that Will Smith statement, but would go on to say that during my life that has been a decline in racism. And beyond race, there has been a decline in ethnic prejudice. When was the last time you heard a Polish or Italian joke? Or for that matter a joke about African-Americans? Maybe it's just the people I associate with, but it's been decades.
Yes, racism clearly still exists and some have been more openly expressing what they've been feeling for most of their lives. But in it's totality, the US is a less racist place than it was during my youth.
I know we're venturing into no-no territory here... but I agree with you on this big time. It's extremely unsettling.
See what I mean?
Rover could probably zero in on a number for you.
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America, 2018.
I hope you're being sarcastic
Yeah... agree with njm here... this has been America for a very long time.
Like Will Smith said (and I agree with)... there isn't MORE racism in America... it's just being videotaped for all to see now.
The racists have been given a permission slip.
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but compared to a more recent past, the racists that are here in the country have certainly made a comeback and become more emboldened and willing to take off the mask in the last few years.
I know we're venturing into no-no territory here... but I agree with you on this big time. It's extremely unsettling.
I don't know if this is true and I tend to believe if it is true it is it's not for the reasons being hinted at - though it is a convenient cop out.
It may seem true, but I'd like to see some non-opinion/fact based evidence if this is true if that's possible to even discern.
Hate crimes, which I know doesn't consider all racist incidents, were increasing in 2015 and 2016 but a lot of that could be a variety of factors, but clearly is not for the reason some would like for it to be or have hinted at.
From my perspective it seems with everything being on social media now versus in the past when incidents might go completely un or under reported, and the media in general realizing what sells, the spotlight is a lot brighter on these incidents as they occur (as maybe it should be), but I don't know if the statement is true or just what gets reported loudly or there is any correlation that people would "like".
As it should and I hope does.
I'll also say that events like what we saw in Charlottesville seem to be more widespread now than perhaps they were before.
I don't think it's all "fake news" or propaganda or stuff driven by social media.
But I really can't go deeper into this because it'll just turn political and the thread will get deleted.
I don't think it's crazy to suggest that perhaps some of these people feel like they have more of a platform now than they had before.
I can't pull out hard numbers that are going to prove my perception one way or another. It's just what I feel I've seen.
See what I mean?
I think part of this might be different time horizons. I was in middle school when the civil rights legislation of the 60's was passed. No, I can't put a percentage on it, but there has been a significant decline.
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You may be right... you may be wrong. That's something that I think everyone may have a different opinion about and I don't see how anyone can say one opinion is right and the other wrong. There's no way to quantify something like that IMO. Even if you do feel like there's less racism in America today than in the past, how MUCH less? A little? A lot? Down by 10%? Down by 75%?
See what I mean?
I think part of this might be different time horizons. I was in middle school when the civil rights legislation of the 60's was passed. No, I can't put a percentage on it, but there has been a significant decline.
Well like I said... you have a right to your opinion and I can't say with much confidence that you're right or wrong. I wasn't around back in the 60's so I'd defer to someone who was around back then but I can only tell you from my own personal experiences that it appears to about the same... if not worse... today than it was in what would be considered 'back in the day' (mid to late 70's through the 80's) for me. But I would tend to think that there are plenty of folks who were around back then who'd disagree with you.
But they also call completely non racist people and personalities racist etc for not agreeing etc with the agendas
So basically the real racists, whites etc get very confident because not only is everyone a racist these days in the eyes of their enemies but they feel safer as well because if they get called a racist they can always say it's fake news or a Soros setup . And they will get passes in some cases.
Calling someone a racist used to be very deep and insulting.
It's lost some of its zest and spice as a word lately due to its overuse in politically correct speech.
Just an observation, I don't wanna debate it, I could be totally wrong but that's what I've noticed is everyone calling each other racist while the real racists feel safer and more powerful
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But they also call completely non racist people and personalities racist etc for not agreeing etc with the agendas
So basically the real racists, whites etc get very confident because not only is everyone a racist these days in the eyes of their enemies but they feel safer as well because if they get called a racist they can always say it's fake news or a Soros setup . And they will get passes in some cases.
Calling someone a racist used to be very deep and insulting.
It's lost some of its zest and spice as a word lately due to its overuse in politically correct speech.
Just an observation, I don't wanna debate it, I could be totally wrong but that's what I've noticed is everyone calling each other racist while the real racists feel safer and more powerful
I don't think you're wrong and actually agree 100%. The word and claim gets thrown around waaaay too quickly and easily nowadays.
Won't speak for anyone else but I saw no problem with it.
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
I saw a lot of ugliness, not like T-Bone or others may see, I'm not a minority I can really just see things from my lens, but i saw ugliness all around on all sides. And who knows, I hope not, but maybe I even subconsciously contributed to it. I don't think so, but like I said, I can only see things from my perspective though I always try and consider others.
These days it seems to me being branded a racist is a scarlet letter that is a career ender and life changer. People lose jobs, lose opportunities, and learn some very painful life lessons that IMO in 2018 hate and intolerance are not acceptable. Sure there are pockets or small groups that foster hate, but society has changed IMO.
And I'm not suggesting those consequences shouldn't be the case, but I believe there were times when that was not the case. And not too long ago.
With the access and exposure people have today, everything is on camera. Which is why I feel like it seems people may appear more emboldened, but I don't think they are. I think it's the opposite. White Supremacist rallies have 20 people and the counter protests have thousands. it's literally that one-sided - but they do bring all the media attention to the 20. Because it's the bogeyman people want to see.
I no longer live in the projects, I own a house in the suburbs, but it's still a semi-diverse community and I feel proud that my kids have a diverse group of friends and maybe I'm the naive one, but I believe in this generation MLK's dream has a chance. My kids, who are in their teens, truly I believe do judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin and I am proud of that.
I think the good FAR outweighs the bad in todays society, but the bad makes the news. Just like in the NFL, and other microcosms - arrests and negative incidents get the leads, but the players visiting sick kids or doing good tings get buried.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, don't care if its tl/dr just hate seeing stuff like this without believing it's small samples of the population, not a trend.
Recently though these folks have found some acceptance, protection, I don't know what it is but they have slowly built up the courage to come out of hiding and when they do they find their numbers are growing. It is not a good direction.
Doing my best to not make this political and I'm not singling out any particular administration, since this uprising spans multiple.
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The media and twitter heroes are calling everyone they can a racist or a Nazi or a kkk member etc etc and rightfully so in some cases ..
But they also call completely non racist people and personalities racist etc for not agreeing etc with the agendas
So basically the real racists, whites etc get very confident because not only is everyone a racist these days in the eyes of their enemies but they feel safer as well because if they get called a racist they can always say it's fake news or a Soros setup . And they will get passes in some cases.
Calling someone a racist used to be very deep and insulting.
It's lost some of its zest and spice as a word lately due to its overuse in politically correct speech.
Just an observation, I don't wanna debate it, I could be totally wrong but that's what I've noticed is everyone calling each other racist while the real racists feel safer and more powerful
I don't think you're wrong and actually agree 100%. The word and claim gets thrown around waaaay too quickly and easily nowadays.
I agree the racist label gets overused and many times without just cause, but I disagree people are desensitized to it. If they weren't this story wouldn't be viral.
I cannot think of many things you can accuse someone of in today's society worse than being racist. Can you?
It's the hierarchy of evil: murder, child molester, rapist, then racist. what else is worse? domestic violence? kidnapping?
ESPN removed a reporter from a UVA/VT game whose name was Robert Lee b/c that might be confused with Robert E Lee and be viewed as racist. Granted it was right after the Charlottesville incident, but get a grip. People are more evolved than that I'd hope.
the guy is Asian.
WTF? If that doesn't signal to you that people take this seriously (too seriously in that case), not sure what will.
Like I said - I can't "prove" anything - it's my perception just like everyone else has theirs. All I know is that cars at train stations near me weren't covered in KKK flyers up until semi-recently.
Whether racism is more widespread or not, no one can debate that it still exists and is still an issue here and probably will be for as long as we live.
That doesn't give people the right to throw the label around to those who don't deserve it. But I don't think we should just be dismissive of it or call people overreactive simply because perhaps some areas aren't quite as bad as they were before.
It's still a pretty significant issue if you ask me.
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For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
Had to investigate it.
A hispanic community that well, picks cotton. Their symbol is 2 cotton stems. They can't understand why anyone would think it offensive. They are proud of the fact. Interestingly enough, a minority community that is proud of themselves. School looks like it's a good one academically. 13 to 1 student/teacher ratio.
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I'd say in some... maybe even most cases more likely... that may be true... but not even close to all cases. I can't say what I want to say but I'll just say that there are people who have been labeled as such and yet are still doing quite well for themselves.
The event that happened in Charlottesville a few months ago had a few hundred people attend it. I've seen reports of how the KKK and other racist organizations are actually growing in numbers now. What happened in Charlottesville wasn't between only a few dozen racist men vs a few thousand people on the other side.
I guess we'll see. I'm not as hopeful as I once was to be honest. Racism is a learned behavior and it appears to continue to be passed down from generation to generation. I saw a video yesterday of a fraternity getting kicked off Syracuse U's campus because a racist video popped up (and this one wasn't just against blacks either). I saw another video yesterday where a young white woman has been kicked out of her sorority for what she said in a video. I've seen videos where whole busfulls of kids are chanting the word 'Nigger' with joy.
I don't know buddy... I hope you're right that maybe this next generation will get things right... but, like I said, I'm not as hopeful as I was just a few years ago.
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For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
Had to investigate it.
A hispanic community that well, picks cotton. Their symbol is 2 cotton stems. They can't understand why anyone would think it offensive. They are proud of the fact. Interestingly enough, a minority community that is proud of themselves. School looks like it's a good one academically. 13 to 1 student/teacher ratio. Link - ( New Window )
Thank you ctc.
I personally don't have an issue with that name considering what or who they are referring to. They have a reason to be proud of that name... most black folks though, probably wouldn't. There's a difference there.
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For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
Had to investigate it.
A hispanic community that well, picks cotton. Their symbol is 2 cotton stems. They can't understand why anyone would think it offensive. They are proud of the fact. Interestingly enough, a minority community that is proud of themselves. School looks like it's a good one academically. 13 to 1 student/teacher ratio. Link - ( New Window )
That is correct, it is either 2 cotton stems or just one cotton stem with a big red R in the middle (which is the one mostly decorating their school fences, sports fields and most of the logos for the school.
Great BBQ in the area and the people are very proud of their heritage. Speaking to people in the area, they feel proud of it and won't bend to public pressure to change it.
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For work, I spent some time in Texas and every week I had to drive by this HS and always was shocked their school mascot was Cottonpickers. Link - ( New Window )
I'm almost afraid to ask but, what did their mascot look like? I don't see it on the linked page.
Had to investigate it.
A hispanic community that well, picks cotton. Their symbol is 2 cotton stems. They can't understand why anyone would think it offensive. They are proud of the fact. Interestingly enough, a minority community that is proud of themselves. School looks like it's a good one academically. 13 to 1 student/teacher ratio. Link - ( New Window )
Thank you ctc.
I personally don't have an issue with that name considering what or who they are referring to. They have a reason to be proud of that name... most black folks though, probably wouldn't. There's a difference there.
Oh I understand completely. Why I looked into it.
College
Dating
Career
Every one of those aspects he has not just hindered for himself
But here, I don't even understand how that is supposed to be funny.
I am a big believer in human nature never changing, ever. Certain things may be more or less acceptable to say out loud, but I don't think people privately think in much less of a racially conscious way than they did 50 or 60 years ago. And that goes for all people of all races and backgrounds. And I don't think it will ever change, either.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
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as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
I think that was a joke. I think.
Indeed. When everything is racist, nothing is racist and the word loses much of its meaning and impact. Which, of course, benefits the actual honest-to-God racists.
Incidentally, the talk of high school mascots brings two semi-related things to mind:
-There's a high school in Arizona whose teams are the Redskins, and the school's student body is almost 100% Navajo children. Red Mesa High School
-Not really here or there, but it's always made me laugh: Yuma High School, also in Arizona, calls its teams the Criminals
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as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
.... and it sails right over the right fielder's head for a stand up double!
LOL!
But here, I don't even understand how that is supposed to be funny.
lawguy - that's what was confusing to me as well! It was like... he just decided to be racist for no real reason at all because the 'joke' was lame and unfunny.
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as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
.... and it sails right over the right fielder's head for a stand up double!
Ha! Sorry. Also watching champions league game and should have paid full attention to this before I commented. Carry on. :)
I know right... I'd rather you just stick to your guns and say 'Fuck it... I said it so I must've meant it.'. While writing that sign out I'm sure he wasn't confused as to whether anyone who saw it would find it offensive or not.
Thinking about it some more though... it reminds me of something I saw on social media somewhere recently that says something like 'I don't care about the person that talked behind my back to you... I want to know why they felt comfortable talking behind my back to you?'... or something like that. I'd like to know why that kid thought sending the young lady he was asking out to the prom would go over well? That is... if it didn't. If it did... well... there's my answer I suppose.
It appears it did.
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I'd like to know why that kid thought sending the young lady he was asking out to the prom would go over well? That is... if it didn't. If it did... well... there's my answer I suppose.
It appears it did.
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Ha! Thanks Mad Mike.
So... like I said, apparently she appears to share his attitude towards black folks. Can't say I'm shocked. I would've figured the kid had some HUGE balls to send something like that to someone without knowing how they'd react.
you're right, he's a completely irredeemable person.
Why did he write the sign?
The First Amendment protects his right to be an asshole. But it doesn't protect him from consequences for being an asshole, and he's probably going to feeling that blowback for years to come. A lot of people won't date him. Or hire him. Or have him for a roommate. Or patronize businesses where he works.
Well, we want to punish him for the sickening sign he made, right? Not rewarding him by preventing him from working and giving him all day to spend at home, or taking a girl out to see overpriced reboot movies. Hell, she said yes to the ridiculous sign, didn't she?
If you think because he made a racist comment, he is black listed from any work, think again. He could just always change his name.
If you rattled this kid's name off the top of your head in 5 years, or even one year from now, I highly doubt anyone will remember what it is linked to unless you personally care about it so much. He could just offer a contrived "I'm sorry" and we're on our way because we've moved on to the next hot topic. There is no real relevance behind finding a date anymore and a racist sign at 18.
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as well as the linked publication, I haven't seen a single person take the time to ask the kid if he has a black friend or not, which would potentially clean up this whole mess.
Lol, that would clean up the mess? I think we're passed the "I have a black friend so I'm not a racist" argument these days.
.... and it sails right over the right fielder's head for a stand up double!
Ha! Sorry. Also watching champions league game and should have paid full attention to this before I commented. Carry on. :)
Just busting your chops. :)
wow dude u really got teh snowflakes w trigger warning lol so witty
Seriously, you are a fucking garbage poster.
Only on BBI can a thread about a clearly racially motivated sign turn into people complaining about the world being too PC.
Fuck that stupid kid, fuck him and fuck his dumb sign. Hopefully he gets fucked for it.
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nowadays that goes onto the Internet and it'll be the first thing that comes up on web searches for his name for, well, probably forever.
The First Amendment protects his right to be an asshole. But it doesn't protect him from consequences for being an asshole, and he's probably going to feeling that blowback for years to come. A lot of people won't date him. Or hire him. Or have him for a roommate. Or patronize businesses where he works.
Well, we want to punish him for the sickening sign he made, right? Not rewarding him by preventing him from working and giving him all day to spend at home, or taking a girl out to see overpriced reboot movies. Hell, she said yes to the ridiculous sign, didn't she?
If you think because he made a racist comment, he is black listed from any work, think again. He could just always change his name.
If you rattled this kid's name off the top of your head in 5 years, or even one year from now, I highly doubt anyone will remember what it is linked to unless you personally care about it so much. He could just offer a contrived "I'm sorry" and we're on our way because we've moved on to the next hot topic. There is no real relevance behind finding a date anymore and a racist sign at 18.
Kid's fucked and rightfully so. You think employers don't google applicants? Think again
Par for the course for one a poster cut from the same ilk as liverwurst.
Make him suffer with the rest of us by having him become a part of the working class and move on. It's not the first incident where something like this has been posted online, someone makes a truly racist costume every single time Halloween comes around and it is the same thing. I barely remember the incident let alone remember the person's name or face. It is way too common.
Besides if he was dumb enough to think of a dumb racist idea such as that was fine, and then on top of, he is stupid enough to send it through social media where everyone can see it? He might not even be wise enough in the first place to land a job worthy enough to have his "career" ruined. He just sounds like a racist waste who wouldn't go anywhere in life anyway.
Me? I have a job and I will be there for 8 years next month. I am not going anywhere. I do have a LinkedIn and articles I've written for my school and other publications. It just sits there idle. I made the LinkedIn for college when I graduated in 2015 so I obviously understand how the process works. Just tired of hearing not working as an actual threat/punishment. Most of these kids are lazy bums these days anyway.
Par for the course for one a poster cut from the same ilk as liverwurst.
first of all, you need to give a trigger warning before being mean to me.
second of all--that pic shows that people from across different races can make bad signs. Did he make the sign out of the racial hatred in his heart or a bad joke? I don't know--I am sure you know him well enough to make that decision.
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The sign you posted leaves more questions than answers. Why are three girls asking a guy to the prom?
I assumed the message was directed to three different prospective dates (not necessarily boys, BTW). You’re right, though: one popular kid might be on the receiving end of a triple invitation. Prom has become much more free-form: groups go together as “dates”, friends go together without embarrassment or apology. It’s not quite ”Wild Wild Country”, but the conventions have loosened up.
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*trigger warning*
the big difference between this sign and the OP was “if I was black I would be picking cotton” The sign you posted leaves more questions than answers. Why are three girls asking a guy to the prom?
Thank you Les. I would’ve thought the difference between the two signs was pretty apparent but I guess some will go to any lengths to excuse racism (like suggesting one doesn’t know what’s truly in that kid’s heart for instance... or blowing it off as not a big deal).
Thank you Les. I would’ve thought the difference between the two signs was pretty apparent but I guess some will go to any lengths to excuse racism (like suggesting one doesn’t know what’s truly in that kid’s heart for instance... or blowing it off as not a big deal).
complaining/outrage over Feely and the prom is snowflake
*This* is not snowflake. It's actually real.
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Thank you Les. I would’ve thought the difference between the two signs was pretty apparent but I guess some will go to any lengths to excuse racism (like suggesting one doesn’t know what’s truly in that kid’s heart for instance... or blowing it off as not a big deal).
madgiantscow tries really hard to use terms like snowflake, trigger warnings and pearl clutching lingo to disparage anyone who take offense at the unquestionable racist sign in the OP. maybe he would take offense if the promposal sign said "if I was white, I would be picking up my spam from walmart, but I'm picking you for the prom."
I personally feel like all those terms that are being thrown around lately (snowflake, 'triggered' and 'pearl clutching') are childish and immature. Not surprising considering from they've seemed to originated from. I just find this line particularly funny:
It's funny because whenever there's an incident involving a minority doing something stupid I don't believe I've once seen him suggest wondering what's in that person's 'heart' before passing judgement. But here we have this kid and suddenly we should wonder whether he's really meant for his sign to be racist or whether he was just 'joking'.
the NAACP is calling for expulsion.
How do you appropriately punish this kid and set a tenable precedent as well as a deterrent?
the NAACP is calling for expulsion.
How do you appropriately punish this kid and set a tenable precedent as well as a deterrent?
I honestly don't know.
Not being allowed to attend the prom is a given.
Perhaps some kind of school discipline such as a week suspension and maybe perhaps some kind of community service would be fair I guess.
But I don't know if expulsion is necessary and that's just my opinion.
The reason why I'm not sure what should 'appropriately' be done to punish him, that will at the same time be sure to act as a deterrent, is that short of him having some kind of life altering experience... I don't see what can be done to him to erase this racism from his heart. He sent this to a girl who 'liked' his message. Think about that... that means there's a whole group of these kids who think that there was nothing wrong with his sign. Had she reacted differently and shunned him that would've MAYBE had the greatest affect on him... but instead she gave him a thumbs up.
So what do you think?
Sorry SomeFan but I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I've never said 'everyone' is racist... where are you getting that from?
ESPN removed a reporter from a UVA/VT game whose name was Robert Lee b/c that might be confused with Robert E Lee and be viewed as racist. Granted it was right after the Charlottesville incident, but get a grip. People are more evolved than that I'd hope.
the guy is Asian.
That was really was insane. But it's ESPN - MSESPN, to be precise. ;)
ESPN has had a ton of low points. That may have been the lowest.
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He's apparently not going to the prom (big deal) which sounded like a mutual decision between the school and the family and the school is considering disciplinary action.
the NAACP is calling for expulsion.
How do you appropriately punish this kid and set a tenable precedent as well as a deterrent?
I honestly don't know.
Not being allowed to attend the prom is a given.
Perhaps some kind of school discipline such as a week suspension and maybe perhaps some kind of community service would be fair I guess.
But I don't know if expulsion is necessary and that's just my opinion.
The reason why I'm not sure what should 'appropriately' be done to punish him, that will at the same time be sure to act as a deterrent, is that short of him having some kind of life altering experience... I don't see what can be done to him to erase this racism from his heart. He sent this to a girl who 'liked' his message. Think about that... that means there's a whole group of these kids who think that there was nothing wrong with his sign. Had she reacted differently and shunned him that would've MAYBE had the greatest affect on him... but instead she gave him a thumbs up.
So what do you think?
I don't know.
I wish there was simple answer, but there's not.
It actually really is helping a handful of people. Racism is now a money making industry. Those who do not see that are the ones who are helping to fuel that industry.
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is not helping anyone. It is likely making people paranoid and hopeless. If everyone is so racist, why should I even try?
It actually really is helping a handful of people. Racism is now a money making industry. Those who do not see that are the ones who are helping to fuel that industry.
Wow... racism is an industry? Never knew that.
How can I get in on some of that money?
While it can, and in my opinion likely, to be reduced, it will never disappear. Same with religious intolerance and, for that matter, all forms of intolerance. Someone will always need a scapegoat, an "other", to blame for their own shortcomings and lack of success.
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and I don't believe there ever will be unfortunately. I'm not sure we as a species will ever evolve to the point of racism being eradicated... at least not in my lifetime and I'd bet not for a few generations to come.
While it can, and in my opinion likely, to be reduced, it will never disappear. Same with religious intolerance and, for that matter, all forms of intolerance. Someone will always need a scapegoat, an "other", to blame for their own shortcomings and lack of success.
I doubt it'll even be reduced... at least not to a point of any real significance anyway. Not when you have some people on this very thread willingly showing an indifference... if not dismiss entirely... an issue that greatly affects a group of people. On a thread that had about 15 to 20 people post on it (maybe... I didn't actually go and count) you had about 3 to 4 people who posted something that, IMO, doesn't help fix this issue. That's just on this thread... on this site. One thread and at least a quarter of those that posted on it show a clear lack of empathy or understanding of how a picture like that hurts a person's feelings. Instead I get told that maybe it was just a joke... or that the anger I have seeing yet another picture like that appear in the news is only done to make someone money... or some other bullshit.
And then you wonder why we are angry.