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Go on record... guy you want the least at 2?

DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 2:08 pm
Darnold
Mayfield
Barkley
Rosen
Allen
Chubb

Who of the "realistic" #2 picks do you want the least in the group?

Chubb  
dep026 : 4/24/2018 2:09 pm : link
...
Barkley  
Go Terps : 4/24/2018 2:09 pm : link
.
Rosen  
figgy2989 : 4/24/2018 2:10 pm : link
.
I just can't wrap my head around  
Keith : 4/24/2018 2:10 pm : link
a RB at 2. I'm a numbers guy and valuewise, it would be a terrible move, IMO.
Of those on the list...  
Milton : 4/24/2018 2:10 pm : link
Chubb
rosen  
sundayatone : 4/24/2018 2:10 pm : link
so our current qb problem will have some clarity.
Allen  
Sean : 4/24/2018 2:10 pm : link
.
Chubb  
Jay on the Island : 4/24/2018 2:11 pm : link
Allen
Big Time  
Frbuff : 4/24/2018 2:12 pm : link
Rosen
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/24/2018 2:12 pm : link
I'd be happy with either Darnold or Barkley.
RE: Of those on the list...  
Milton : 4/24/2018 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13928500 Milton said:
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Chubb
I would put a higher value on Chubb if the Giants were committed to a 4-3 system.
Barkley  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 2:13 pm : link
.
Barkley  
V.I.G. : 4/24/2018 2:13 pm : link
least by a mile
.  
arcarsenal : 4/24/2018 2:13 pm : link
Chubb
Rosen  
Danny Kanell : 4/24/2018 2:13 pm : link
.
Chubb  
Phil in LA : 4/24/2018 2:14 pm : link
.
Allen  
Scyber : 4/24/2018 2:14 pm : link
.
Josh Rosen  
Mike in NY : 4/24/2018 2:14 pm : link
.
Chubb  
Pete from Woodstock : 4/24/2018 2:15 pm : link
not sure how well he'll fit into a 3-4 defense.
Least at 2?  
Chris684 : 4/24/2018 2:15 pm : link
Chubb.

Any QB we take  
Phil in LA : 4/24/2018 2:15 pm : link
will be one Shurmur believes in, so I'll accept even the oft dinged Rosen,
RE: Josh Rosen  
Mike in NY : 4/24/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13928523 Mike in NY said:
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Josh Allen as well. Both I am not confident will succeed in NFL.
Least at 2  
EliManning : 4/24/2018 2:15 pm : link
Mayfield
Allen
Chubb
Rosen
Barkley
Darnold


Least  
jvm52106 : 4/24/2018 2:16 pm : link
it is tough because previously I would have said something else. But, I have changed my mind some:

Barkley at 2 is just wrong. With the make up of our team he will not have the effect many people think. Our Oline still needs help and we still lack quality depth on defense at many positions. Plus, there are a lot of running backs that can be more than quality players and as such it is a waste to go after Barkley here.
Chubb  
jeff57 : 4/24/2018 2:16 pm : link
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Barkley  
John in Loudoun : 4/24/2018 2:16 pm : link
But I would prefer a trade down to 4 for Nelson and additional picks.
allen  
Heisenberg : 4/24/2018 2:17 pm : link
.
Three way tie  
ghost718 : 4/24/2018 2:18 pm : link
Darnold,Mayfield,Allen
Allen easily  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/24/2018 2:18 pm : link
.
Josh Allen.  
Mike from SI : 4/24/2018 2:19 pm : link
He's the only one I'd be worried about.
Darnold  
bigbb : 4/24/2018 2:20 pm : link
Or Allen.... No thanks
Allen.  
Ryan in Albany : 4/24/2018 2:20 pm : link
.
Chubb  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/24/2018 2:21 pm : link
and I'm flabbergasted by those who say Rosen. The guy is a stud.
Chubb only in a trade down to 4  
GFAN52 : 4/24/2018 2:22 pm : link
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if we take a QB I want Rosen  
djm : 4/24/2018 2:22 pm : link
if not, Barkley.

there's something to be said for gathering home run hitting field tilters like Beckham and Barkley. If you wanna go for it one more time, no better player to go after than Barkley.
...  
Saos1n : 4/24/2018 2:23 pm : link
Josh Allen
Allen  
superspynyg : 4/24/2018 2:23 pm : link
I don't think he will fix his inaccuracy
RE: Chubb  
Mike in NY : 4/24/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13928554 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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and I'm flabbergasted by those who say Rosen. The guy is a stud.


Not mobile, unable to stay healthy, questionable desire to be an NFL QB. Much of the talent around him busted and, unlike what Eli Manning had, they were well regarded out of High School. Eli Manning did more in college with less heralded talent around him. I just do not see a winning NFL QB.
Chubb & Barkley  
aimrocky : 4/24/2018 2:25 pm : link
I'm all in on needing a QB, specifically Rosen 1 & Darnold 1A.
really I will be  
Amtoft : 4/24/2018 2:25 pm : link
happy with whoever we get at #2. Our coaches and GM have way more information than we have. That being said out of the 4 QBs, Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson... the player I like the least is Darnold. Slower release, inexperienced, turnovers, etc. I just think he has the lowest ceiling of all the QBs. He doesn't have the highest floor either.

To me I would rank it as the following...

Nelson - probowl starting RG which we don't have day one
Barkley - stud RB that can do it all to help this offense
Josh Rosen - best QB of the bunch by far despite his concerns
Bradley Chubb - Would replace Vernon as soon as next year. Pass rushers are expensive and he is good
Josh Allen - The highest ceiling along with Rosen. His floor is much lower though. He reminds me of Brett Favre honestly.
Brad Mayfield - accurate strong arm... If you like Mahomes you should like Mayfield slightly better because that is what he is... A slightly better Mahomes.
Sam Darnold - Went into why he is my lowest of our possibles.
Mayfield.  
NorwoodWideRight : 4/24/2018 2:27 pm : link
Talented, but short, has attitude, bad footwork, too itchy in the pocket. I just can't see him being a Giant.
I'll say Josh Allen simply because I don't think they're seriously  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/24/2018 2:27 pm : link
considering Baker Mayfield. I'm very strongly anti-Mayfield and wouldn't want him in any round. I think Allen can be a good selection, just not at #2 with the players who will probably be available.
Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 2:28 pm : link
how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?
Rosen  
gogiants : 4/24/2018 2:29 pm : link
.
Chubb  
BlueHurricane : 4/24/2018 2:30 pm : link
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@2 Barkley  
phil in arizona : 4/24/2018 2:30 pm : link
That being said, I hope we trade down and pick up multiple hogmollies and linebackers.
RE: I'll say Josh Allen simply because I don't think they're seriously  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13928574 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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considering Baker Mayfield. I'm very strongly anti-Mayfield and wouldn't want him in any round. I think Allen can be a good selection, just not at #2 with the players who will probably be available.


The bold is absurd unless he slept with your sister.
Rosen  
GoDeep13 : 4/24/2018 2:31 pm : link
Please no.
RE: Interesting  
Mike in NY : 4/24/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13928575 DanMetroMan said:
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how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?


For me he is middle of the pack. The height is an issue, but I think with the right coaching staff he can succeed. Case Keenum is not a big QB and came from a run and shoot offense in college and look how Shurmur did with him. Given that we can have Mayfield sit for a year and learn NFL defenses I also have less concern about his transition. That being said, if we ever move on from Shurmur before Mayfield can mature we could end up with round peg and square hole.
RE: Interesting  
dep026 : 4/24/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13928575 DanMetroMan said:
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how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?


Dont think he is a mara player.
Nelson or Allen  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2018 2:31 pm : link
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Barkley  
jv : 4/24/2018 2:32 pm : link
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RE: I just can't wrap my head around  
Knee of Theismann : 4/24/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13928499 Keith said:
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a RB at 2. I'm a numbers guy and valuewise, it would be a terrible move, IMO.


Keith, I'm a numbers guy as well. I understand that the numbers generally speaking show drafting a RB at #2 overall is not a good use of resources (injury risk, shorter career-span, low positional value, serviceable RBs can be had in mid-rounds). But I would say three things:

1) In a bell curve, there are outliers, not EVERY RB in history has been not worth the #2 pick (I would absolutely take Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Adrian Peterson at #2 if they were available in this draft). Barkley received the highest rating of ANY PLAYER in Sy's 6 year history of covering the draft, and his combine numbers were off the charts, Barkley could be one of those rare special talents and is not just any RB.

2) Barkley catches the ball, runs routes, and pass blocks better than any RB coming out of college in a long time. He also has both speed AND power running abilities. He has more positional value than a typical RB.

3) Trends change and we have to take recent experience into account and consider it more valuable than old experience. With the successful "high" drafting of Fournette, Gurley, Elliot in the past few years, the old numbers while still important are not as significant as we might think. Yes, this assumes we need a strong o-line similar to the Jags and Cowboys, and we can build that in rounds 2 and 3 (and next year), but let's not discount the importance of those start RBs to their respective offenses.
RE: RE: Interesting  
Amtoft : 4/24/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13928587 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13928575 DanMetroMan said:


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how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?



For me he is middle of the pack. The height is an issue, but I think with the right coaching staff he can succeed. Case Keenum is not a big QB and came from a run and shoot offense in college and look how Shurmur did with him. Given that we can have Mayfield sit for a year and learn NFL defenses I also have less concern about his transition. That being said, if we ever move on from Shurmur before Mayfield can mature we could end up with round peg and square hole.


Keenum doesn't have nearly the arm Mayfield has... not even close. People don't talk about it but Mayfield has a cannon also. If it wasn't for Josh Allen and his superman arm it would be talked about more. Keenum has a weak arm, but saying Mayfield is a strong armed Keeunum is not a bad comparison. If Keenum had a stronger arm he would be one of the better QBs in the league so that is something to think about.
Barkley  
Reb8thVA : 4/24/2018 2:34 pm : link
or Chubb

you can never have too many play makers.
Barkley  
firedbytheboss : 4/24/2018 2:34 pm : link
It would be a terrible waste of draft capital to draft a rb at two.
Allen  
Sonic Youth : 4/24/2018 2:34 pm : link
Don't really want Chubb either. Want Darnold/Rosen, if not them then Mayfield/Barkley.
Least?  
mattyblue : 4/24/2018 2:35 pm : link
Any non QB.
Allen  
Kevin in CT : 4/24/2018 2:36 pm : link
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DollHands  
Diver_Down : 4/24/2018 2:36 pm : link
Darnold.
A trade down  
George from PA : 4/24/2018 2:36 pm : link
Getting some more picks
Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield  
chuckydee9 : 4/24/2018 2:36 pm : link
otherwise trade down hopefully to 4 or 5 and pick up Barkley or Nelson... either will drastically improve our Running game..
Allen  
Kevin in CT : 4/24/2018 2:36 pm : link
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Allen.  
Pascal4554 : 4/24/2018 2:37 pm : link
No thanks. Too much of a project.
It's Crazy  
EliManning : 4/24/2018 2:37 pm : link
How split BBI is on this pick. Either way we got, majority of the fan base is going be throwing the remote.
Rosen  
eric2425ny : 4/24/2018 2:38 pm : link
No thanks.
Rosen  
ij_reilly : 4/24/2018 2:38 pm : link
He can play, but he's fragile.

I'm accustomed to a QB who never misses a game!

Rosen isn't going to be that guy.
jfc, the way some of you people go on and on about Ezekiel Elliott  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 2:39 pm : link
4.1 YPC last year, and for all the chatter about how much he supposedly means to the Cowboys, they were 6-4 with him and 3-3 without him, and one of the 6 wins with him was the meaningless season finale with an Eagles team that was resting for the playoffs and played Nate Sudfeld at QB for most of the game.

Elliott in ten starts (behind a much much better OL): 983 yards, 4.1 YPC, 7 TDs

Darkwa in eleven starts: 751 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs
I think Mayfield is the goods, and could be a great NFL QB  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 2:41 pm : link
But I do have reservations that his personality could be disastrous in NY - if he struggled early on, I don't know how well he could tune out the press sniping at him and the fans booing him.
Just a note... Mayfield  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 2:42 pm : link
59 MPH at the combine, better than Mahomes, Webb, Goff, Wentz.
Go on record?  
SHO'NUFF : 4/24/2018 2:42 pm : link
what are you...a teenage girl?
Barkley...  
M.S. : 4/24/2018 2:43 pm : link

...least.
RE: Go on record?  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13928630 SHO'NUFF said:
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what are you...a teenage girl?


What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.

"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
Greg...  
Chris684 : 4/24/2018 2:44 pm : link
What does your pile of useless information above have to do with Saquon Barkley?
If Giants go non-QB, I prefer a trade down.  
Boy Cord : 4/24/2018 2:45 pm : link
Chubb is the exception if they feel he is a difference maker as a pass rusher.
RE: RE: Go on record?  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13928634 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13928630 SHO'NUFF said:


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what are you...a teenage girl?



What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.


Consider the source, Dan.
Rosen  
Bill L : 4/24/2018 2:46 pm : link
is a remote thrower.
RE: Greg...  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13928635 Chris684 said:
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What does your pile of useless information above have to do with Saquon Barkley?


Point out to me where I reference Certain Sure-Fire Gold Jacket Hall of Famer™ Saquon Barkley in my comment. I'll wait.....for quite a while, since there wasn't one, dolt.
Allen and Mayfield  
Tom in DC : 4/24/2018 2:48 pm : link
to me have too much of a boom/bust thing going on. Even though its too high for the position, Barkly or Nelson would be a safe pick.
RE: jfc, the way some of you people go on and on about Ezekiel Elliott  
figgy2989 : 4/24/2018 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13928622 Greg from LI said:
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4.1 YPC last year, and for all the chatter about how much he supposedly means to the Cowboys, they were 6-4 with him and 3-3 without him, and one of the 6 wins with him was the meaningless season finale with an Eagles team that was resting for the playoffs and played Nate Sudfeld at QB for most of the game.

Elliott in ten starts (behind a much much better OL): 983 yards, 4.1 YPC, 7 TDs

Darkwa in eleven starts: 751 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs


Unsure if you’ve been waiting to post this, but I don’t see where Elliot was brought up in this thread.
The Giants are historically too  
oldog : 4/24/2018 2:48 pm : link
good a team to be picking second, so this question is just too embarrassing to answer.
Of the realistic options  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/24/2018 2:50 pm : link
1. Josh Allen
2. Mayfield close 2nd (talent not the issue but a ticking time bomb personality wise- could be worse than OBJ antics , not good for the leader of the team)
3. Chubb . High floor but not elite ceiling IMO. Could be wrong, Im back and forth on him because there is alot to like but I dont know if he is a high sack total guy on this level.
RE: RE: Go on record?  
arcarsenal : 4/24/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13928634 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13928630 SHO'NUFF said:


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what are you...a teenage girl?



What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.

"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."


He's bent out of shape because he started his own "go on record" thread last week about Eli that was framed much shittier and met with several responses in kind.
RE: RE: Go on record?  
Diver_Down : 4/24/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13928634 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13928630 SHO'NUFF said:


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what are you...a teenage girl?



What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.

"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."


Dan -

Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.
RE: RE: jfc, the way some of you people go on and on about Ezekiel Elliott  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13928650 figgy2989 said:
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Unsure if you’ve been waiting to post this, but I don’t see where Elliot was brought up in this thread.


I guess you don't read too closely.

[quote]RE: I just can't wrap my head around
Knee of Theismann : 2:32 pm : link : reply

.....

3) Trends change and we have to take recent experience into account and consider it more valuable than old experience. With the successful "high" drafting of Fournette, Gurley, Elliot in the past few years, the old numbers while still important are not as significant as we might think. Yes, this assumes we need a strong o-line similar to the Jags and Cowboys, and we can build that in rounds 2 and 3 (and next year), but let's not discount the importance of those start RBs to their respective offenses.
I'll go on the record and say....  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 2:56 pm : link
SHO'NUFF is the same guy who claimed that the Giants only drafted Clint Sintim because Al Groh and Tom Coughlin are supposedly best friends because they were on the same coaching staff, coaching opposite sides of the ball, almost 20 years before Sintim was drafted.
Man,  
Mr. Bungle : 4/24/2018 2:59 pm : link
a lot of people didn't comprehend the question.
Allen  
81_Great_Dane : 4/24/2018 3:01 pm : link
Great physical tools, pretty mediocre performance in college, despite them. I don't care if his coaching was sub-par, he did what he did and nobody who's performed like that in college has ever become a star NFL QB.

There's a first time for everything but I wouldn't take the risk at #2 overall.
Darnold or Barkley  
montanagiant : 4/24/2018 3:01 pm : link
Don't get the Darnold love at all and we are not in a position O-Line wise to enable Barkley to his fullest extent
RE: RE: RE: Go on record?  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13928667 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13928634 DanMetroMan said:


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In comment 13928630 SHO'NUFF said:


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what are you...a teenage girl?



What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.

"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."



Dan -

Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.


Thanks. I had no idea.
Allen  
ryanmkeane : 4/24/2018 3:07 pm : link
...
barkley or best available QB  
sshin05 : 4/24/2018 3:08 pm : link
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Chubb  
ArcadeSlumlord : 4/24/2018 3:10 pm : link
does NOTHING for me @ 2.
Rosen  
Dillon in Va : 4/24/2018 3:12 pm : link
or any QB. There's no consensus who the top QB is and they all have warts. Pass at #2 for QB position.

If Barkley is there, done deal for me.
seems we've done this "on the record" a few times  
GiantsLaw : 4/24/2018 3:13 pm : link
but again, anyone but a QB. If no QB we must maximize the value of the pick and trade down.
Rosen and Chubb  
Giants_West : 4/24/2018 3:20 pm : link
I have a bad feeling about Rosen. Guy seems to get rattled in big moments, succeeds when he can be the most robotic. All purpose DE can be found later and he isn't so much better than anyone else at the position that he is worth a pick at 2.

To put it in perspective, I am in favor of:

QB of staffs dreams>lucrative Trade back>Barkley>reasonable trade back>Anyone else Starting with R. Smith GA.

Note: Both trades would be contingent on 2019 1st round pick being included.
Chubb  
Jim in Tampa : 4/24/2018 3:20 pm : link
I hope that Mara, DG, Shurmur, Shula, etc. see the need that we have at QB and the HUGE opportunity lost if we don't address that need.

I prefer Rosen but I'd still be happy with whatever QB that they choose.

If they don't go QB I think it's a big mistake, but at least Barkley would potentially give us two big playmakers on Offense if he were the pick.

Chubb would be over-drafted at 2 and a big, big disappointment if he were the choice. Would have selected Nelson as the worst choice if he was included on the OP's list.
Allen  
RobCarpenter : 4/24/2018 3:27 pm : link
Followed by Mayfield.
Any of the flawed QBs  
TMS : 4/24/2018 3:28 pm : link
trade down and get Nelson and as many picks/ players as you can get. A strong draft could get us back into contention next year. Then we will see if DG is the draft guru that he has been touted to be. Good to go with ELI and Webb next year with an improved cast.
Barkley  
Lowell : 4/24/2018 3:28 pm : link
.
You anti Rosen folks are nuts  
aimrocky : 4/24/2018 3:29 pm : link
he looks and sounds like a franchise QB. Sure, durability is a concern, but it's not enough of a red flag to cross him off the list.
Any of the flawed QBs  
TMS : 4/24/2018 3:29 pm : link
trade down and get Nelson and as many picks/ players as you can get. A strong draft could get us back into contention next year. Then we will see if DG is the draft guru that he has been touted to be. Good to go with ELI and Webb next year with an improved cast.
RE: You anti Rosen folks are nuts  
Bill L : 4/24/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13928779 aimrocky said:
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he looks and sounds like a franchise QB. Sure, durability is a concern, but it's not enough of a red flag to cross him off the list.
It is for me. If I had the chance to draft Andrew Luck right now, I wouldn't.
please no  
OBJRoyal : 4/24/2018 3:31 pm : link
Rosen at 2
RE: I'll go on the record and say....  
SHO'NUFF : 4/24/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13928672 Greg from LI said:
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SHO'NUFF is the same guy who claimed that the Giants only drafted Clint Sintim because Al Groh and Tom Coughlin are supposedly best friends because they were on the same coaching staff, coaching opposite sides of the ball, almost 20 years before Sintim was drafted.


Damn, good memory! Seriously impressed. Or do you not these down in your handy dandy notebook of revenge?

And, yes, Sintim was definitely an Al Groh influenced pick... just like other picks in the TC era were Boston College-Syracuse influenced.
RE: RE: RE: Go on record?  
SHO'NUFF : 4/24/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13928667 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13928634 DanMetroMan said:


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In comment 13928630 SHO'NUFF said:


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what are you...a teenage girl?



What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.

"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."



Dan -

Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.


No disrespect to Dan, but this is a sports message board. There isn't any need for documentation or to go on record. It's not like this is a place of business where you need to CYA.
RE: RE: I'll say Josh Allen simply because I don't think they're seriously  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/24/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13928585 DanMetroMan said:
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The bold is absurd unless he slept with your sister.


I think Mayfield is a very overrated prospect who doesn't have any plus physical skills. Most importantly, I don't think he can be a QB who would perform well late in the season outdoors in the northeast. For the Giants, I think he would be an absolutely awful fit. If you promised me he would play a minimum of 9 games indoors with Sean Payton as his coach, I would be far more interested.
Allen  
Bluesbreaker : 4/24/2018 3:44 pm : link
Watch Mayfield turn out to be Drew Breese II
I am not sold on any of the QB's I don't think Chubb is worthy of the #2 ...
I want Barkley but a trade down makes plenty of sense .
RE: You anti Rosen folks are nuts  
OBJRoyal : 4/24/2018 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13928779 aimrocky said:
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he looks and sounds like a franchise QB. Sure, durability is a concern, but it's not enough of a red flag to cross him off the list.


So the giants are going to go from a guy who started 200+ straight games to a guy with durability concerns??? Highly unlikely
Any of the qb's  
charlito : 4/24/2018 3:47 pm : link
Davis Webb will be our qb for the next 15 + years.
The QBs all have red flags  
fkap : 4/24/2018 3:48 pm : link
so it boils down to whether a non QB doesn't have enough value or whether the red flag of a QB is too big.

Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson seem to be safe picks and while the value isn't there, the lack of value isn't bad enough to be leaster than the red flags.

I'm scared of all the QBs, and it's hard to figure out which one I like least.

I'll go with an alternate what I'd like least. I'd like it least if a kick ass trade was available (especially with Cleveland) and Giants didn't take it. I'm not afraid of dropping to 12 if the haul is good enough.
At 2nd Overall  
Trainmaster : 4/24/2018 3:50 pm : link
Want Rosen least. Don’t want Mayfield either.

Without a trade down, Barkley is my clear first choice. If Barkley’s gone and there’s no trade down, I’d be OK with Darnold or Allen if Gettleman/Schmur/Shula were sold on them. If not, probably Chubb, then Nelson.
nelson  
CGiants07 : 4/24/2018 4:18 pm : link
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Allen  
X : 4/24/2018 4:20 pm : link
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Mayfield  
Rjanyg : 4/24/2018 4:25 pm : link
I used to think he was a player I could see a NY Giant, but he is so egotistical. He doesn't seem like a NY Giant type QB.
That's what funny about this draft for me...  
T-Bone : 4/24/2018 4:26 pm : link
I wouldn't be upset with any of those guys personally...

But the question is who I'd want the least... so I'd have to say Allen... followed by Mayfield.

Allen because I feel he has the highest bust potential.

Mayfield because I just don't like him as a person. Not feeling his personality. I get that he's one of those guys you supposedly love if he's on your team but hate if he isn't... but I'm not so sure I'd love him if he was a Giant. His attitude just rubs me the wrong way.

But again... I don't think I'd throw the remote at any of them.
Any QB  
mavric : 4/24/2018 4:27 pm : link
will make me turn off the TV and watch baseball instead of the draft. No one is going to replace Eli for the next 2 - 4 years so a drafted QB would simply sit and wait until 2020-2022 for a chance to show whether he's pumping NFL blood or not. Not to mention, would probably lose out to Webb anyway and a couple years down the road we trade the QB for a 5th round draft pick in 2020. No thank you.
Mayfield  
Watson : 4/24/2018 4:32 pm : link
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Mo Salah  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/24/2018 4:38 pm : link
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Barkley or Chubb  
Pete44 : 4/24/2018 4:43 pm : link
Gotta take a QB with this pick
Mayfield for me - I think I could rationalize any other pick  
PatersonPlank : 4/24/2018 4:45 pm : link
or trade situation
Easy  
pa_giant_fan : 4/24/2018 4:45 pm : link
Any QB
1A Barkley  
.McL. : 4/24/2018 4:47 pm : link
1B Allen
RE: Mo Salah  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13928903 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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Who is Mo Salah?
RE: RE: Mo Salah  
bw in dc : 4/24/2018 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13928935 Greg from LI said:
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Who is Mo Salah?


Liverpool forward.
Rosen  
Mr. Nickels : 4/24/2018 5:01 pm : link
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Least?  
bw in dc : 4/24/2018 5:03 pm : link
I don't want any part of Mayfield. I think he's decent value in the third round, but a ton of downside as a high first rounder. He's got more red flags than a public beach on a stormy day.

I only want three players if we stay at #2 - Darnold, LamJax or Chubb (reluctantly). Otherwise, trade out.
RE: Just a note... Mayfield  
.McL. : 4/24/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13928627 DanMetroMan said:
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59 MPH at the combine, better than Mahomes, Webb, Goff, Wentz.


For the record, Webb threw at 59 mph as well... Not sure why I keep seeing people saying it was less.

Not saying anything about Webb being franchise QB, quality starter, average or a clipboard holder. But there is no question about his arm.
I read this wrong....  
Reb8thVA : 4/24/2018 5:06 pm : link
I want Barkley or Chubb.

I don't want any of the QBs, especially Allen.
Well, that explains why I've never heard of him  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 5:10 pm : link
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RE: RE: Just a note... Mayfield  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13928958 .McL. said:
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In comment 13928627 DanMetroMan said:


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59 MPH at the combine, better than Mahomes, Webb, Goff, Wentz.



For the record, Webb threw at 59 mph as well... Not sure why I keep seeing people saying it was less.

Not saying anything about Webb being franchise QB, quality starter, average or a clipboard holder. But there is no question about his arm.


I'm a Giants fan so I have no reason to downplay Webb, I'm just quoting this list from Ourlads


Year: 2017

CJ Beathard, Iowa, 55 (Left), 52 (Right)

Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 51 (Left), 50 (Right)

Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 50 (Left), 51 (Right)

Brad Kaaya, Miami, 48 (Left), 47 (Right)

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, 52 (Left), 52 (Right)

Trevor Knight, Texas A&M, 55 (Left), 53 (Right)

Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, 53 (Left), 52 (Right)

Sefo Liufau, Colorado, 46 (Left), 44 (Right)

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)

Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)

Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, 45 (Left), 46 (Right)

Seth Russell, Baylor, 52 (Left), 49 (Right)

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina, 51 (Left), 50 (Right)

Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)

Davis Webb, California, 56 (Left), 54 (Right)
Link - ( New Window )
Rosen  
Geomon : 4/24/2018 5:10 pm : link
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No qb! Way too many better football players available.  
SterlingArcher : 4/24/2018 5:10 pm : link
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Darnold  
micky : 4/24/2018 5:14 pm : link
or any QB they may feel be the one that can take over for Eli (if not Webb).

Anyone else but a qb is fine, but if they do, I'll "go on record" on saying they will be committing franchise suicide if Webb fails in their apparent and/or ang one of these QBs go on to be a superb franchise qb in his career.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 5:14 pm : link
don't want Eric to come and murder me because BBI is my favorite site of all time but I just thought it would be interesting to have some "record" (for fun) regarding how right or wrong we were. The only thing about BBI I don't love is the archives. Please don't murder me Eric.
Chubb.  
yatqb : 4/24/2018 5:16 pm : link
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Oh  
DanMetroMan : 4/24/2018 5:24 pm : link
and I'll go with Chubb. He's not a freak athlete and I worry about him even in a hybrid 3-4. He might be fantastic but questionable value vs. a QB or a potential big time RB. Worth noting Jay Glazer said quite a few teams are putting more value on the RB position with the emergence/impact of guys like Gurley/Fournette. He seems pretty tied in. Not saying the Giants are one of those teams.
My preferred pick in order  
cokeduplt : 4/24/2018 5:27 pm : link
Rosen
Darnold
Mayfield
Barkley
Chubb
Barkley....  
BCD : 4/24/2018 5:28 pm : link
fast forward November.....BBI is going nuts Barkley over 1,000 yds Giants 9-1.
RE: RE: RE: Just a note... Mayfield  
.McL. : 4/24/2018 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13928966 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13928958 .McL. said:


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In comment 13928627 DanMetroMan said:


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59 MPH at the combine, better than Mahomes, Webb, Goff, Wentz.



For the record, Webb threw at 59 mph as well... Not sure why I keep seeing people saying it was less.

Not saying anything about Webb being franchise QB, quality starter, average or a clipboard holder. But there is no question about his arm.



I'm a Giants fan so I have no reason to downplay Webb, I'm just quoting this list from Ourlads


Year: 2017

CJ Beathard, Iowa, 55 (Left), 52 (Right)

Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 51 (Left), 50 (Right)

Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 50 (Left), 51 (Right)

Brad Kaaya, Miami, 48 (Left), 47 (Right)

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, 52 (Left), 52 (Right)

Trevor Knight, Texas A&M, 55 (Left), 53 (Right)

Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, 53 (Left), 52 (Right)

Sefo Liufau, Colorado, 46 (Left), 44 (Right)

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)

Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)

Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, 45 (Left), 46 (Right)

Seth Russell, Baylor, 52 (Left), 49 (Right)

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina, 51 (Left), 50 (Right)

Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)

Davis Webb, California, 56 (Left), 54 (Right) Link - ( New Window )


Must be a typo on Ourlads... Every other site has this...

http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Davis&l=Webb&i=22531
RE: RE: RE: RE: Just a note... Mayfield  
.McL. : 4/24/2018 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13929003 .McL. said:
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In comment 13928966 DanMetroMan said:


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In comment 13928958 .McL. said:


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In comment 13928627 DanMetroMan said:


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59 MPH at the combine, better than Mahomes, Webb, Goff, Wentz.



For the record, Webb threw at 59 mph as well... Not sure why I keep seeing people saying it was less.

Not saying anything about Webb being franchise QB, quality starter, average or a clipboard holder. But there is no question about his arm.



I'm a Giants fan so I have no reason to downplay Webb, I'm just quoting this list from Ourlads


Year: 2017

CJ Beathard, Iowa, 55 (Left), 52 (Right)

Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 51 (Left), 50 (Right)

Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 50 (Left), 51 (Right)

Brad Kaaya, Miami, 48 (Left), 47 (Right)

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, 52 (Left), 52 (Right)

Trevor Knight, Texas A&M, 55 (Left), 53 (Right)

Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, 53 (Left), 52 (Right)

Sefo Liufau, Colorado, 46 (Left), 44 (Right)

Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)

Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)

Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, 45 (Left), 46 (Right)

Seth Russell, Baylor, 52 (Left), 49 (Right)

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina, 51 (Left), 50 (Right)

Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)

Davis Webb, California, 56 (Left), 54 (Right) Link - ( New Window )



Must be a typo on Ourlads... Every other site has this...

http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Davis&l=Webb&i=22531


Looking at those numbers, Ourlads is measuring throws to the right and left... Perhaps the 59 is down the middle.
The one I'd like leat is anyone  
Jay in Toronto : 4/24/2018 5:46 pm : link
whom the Giants don't have the top grade on
Mayfield  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/24/2018 5:48 pm : link
Don’t want anything to do with that kid.
Rosen. Rosen. Rosen.  
wma31 : 4/24/2018 5:54 pm : link
He was my choice the moment we locked up the No. 2 pick and that hasn't changed for one second.

No need to overthink this. We have a 37 year old QB and a team with a lot of holes. Draft Rosen and have your post-Eli QB for the next decade.
Clearly I didn't read the question correctly. Haha.  
wma31 : 4/24/2018 5:56 pm : link
I want Rosen. I don't want Allen. That would be my worst pick.
Chubb.....  
Dry Lightning : 4/24/2018 6:11 pm : link
I don't want Allen or Rosen either. If Rosen stays healthy, he will be a good player though. I just don't think he is a fit for the Giants. The other two are gonna be busts.
no QB here as well  
Chip : 4/24/2018 6:27 pm : link
I concur with others none of them are top notch.
Chubb  
BigBlueJ : 4/24/2018 6:30 pm : link
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Any Non QB  
ZogZerg : 4/24/2018 6:35 pm : link
Find a trading partner
Darnold  
Mark from Jersey : 4/24/2018 6:53 pm : link
Too many turnovers. Seemed like a deer in headlights when questioned at the combine. I hate his throwing motion and was not happy that he didn't throw at the combine.

If we go QB I would rather have Rosen/Mayfield/Allen over him in that order.

That being said my gut really tells me its Chubb at 2 or in a tradedown to 4 or 4.
I misread the op sorry  
djm : 4/24/2018 7:17 pm : link
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Totals as of 7PM  
Eli Wilson : 4/24/2018 7:19 pm : link
If anyone cares:
Darnold - 11
Mayfield - 13
Barkley - 16
Allen - 29
Rosen - 20
Chubb - 22

As Eric said looks like we'll have a lot of unhappy people no matter what happens.
I guess I’d say Chubb  
djm : 4/24/2018 7:20 pm : link
But that’s unfair to him. I just want an exciting transcendent player and I’m not sure he’s it. Allen scares me but if the giants took him I’d be excited.

On second thought, I’d say darnold.

The last time I was bored with pick was flowers and apple. I defended them and understood both but they were sort of boring, especially apple.
Darnold  
Gmanfandan : 4/24/2018 8:01 pm : link
He really fits the mold of a Cleveland Browns first rounder - A bust.
Chubb  
KerrysFlask : 4/24/2018 9:01 pm : link
Overrated, no value at 2.

Josh Allen  
giantstock : 4/24/2018 10:51 pm : link
Heavy pass.
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