it is tough because previously I would have said something else. But, I have changed my mind some:
Barkley at 2 is just wrong. With the make up of our team he will not have the effect many people think. Our Oline still needs help and we still lack quality depth on defense at many positions. Plus, there are a lot of running backs that can be more than quality players and as such it is a waste to go after Barkley here.
there's something to be said for gathering home run hitting field tilters like Beckham and Barkley. If you wanna go for it one more time, no better player to go after than Barkley.
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and I'm flabbergasted by those who say Rosen. The guy is a stud.
Not mobile, unable to stay healthy, questionable desire to be an NFL QB. Much of the talent around him busted and, unlike what Eli Manning had, they were well regarded out of High School. Eli Manning did more in college with less heralded talent around him. I just do not see a winning NFL QB.
happy with whoever we get at #2. Our coaches and GM have way more information than we have. That being said out of the 4 QBs, Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson... the player I like the least is Darnold. Slower release, inexperienced, turnovers, etc. I just think he has the lowest ceiling of all the QBs. He doesn't have the highest floor either.
To me I would rank it as the following...
Nelson - probowl starting RG which we don't have day one
Barkley - stud RB that can do it all to help this offense
Josh Rosen - best QB of the bunch by far despite his concerns
Bradley Chubb - Would replace Vernon as soon as next year. Pass rushers are expensive and he is good
Josh Allen - The highest ceiling along with Rosen. His floor is much lower though. He reminds me of Brett Favre honestly.
Brad Mayfield - accurate strong arm... If you like Mahomes you should like Mayfield slightly better because that is what he is... A slightly better Mahomes.
Sam Darnold - Went into why he is my lowest of our possibles.
considering Baker Mayfield. I'm very strongly anti-Mayfield and wouldn't want him in any round. I think Allen can be a good selection, just not at #2 with the players who will probably be available.
how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?
considering Baker Mayfield. I'm very strongly anti-Mayfield and wouldn't want him in any round. I think Allen can be a good selection, just not at #2 with the players who will probably be available.
The bold is absurd unless he slept with your sister.
how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?
For me he is middle of the pack. The height is an issue, but I think with the right coaching staff he can succeed. Case Keenum is not a big QB and came from a run and shoot offense in college and look how Shurmur did with him. Given that we can have Mayfield sit for a year and learn NFL defenses I also have less concern about his transition. That being said, if we ever move on from Shurmur before Mayfield can mature we could end up with round peg and square hole.
how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?
a RB at 2. I'm a numbers guy and valuewise, it would be a terrible move, IMO.
Keith, I'm a numbers guy as well. I understand that the numbers generally speaking show drafting a RB at #2 overall is not a good use of resources (injury risk, shorter career-span, low positional value, serviceable RBs can be had in mid-rounds). But I would say three things:
1) In a bell curve, there are outliers, not EVERY RB in history has been not worth the #2 pick (I would absolutely take Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Adrian Peterson at #2 if they were available in this draft). Barkley received the highest rating of ANY PLAYER in Sy's 6 year history of covering the draft, and his combine numbers were off the charts, Barkley could be one of those rare special talents and is not just any RB.
2) Barkley catches the ball, runs routes, and pass blocks better than any RB coming out of college in a long time. He also has both speed AND power running abilities. He has more positional value than a typical RB.
3) Trends change and we have to take recent experience into account and consider it more valuable than old experience. With the successful "high" drafting of Fournette, Gurley, Elliot in the past few years, the old numbers while still important are not as significant as we might think. Yes, this assumes we need a strong o-line similar to the Jags and Cowboys, and we can build that in rounds 2 and 3 (and next year), but let's not discount the importance of those start RBs to their respective offenses.
how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?
For me he is middle of the pack. The height is an issue, but I think with the right coaching staff he can succeed. Case Keenum is not a big QB and came from a run and shoot offense in college and look how Shurmur did with him. Given that we can have Mayfield sit for a year and learn NFL defenses I also have less concern about his transition. That being said, if we ever move on from Shurmur before Mayfield can mature we could end up with round peg and square hole.
Keenum doesn't have nearly the arm Mayfield has... not even close. People don't talk about it but Mayfield has a cannon also. If it wasn't for Josh Allen and his superman arm it would be talked about more. Keenum has a weak arm, but saying Mayfield is a strong armed Keeunum is not a bad comparison. If Keenum had a stronger arm he would be one of the better QBs in the league so that is something to think about.
4.1 YPC last year, and for all the chatter about how much he supposedly means to the Cowboys, they were 6-4 with him and 3-3 without him, and one of the 6 wins with him was the meaningless season finale with an Eagles team that was resting for the playoffs and played Nate Sudfeld at QB for most of the game.
Elliott in ten starts (behind a much much better OL): 983 yards, 4.1 YPC, 7 TDs
Darkwa in eleven starts: 751 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs
I think Mayfield is the goods, and could be a great NFL QB Â
But I do have reservations that his personality could be disastrous in NY - if he struggled early on, I don't know how well he could tune out the press sniping at him and the fans booing him.
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
What does your pile of useless information above have to do with Saquon Barkley?
Point out to me where I reference Certain Sure-Fire Gold Jacket Hall of Famer™ Saquon Barkley in my comment. I'll wait.....for quite a while, since there wasn't one, dolt.
4.1 YPC last year, and for all the chatter about how much he supposedly means to the Cowboys, they were 6-4 with him and 3-3 without him, and one of the 6 wins with him was the meaningless season finale with an Eagles team that was resting for the playoffs and played Nate Sudfeld at QB for most of the game.
Elliott in ten starts (behind a much much better OL): 983 yards, 4.1 YPC, 7 TDs
Darkwa in eleven starts: 751 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs
Unsure if you’ve been waiting to post this, but I don’t see where Elliot was brought up in this thread.
1. Josh Allen
2. Mayfield close 2nd (talent not the issue but a ticking time bomb personality wise- could be worse than OBJ antics , not good for the leader of the team)
3. Chubb . High floor but not elite ceiling IMO. Could be wrong, Im back and forth on him because there is alot to like but I dont know if he is a high sack total guy on this level.
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
He's bent out of shape because he started his own "go on record" thread last week about Eli that was framed much shittier and met with several responses in kind.
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
Dan -
Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.
RE: RE: jfc, the way some of you people go on and on about Ezekiel Elliott Â
Unsure if you’ve been waiting to post this, but I don’t see where Elliot was brought up in this thread.
I guess you don't read too closely.
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3) Trends change and we have to take recent experience into account and consider it more valuable than old experience. With the successful "high" drafting of Fournette, Gurley, Elliot in the past few years, the old numbers while still important are not as significant as we might think. Yes, this assumes we need a strong o-line similar to the Jags and Cowboys, and we can build that in rounds 2 and 3 (and next year), but let's not discount the importance of those start RBs to their respective offenses.
SHO'NUFF is the same guy who claimed that the Giants only drafted Clint Sintim because Al Groh and Tom Coughlin are supposedly best friends because they were on the same coaching staff, coaching opposite sides of the ball, almost 20 years before Sintim was drafted.
Great physical tools, pretty mediocre performance in college, despite them. I don't care if his coaching was sub-par, he did what he did and nobody who's performed like that in college has ever become a star NFL QB.
There's a first time for everything but I wouldn't take the risk at #2 overall.
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
Dan -
Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.
I have a bad feeling about Rosen. Guy seems to get rattled in big moments, succeeds when he can be the most robotic. All purpose DE can be found later and he isn't so much better than anyone else at the position that he is worth a pick at 2.
To put it in perspective, I am in favor of:
QB of staffs dreams>lucrative Trade back>Barkley>reasonable trade back>Anyone else Starting with R. Smith GA.
Note: Both trades would be contingent on 2019 1st round pick being included.
I hope that Mara, DG, Shurmur, Shula, etc. see the need that we have at QB and the HUGE opportunity lost if we don't address that need.
I prefer Rosen but I'd still be happy with whatever QB that they choose.
If they don't go QB I think it's a big mistake, but at least Barkley would potentially give us two big playmakers on Offense if he were the pick.
Chubb would be over-drafted at 2 and a big, big disappointment if he were the choice. Would have selected Nelson as the worst choice if he was included on the OP's list.
trade down and get Nelson and as many picks/ players as you can get. A strong draft could get us back into contention next year. Then we will see if DG is the draft guru that he has been touted to be. Good to go with ELI and Webb next year with an improved cast.
trade down and get Nelson and as many picks/ players as you can get. A strong draft could get us back into contention next year. Then we will see if DG is the draft guru that he has been touted to be. Good to go with ELI and Webb next year with an improved cast.
SHO'NUFF is the same guy who claimed that the Giants only drafted Clint Sintim because Al Groh and Tom Coughlin are supposedly best friends because they were on the same coaching staff, coaching opposite sides of the ball, almost 20 years before Sintim was drafted.
Damn, good memory! Seriously impressed. Or do you not these down in your handy dandy notebook of revenge?
And, yes, Sintim was definitely an Al Groh influenced pick... just like other picks in the TC era were Boston College-Syracuse influenced.
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
Dan -
Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.
No disrespect to Dan, but this is a sports message board. There isn't any need for documentation or to go on record. It's not like this is a place of business where you need to CYA.
RE: RE: I'll say Josh Allen simply because I don't think they're seriously Â
The bold is absurd unless he slept with your sister.
I think Mayfield is a very overrated prospect who doesn't have any plus physical skills. Most importantly, I don't think he can be a QB who would perform well late in the season outdoors in the northeast. For the Giants, I think he would be an absolutely awful fit. If you promised me he would play a minimum of 9 games indoors with Sean Payton as his coach, I would be far more interested.
Watch Mayfield turn out to be Drew Breese II
I am not sold on any of the QB's I don't think Chubb is worthy of the #2 ...
I want Barkley but a trade down makes plenty of sense .
so it boils down to whether a non QB doesn't have enough value or whether the red flag of a QB is too big.
Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson seem to be safe picks and while the value isn't there, the lack of value isn't bad enough to be leaster than the red flags.
I'm scared of all the QBs, and it's hard to figure out which one I like least.
I'll go with an alternate what I'd like least. I'd like it least if a kick ass trade was available (especially with Cleveland) and Giants didn't take it. I'm not afraid of dropping to 12 if the haul is good enough.
Without a trade down, Barkley is my clear first choice. If Barkley’s gone and there’s no trade down, I’d be OK with Darnold or Allen if Gettleman/Schmur/Shula were sold on them. If not, probably Chubb, then Nelson.
I wouldn't be upset with any of those guys personally...
But the question is who I'd want the least... so I'd have to say Allen... followed by Mayfield.
Allen because I feel he has the highest bust potential.
Mayfield because I just don't like him as a person. Not feeling his personality. I get that he's one of those guys you supposedly love if he's on your team but hate if he isn't... but I'm not so sure I'd love him if he was a Giant. His attitude just rubs me the wrong way.
But again... I don't think I'd throw the remote at any of them.
will make me turn off the TV and watch baseball instead of the draft. No one is going to replace Eli for the next 2 - 4 years so a drafted QB would simply sit and wait until 2020-2022 for a chance to show whether he's pumping NFL blood or not. Not to mention, would probably lose out to Webb anyway and a couple years down the road we trade the QB for a 5th round draft pick in 2020. No thank you.
I don't want any part of Mayfield. I think he's decent value in the third round, but a ton of downside as a high first rounder. He's got more red flags than a public beach on a stormy day.
I only want three players if we stay at #2 - Darnold, LamJax or Chubb (reluctantly). Otherwise, trade out.
or any QB they may feel be the one that can take over for Eli (if not Webb).
Anyone else but a qb is fine, but if they do, I'll "go on record" on saying they will be committing franchise suicide if Webb fails in their apparent and/or ang one of these QBs go on to be a superb franchise qb in his career.
don't want Eric to come and murder me because BBI is my favorite site of all time but I just thought it would be interesting to have some "record" (for fun) regarding how right or wrong we were. The only thing about BBI I don't love is the archives. Please don't murder me Eric.
and I'll go with Chubb. He's not a freak athlete and I worry about him even in a hybrid 3-4. He might be fantastic but questionable value vs. a QB or a potential big time RB. Worth noting Jay Glazer said quite a few teams are putting more value on the RB position with the emergence/impact of guys like Gurley/Fournette. He seems pretty tied in. Not saying the Giants are one of those teams.
I don't want Allen or Rosen either. If Rosen stays healthy, he will be a good player though. I just don't think he is a fit for the Giants. The other two are gonna be busts.
Too many turnovers. Seemed like a deer in headlights when questioned at the combine. I hate his throwing motion and was not happy that he didn't throw at the combine.
If we go QB I would rather have Rosen/Mayfield/Allen over him in that order.
That being said my gut really tells me its Chubb at 2 or in a tradedown to 4 or 4.
But that’s unfair to him. I just want an exciting transcendent player and I’m not sure he’s it. Allen scares me but if the giants took him I’d be excited.
On second thought, I’d say darnold.
The last time I was bored with pick was flowers and apple. I defended them and understood both but they were sort of boring, especially apple.
Josh Allen as well. Both I am not confident will succeed in NFL.
Allen
Chubb
Rosen
Barkley
Darnold
Barkley at 2 is just wrong. With the make up of our team he will not have the effect many people think. Our Oline still needs help and we still lack quality depth on defense at many positions. Plus, there are a lot of running backs that can be more than quality players and as such it is a waste to go after Barkley here.
there's something to be said for gathering home run hitting field tilters like Beckham and Barkley. If you wanna go for it one more time, no better player to go after than Barkley.
Not mobile, unable to stay healthy, questionable desire to be an NFL QB. Much of the talent around him busted and, unlike what Eli Manning had, they were well regarded out of High School. Eli Manning did more in college with less heralded talent around him. I just do not see a winning NFL QB.
To me I would rank it as the following...
Nelson - probowl starting RG which we don't have day one
Barkley - stud RB that can do it all to help this offense
Josh Rosen - best QB of the bunch by far despite his concerns
Bradley Chubb - Would replace Vernon as soon as next year. Pass rushers are expensive and he is good
Josh Allen - The highest ceiling along with Rosen. His floor is much lower though. He reminds me of Brett Favre honestly.
Brad Mayfield - accurate strong arm... If you like Mahomes you should like Mayfield slightly better because that is what he is... A slightly better Mahomes.
Sam Darnold - Went into why he is my lowest of our possibles.
The bold is absurd unless he slept with your sister.
For me he is middle of the pack. The height is an issue, but I think with the right coaching staff he can succeed. Case Keenum is not a big QB and came from a run and shoot offense in college and look how Shurmur did with him. Given that we can have Mayfield sit for a year and learn NFL defenses I also have less concern about his transition. That being said, if we ever move on from Shurmur before Mayfield can mature we could end up with round peg and square hole.
Dont think he is a mara player.
Keith, I'm a numbers guy as well. I understand that the numbers generally speaking show drafting a RB at #2 overall is not a good use of resources (injury risk, shorter career-span, low positional value, serviceable RBs can be had in mid-rounds). But I would say three things:
1) In a bell curve, there are outliers, not EVERY RB in history has been not worth the #2 pick (I would absolutely take Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Adrian Peterson at #2 if they were available in this draft). Barkley received the highest rating of ANY PLAYER in Sy's 6 year history of covering the draft, and his combine numbers were off the charts, Barkley could be one of those rare special talents and is not just any RB.
2) Barkley catches the ball, runs routes, and pass blocks better than any RB coming out of college in a long time. He also has both speed AND power running abilities. He has more positional value than a typical RB.
3) Trends change and we have to take recent experience into account and consider it more valuable than old experience. With the successful "high" drafting of Fournette, Gurley, Elliot in the past few years, the old numbers while still important are not as significant as we might think. Yes, this assumes we need a strong o-line similar to the Jags and Cowboys, and we can build that in rounds 2 and 3 (and next year), but let's not discount the importance of those start RBs to their respective offenses.
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how few picked Mayfield so far (who I like a ton) is that because people like him more than most or just because they don't think he's even on the radar?
For me he is middle of the pack. The height is an issue, but I think with the right coaching staff he can succeed. Case Keenum is not a big QB and came from a run and shoot offense in college and look how Shurmur did with him. Given that we can have Mayfield sit for a year and learn NFL defenses I also have less concern about his transition. That being said, if we ever move on from Shurmur before Mayfield can mature we could end up with round peg and square hole.
Keenum doesn't have nearly the arm Mayfield has... not even close. People don't talk about it but Mayfield has a cannon also. If it wasn't for Josh Allen and his superman arm it would be talked about more. Keenum has a weak arm, but saying Mayfield is a strong armed Keeunum is not a bad comparison. If Keenum had a stronger arm he would be one of the better QBs in the league so that is something to think about.
you can never have too many play makers.
I'm accustomed to a QB who never misses a game!
Rosen isn't going to be that guy.
Elliott in ten starts (behind a much much better OL): 983 yards, 4.1 YPC, 7 TDs
Darkwa in eleven starts: 751 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs
...least.
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
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what are you...a teenage girl?
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
Consider the source, Dan.
Point out to me where I reference Certain Sure-Fire Gold Jacket Hall of Famer™ Saquon Barkley in my comment. I'll wait.....for quite a while, since there wasn't one, dolt.
Elliott in ten starts (behind a much much better OL): 983 yards, 4.1 YPC, 7 TDs
Darkwa in eleven starts: 751 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs
Unsure if you’ve been waiting to post this, but I don’t see where Elliot was brought up in this thread.
2. Mayfield close 2nd (talent not the issue but a ticking time bomb personality wise- could be worse than OBJ antics , not good for the leader of the team)
3. Chubb . High floor but not elite ceiling IMO. Could be wrong, Im back and forth on him because there is alot to like but I dont know if he is a high sack total guy on this level.
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what are you...a teenage girl?
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
He's bent out of shape because he started his own "go on record" thread last week about Eli that was framed much shittier and met with several responses in kind.
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what are you...a teenage girl?
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
Dan -
Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.
Unsure if you’ve been waiting to post this, but I don’t see where Elliot was brought up in this thread.
I guess you don't read too closely.
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3) Trends change and we have to take recent experience into account and consider it more valuable than old experience. With the successful "high" drafting of Fournette, Gurley, Elliot in the past few years, the old numbers while still important are not as significant as we might think. Yes, this assumes we need a strong o-line similar to the Jags and Cowboys, and we can build that in rounds 2 and 3 (and next year), but let's not discount the importance of those start RBs to their respective offenses.
There's a first time for everything but I wouldn't take the risk at #2 overall.
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what are you...a teenage girl?
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
Dan -
Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.
Thanks. I had no idea.
If Barkley is there, done deal for me.
To put it in perspective, I am in favor of:
QB of staffs dreams>lucrative Trade back>Barkley>reasonable trade back>Anyone else Starting with R. Smith GA.
Note: Both trades would be contingent on 2019 1st round pick being included.
I prefer Rosen but I'd still be happy with whatever QB that they choose.
If they don't go QB I think it's a big mistake, but at least Barkley would potentially give us two big playmakers on Offense if he were the pick.
Chubb would be over-drafted at 2 and a big, big disappointment if he were the choice. Would have selected Nelson as the worst choice if he was included on the OP's list.
Damn, good memory! Seriously impressed. Or do you not these down in your handy dandy notebook of revenge?
And, yes, Sintim was definitely an Al Groh influenced pick... just like other picks in the TC era were Boston College-Syracuse influenced.
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what are you...a teenage girl?
What? "Go on record" is a teenage girl term? Since when? Strange comment to say the least.
"Embrace a position publicly. For example, I want to go on record in favor of the mayor's reelection. It is also put as for the record, as in For the record, we support sending troops there. The record in both signifies either publication or public knowledge. Both expressions date from the first half of the 1900s, although slightly different phrases, such as put on record, are older. Also see just for the record; off the record."
Dan -
Sho'Nuff started a thread the other day for BBI to "go on the record" for who is quitting on Eli. There were prompt responses as to if he was a teenage girl. It must have struck a nerve because since then there has been other "go on the record" threads and Sho'Nuff's response/retort has been to ask if they are a teenage girl.
No disrespect to Dan, but this is a sports message board. There isn't any need for documentation or to go on record. It's not like this is a place of business where you need to CYA.
The bold is absurd unless he slept with your sister.
I think Mayfield is a very overrated prospect who doesn't have any plus physical skills. Most importantly, I don't think he can be a QB who would perform well late in the season outdoors in the northeast. For the Giants, I think he would be an absolutely awful fit. If you promised me he would play a minimum of 9 games indoors with Sean Payton as his coach, I would be far more interested.
I am not sold on any of the QB's I don't think Chubb is worthy of the #2 ...
I want Barkley but a trade down makes plenty of sense .
So the giants are going to go from a guy who started 200+ straight games to a guy with durability concerns??? Highly unlikely
Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson seem to be safe picks and while the value isn't there, the lack of value isn't bad enough to be leaster than the red flags.
I'm scared of all the QBs, and it's hard to figure out which one I like least.
I'll go with an alternate what I'd like least. I'd like it least if a kick ass trade was available (especially with Cleveland) and Giants didn't take it. I'm not afraid of dropping to 12 if the haul is good enough.
Without a trade down, Barkley is my clear first choice. If Barkley’s gone and there’s no trade down, I’d be OK with Darnold or Allen if Gettleman/Schmur/Shula were sold on them. If not, probably Chubb, then Nelson.
But the question is who I'd want the least... so I'd have to say Allen... followed by Mayfield.
Allen because I feel he has the highest bust potential.
Mayfield because I just don't like him as a person. Not feeling his personality. I get that he's one of those guys you supposedly love if he's on your team but hate if he isn't... but I'm not so sure I'd love him if he was a Giant. His attitude just rubs me the wrong way.
But again... I don't think I'd throw the remote at any of them.
Who is Mo Salah?
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Who is Mo Salah?
Liverpool forward.
I only want three players if we stay at #2 - Darnold, LamJax or Chubb (reluctantly). Otherwise, trade out.
For the record, Webb threw at 59 mph as well... Not sure why I keep seeing people saying it was less.
Not saying anything about Webb being franchise QB, quality starter, average or a clipboard holder. But there is no question about his arm.
I don't want any of the QBs, especially Allen.
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59 MPH at the combine, better than Mahomes, Webb, Goff, Wentz.
For the record, Webb threw at 59 mph as well... Not sure why I keep seeing people saying it was less.
Not saying anything about Webb being franchise QB, quality starter, average or a clipboard holder. But there is no question about his arm.
I'm a Giants fan so I have no reason to downplay Webb, I'm just quoting this list from Ourlads
Year: 2017
CJ Beathard, Iowa, 55 (Left), 52 (Right)
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 51 (Left), 50 (Right)
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 50 (Left), 51 (Right)
Brad Kaaya, Miami, 48 (Left), 47 (Right)
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, 52 (Left), 52 (Right)
Trevor Knight, Texas A&M, 55 (Left), 53 (Right)
Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, 53 (Left), 52 (Right)
Sefo Liufau, Colorado, 46 (Left), 44 (Right)
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)
Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)
Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, 45 (Left), 46 (Right)
Seth Russell, Baylor, 52 (Left), 49 (Right)
Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina, 51 (Left), 50 (Right)
Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)
Davis Webb, California, 56 (Left), 54 (Right)
Link - ( New Window )
Anyone else but a qb is fine, but if they do, I'll "go on record" on saying they will be committing franchise suicide if Webb fails in their apparent and/or ang one of these QBs go on to be a superb franchise qb in his career.
Darnold
Mayfield
Barkley
Chubb
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59 MPH at the combine, better than Mahomes, Webb, Goff, Wentz.
For the record, Webb threw at 59 mph as well... Not sure why I keep seeing people saying it was less.
Not saying anything about Webb being franchise QB, quality starter, average or a clipboard holder. But there is no question about his arm.
I'm a Giants fan so I have no reason to downplay Webb, I'm just quoting this list from Ourlads
Year: 2017
CJ Beathard, Iowa, 55 (Left), 52 (Right)
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 51 (Left), 50 (Right)
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 50 (Left), 51 (Right)
Brad Kaaya, Miami, 48 (Left), 47 (Right)
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, 52 (Left), 52 (Right)
Trevor Knight, Texas A&M, 55 (Left), 53 (Right)
Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, 53 (Left), 52 (Right)
Sefo Liufau, Colorado, 46 (Left), 44 (Right)
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)
Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)
Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, 45 (Left), 46 (Right)
Seth Russell, Baylor, 52 (Left), 49 (Right)
Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina, 51 (Left), 50 (Right)
Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)
Davis Webb, California, 56 (Left), 54 (Right) Link - ( New Window )
Must be a typo on Ourlads... Every other site has this...
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Davis&l=Webb&i=22531
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In comment 13928627 DanMetroMan said:
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59 MPH at the combine, better than Mahomes, Webb, Goff, Wentz.
For the record, Webb threw at 59 mph as well... Not sure why I keep seeing people saying it was less.
Not saying anything about Webb being franchise QB, quality starter, average or a clipboard holder. But there is no question about his arm.
I'm a Giants fan so I have no reason to downplay Webb, I'm just quoting this list from Ourlads
Year: 2017
CJ Beathard, Iowa, 55 (Left), 52 (Right)
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 51 (Left), 50 (Right)
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech 50 (Left), 51 (Right)
Brad Kaaya, Miami, 48 (Left), 47 (Right)
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, 52 (Left), 52 (Right)
Trevor Knight, Texas A&M, 55 (Left), 53 (Right)
Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, 53 (Left), 52 (Right)
Sefo Liufau, Colorado, 46 (Left), 44 (Right)
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)
Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)
Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, 45 (Left), 46 (Right)
Seth Russell, Baylor, 52 (Left), 49 (Right)
Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina, 51 (Left), 50 (Right)
Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)
Davis Webb, California, 56 (Left), 54 (Right) Link - ( New Window )
Must be a typo on Ourlads... Every other site has this...
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Davis&l=Webb&i=22531
Looking at those numbers, Ourlads is measuring throws to the right and left... Perhaps the 59 is down the middle.
No need to overthink this. We have a 37 year old QB and a team with a lot of holes. Draft Rosen and have your post-Eli QB for the next decade.
If we go QB I would rather have Rosen/Mayfield/Allen over him in that order.
That being said my gut really tells me its Chubb at 2 or in a tradedown to 4 or 4.
Darnold - 11
Mayfield - 13
Barkley - 16
Allen - 29
Rosen - 20
Chubb - 22
As Eric said looks like we'll have a lot of unhappy people no matter what happens.
On second thought, I’d say darnold.
The last time I was bored with pick was flowers and apple. I defended them and understood both but they were sort of boring, especially apple.