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Barkley vs. Rutgers

Bramton1 : 4/24/2018 4:25 pm
So much has been said about Barkley's performance against Rutgers being a reason not to draft him. 14 carries for 35 yards. I went and looked at the tape of his carries. I saw some plays where defenders were in the backfield before he even got the handoff, and sometimes making one (or two) player miss, only for another defender to be there to make the stop.

I have put the timestamp for each play to use with the attached YouTube video.

FIRST QUARTER
6:11 left: Loss of 6 yards (0:57). Defender on top of him as soon as he gets handoff

SECOND QUARTER
10:50 left: Gain of 1 yard (1:28). Delayed handoff, first contact was behind LOS.
7:04 left: Loss of two yards (1:53). Defender shot through the hole, Barkley avoided the tackle but a second defender was right on top of him.
4:39 left: Gain of 1 yard (2:02). Had a defender waiting for him on the outside, tried to cut inside, second defender broke out of a block and made the tackle.
2:41 left: Gain of 3 yards (2:20). Handoff from the shotgun, defender made contact at LOS, momentum carried him 3 yards.

THIRD QUARTER
10:24 left: Gain of 11 yards (3:09). Spun out of one tackle, broke a second tackle.
8:39 left: Gain of 3 yards (3:43). Not much of a hole, pushed for 3 yards
7:24 left BONUS PLAY: Reception of 21 yards (3:51). Pass to Hamilton, who laterals back to Barkley at the 22, hurdles over a defender at the 7, down at the 1
6:43 left: No gain (4:14). Tripped up at the goalline
6:03 left: Gain of 1 yard. TD (4:21). Easy touchdown.
1:47 left: Gain of 4 yards. TD (4:55). Touchdown run, play stands on review

FOURTH QUARTER
11:52 left: Gain of 7 yards (5:07). Bounced the play outside to avoid tackle.
11:17 left: Gain of 3 yards (5:16). Pitch right, avoids a tackle 2 yards behind LOS, broke out of 2nd tackle at LOS, third defender made the tackle
9:18 left: Gain of 2 yards (5:32). Picked up 2 on 3rd and 1, seems to give himself up after passing the sticks.
8:42 left: Gain of 7 yards (5:40). Juked behind LOS to avoid tackler, met by 2 defenders after 5 yards, pushed for 2 more
YouTube - ( New Window )
Want a QB, Not Barkley...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/24/2018 4:33 pm : link
But anyone who points to one poor game performance as a reason NOT to draft a player is being pretty silly.

It's just one game and it's a TEAM game at that.
I don't want Barkley either...  
bw in dc : 4/24/2018 4:40 pm : link
but it was one game and PSU went into cruise control after the 3rd period.

Every back has at least one of these games...
But, but, but...  
Brown Recluse : 4/24/2018 4:42 pm : link
numbers. stastistics.

You actually expect me to look at what transpired?? Pfft!
35-6. That's all you need to know  
JohnB : 4/24/2018 4:47 pm : link
It was a complete blowout. This game was over EARLY.

Does he have to be Superman on EVERY play or EVERY game. Can he take a break on a lopsided, mismatch of a game?
Shit.......  
Massgman : 4/24/2018 4:48 pm : link
maybe I’ve been watching the Giants running game to long but looking at that,I thought he had a good game
RE: 35-6. That's all you need to know  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13928928 JohnB said:
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Does he have to be Superman on EVERY play or EVERY game.


Well, since his slobbering fans insist he's the single greatest football player to ever grace a field with his presence....yeah
Must have QB at all costs? Really?  
RobCarpenter : 4/24/2018 4:52 pm : link
I thought he played well  
Bramton1 : 4/24/2018 4:54 pm : link
with what he was given.

If you want to slam him for something from that game, he screwed up royally on the opening kickoff.
RE: Must have QB at all costs? Really?  
Rjanyg : 4/24/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13928936 RobCarpenter said:
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Why focus on the positive with Barkley. I have a better idea, lets count all the national championships Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen and Jackson have been to. That would be important information I would think. I mean great QB's get you championships right?
the only concern you  
mdc1 : 4/24/2018 5:00 pm : link
need to have around barkley is some of the crappy defenses he played against and the wide open field he had on the outside to showcase his talent. That edge won't be there often in the NFL and he will need to be successful between tackles.
you guys can drink the happy valley kool-aid  
HomerJones45 : 4/24/2018 5:11 pm : link
great, "generational" running backs don't get held to 38 yards by a crappy team and it happened twice in the same season. You guys can make all the excuses you want. If he wasn't a good receiver, he would not even be in the conversation for the #2 pick.

He's Reggie Bush with 25 lbs. Useful plsyer- yes. "Generational"?-hardly.
RE: RE: Must have QB at all costs? Really?  
cokeduplt : 4/24/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13928944 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 13928936 RobCarpenter said:


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Why focus on the positive with Barkley. I have a better idea, lets count all the national championships Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen and Jackson have been to. That would be important information I would think. I mean great QB's get you championships right?



Guess we should just sign Tim Tebow then. I don’t remember Brady or Peyton winning any college championships wither
RE: you guys can drink the happy valley kool-aid  
cokeduplt : 4/24/2018 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13928971 HomerJones45 said:
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great, "generational" running backs don't get held to 38 yards by a crappy team and it happened twice in the same season. You guys can make all the excuses you want. If he wasn't a good receiver, he would not even be in the conversation for the #2 pick.

He's Reggie Bush with 25 lbs. Useful plsyer- yes. "Generational"?-hardly.


Idk Reggie bush plus 25 pounds sounds like an amazing player to me
You Made the Opposite Point  
Samiam : 4/24/2018 5:21 pm : link
Unless and until the Giants OL improves big time, after Solder, if the Giants draft Barkkey, every game will look like the Rutgers game. He’ll be hit in the backfield all game. I think you proved not to draft Barkley given the state of the OL
Barkley  
Archer : 4/24/2018 5:23 pm : link
There is no way to sugar coat the Rutgers game
McSorley broke more tackles than Barkley did

My issue with Barkley is his vision
It appears that he runs to contact rather than avoiding contact

Barkley also does not split contact and fall forward
If he is not running in space he is going down

I am concerned that Barkley will never live up to his hype


Rutgers is a fucking defensive juggernaut  
gtt350 : 4/24/2018 5:44 pm : link
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Gonna to  
XBRONX : 4/24/2018 5:49 pm : link
look great in Giant Blue.
After watching this tape  
Allen in CNJ : 4/24/2018 8:11 pm : link
I can tell you a few things:

1) Penn State's O-Line can't block anyone, especially in those zone read schemes
2) Rutgers D is pretty good, especially when they had 7 or more in the box - LOL
3) Saquon has tremendous awareness as a runner
4) Saquon is TREMENDOUS in the passing game both as a receiver and as a blocker
5) A negative, and I've said it before, he leaps way too much to avoid contact
6) He knows how to fall, and how to gain any extra yardage he can on a play

I'm sorry, but for me, this video only sells him as the pick more to me - it doesn't do the opposite!!
And  
Doomster : 4/24/2018 8:51 pm : link
Barkley vs. Rutgers
Bramton1 : 4:25 pm
So much has been said about Barkley's performance against Rutgers being a reason not to draft him. 14 carries for 35 yards. I went and looked at the tape of his carries. I saw some plays where defenders were in the backfield before he even got the handoff, and sometimes making one (or two) player miss, only for another defender to be there to make the stop.


what do you think happens behind our OL?
RE: RE: RE: Must have QB at all costs? Really?  
Rjanyg : 4/24/2018 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13928983 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 13928936 RobCarpenter said:


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Why focus on the positive with Barkley. I have a better idea, lets count all the national championships Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen and Jackson have been to. That would be important information I would think. I mean great QB's get you championships right?




Guess we should just sign Tim Tebow then. I don’t remember Brady or Peyton winning any college championships wither


Point is, the QB's aren't as good at their position as Barklwy is at his. Truth. Suck it!
RE: you guys can drink the happy valley kool-aid  
bw in dc : 4/24/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13928971 HomerJones45 said:
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great, "generational" running backs don't get held to 38 yards by a crappy team and it happened twice in the same season. You guys can make all the excuses you want. If he wasn't a good receiver, he would not even be in the conversation for the #2 pick.

He's Reggie Bush with 25 lbs. Useful plsyer- yes. "Generational"?-hardly.


Barkley is overrated, but the post is about this specific Rutgers game. As a PSU fan, I watch every game. This game was played without the PSU starting LT (out for his 3rd or 4th game) and Rutgers forced McSorley to beat them through the air. They had 8 and 9 guys in the box for much of that game. But McSorley stepped up with 3 TDs and the game was over by the end of the 3rd. Rutgers was going nowhere on offense that day. I think they had about 180 total yards.
uhhh  
Sonic Youth : 4/24/2018 11:27 pm : link
Go Knights?

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