NFT: New York Mets @ St. Louis Cardinals - 8:15 pm - Wheels Up!

In comment 13930679 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13929774 Rory said: Quote: In comment 13929499 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 13929488 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 13929479 arcarsenal said: Quote: Can we have Curtis back and send Bruce to TOR? 3 years for Bruce continues to be such a weird decision. If you reversed the contracts for Frazier and Bruce it would make a lot more sense, it's just odd given their "salary cap" that they valued Bruce so highly. I didn't really get it either. I like Jay Bruce. Nice guy, easy to root for. Just don't like the player that much. Some embarrassingly bad plays in the field and he's been pitiful at the dish so far. So much for the whole "let the best players play" bit - because Nimmo is performing and Bruce isn't. wait who hit the game running HR again? lol Bruce is playing through a Lisfranc injury/fracture, lets cut him some slack. He can be a goddam force when he gets hot I know from personal experience that you double take every step you make when dealing with it. Caught the recap this morning, great win. LGM! So I’d Bruce is injured (and it clearly affecting his production) why not give him more rest and use the hot player more? Your “cut him some slack because he’s hurt” excuse doesn’t make much sense when we have (better) options.

I agree, let him sit or start the transition to 1b. Remember though that better option wasn't expected when he was signed. So a 3 year deal seemed like a bargain at the right time

Also I don't like the fair weather fan bullshit I read on this board like all of a sudden he's washed up and a mistake. I've played injured before, you're a fucking shell of yourself, your timing is off and you're feeling the effects of the pain killers. But when you're good, you're dam good and fans forget that.

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just visual observation, but Familia seems to struggle against patient hitters who can catch up to heat. As opposed to someone like deGrom or Thor who has off-speed pitches in the strike zone, it seems like Familia's are usually out of ths strike zone.

When he doesn't get batters to chase the splitter or slider out of the zone is when he starts to seem like he loses confidence and "nibbles".

If he comes in and overpowers people right away or throws the splitter or slider close enough to elicit a swing and miss and gets ahead he's close to unhittable.

But...when he cannot blow the fastball by someone and they wait out the slider or splitter then they have a chance to get ahead or work a walk.

not saying it's every hitter who is capable of this, but it happens.

Also, agree not many closers I'd take ahead of him. maybe Kimbrel, maybe that guy in Seattle looks like he's pitching in a video game (Edwin Diaz?), maybe Chapman though he's got similar issues as Familia IMO. Not sure who else, Davis?

but that doesn't mean he's beyond reproach.

As a closer he's expected to close every game successfully, it's a high stress job.

All players can be streaky...Bruce and Cespedes take it to another level. You set a MLB record by striking out 37 times in 20 games and you sport a sub .200 BA, you deserve to be criticized. But I think that has been tamed by Cespedes' clutchness in a few games. But Yo needs to fix something. Last night he was lucky...that pitch was an absolute cookie.

I actually like Bruce. Easy guy to root for and he can get hot as hell at some point. I don't recall anyone saying that he's "washed up" or a "mistake". But it's worse when he's ice cold because he's horrible in the field to. So he's not just losing games with his bat, but also with his fielding. That being said, I think the issue is more with the manager. He makes the decisions to keep trotting these players out there. There's absolutely zero reason to not sit him for a couple of games. I'm not saying he needs to lose his job but there was no reason for Nimmo/Lagares to rot on the bench with their hot start.

In comment 13931144 PhiPsi125 said:

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All players can be streaky...Bruce and Cespedes take it to another level. You set a MLB record by striking out 37 times in 20 games and you sport a sub .200 BA, you deserve to be criticized. But I think that has been tamed by Cespedes' clutchness in a few games. But Yo needs to fix something. Last night he was lucky...that pitch was an absolute cookie. I actually like Bruce. Easy guy to root for and he can get hot as hell at some point. I don't recall anyone saying that he's "washed up" or a "mistake". But it's worse when he's ice cold because he's horrible in the field to. So he's not just losing games with his bat, but also with his fielding. That being said, I think the issue is more with the manager. He makes the decisions to keep trotting these players out there. There's absolutely zero reason to not sit him for a couple of games. I'm not saying he needs to lose his job but there was no reason for Nimmo/Lagares to rot on the bench with their hot start.

Then sit him, let him heal, all for that. Just pointing out what a injury like that can do.

I get what you're saying but you have to assume there is pressure from the FO to play their money players.

all of a sudden is a questionable decision...which is what I read earlier

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Oy vey.. now you're a fair weather fan if you don't love Jay Bruce the player?

HR last night or not (and come on... he was sitting dead red on a guy who missed the strike zone like 15x in a row before that) he's not off to a very good start. He's hobbling around on a bad foot, and we have a young guy in Nimmo who seems to do nothing but produce and give tough AB's every time he gets a shot.

He's bad defensively... two times already he's made laughably poor reads on fly balls in RF that cost us. He's not getting on base. He's on pace to strike out like 150x.

He shouldn't exactly be immune to criticism if he's not playing well.

Sorry, I'm confusing Cespedes' HR and Bruce's.

In any event.... the rest of what I said stands.

If he's so hurt that he can't perform up to par, then he should sit. We have a capable player on the bench behind him. The foot injury shouldn't be an excuse.

Anyway - it's a new day. Let's keep rolling here.

NYM:

1. Michael Conforto (L) CF
2. Yoenis Cespedes (R) LF
3. Jay Bruce (L) RF
4. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
5. Wilmer Flores (R) 2B
6. Adrian Gonzalez (L) 1B
7. Jose Lobaton (S) C
8. Steven Matz (R) P
9. Amed Rosario (R) SS

StL:

1. Tommy Pham (R) CF
2. Dexter Fowler (S) RF
3. Jose Martinez (R) 1B
4. Marcell Ozuna (R) LF
5. Yadier Molina (R) C
6. Paul DeJong (R) SS
7. Jedd Gyorko (R) 3B
8. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
9. Michael Wacha (R) P

In comment 13931405 arcarsenal said:

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Anyway - it's a new day. Let's keep rolling here. NYM: 1. Michael Conforto (L) CF 2. Yoenis Cespedes (R) LF 3. Jay Bruce (L) RF 4. Todd Frazier (R) 3B 5. Wilmer Flores (R) 2B 6. Adrian Gonzalez (L) 1B 7. Jose Lobaton (S) C 8. Steven Matz (R) P 9. Amed Rosario (R) SS StL: 1. Tommy Pham (R) CF 2. Dexter Fowler (S) RF 3. Jose Martinez (R) 1B 4. Marcell Ozuna (R) LF 5. Yadier Molina (R) C 6. Paul DeJong (R) SS 7. Jedd Gyorko (R) 3B 8. Kolten Wong (L) 2B 9. Michael Wacha (R) P

can we skip that day (that day wasn't good)