So one of three scenarios is going to shake out for NYG in this draft.
1. Stay put at 2
2. Trade down just a few spots (somewhere from 3-5) while acquiring an extra 2nd rounder OR 2019 1st rounder
3. Trade down outside of the top 10 while acquiring 2 extra day 2 picks AND a 2019 1st rounder
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While I don’t really know which will happen, here are my projections for what I think Dave Gettleman will do, not necessarily what I think they should do.
Stay Put at 2
1 (#2 overall): Saquon Barkley – RB/Penn State
2 (#34 overall) Billy Price – OC-OG/Ohio State
3 (#66 overall) Tim Settle – DT/Virginia Tech
3 (#69 overall) DJ Chark – WR/LSU
4 (#108 overall) Duke Dawson – CB/Florida
5 (#139 overall) Dorance Armstrong – DE-OLB/Kansas
In this scenario, I think NYG is going to lean Barkley over the QBs and over the edge rusher (Chubb). He improves the passing attack and rushing game right away and if they want to stick him back there a few times per year as a KR, he is proven to be effective there as well. Whoever their next franchise QB ends up being, having an established Barkley in the picture will make things much smoother. Think Prescott/Elliot or Goff/Gurley. Price competes for the starting LG job right awa and probably wins it. Also he is the backup plan at OC if Jones can’t hang. Settle provides so much versatility to the defensive line that will be based on concepts rather than strict positions. Settle has been projected/scouted to several spots along the DLs in the league. He has an incredibly high ceiling. Chark looks like a guy Gettlemen will be attracted to and if nothing else, will take underneath traffic away from Beckham/Engram/Shepherd/Barkley This is vastly needed for that passing game to work. Chark has some of the best downfield speed in this class. Dawson and Armstrong are backups initially, but Dawson is a guy that I bet is viewed as a pro-ready DB that can get in the rotation early.
Trade down to the 3-5 area
*Likely netting an extra 2nd rounder. If DEN or CLE exchange picks, it will include their 2nd round pick. Could it be more? Sure. I think that would be the deal unless NYG demanded a 1st in 2019.
For the sake of this post, I will say DEN trades up, giving #5 overall AND #40 overall.
1 (#5 overall): Quenton Nelson – OG/Notre Dame
2 (#34 overall): Harold Landry – OLB/Boston College
2 (#40 overall): Equanimeous St. Brown – WR/Notre Dame
3 (#66 overall): Kerryon Johnson – RB/Auburn
3 (#69 overall): Will Richardson – OT/NC State
4 (#108 overall): Duke Dawson – CB/Florida
5 (#139 overall): Trenton Thompson – DT/Georgia
In this scenario, I projected DE Chubb to be off the board. I think NYG would have a hard time deciding between DT Vea, DB Fitzpatrick, OT McGlinchey, and G Nelson. The nod went to Nelson, who almost everyone views as elite and special. If he does reach that ceiling, having that left side of the line locked up with Solder and Nelson. That is a security blanket that Eli Manning has never had, and it could elevate his confidence and overall level of play to the point where he performs like the playoff version of Eli every week. Not to mention, the running game would be brought to another level. Landry could have been a top 20 pick last year and it I think he fits the new scheme very well. Standing up, hand in dirt, whatever. He can do both and they need an extra edge guy sorely.
The next 3 picks being used on offense may seem a bit aggressive, but the nucleus for the future would be in place when a new QB is handed the torch but those guys would all be able to contribute right away. Gettleman has loved bringing in size at the WR position every time his decision has credibility. St. Brown is a fluid, under the radar size guy and this team has a gaping hole there. Johnson is the kind of back that can compete for snaps with both Gallman and Stewart, as his skill set has the versatility to do so. And Richardson is a RT that, if he stays healthy, can start on this team in year 1. Dawson and Thompson are the late picks that will fit in with what this new defense presents. Versatility when it comes to roles and talent along with a smart, competitive approach.
Trade down to 12-15 Area
*Likely nets 2 first round picks in 2018, a 2nd round pick in 2018, and 1st round pick in 2019.
For the sake of this post, I will say BUF trades up, giving #12, #22, #53, #56 and a 2019 first rounder for #2 overall AND #69 overall.
*Yes, I think it would take this much for BUF to trade up. Both of their 1st rounders along with a 2019 1st, in addition to a 2nd rounder AND NYG upgrading their 3rd rounder to a late 2.
1 (#12 overall): Connor Williams – OT/Texas
1 (#22 overall): Denzel Ward – CB/Ohio State
2 (#40 overall): Equanimous St. Brown – WR/Notre Dame
2 (#53 overall): Kemoko Turay – OLB/Rutgers
2 (#56 overall): Jamarco Jones – OT/Ohio State
3 (#69 overall): Nathan Shepherd – DT/Fort Hays State
4 (#108 overall): Genard Avery – LB/Memphis
5 (#139 overall): Kalen Ballage – RB/Arizona State
*And the BUF 2019 1st rounder
Now the results here may get people excited simply because of the volume of picks. More is not always better, but it very well could be in this scenario. Grabbing Connor Williams and Denzel Ward (who I think is going to fall) is almost an automatic two week 1 starters on a team with more holes than picks. Williams can be a RT or LG in the NFL, and I think it would be a nice option to have since I think both of those spots are holes in a significant way. I am sticking with St. Brown to NYG in round 2 if they have extra picks, he just seems like a Gettleman guy.
Grabbing the edge rusher in Turay is good value and while he may not e the every down versatile, intelligent option that I think Bechter wants to work with, his role as a pure edge rusher can be used a lot here. Jones offers the depth needed on the outside and who knows, he could be a starting RT early in his career. As I said in the OT preview, he has had a few games where he performed like a 1st rounder. Shepherd and Avery are talented depth options that bring the level of versatility this scheme demands. Both are excellent athletes and posses more talent than a lot of the defenders here. Ballage is a physical back that has some Brandon Jacobs in him. The kind of guy a tired defense does not want to handle when he has a head full of steam late in games. And if getting that BUF 2019 1st rounder is possible, it is a major selling point. They might be one of the worst teams in the league this year.
Just sayin.
My preference would be in this order: 1, 3, 2
That is MY dream scenario if we don’t stay put
Just sayin.
Thats true, but top rated prospects drop every year and i wouldnt be surprised if he does as well
So, if Barkley/Chubb are presumed to be NYG's top two non-QBs, then a Nelson scenario can only possibly happen if Giants drop to #6 (or lower).
If Giants are going to trade Flowers, that's another hole and another reason to consider the trade down. Wheeler is not the answer.
I agree. Nice analysis Sy.
That is MY dream scenario if we don’t stay put
Fiddy - in your scenario 4 - Are you staying at 4 and taking Chubb/Nelson? Or are you going to flip #4 with the QBs still on the board and seeing QB needy teams (Bills and Cards)?
It appears in your trade with Buffalo that we are giving up #34 to Buffalo as part of the trade? That seems unnecessary given the value differential... Am I reading that correctly?
What happens if the Giants trade down to 5-6 and Rosen is available?
I would take Rosen , Hernandez, Chubb,
Well that is part of the advantage of Price, he offers interior versatility. He could technically start at any of these three spots. Basically Jerry/Omameh/Jones/Price compete for the 3 spots.
What happens if the Giants trade down to 5-6 and Rosen is available?
I would take Rosen , Hernandez, Chubb,
In my opinion, if NYG wants one of the QBs, they will not trade down.
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Cleveland wants their QB AND Barkley so they trade for our 2 in exchange for their 4th, 33rd and 35th picks
That is MY dream scenario if we don’t stay put
Fiddy - in your scenario 4 - Are you staying at 4 and taking Chubb/Nelson? Or are you going to flip #4 with the QBs still on the board and seeing QB needy teams (Bills and Cards)?
I’d stay at 4. Don’t want to get too cute here while I can still get a Blue Chip at 4
If Denver trades up to 2 it will be for a QB. That means the first 3 picks would be QBs and Chubb would go at 4.
If Chubb doesn't go at 4 it means Barkley is still there.
I can't see the Browns or the Jets not taking a QB, nor do I see Denver trading up to 2 and taking Nelson.
That means either Barkley or Chubb absolutely have to be available when the Giants pick at 5.
No way they settle for Nelson in your #2 scenario.
Thanks for all your draft work Sy, Dave and everyone else who otherwise chooses to contribute at your own risk.
If Denver trades up to 2 it will be for a QB. That means the first 3 picks would be QBs and Chubb would go at 4.
If Chubb doesn't go at 4 it means Barkley is still there.
I can't see the Browns or the Jets not taking a QB, nor do I see Denver trading up to 2 and taking Nelson.
That means either Barkley or Chubb absolutely have to be available when the Giants pick at 5.
No way they settle for Nelson in your #2 scenario.
You're right actually! That was a mishap on my end.
It would come down to Nelson and Chubb. And to be honest, I'm not positive it would be Chubb. It would be choice of sure, but I think NYG really wants to add Nelson or McGlinchey. I think they love both of them.
Trade down to 5...giving up Barkley...but 1 QB and Chubb.
Any thoughts of drafting Allen/Rosen after trade down?
The 3 way trade down is a pipe dream....Barkley
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That has to mean that Barkley would be available.
If Denver trades up to 2 it will be for a QB. That means the first 3 picks would be QBs and Chubb would go at 4.
If Chubb doesn't go at 4 it means Barkley is still there.
I can't see the Browns or the Jets not taking a QB, nor do I see Denver trading up to 2 and taking Nelson.
That means either Barkley or Chubb absolutely have to be available when the Giants pick at 5.
No way they settle for Nelson in your #2 scenario.
You're right actually! That was a mishap on my end.
It would come down to Nelson and Chubb. And to be honest, I'm not positive it would be Chubb. It would be choice of sure, but I think NYG really wants to add Nelson or McGlinchey. I think they love both of them.
Nelson is my favorite player in the draft. If we get him in a trade down I am a happy camper
All I keep hearing is that the Giants may not like the Qbs
I can’t believe that this could be true
There is a quality flavor for all tastes
I am not a fan of Barkley
I think that people are enamored with his physical ability which is unparalleled and his character which is unquestioned
But they overlook his difficencies as a between the tackle runner
Barkley needs an offensive line to be successful see Rutgers
There are no certain players without risk and the risk for a QB is no greater that Barkley or Chubb
The Giants need a QB and if they pass on these QBs and they are successful the Giants will regret it for years
All I keep hearing is that the Giants may not like the Qbs
I can’t believe that this could be true
There is a quality flavor for all tastes
I am not a fan of Barkley
I think that people are enamored with his physical ability which is unparalleled and his character which is unquestioned
But they overlook his difficencies as a between the tackle runner
Barkley needs an offensive line to be successful see Rutgers
There are no certain players without risk and the risk for a QB is no greater that Barkley or Chubb
The Giants need a QB and if they pass on these QBs and they are successful the Giants will regret it for years
It's Barkley or Rosen for me. Would be happy with either.
I have always thought and continue to think Darnold is going to CLE.
And I think NYG board looks like:
RB Barkley
DE Chubb
Seems right, but too scary for me. I do not think Nelson will last that long. And he's a must have.
Amen
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All of the asshats seem to be down to Darnold or Chubb with no mention of Barkey. Any thoughts on that or info you have heard from you scouting community?
I have always thought and continue to think Darnold is going to CLE.
And I think NYG board looks like:
RB Barkley
DE Chubb
Thanks Sy for the response