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| Gettleman’s first order of business in Thursday’s draft — his only order of business — is to assemble as much talent as he possibly can. That means everywhere: offense, defense, the lines, the backfields. Saquon Barkley may be as talented a football player as there is on his draft board. Perhaps you can understand why he might ponder pulling the trigger on selecting the Penn State star. But he shouldn’t. Moreover: He can’t. It would be the wrong move. And the Giants, at this point in their history, can’t afford to be wrong: not when it comes to naming a coach (and it says here they picked a good one in Pat Shurmur), not when it comes to naming a GM (and, right now, Gettleman seems like a wise choice there), not when it comes to bolstering their roster (so far, so good, especially with the addition of Nate Solder). |
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| And not when it comes to seizing upon the opportunity to pick second in the draft, especially at a time in franchise history when we are closing in on the denouement (if not the epilogue) of the Eli Manning Era, in a draft rich with quarterback talent, at a time when the NFL has become a place where the first three prerequisites for competing for a championship read thusly: 1. Draft an elite quarterback. 2. Play an elite quarterback. 3. Hand the keys over to an elite quarterback. |
A couple of QBs we passed on become stars, and Gettleman has more trouble picking up a QB to replace Eli for 4 or 5 years, he will be heavily criticized.
If he takes a QB uniformly admired by the draft geeks, he will not get beaten up.
Ask the Bills. Seventeen years without a playoff appearance, and only two winning seasons since they lost Jim Kelly. They are willing to pay almost any price to grab one in this year's class.
Ask the Bills. They are willing to pay almost any price to grab one in this year's class.
....because the only QBs on their roster are Peterman and McCarron. If the Giants staff do not believe any of the QBs are worth the pick ahead of Barkley (or Chubb), how can anyone think they should pick them regardless?
"The question you need to ask is will they be a #2 pick in not just this draft, but any draft?" Gettleman
I look forward to having Barkley on this team with a few trade ups later to get some OL we like. Will address QB in the future. Thats my opinion.
Chubb is not Von Miller.
Hey Mike, how about you just stick to reporting and leave the big decisions to those in charge of making them.
No one knows the giants views on these quarterbacks, their medical or anything. They also do not know their opinion of Webb or Eli for that matter. Except for what they have said publicly.
I think shurmur knows a thing or 2 about quarterbacks and I think Gettleman knows a thing or 2 about building a roster and evaluating talent.
If they take a quarterback, great. If they draft Barkley, great. If they trade down, great.
People will scream and holler no matter what Gettleman does and the truth of it all is that we won't know the results until a few years from now.
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in this draft. Potential to be the next Peterson. After that is Chubb. Those two are the best and obvious choices. Chubb..think Von Miller in this D.
Chubb is not Von Miller.
Chubb isn’t even similar to Von Miller. Mike V is 100% right in this article. Gettleman will look super foolish in 3 years.
Why not fact check before you post a number that is wrong??
Barkley career stats - ( New Window )
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Barkley’s best season was 1200 yards. BFD for a guy who is supposed to be a “generational talent” and the “best player in this draft”. He can catch-also BFD, there are rb’s to be had in later rounds who can catch. And sorry, he comes from a school which has over-hyped rb’s for the last half century.
If DG isnt lying about "envision him putting on a gold jacket" he's taking Quenton Nelson.
But no OG/OT, even generational ones (see Joe Thomas, Joe Staley, soon Tyron Smith) takes your team to a superbowl.
It's about forcing touchdowns (QBs, WRs) and stopping touchdowns (pass rushers, cbs)
Walter Payton, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Marshon Lynch, what did they all have in common? They all won Super Bowls and 3 of them are wearing gold jackets. Please don't tell me they did not contribute to winning a Super Bowl.
LMFAO. maybe you get payton because it was a different era.
Lynch- all decade defense
Faulk- all decade offense
Davis- hof qb
Best RB I ever saw (and I watched 3 of the 4 you listed) was Adrian Peterson. When you surround a generational RB with garbage, you get garbage record it turns out.
It takes a team to win a championship and it mean putting pieces together. If you see what the St. Louis Rams did with there receivers and RB, maybe that is what DG could be envisioning. And the Rams won with a QB that was pulled out of a grocery store bagging groceries.
SB teams are built differently and there is no exact blue print in building one. This team is not going to win just with 1 draft. It takes many drafts and FA to build a team. I laugh hysterically at you guys who say you have to draft a QB or I am going to break my TV or maybe slice my wrist. I DG does not take one so be it. If he does. Great. The draft is about pairing the player with the value of the pick.
Your examples mean little in today’s NFL. Faulk retiree 12 years ago — right around the time the league transitioned to more of a committee approach with RBs. Lynch was a FA acquisition by Seattle. They didn’t burn a top 5 pick on him. The rest played an ancient game by today’s standards.
Bullshit! So you are telling. me that the Giants cannot build a team with a running back. Have you ever heard of evolving the game?. That’s how championship teams are built. Go ahead, keep going to the old blueprint. They’re already 3 running backs in the NFL that were recently drafted and ended up being on a playoff teams. Is that a coincidence?
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in this draft. Potential to be the next Peterson. After that is Chubb. Those two are the best and obvious choices. Chubb..think Von Miller in this D.
Comparing Chubb to Von Miller is a joke. Chubb, while very solid and well-rounded, lacks elite and quick burst off the line of scrimmage.
7.37 on the 3-cone drill for Chubb at the combine - compared to 6.70 for Miller and 6.89 for Joey Bosa.
Who were the highest drafted edge rushers 260-280 lbs who recorded 7.30 or greater on the 3-cone in history? Erasmus James and Robert Ayers (both selected #18 overall in their respective drafts). No thanks!! Hard Pass! tough to get excited about this pick at #2 overall if it indeed ends up being Chubb.
It is mind blowing the amount of people on here that want Chubb
and then he says it's absolutely essential that they eschew talent at the 2 spot. Talk about a contradiction.
and then he says it's absolutely essential that they eschew talent at the 2 spot. Talk about a contradiction.
No, he's saying you have to pick talent at the most important position when you have an aging QB and the opportunity to do so.
NFL Draft 2018: If Giants pick Saquon Barkley, that's good for Eagles; here's why - ( New Window )
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is that the Giants need to assemble talent and assemble talent all over the team,
and then he says it's absolutely essential that they eschew talent at the 2 spot. Talk about a contradiction.
No, he's saying you have to pick talent at the most important position when you have an aging QB and the opportunity to do so.
All good reasons for taking a QB. I think it will be gross negligence on Gettleman's part if he doesn't.
The draft is littered with physical freaks who did not live up to their potential
There is a history of great collegiate running backs who have failed in the pros including a few from Penn State
I always get nervous when people love a player and ignore some of the warts
So you are saying there are no franchise QBs in this draft? (Sincerely asking)
What do you consider generational? I thing Rosen and Darnold have elite potential.
How do we know teams haven't tried to trade up for him?
I haven't seen the Browns or Giants trade out so not really sure what you're talking about as they're the teams in best position to draft him.
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I still don’t understand is if Barkley is so amazing and “generational” and all these QBs are so bad. Why is not a single team trying to trade up for him? Why is it that teams in position to draft him trade out?
How do we know teams haven't tried to trade up for him?
I haven't seen the Browns or Giants trade out so not really sure what you're talking about as they're the teams in best position to draft him.
The Colts were in position and traded out. Denver has openly said they would trade their pick. All while Buffalo, the Jets, even supposedly NE are in on these QBs. The Giants picking a RB at 2 is going to be a huge mistake. Even if Barkley has a decent career, Manning has been here for 15 years. The last few have not been good. Not preparing for your future when you can is foolish.
That’s a really good article.
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I still don’t understand is if Barkley is so amazing and “generational” and all these QBs are so bad. Why is not a single team trying to trade up for him? Why is it that teams in position to draft him trade out?
How do we know teams haven't tried to trade up for him?
I haven't seen the Browns or Giants trade out so not really sure what you're talking about as they're the teams in best position to draft him.
The Colts were in position and traded out. Denver has openly said they would trade their pick. All while Buffalo, the Jets, even supposedly NE are in on these QBs. The Giants picking a RB at 2 is going to be a huge mistake. Even if Barkley has a decent career, Manning has been here for 15 years. The last few have not been good. Not preparing for your future when you can is foolish.
Not picking him is a different argument altogether.
If you're talking about trading out only the Browns are in position to trade out and pass on him as of now. If they take a QB then that falls to the Giants.
Maybe just maybe Indy traded out because they didn't think he'd be there at 3 and took the picks they were offered from the Jets.
Point is, we don't know why they traded out. It's just as likely they traded out because they didn't think he'd be there as it is to say they traded out because they didn't think he'd be worth the pick.
Hard to argue with any of that. Of course, much of that, actually all of it, has been expressed here the last three months.
Then this:
“Manning hasn't missed any games due to injury in the last five seasons. In that stretch, Manning leads the NFL in interceptions thrown (84) and of quarterbacks who have started at least 16 games in the last five years, Manning is 32nd in passer rating (84.6).
Per Pro Football Focus, Manning was graded 34th of 40 eligible quaterbacks in 2017, down from 31st (of 36) in 2016.”
But I’m told - preached to - every day that Eli has so much more in the tank.
And all he needs is basically ten other all pros/Hall of Famers around him to really get back to the great Eli. Whenever that was...
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beat writer hoping the Giants take Barkley... NFL Draft 2018: If Giants pick Saquon Barkley, that's good for Eagles; here's why - ( New Window )
Hard to argue with any of that. Of course, much of that, actually all of it, has been expressed here the last three months.
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“Manning hasn't missed any games due to injury in the last five seasons. In that stretch, Manning leads the NFL in interceptions thrown (84) and of quarterbacks who have started at least 16 games in the last five years, Manning is 32nd in passer rating (84.6).
Per Pro Football Focus, Manning was graded 34th of 40 eligible quaterbacks in 2017, down from 31st (of 36) in 2016.”
But I’m told - preached to - every day that Eli has so much more in the tank.
And all he needs is basically ten other all pros/Hall of Famers around him to really get back to the great Eli. Whenever that was...
Haha well said.
Generational.
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beat writer hoping the Giants take Barkley... NFL Draft 2018: If Giants pick Saquon Barkley, that's good for Eagles; here's why - ( New Window )
Hard to argue with any of that. Of course, much of that, actually all of it, has been expressed here the last three months.
Then this:
“Manning hasn't missed any games due to injury in the last five seasons. In that stretch, Manning leads the NFL in interceptions thrown (84) and of quarterbacks who have started at least 16 games in the last five years, Manning is 32nd in passer rating (84.6).
Per Pro Football Focus, Manning was graded 34th of 40 eligible quaterbacks in 2017, down from 31st (of 36) in 2016.”
But I’m told - preached to - every day that Eli has so much more in the tank.
And all he needs is basically ten other all pros/Hall of Famers around him to really get back to the great Eli. Whenever that was...
Well said. This article summarizes what most of the posters pro drafting a qb have been saying on bbi. In a nutshell, all you need to do is read the excerpts of value of drafting a rb, eli and statistics and wins/losses, and the paragraph on the 2019 qb class for all of those "we can just get one next year crowd."
Hard to argue any point in the eagles article. But like you say, all we hear from the Eli has years left crowd is...he needs all pros at every position to function at a reasonable level. And the eagles beat writer is 100% correct- the eagles have two qbs that are better than Eli right now.
Don't like Chubb or Nelson at #2...well trading down may not be an option. Especially if teams think you are not taking a QB not named Darnold.
Vaccaro? Obviously he has never played football and has a very poor understanding of the game as well as the Giants organization.
He is just bringing some attention to his rag!
1) Franchise QB?
There is none in this draft. Perhaps a few good ones. But none of them will ever wear that gold jacket.
2) One more time, I'm going to say this:
Does Vaccaro have $62 million of cash to throw around.
Mssrs. Mara & Tisch did not spend $62 Mil of their precious cash to pay Solder in Eli's waning years to transition to (Darnold?) in two years when Solder is 32 years of age.
3) Mara, Tisch, Gettleman & Shurmur fully believe that Eli is still a winning and productive QB if he is supported by the right cast.
It simply means that they are going to put the best players around him to help him succeed not only for 2018, but for three or more years beyond. Eli is the most durable QB in Giants history!
Therefore, it only makes sense that they will surround him with Barkley (at #2) and Getty will draft several O-Linemen in an attempt to fortify the O-Line to make holes for Barkley and to give Eli more than 1.5 seconds to scan and throw the ball.
This is the only scenario that makes sense unless some ridiculous offer is brought to Getty's attention before the Giants' pick and they move down a few selections and take Nelson.
Those are the only common sense scenarios.
Just remember, it is always about the MONEY! And Mara/Tisch want to see their $62 Mil investment in Solder produce a return NOW!
If you spent $62 Million on something, wouldn't you?
Six weeks ago, nobody knows anything, but Stewart was not signed to be the lead back.
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why on earth would you give jonathan stewart the contract that you did and have a 4m cap hit this year
Six weeks ago, nobody knows anything, but Stewart was not signed to be the lead back.
As a mentor to a drafted RB be it the 1st 2nd or 3rd?
if thats the case, its an example of a gross misallocation of resources
Because, maybe back when they signed Stewart they didn't know who they would be drafting. Hell, the browns have the first overall pick and I don't think they knew who they were drafting.
Also, I believe Stewart was brought in to provide veteran leadership and for short yardage situations.
As I’ve said here, the 2019 crop sucks. That might need to be considered.
And there always seem to be good players brought on board each year.
Wouldn't you agree that if the Giants don't consider any of this years qbs a franchise, that there is no way they consider anyone in the2019 class as a franchise qb- it's been well published that it will be a weak qb class both in quality and quantity. Thus, the Giants may need to sell the farm in 2020 for a qb if and only if there is a willing trade partner. Does this sound like something that should excite Giants fans?
A couple of QBs we passed on become stars, and Gettleman has more trouble picking up a QB to replace Eli for 4 or 5 years, he will be heavily criticized.
If he takes a QB uniformly admired by the draft geeks, he will not get beaten up.
Ask the Bills. Seventeen years without a playoff appearance, and only two winning seasons since they lost Jim Kelly. They are willing to pay almost any price to grab one in this year's class.
Cowboys had an awesome QB and how many playoff wins did they win?
Elite QBs are hard to come by and we already have one. Giants should hand a playoff caliber team to the next QB instead of waiting for the development of the next QB to make it to the playoffs.
Elite QBs are hard to come by and we already have one. Giants should hand a playoff caliber team to the next QB instead of waiting for the development of the next QB to make it to the playoffs.
All true if you think Manning is still elite. I personally don't think so since 2011.