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| Gettleman’s first order of business in Thursday’s draft — his only order of business — is to assemble as much talent as he possibly can. That means everywhere: offense, defense, the lines, the backfields. Saquon Barkley may be as talented a football player as there is on his draft board. Perhaps you can understand why he might ponder pulling the trigger on selecting the Penn State star. But he shouldn’t. Moreover: He can’t. It would be the wrong move. And the Giants, at this point in their history, can’t afford to be wrong: not when it comes to naming a coach (and it says here they picked a good one in Pat Shurmur), not when it comes to naming a GM (and, right now, Gettleman seems like a wise choice there), not when it comes to bolstering their roster (so far, so good, especially with the addition of Nate Solder). |
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| And not when it comes to seizing upon the opportunity to pick second in the draft, especially at a time in franchise history when we are closing in on the denouement (if not the epilogue) of the Eli Manning Era, in a draft rich with quarterback talent, at a time when the NFL has become a place where the first three prerequisites for competing for a championship read thusly: 1. Draft an elite quarterback. 2. Play an elite quarterback. 3. Hand the keys over to an elite quarterback. |
"In a draft rich with quarterback talent, at a time when the NFL has become a place where the first three prerequisites for competing for a championship read thusly:
1. Draft an elite quarterback.
2. Play an elite quarterback.
3. Hand the keys over to an elite quarterback."
Yes, that's a nice theory...except what if Gettleman doesn't think any of these QBs are franchise QBs? Each of them has significant flaws. How about getting a player you're in love with and that you believe in instead of following some general formula?
Then draft Rosen.....if you want Rosen.
baker mayfield
Barkley will be tackled 25+ times per game. He plays a position with an average shelf life of 3.3 years in the NFL, according to the NFL Players Association. 5 seasons should be considered a bonus. For those who are concerned about Rosen's durability and injury risks, yet are all in on using our precious #2 overall pick draft capital on Barkley..I just don't get it.
Chubb is not Von Miller stop.
If he's the most talented player on the board, you draft him.
Second, he says that Giants can't afford to be wrong. If that's the case, it's much more likely the Giants get it wrong with a QB selection at second overall than with Barkley.
Did you see who the Giants are currently starting on the right side of their line? How do you even think they are making it to January. Right now, they are not better than the Eagles, Rams, Vikings, Saints, Falcons, Packers, and Cowboys, and that is at the very least. They are also probably not better than the Niners, Panthers, and several other teams in the NFC. They are likely more towards the bottom of the conference than they are in the top six teams, and I have no idea how you think they are going to compete for a title with the likes of the Eagles, Rams, and Vikings in the same conference.
Even with the additions to the line, you think Barkley is going to make this team a contender again? No way, no how. In his presser today, Shurmur admitted Eli is in the latter stages of his career. I doubt that meant he has five years left.
its harold landry
but chubb can play all downs in any defensive front/aligntment.
harold fits into the vic beasley/von miller mode. gotta move him around, gotta stand him up
Yes and yes.
And especially yes when you have a huge supply of quality RBs in this draft. And some who will be drafted later than SB but be just as productive.
Comparing Chubb to Von Miller is a joke. Chubb, while very solid and well-rounded, lacks elite and quick burst off the line of scrimmage.
7.37 on the 3-cone drill for Chubb at the combine - compared to 6.70 for Miller and 6.89 for Joey Bosa.
Who were the highest drafted edge rushers 260-280 lbs who recorded 7.30 or greater on the 3-cone in history? Erasmus James and Robert Ayers (both selected #18 overall in their respective drafts). No thanks!! Hard Pass! tough to get excited about this pick at #2 overall if it indeed ends up being Chubb.
DG
wanted to pay an OG, OT money
paid an OT biggest deal ever and he isnt even a pro bowler
drafted a RB with a top 10 pick when Kamara and Hunt went 50+ picks later
pretty sure.... he doesnt.
He's there.
It's Josh Rosen or Baker Mayfield
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DG has a better idea in building a football team than Vaccaro. He has no business calling it dumb unless he is the equal as to DG in evaluating talent and putting together a football team. Is he one of these guys that will slit his wrist if DG takes Barkley and does take a QB? Jeeze!
DG
wanted to pay an OG, OT money
paid an OT biggest deal ever and he isnt even a pro bowler
drafted a RB with a top 10 pick when Kamara and Hunt went 50+ picks later
pretty sure.... he doesnt.
Did DG just upgrade the OT position? Sometimes you have to pay more in order to get what you want. This is a very weak draft regarding the OT position. He had to make that move or your quarterback will get destroyed even more. DG made this move to put be Giants in a better position to win. Ereck Flowers was not going to cut it. Some people just want to pin Saquon Barkley as an ordinary RB. He is a RB/WR, a weapon that will impact the team.
If DG isnt lying about "envision him putting on a gold jacket" he's taking Quenton Nelson.
But no OG/OT, even generational ones (see Joe Thomas, Joe Staley, soon Tyron Smith) takes your team to a superbowl.
It's about forcing touchdowns (QBs, WRs) and stopping touchdowns (pass rushers, cbs)
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the the equivalent to the value of the #2 pick just because your franchise QB is 37 is not an intelligent investment. If the value of the QB is not there, you take the best available player that is going to impact your team or trade down. And trading down means you need to get that value and more to give up that #2 pick.
He's there.
It's Josh Rosen or Baker Mayfield
Many Scouts may disagree with you; however, if DG does select a quarterback, I will be more than happy, because it tells me that he really feels that they are of the value. If he doesn't select them, it doesn't mean that he is dumb. It means that the QBs are not worthy the number #2 pick.
I will be supremely pissed if the Giants do not come away with a QB, and I know Rosen will be on the board. Giants need to take him.
Rosen can set us up for ten years. Barkley will be past his prime in 7.
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DG has a better idea in building a football team than Vaccaro. He has no business calling it dumb unless he is the equal as to DG in evaluating talent and putting together a football team. Is he one of these guys that will slit his wrist if DG takes Barkley and does take a QB? Jeeze!
DG
wanted to pay an OG, OT money
paid an OT biggest deal ever and he isnt even a pro bowler
drafted a RB with a top 10 pick when Kamara and Hunt went 50+ picks later
pretty sure.... he doesnt.
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DG has a better idea in building a football team than Vaccaro. He has no business calling it dumb unless he is the equal as to DG in evaluating talent and putting together a football team. Is he one of these guys that will slit his wrist if DG takes Barkley and does take a QB? Jeeze!
DG
wanted to pay an OG, OT money
paid an OT biggest deal ever and he isnt even a pro bowler
drafted a RB with a top 10 pick when Kamara and Hunt went 50+ picks later
pretty sure.... he doesnt.
Did DG just upgrade the OT position? Sometimes you have to pay more in order to get what you want. This is a very weak draft regarding the OT position. He had to make that move or your quarterback will get destroyed even more. DG made this move to put be Giants in a better position to win. Ereck Flowers was not going to cut it. Some people just want to pin Saquon Barkley as an ordinary RB. He is a RB/WR, a weapon that will impact the team.
red herring.
sure he paid the best tackle on the market the most money. But again, DG's track record hasnt been so great.
dont mistake decisiveness with actually knowing what you're doing.
e.g. DG's comment about not wasting any time and makign your pick 35 seconds into your clock.
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the the equivalent to the value of the #2 pick just because your franchise QB is 37 is not an intelligent investment. If the value of the QB is not there, you take the best available player that is going to impact your team or trade down. And trading down means you need to get that value and more to give up that #2 pick.
He's there.
It's Josh Rosen or Baker Mayfield
Many Scouts may disagree with you; however, if DG does select a quarterback, I will be more than happy, because it tells me that he really feels that they are of the value. If he doesn't select them, it doesn't mean that he is dumb. It means that the QBs are not worthy the number #2 pick.
Many scouts also agree with me....
generalization.
Consider that drafting Mayfield, who's floor is something like Teddy Bridgewater but can throw a better deep ball has better value than Ezekiel Elliot
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DG has a better idea in building a football team than Vaccaro. He has no business calling it dumb unless he is the equal as to DG in evaluating talent and putting together a football team. Is he one of these guys that will slit his wrist if DG takes Barkley and does take a QB? Jeeze!
DG
wanted to pay an OG, OT money
paid an OT biggest deal ever and he isnt even a pro bowler
drafted a RB with a top 10 pick when Kamara and Hunt went 50+ picks later
pretty sure.... he doesnt.
Tough to shit on him for McCaffrey. McCaffrey is going to be a very special player.
LOL WHAT?
He drafted a player whose production slots him next to Kamara and Hunt who each went like 100+ picks later
between #8 and those 100 picks+
Deshaun Watson
Derek Barnett
TJ Watt
Marshon Lattimore
Budda Baker
all went after Mccaffrey and before hunt/kamara
point being, DG got god. awful. value.
I will be supremely pissed if the Giants do not come away with a QB, and I know Rosen will be on the board. Giants need to take him.
Rosen can set us up for ten years. Barkley will be past his prime in 7.
I don't know how anyone can have confidence Rosen will last five years let alone ten. The guy either didn't start because of injury or didn't finish because of injury, 12 of 20 games while at UCLA.
Last I looked the guys in the NFL were a lot bigger, faster and hit harder than they do in the No D Pac 12.
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Barkley’s best season was 1200 yards. BFD for a guy who is supposed to be a “generational talent” and the “best player in this draft”. He can catch-also BFD, there are rb’s to be had in later rounds who can catch. And sorry, he comes from a school which has over-hyped rb’s for the last half century.
If DG isnt lying about "envision him putting on a gold jacket" he's taking Quenton Nelson.
But no OG/OT, even generational ones (see Joe Thomas, Joe Staley, soon Tyron Smith) takes your team to a superbowl.
It's about forcing touchdowns (QBs, WRs) and stopping touchdowns (pass rushers, cbs)
Walter Payton, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Marshon Lynch, what did they all have in common? They all won Super Bowls and 3 of them are wearing gold jackets. Please don't tell me they did not contribute to winning a Super Bowl.
How about you guys acknowledge that if this team does anything under his stewardship it will be because he got spurned at the coaching alter and had to go to option #2 and #3?
So much for DG constantly picking winners right???
LMFAO
pick isnt in.
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Barkley’s best season was 1200 yards. BFD for a guy who is supposed to be a “generational talent” and the “best player in this draft”. He can catch-also BFD, there are rb’s to be had in later rounds who can catch. And sorry, he comes from a school which has over-hyped rb’s for the last half century.
If DG isnt lying about "envision him putting on a gold jacket" he's taking Quenton Nelson.
But no OG/OT, even generational ones (see Joe Thomas, Joe Staley, soon Tyron Smith) takes your team to a superbowl.
It's about forcing touchdowns (QBs, WRs) and stopping touchdowns (pass rushers, cbs)
Walter Payton, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Marshon Lynch, what did they all have in common? They all won Super Bowls and 3 of them are wearing gold jackets. Please don't tell me they did not contribute to winning a Super Bowl.
LMFAO. maybe you get payton because it was a different era.
Lynch- all decade defense
Faulk- all decade offense
Davis- hof qb
Best RB I ever saw (and I watched 3 of the 4 you listed) was Adrian Peterson. When you surround a generational RB with garbage, you get garbage record it turns out.
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Barkley’s best season was 1200 yards. BFD for a guy who is supposed to be a “generational talent” and the “best player in this draft”. He can catch-also BFD, there are rb’s to be had in later rounds who can catch. And sorry, he comes from a school which has over-hyped rb’s for the last half century.
If DG isnt lying about "envision him putting on a gold jacket" he's taking Quenton Nelson.
But no OG/OT, even generational ones (see Joe Thomas, Joe Staley, soon Tyron Smith) takes your team to a superbowl.
It's about forcing touchdowns (QBs, WRs) and stopping touchdowns (pass rushers, cbs)
Walter Payton, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Marshon Lynch, what did they all have in common? They all won Super Bowls and 3 of them are wearing gold jackets. Please don't tell me they did not contribute to winning a Super Bowl.
LMFAO. maybe you get payton because it was a different era.
Lynch- all decade defense
Faulk- all decade offense
Davis- hof qb
Best RB I ever saw (and I watched 3 of the 4 you listed) was Adrian Peterson. When you surround a generational RB with garbage, you get garbage record it turns out.
It takes a team to win a championship and it mean putting pieces together. If you see what the St. Louis Rams did with there receivers and RB, maybe that is what DG could be envisioning. And the Rams won with a QB that was pulled out of a grocery store bagging groceries.
SB teams are built differently and there is no exact blue print in building one. This team is not going to win just with 1 draft. It takes many drafts and FA to build a team. I laugh hysterically at you guys who say you have to draft a QB or I am going to break my TV or maybe slice my wrist. I DG does not take one so be it. If he does. Great. The draft is about pairing the player with the value of the pick.
Quote: He's there.
It's Josh Rosen or Baker Mayfield
Oh great.
The QB with the questionable medical history (and that is being kind), or Johnny Manziel 2.0.
If those are the two choices. Trade down.
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Barkley’s best season was 1200 yards. BFD for a guy who is supposed to be a “generational talent” and the “best player in this draft”. He can catch-also BFD, there are rb’s to be had in later rounds who can catch. And sorry, he comes from a school which has over-hyped rb’s for the last half century.
If DG isnt lying about "envision him putting on a gold jacket" he's taking Quenton Nelson.
But no OG/OT, even generational ones (see Joe Thomas, Joe Staley, soon Tyron Smith) takes your team to a superbowl.
It's about forcing touchdowns (QBs, WRs) and stopping touchdowns (pass rushers, cbs)
Walter Payton, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Marshon Lynch, what did they all have in common? They all won Super Bowls and 3 of them are wearing gold jackets. Please don't tell me they did not contribute to winning a Super Bowl.
LMFAO. maybe you get payton because it was a different era.
Lynch- all decade defense
Faulk- all decade offense
Davis- hof qb
Best RB I ever saw (and I watched 3 of the 4 you listed) was Adrian Peterson. When you surround a generational RB with garbage, you get garbage record it turns out.
It takes a team to win a championship and it mean putting pieces together. If you see what the St. Louis Rams did with there receivers and RB, maybe that is what DG could be envisioning. And the Rams won with a QB that was pulled out of a grocery store bagging groceries.
SB teams are built differently and there is no exact blue print in building one. This team is not going to win just with 1 draft. It takes many drafts and FA to build a team. I laugh hysterically at you guys who say you have to draft a QB or I am going to break my TV or maybe slice my wrist. I DG does not take one so be it. If he does. Great. The draft is about pairing the player with the value of the pick.
Your examples mean little in today’s NFL. Faulk retiree 12 years ago — right around the time the league transitioned to more of a committee approach with RBs. Lynch was a FA acquisition by Seattle. They didn’t burn a top 5 pick on him. The rest played an ancient game by today’s standards.
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DG has a better idea in building a football team than Vaccaro. He has no business calling it dumb unless he is the equal as to DG in evaluating talent and putting together a football team. Is he one of these guys that will slit his wrist if DG takes Barkley and does take a QB? Jeeze!
DG
wanted to pay an OG, OT money
paid an OT biggest deal ever and he isnt even a pro bowler
drafted a RB with a top 10 pick when Kamara and Hunt went 50+ picks later
pretty sure.... he doesnt.
Tough to shit on him for McCaffrey. McCaffrey is going to be a very special player.
Mccaffrey was pedestrian at best as a runner.. he's similar to former Giant Dave Meggett a scat back who makes big plays in the passing game and on returns.. Not a guy you pick 8th overall
A couple of QBs we passed on become stars, and Gettleman has more trouble picking up a QB to replace Eli for 4 or 5 years, he will be heavily criticized.
If he takes a QB uniformly admired by the draft geeks, he will not get beaten up.
Ask the Bills. Seventeen years without a playoff appearance, and only two winning seasons since they lost Jim Kelly. They are willing to pay almost any price to grab one in this year's class.