Phil Simms: It would be a mistake to take a QB

I am not beating the QB drum that hard but how shortsighted is that viewpoint?

He didn't say it would be a mistake. He said he'd be very surprised if Giants take a QB.

Simms is a borderline auto-ignore at this point.

In comment 13929694 Danny Kanell said:

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Simms is a borderline auto-ignore at this point.

Yup.

Dont go QB because the guy might look really good and if you start out terribly you might have to replace your old guy?

Uh, thats the whole point

What Steve Serby may write.

I see why he was replaced

In comment 13929693 EddieNYG said:

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He didn't say it would be a mistake. He said he'd be very surprised if Giants take a QB.

Read the title of the article.

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Simms is wrong.

at least at the spot we draft, but in terms of general philosophy, he has a pretty dumb take on things.

The Giants shouldn't draft a QB because Eli might suck.

DG is suppose to be the one hired to make the hard decisions, with both a short-term and long-term view. I hope he has a clear plan on the long-term QB view.

of taking a quarterback, and I have read several rationales as to why taking a QB at 2 in this draft isn't the best move.

But Phil's not wrong in what he's saying. Pretty spot-on, actually.

The Giant's screw up guarantees that they now need to fire Eli TWICE. It's impossible to do well, and they did it as poorly as possible. They have assured themselves of a "QB Controversy" whether they pick a QB at 2 or not.

is to turn around the team's culture and character. I guess he feels that supersedes other things at this point in time. And, I'm guessing he thinks that as part of improving character, they need to focus on football stuff and not extraneous fan/media stuff which drove so many stories last year and created things for player to have to answer instead of focusing on their jobs. So, he counsels minimizing mountain/molehill stories, manufactured crises, etc.

Eli has to play spectacularly to keep his job, that’s for sure.

In comment 13929716 Beezer said:

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of taking a quarterback, and I have read several rationales as to why taking a QB at 2 in this draft isn't the best move. But Phil's not wrong in what he's saying. Pretty spot-on, actually.

Yes he is, because it's an incredibly stupid rationale to not take a QB.

Giantology said:

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Read the title of the article.

Writers usually don’t write headlines. Interview subjects never do. Headlines are written by headline-writers, whose job - especially at the Post, and even more so in the Internet age - is to grab our attention.

Drafting him completely undermined Giant legend Joe Pisarcik, especially when the 1979 team started out 0-5. ;o)

as it pertains to selecting a QB, is no way to run a business, son

Stay away from the draft board Phil.

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But he sucks as an analyst.

Rodgers sat for 3 years...the first of which was one of Favre worst seasons ever

... well that's pretty dumb ... the Giants have been reactive to fan pressure forever ... witness The Fumble ... witness the 2017 firings ... all Simms is saying is that ownership doesn't want 2018 to be a repeat of 2017

Personally, I think the Giants made a huge mistake for not moving Simms this year ... solely because the fan and media pressure is going to be impossible for the Giants to deal with in 2018 regardless of who they draft ... Manning is going to be under a microscope this year ... Mara and the Giants are going to be in a no-win situation

Simms is 100% right that this organization has a history of being very reactive to fan pressure and that fan pressure has an effect upon management decisions

is don't take a quarterback "under any circumstances" (which I take to mean, even if the Giants believe someone available is a potential franchise quarterback) because if Eli stinks and the team isn't winning games, there might be some pressure to change quarterbacks?

My initial reaction to this was pure bewilderment, but it actually is beginning to make sense. The Giants actually exist to make Eli Manning happy, not to win football games. This year, while every other team maintains a record of wins and losses, the Giants will play by their own completely different metric: a record of Eli Manning smiles versus Eli Manning frowns. For Giants fans and the media, each Eli Manning smile feels as good as five wins. An Eli Manning chuckle is practically akin to another Lombardi trophy.

1.This head coach will adjust with any QB as he did with the Minnesota QB. Putting him in the right situation based on his talent.
2.You don’t have to draft a QB in the 1st round.
3. He talked about Webb,whom he likes. Talked about he was a good college QB

just scrounging for something meaningful to write or talk about. Literally scraps.

as a draft factor is outstanding.

Plan for one year.

Draft accordingly.

problem solved

All you want, but do you think maybe, just maybe, he knows this owner?

In comment 13929728 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 13929716 Beezer said: Quote: of taking a quarterback, and I have read several rationales as to why taking a QB at 2 in this draft isn't the best move. But Phil's not wrong in what he's saying. Pretty spot-on, actually. Yes he is, because it's an incredibly stupid rationale to not take a QB.

I said I've read several rationales as to why taking a QB at 2 isn't the right move.

What I believe Phil's not wrong about is how it would go. With fans and media. It's precisely how it would go.

I'm not saying a team shouldn't take a QB because it believes a reporter would write about it a lot. Or not.

Simms is pretty bad. His son Chris is probably worse.

this was the year to start a new era,mara is a coward.

I don't think Phil would want to be put in that situation. He would not want to be Kurt Warner who still seems to be pissed that TC benched his ass in favor of Eli. Also he is saying that if your not prepared to plug in and start your new QB (like TC was) you better be prepared to take the heat. So unless you are totally in love with a QB which most people suspect the Giants are not, its better to go another way at pick 2.

In comment 13929770 baadbill said:

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... well that's pretty dumb ... the Giants have been reactive to fan pressure forever ... witness The Fumble ... witness the 2017 firings ... all Simms is saying is that ownership doesn't want 2018 to be a repeat of 2017 Personally, I think the Giants made a huge mistake for not moving Simms this year ... solely because the fan and media pressure is going to be impossible for the Giants to deal with in 2018 regardless of who they draft ... Manning is going to be under a microscope this year ... Mara and the Giants are going to be in a no-win situation Simms is 100% right that this organization has a history of being very reactive to fan pressure and that fan pressure has an effect upon management decisions

It's pretty clear that they have been. What's up for debate is whether that should be the reason to make moves. It shouldn't. Of course you take into account how something would be received by the paying customers, but making football decisions based on stirring up negative press or how fans are going to react is a great way to become a terrible team for a long time. What's best for the team and what fans and media think you should do are generally not in line with each other.

get past the first quote

What Simms is saying has merit.

I think plenty of folks are underestimating how truly bad the Giants were. There's going to be an entirely new 5 guys on the online from a year ago, a brand new system on offense and defense, a head coach who (with mitigating circumstances and growth) did not succeed last time around, arguably the teams two best players coming off recent rehabs.

It would be a miracle for the team to come out of the gates winning a lot of games.

If Darnold and Webb are on the bench, and the Manning led Giants are 0-4, will this head coach have the guts and the mandate to sit the former Super Bowl winning QB like the coach in 2004 did?

It will not be an easy, conflict free decision. What if the team is 4-4 but the QB play is poor?

In comment 13929876 christian said:

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What Simms is saying has merit. I think plenty of folks are underestimating how truly bad the Giants were. There's going to be an entirely new 5 guys on the online from a year ago, a brand new system on offense and defense, a head coach who (with mitigating circumstances and growth) did not succeed last time around, arguably the teams two best players coming off recent rehabs. It would be a miracle for the team to come out of the gates winning a lot of games. If Darnold and Webb are on the bench, and the Manning led Giants are 0-4, will this head coach have the guts and the mandate to sit the former Super Bowl winning QB like the coach in 2004 did? It will not be an easy, conflict free decision. What if the team is 4-4 but the QB play is poor?

I agree it has merit.

Counterpoint, what if the team is 0-4 but the Quarterback play is fine?

Most everybody agrees that these QB's, aside from Rosen, would benefit from sitting a year and learning the pro offense. What if the team gets to 0-2 and 0-4 and the media and public opinion swells for Eli to be replaced, even though he's not quite the problem? Do we cave and insert the QB in there, our crown jewel second overall pick, behind a swiss cheese o-line and no running game, to get shell shocked ala David Carr? Because that's what people wanted for Webb this past season. Difference is, if Webb didn't work out, just another 3rd round pick. No big deal. This is much higher stakes.

In comment 13929691 robbieballs2003 said:

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I am not beating the QB drum that hard but how shortsighted is that viewpoint?

Yeah, that's pretty dumb.

Lol

but it amazes me how these people who are so close to the league can't see the forrest through the trees. He's certainly not the only one. If the Giants draft a QB at #2 he's going to be the starter by the first game 2019 at the latest. Between Eli's play and his contract he's on borrowed time. If the Giants start out 0-2 people will be yelling just as loud for Webb as they would be for a guy drafted this year.

Eli's remaining window is. If they truly think he has 2-3 years left and THE guy is not staring you in the face at #2, you go in a different direction.

Maybe Webb lights in up in camp this week, displaying the improvements needed for him to be a legitimate starting QB. If the Giants think Darnold is the ONLY one of these QB's that is a fit and he is gone, does a team that is not desperate for a QB draft a guy they are not completely sold on...but who has a tremendous upside.

In comment 13929925 Optimus-NY said:

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Lol

If you're referring to my post, you didn't read it. My post was in no way defending Eli Manning, but rather about protecting our most valuable asset.

Simms is saying that as bad as this team is/has been, it needs to be stabilized. We need to right the ship before inserting our new QB in there, and the media/public has little patience.

That's his point. It's not all about Eli. It's about having a good situation for the new QB.

To make the playoffs when Eli replaced him.

Coughlin and Accorsi were thinking more long term, but if I had been playing on that team, I would have been pissed because the Giants gave away a chance for the playoffs.

In comment 13930007 Ivan15 said:

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To make the playoffs when Eli replaced him. Coughlin and Accorsi were thinking more long term, but if I had been playing on that team, I would have been pissed because the Giants gave away a chance for the playoffs.

I agree to some degree. He did have the team at a 5-4 record. But we started 4-1 before losing 3 of 4 in a row.

Also, Warner's performance 9 games in was a lot more game manager. He threw 6 TD's (none to a WR if I recall correctly), and 4 INT's. Tiki Barber was our workhorse at that point.

While Warner did technically get us to 5-4, it's not unreasonable to see that Coughlin felt he needed a spark.

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Must've been "hit in the head too many times" ....... LOL .... Some of you really take yourselves and your opinions way too seriously. Simms is correct here and he has earned the right to an opinion when most of you haven't earned the right to insult his opinion.

Picking up a qb won’t help us one bit formthe next 2-3 years. We can win now if we draft smart and our GM makes shrewd offseason moves. It is not difficult to rise up quickly in the nfl these days.

Play to win now! Heck, some of us may be dead in three years.

In comment 13930040 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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Must've been "hit in the head too many times" ....... LOL .... Some of you really take yourselves and your opinions way too seriously. Simms is correct here and he has earned the right to an opinion when most of you haven't earned the right to insult his opinion.

What kind of nonsense is this? Phil Simms can have his opinion and anyone else is allowed to argue that he's wrong. Just because he played football doesn't mean he's above being questioned. Ray Lewis played football and is in the hall of fame. He's still a horrible analyst.

And add 80 high percentage catches and 1000 yards to Eli's stats. That will make the Geno Smith cultists stfu.

In comment 13929841 sundayatone said:

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this was the year to start a new era,mara is a coward.

And you are an idiot so there’s that

He's right that it would create an unnecessary circus. Where he's wrong is that the Giants shouldn't take a QB. The part of the situation that should have been removed is the 37 year old with the big cap number.

I expect we won't take a quarterback, and we'll be having this same conversation next year after going 7-9. And the quarterback prospects available to us will be much worse than these.

In comment 13929691 robbieballs2003 said:

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I am not beating the QB drum that hard but how shortsighted is that viewpoint?

Unbelievably shortsighted and stunning that he has this opinion. Pass on a possible franchise QB because you are afraid of distractions? Just tough to stomach an opinion like this.

This is why belichick is the best. He doesn't care about crap like this even if unpopular.

He saw no difference between Webb and Goff at California. Webb was more athletic, too.