SY, Coming out of PSU, how do these RBs compare to SB?

can weigh in

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to me weren't busts, just guys that suffered major injuries at a time when the medical advancement was not far enough along to allow them to get past the injuries.

In comment 13929736 Pep22 said:

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to me weren't busts, just guys that suffered major injuries at a time when the medical advancement was not far enough along to allow them to get past the injuries.

Agreed, but this is NOT about how they fared as Pros, only about how they were viewed LEAVING COLLEGE.

how many of them had major knee injuries

In comment 13929740 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13929736 Pep22 said: Quote: to me weren't busts, just guys that suffered major injuries at a time when the medical advancement was not far enough along to allow them to get past the injuries. Agreed, but this is NOT about how they fared as Pros, only about how they were viewed LEAVING COLLEGE.

got it

was right there with Dickerson as a rookie and his career would have been viewed so much differently if he didn't blow his knee out in the turf at the Kingdome in 1984. He came back with a 1000 yard season in 1985 and then almost 1500 yards and 13 TDs in 1986, but his career feel off a cliff at age 28 and he retired before he hit 30.

This is the risk of taking any player, but especially a RB that high. You are looking at really 6 years of top production if you are lucky. Anything more than that is complete gravy. You get the right QB, you are set for 15 years.

terrific collegiate player, terrific NFL star before the knee. The others were significantly over-drafted during the era where the tailback was often overvalued, especially from big programs like PSU, USC, etc.

In comment 13929736 Pep22 said:

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to me weren't busts, just guys that suffered major injuries at a time when the medical advancement was not far enough along to allow them to get past the injuries.

Correct.

But Warner was very productive for about seven years. He has at least three Hall of Fame years with Seattle.

In comment 13929797 Matt in SGS said:

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was right there with Dickerson as a rookie and his career would have been viewed so much differently if he didn't blow his knee out in the turf at the Kingdome in 1984. He came back with a 1000 yard season in 1985 and then almost 1500 yards and 13 TDs in 1986, but his career feel off a cliff at age 28 and he retired before he hit 30. This is the risk of taking any player, but especially a RB that high. You are looking at really 6 years of top production if you are lucky. Anything more than that is complete gravy. You get the right QB, you are set for 15 years.

I’d be delighted if any of these QBs were viewed as franchise quality by the Giants

There was a freshman running back from Wisconsin (I think) that looked like a stud last season... anyone know his name? Thanks in advance.

but my "gut" reminds me that the hype on Carter was VERY high.

on a loaded offense. He could catch, had some wiggle, wasn't terribly powerful but a good running on the edge and in the open field.

The problem is many of these backs look like HoFers at the college level when they reach the second level of the defense and it becomes a simple foot race, but the NFL is another story where everyone can run well, and it's much harder to get past the second level.

and it doesn't take long to get injured, or to find out who doesn't want it badly enough at the NFL level.

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There was a freshman running back from Wisconsin (I think) that looked like a stud last season... anyone know his name? Thanks in advance.

Jonathan Taylor, out of South Jersey. Like Barkley, a Rutgers decommit. Probably a good move by both.

Our new beat writer, Ryan Dunleavy, back when he was covering Rutgers had this gem about Barkley decommitting from Rutgers a few years ago. I think he still gets crap for it to this day, and deservedly so. As a Rutgers fan all you can do at this point is laugh.
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Was it Jonathon Taylor?

There was a freshman running back from Wisconsin (I think) that looked like a stud last season... anyone know his name? Thanks in advance.

How good was the Penn State OL who blocked for those guys? Barkley hasn't had a vintage group leading the way.

In comment 13929866 10thAve said:

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In comment 13929825 est1986 said: Quote: There was a freshman running back from Wisconsin (I think) that looked like a stud last season... anyone know his name? Thanks in advance. Jonathan Taylor, out of South Jersey. Like Barkley, a Rutgers decommit. Probably a good move by both.

Yeah that’s him. He looked really good last year. RB class in 2020 is going to be loaded again. Never too early to talk about a draft class I guess..

Talk about ancient history !

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and it doesn't take long to get injured, or to find out who doesn't want it badly enough at the NFL level.

One of the reasons I like that he avoids the extra hit when necessary

In comment 13929944 njm said:

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How good was the Penn State OL who blocked for those guys? Barkley hasn't had a vintage group leading the way.

I wonder if any of Barkley’s OL even gets drafted this year? None were drafted last year

Other than that why bother to compare Barkley to this group?

In comment 13930064 KWALL2 said:

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Other than that why bother to compare Barkley to this group?

Because I’m curious as to whether or not their plaudits were as high COMING OUT OF COLLEGE as SB’s appears to be. Were they considered generational at the time they were preparing to be drafted as SB is?

Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell?

In comment 13930090 Bubba said:

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Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell?

I cut it off at the ‘80s. Besides, was Sy born yet? :)

Agree however..

In comment 13929736 Pep22 said:

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to me weren't busts, just guys that suffered major injuries at a time when the medical advancement was not far enough along to allow them to get past the injuries.

Enis was ordinary at best in the limited time before his injury and didn’t linger at all in the nfl. He wasn’t going to have a great career. Carter is another story. He lasted ten years and battled through brutal injuries, coming back for more every time. Carter was unlucky. Enis sucked and didn’t work hard to come back based on the info out there.

In comment 13929956 est1986 said:

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In comment 13929866 10thAve said: Quote: In comment 13929825 est1986 said: Quote: There was a freshman running back from Wisconsin (I think) that looked like a stud last season... anyone know his name? Thanks in advance. Jonathan Taylor, out of South Jersey. Like Barkley, a Rutgers decommit. Probably a good move by both. Yeah that’s him. He looked really good last year. RB class in 2020 is going to be loaded again. Never too early to talk about a draft class I guess..

Agree. Najee Harris, Cam Akers, Jonathan Taylor. Perfect time to pick a RB high, if they draft a QB this year, and some O-Line this year and next.

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