Right or wrong, Accorsi WAS CONVINCED Eli Manning was going to be a great quarterback. He knew it in his bones.
The Giants have to have that kind of conviction with this pick.
He was ready to take Ben though if he couldn't get Eli. So it's hard to say that he only had a strong enough conviction about one guy. I actually wanted the Giants to draft Ben--though at the time I was more enamored with pure physical talent than the all around package, and Ben had more pure physical talent, like Josh Allen to Josh Rosen comparison. If the Giants only liked one guy though, then I'd be all for trading up with Cleveland unless they're sure Cleveland won't take him--aka Josh Rosen.
I'd have to agree that the Giants shouldn't draft a QB if they don't feel very strongly about 1 or 2 of them, but I also fear that they're likely being too risk averse by passing on one or two of the QBs who by almost all accounts are going to be top 5 picks.
I don't think the need for QB talent is greater this year than it was last year, and Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson went 10 and 12. The top crop of last year's non-QB players weren't much better than this year's either, so they likely didn't fall for that reason.
I just can't buy into the idea that Mitch Trubisky is a better prospect than Rosen or Darnold. Nor Jared Goff. Carson Wentz is hard to say, especially with hindsight being 20-20. The only guy from last year who maybe exceeded them as a pre-draft prospect was Watson, and that's mainly because the things the guy could do with his feet could make him a dynamic playmaker. Also, if you're going to talk about a QB having the "IT" factor (although I don't really like that cliche), it's Deshaun Watson. But bottom line, I think a couple of these guys are that good. None are an Andrew Luck prospect, but he's a once every 20 year prospect. Peyton Manning wasn't even an Andrew Luck prospect.
Gettleman seems like an open book to me. I didn't take his remarks to mean he won't take a QB. But I do believe him when he says (repeatedly) that if you blow a 1st-round QB selection, it will set your team back five years. He's gone onto explain why as well.
Griffin only set the Redskins back two years
Ponder two years
Titans three years
Rookie cap is a new world
RG3 only set them back 2 years?? They drafted him in 2012 and their record was as follows 10-6, 3-13, 4-12, 9-7, 8-7-1 , 7-9 And they just spent a 3rd round draft pick plus 94 million dollars for Alex Smith
Look at the jets with Mark sanchez. 9 years later and they are still looking for a quarterback
The titans took locker in 2011 and were set back until 2015 when they drafted mariota and were still set back in developing mariota
What set the Jet's back was missing on every QB decision they made in the last decade. Name one player taken after Mark Sanchez in the '09 draft that would have turned the Jets into a SB team. '09 draft: Not one.
Redskins had one good season with Griffin, two bad, got Cousins. Got Smith.
Titans hit on Marriota after missing on Locker
Min went deep into the playoffs and has been way more respectable a couple years after Ponder than the Giants have been.
You play to win the game, You take your shot. If you miss you move on. Take another shot. You don't draft for to be 8-8. You draft to win a fukn SB.
You're ignoring the opportunity cost of the players they passed on. And in the Redskins case, do you remember all of the draft picks they gave up for Griffin?
Except for the fact that he had concerns about his knee prior to entering the draft. When you take a player high with injury concerns, you can't really be surprised when they get injured..
It would be similar to drafting Rosen and then being surprised if he gets another concussion.
doesn't mean they won;t be good this year or next. It means they may struggle longer term. The team in '16 went 11-5 with worse personnel than last year's team - now we have a legit LT.
Better health and better coaching get's them in the conversation for the division, regardless of who the number 2 pick is. Damn, they should have beaten the Eagles twice last year.
The Giants have to have that kind of conviction with this pick.
He was ready to take Ben though if he couldn't get Eli. So it's hard to say that he only had a strong enough conviction about one guy. I actually wanted the Giants to draft Ben--though at the time I was more enamored with pure physical talent than the all around package, and Ben had more pure physical talent, like Josh Allen to Josh Rosen comparison. If the Giants only liked one guy though, then I'd be all for trading up with Cleveland unless they're sure Cleveland won't take him--aka Josh Rosen.
I'd have to agree that the Giants shouldn't draft a QB if they don't feel very strongly about 1 or 2 of them, but I also fear that they're likely being too risk averse by passing on one or two of the QBs who by almost all accounts are going to be top 5 picks.
I don't think the need for QB talent is greater this year than it was last year, and Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson went 10 and 12. The top crop of last year's non-QB players weren't much better than this year's either, so they likely didn't fall for that reason.
I just can't buy into the idea that Mitch Trubisky is a better prospect than Rosen or Darnold. Nor Jared Goff. Carson Wentz is hard to say, especially with hindsight being 20-20. The only guy from last year who maybe exceeded them as a pre-draft prospect was Watson, and that's mainly because the things the guy could do with his feet could make him a dynamic playmaker. Also, if you're going to talk about a QB having the "IT" factor (although I don't really like that cliche), it's Deshaun Watson. But bottom line, I think a couple of these guys are that good. None are an Andrew Luck prospect, but he's a once every 20 year prospect. Peyton Manning wasn't even an Andrew Luck prospect.
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Gettleman seems like an open book to me. I didn't take his remarks to mean he won't take a QB. But I do believe him when he says (repeatedly) that if you blow a 1st-round QB selection, it will set your team back five years. He's gone onto explain why as well.
Griffin only set the Redskins back two years
Ponder two years
Titans three years
Rookie cap is a new world
RG3 only set them back 2 years?? They drafted him in 2012 and their record was as follows 10-6, 3-13, 4-12, 9-7, 8-7-1 , 7-9 And they just spent a 3rd round draft pick plus 94 million dollars for Alex Smith
Look at the jets with Mark sanchez. 9 years later and they are still looking for a quarterback
The titans took locker in 2011 and were set back until 2015 when they drafted mariota and were still set back in developing mariota
Redskins had one good season with Griffin, two bad, got Cousins. Got Smith.
Titans hit on Marriota after missing on Locker
Min went deep into the playoffs and has been way more respectable a couple years after Ponder than the Giants have been.
You play to win the game, You take your shot. If you miss you move on. Take another shot. You don't draft for to be 8-8. You draft to win a fukn SB.
There are reasons why bad teams are bad.
Sign up in a sec. Take a shot.
Except for the fact that he had concerns about his knee prior to entering the draft. When you take a player high with injury concerns, you can't really be surprised when they get injured..
It would be similar to drafting Rosen and then being surprised if he gets another concussion.
Better health and better coaching get's them in the conversation for the division, regardless of who the number 2 pick is. Damn, they should have beaten the Eagles twice last year.