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Why the Browns will take Barkley first overall

JBunch33 : 4/25/2018 10:02 am
As Eric from BBI posted about the QBs in another thread this morning, "Everyone of these guys has a significant question mark... it's not just cherry-picking over over-analyzing."

The Browns know that ultimately picking the right QB is a crapshoot. Some of these guys will pan out, others will bust. Why would they pick one first, then risk Barkley not being there at #4?

The smart play is to take Barkley at #1, then at #4 pick their highest rated QB still left on the board.
It’s already been said by a mostly reliable source  
The_Boss : 4/25/2018 10:04 am : link
They’re going Darnold. There’s a thread on it below.
and yet it's not smart for us to pick Barkley  
SHO'NUFF : 4/25/2018 10:06 am : link
#2?
This is actually not a good idea  
blueblood : 4/25/2018 10:10 am : link
QB's arent just about who the highest rated left is. QB's are about who can handle your offense. Who can read the defenses. Who can grasp all the offensive concepts. Who can make the adjustments on the fly. Who can lead a team. Who has the right demeanor. Who can handle adversity. Who can stay calm under pressure. Who makes the other people around him better. Who can minimize mistakes. Who can bounce back when the mistakes are made. Who can be the face of the franchise and represent the team and the city well.

And this is just a few things that are considered when taking a franchise defining QB.

Its not just.. oh well it doesnt matter.. we'll take which ever of the remaining guys who are highly rated left on the board..

If your Cleveland who hasnt had a consistent starting QB since BERNIE KOSAR and has had 28 different starting QB's since then.. they NEED to get the BEST choice for the position.. not the THIRD choice for the position
I agree with OP  
jintsson : 4/25/2018 10:10 am : link
Think Browns will surprise most and go Barkley #1 to potentially have choice of their top 3 QBs at #4.

There have been strong reports they pick Darnold, some reports they pick Allen, and some that they pick Mayfield. If they are torn on all the top QB prospects, then they can wait till #4.
The flags are not huge with a couple of them  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/25/2018 10:11 am : link
and they will probably have zoned in on a top target they are most comfortable with. They arent going to chance another 2 Qbs to be selected and pick the 3rd Qb. It's not happening. This is the potential face of your franchise for the next 10-15 years and leader of the team. Not a list of complementary players later in the draft.
RE: It’s already been said by a mostly reliable source  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 13930032 The_Boss said:
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They’re going Darnold. There’s a thread on it below.


It's always been Darnold. Browns will leak it tomorrow is my guess.
because they're the browns  
jintz4life : 4/25/2018 10:13 am : link
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so they will be happy to let Giants/Jets determine Browns future QB?  
TJ : 4/25/2018 10:16 am : link
Browns must get a QB n this draft. They have the opportunity to pick the one they think is best. Or they could allow two of their competitors to make that decision for them. Granted it's a horrible franchise but are they that bad?
RE: because they're the browns  
gmenatlarge : 4/25/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13930072 jintz4life said:
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Good one! Actually why would they take an RB if they want a QB? If you want a QB and you have the #1 oick, why screw around, just take who you want. But then again it's like you said up top...
If the Browns skip on a QB and take Barkley then they will  
PatersonPlank : 4/25/2018 10:18 am : link
have to take whichever QB is left over. I doubt any team has all 3 or 4 QB's rated the same and "dont care" which one they get. Its likely that they prefer 1 or maybe 2 tops, so they will have to pick the QB first. In addition they paid $15M on Hyde who is damn good, so I don't think Barkley is a major need. I could see them going Darnold, and then either Chubb or Nelson at #4.
RE: because they're the browns  
blueblood : 4/25/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13930072 jintz4life said:
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This is not the same old Browns. They have John Dorsey as the GM now.Someone that actually KNOWS what they are doing
RE: and yet it's not smart for us to pick Barkley  
jeff57 : 4/25/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13930042 SHO'NUFF said:
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#2?


Do we have another top 5 pick?
Your logic is faulty  
stoneman : 4/25/2018 10:22 am : link
Since your QB pick would be a risk, you cannot afford to risk your best and extremely expensive QB scouting on your presumably best QB selection. Take the QB of your choice, not the 4th best which would make it even riskier.

Also, they have plenty of assets to move up to assure Barkley if they so choose.
This post...  
firedbytheboss : 4/25/2018 10:22 am : link
is moronic. The browns don't care about Barkley. I doubt they select him at 4. the only people obsessed with Barkley are on this board.
RE: This post...  
Britt in VA : 4/25/2018 10:24 am : link
In comment 13930112 firedbytheboss said:
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is moronic. The browns don't care about Barkley. I doubt they select him at 4. the only people obsessed with Barkley are on this board.


Ha, what bunker are you locked in?

He's the consensus best player in the draft by most.
Jets acquiring #3 pick  
jintsson : 4/25/2018 10:26 am : link
made it harder for Browns to pass on QB at #1, but could still see them risking it given all the QB prospects' reported flaws/no clear franchise player.

If they do select Barkley #1, increases chances Giants get offered "king's ransom" for #2 pick immediately after.
Unreal  
PaulN : 4/25/2018 10:27 am : link
No, he won't be the first pick, he may be the second if the Giants agree to trade the second to Cleveland, they want Darnold, and they can't take him at four or two. It will be Darnold and then Barkley to the Browns, the Giants will move to four, add the two second rounders and take Chubb, and that makes all the sense in the world.
My Belief  
Reeses Pieces : 4/25/2018 10:30 am : link
is that Darnold goes 1st and the Giants draft Barkley and work out a deal with the Browns for 4, 33, &35.
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firedbytheboss : 4/25/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13930114 Britt in VA said:
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is moronic. The browns don't care about Barkley. I doubt they select him at 4. the only people obsessed with Barkley are on this board.



Ha, what bunker are you locked in?

He's the consensus best player in the draft by most.


Pshaw. I can point to two analysts who don't even rate him as the top RB in the class. My bet is the browns deal the 4 pick to Buffalo.
RE: RE: RE: This post...  
Britt in VA : 4/25/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13930155 firedbytheboss said:
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In comment 13930112 firedbytheboss said:


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is moronic. The browns don't care about Barkley. I doubt they select him at 4. the only people obsessed with Barkley are on this board.



Ha, what bunker are you locked in?

He's the consensus best player in the draft by most.



Pshaw. I can point to two analysts who don't even rate him as the top RB in the class. My bet is the browns deal the 4 pick to Buffalo.


2 whole analysts?
They might be left with sloppy seconds and thirds  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/25/2018 10:32 am : link
And be forced to choose between Rosen and Mayfield.


Ewwww.
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jintz4life : 4/25/2018 10:33 am : link
id rather have harold landry than bradley chubb

combine stats are basically identical except for the fact landry crushed chubb in the 3 cone drill (6.88 v. 7.37) and the 20yd shuttle (4.19 v. 4.41)

chubb played 40 games in college and had 54.5 tackles for loss and 25 sacks
landry played 38 games in college and had 48 tackles for loss and 25 sacks
it would be the one of the biggest blunders  
family progtitioner : 4/25/2018 10:33 am : link
in Browns history to take SB #1. As posted above, they have not had a QB since the early nineties. Now they're just going to waste the #1 pick on a RB, a position that can be found in later rounds and they have 2 good ones on the roster already? Laughingstock move
if they have 3 QB's rated close  
bluepepper : 4/25/2018 10:34 am : link
then this makes sense but it's really unlikely that after all the film study and workouts and interviews that they have ended up with 3 guys rated equally. One or two of them have surely separated themselves in the Browns minds.
Picking Barkley first  
JBunch33 : 4/25/2018 10:34 am : link
is the best allocation of resources and risk. They are guaranteed the "best" player in the draft AND a top tier QB prospect.

The Browns should be smart enough to realize that ANYONE'S pre-draft analysis of the QBs is far from perfect (just look at how many top QBs bust). NO ONE knows which QB will be the best!
they won't  
HomerJones45 : 4/25/2018 10:34 am : link
they already learned with their lesson with Duke Johnson.
Pick Barkley  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/25/2018 10:37 am : link
And trade a kings ransom with the Giants to guarantee their top QB. Hopefully the discussion has begun DG.
How many quarterbacks  
QB Snacks : 4/25/2018 10:41 am : link
come into the NFL without any questions marks? This line of thinking is beyond dumb.

Ultimately, the Giants havent made a good decision in years and it seems they're going to make another poor one when they waste the 2nd pick on a RB. Seems like a bad decision being made to appease Eli's feelings after fan backlash.

RE: Picking Barkley first  
family progtitioner : 4/25/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 13930168 JBunch33 said:
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is the best allocation of resources and risk. They are guaranteed the "best" player in the draft AND a top tier QB prospect.

The Browns should be smart enough to realize that ANYONE'S pre-draft analysis of the QBs is far from perfect (just look at how many top QBs bust). NO ONE knows which QB will be the best!


So that's the solution? Everyone sucks at picking QBs so just roll the dice and take a 3rd QB left? They MUST have a guy they like above the others. Even if they're wrong, why have scouts if that's their approach? Just look at the draft guide and see who the top 4 QBs are take the remaining one. The most important position in football. OK
Brown's were never going Barkley  
ZogZerg : 4/25/2018 10:51 am : link
Joey needs to buy a hairbrush...
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arcarsenal : 4/25/2018 11:36 am : link
Taking Barkley isn't the "smart play"

If they do that, they risk losing their QB because NYG and NYJ probably both go QB there.

The Browns need a quarterback.

They have needed a quarterback for decades. They aren't going to risk losing out on their guy for the sake of getting a great running back.

My money is on them taking Darnold. Because if that's the guy they covet, and they don't take him @ 1, they aren't getting him. He won't be there anymore @ 4.
I don't even think Barkley goes at 4. Here's how I see it shaking out.  
Keith : 4/25/2018 11:39 am : link
I think cleveland comes out of this draft with their franchise QB and a bookend to play with last years #1 pick Myles Garrett. I think Barkley could fall to the late single digits, maybe around 6, 7, 8.
I agree  
giantfan2000 : 4/25/2018 11:41 am : link
this is the obvious play - Barkley opens up a ton of possibilities for Browns

Brown could take Barkley at #1 and
they can trade #4 for Giants #2

They would get both their QB of future and best player in draft ..

RE: I agree  
family progtitioner : 4/25/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 13930410 giantfan2000 said:
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this is the obvious play - Barkley opens up a ton of possibilities for Browns

Brown could take Barkley at #1 and
they can trade #4 for Giants #2

They would get both their QB of future and best player in draft ..


What if the Giants don't want to trade back? Now they're stuck likely with the 3rd QB. Dumb move
that's flawed logic, OP  
UConn4523 : 4/25/2018 11:52 am : link
and doesn't take into account style differences and how they plan on running their offense moving forward. And coming away with your 3rd ranked QB, which is quite possible at 4, would suck, IMO. The difference in playing style between Allen and Rosen is absolutely massive, for example.
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Brown_Hornet : 4/25/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 13930155 firedbytheboss said:
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is moronic. The browns don't care about Barkley. I doubt they select him at 4. the only people obsessed with Barkley are on this board.



Ha, what bunker are you locked in?

He's the consensus best player in the draft by most.



Pshaw. I can point to two analysts who don't even rate him as the top RB in the class. My bet is the browns deal the 4 pick to Buffalo.

The guys you smoke weed with in your mom's basement are not analysts.
two words: Reggie Bush  
Vanzetti : 4/25/2018 12:11 pm : link
Just as hyped as Barkley as a generational talent. Of course, people back track now and claim Bush had all these flaws that Barkley does not have. But it is all Monday morning quater-backing.

Bush was Barkely 15 years ago. And while Bush was not a bad player, he never lived up to the hype.

Then, throw in that RBs have a much higher injury rate and much shorter careers than QBs, and you realize a RB is just as much of a risk as a QB
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arcarsenal : 4/25/2018 12:19 pm : link
Reggie Bush didn't exactly have a bad NFL career. He was around for a decade and had a few very good seasons.

Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and Jay Cutler were the 3 QB's taken in the first round of that draft. Cutler had a couple of solid years, but for the most part, it was an awful and disappointing QB class. Young and Leinart were both busts.

In hindsight, Bush wasn't a bad pick at all.
RE: two words: Reggie Bush  
UConn4523 : 4/25/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13930490 Vanzetti said:
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Just as hyped as Barkley as a generational talent. Of course, people back track now and claim Bush had all these flaws that Barkley does not have. But it is all Monday morning quater-backing.

Bush was Barkely 15 years ago. And while Bush was not a bad player, he never lived up to the hype.

Then, throw in that RBs have a much higher injury rate and much shorter careers than QBs, and you realize a RB is just as much of a risk as a QB


He wasn't though. Different players, playing with different talent around them. Barkley is actually a bellcow who can handle getting hit and still has close to top end speed with elite pass catching abilities. He's also a far better blocker.

Arguing whether Barkley is worth it at 2 overall is one thing but comparing him to Bush isn't.
blueblood  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/25/2018 12:54 pm : link
nailed it
gentleman picked the 4th best running back in last year's draft  
WillieYoung : 4/25/2018 1:06 pm : link
with the 8th pick (or the 5th best depending on what you think of Dalvin Cook). He could have had K Hunt or the New Orleans guy in the third. Hope he doesn't make that mistake again. Barclay's a sure thing, just like Ki-jana Carter was, just like George Rodgers was, just like Bo Jackson was (played 4 years). If you think there isn't risk with a running back, you haven't been paying attention.
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