out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
Your tone is out of line. Second, if we defer to authority on everything ... then there is literally nothing to talk about or debate on BBI. Finally, the team is picking 2nd overall because despite having a pretty decent QB last year they went 3-13. Yes, i understand its mostly a new front office now... but i think its generally ok as fans to question those with "10-20 years experience" that have produced just 3 division titles since Eli was drafted in 2004.
Wait. We may not disagree on this stuff, because what fun would that be around here, but what's wrong with his "tone"? Please don't tell me that him calling people amateurs, as in not professional at football scouting, offends you, because that would be hilarious.
out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
Your tone is out of line. Second, if we defer to authority on everything ... then there is literally nothing to talk about or debate on BBI. Finally, the team is picking 2nd overall because despite having a pretty decent QB last year they went 3-13. Yes, i understand its mostly a new front office now... but i think its generally ok as fans to question those with "10-20 years experience" that have produced just 3 division titles since Eli was drafted in 2004.
No, my tone is not out of line. Calling a profession dumb or stupid is out of line not knowing what the outcome of the selection will be. We are not Nostradamus. Nothing is guaranteed. I am just pointing out that nobody really has a right to call a pick dumb or stupid with baseless fact, until we know what the outcome is. That is what is so uneducated about these remarks. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but nobody is entitled to the facts, unless they are available. And guess what? There're no facts available to prove it, as of now.
Didn't post it because it seemed like it could definitely be something made up by a poster although apparently he has a pretty good track record with his asshattery. With no clarity as to where the Browns will go tomorrow and Dave Te saying it was down to Allen or Rosen, it seems slightly more likely now that the poster isn't their version of Slade.
out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
So, we're not allowed to have an opinion? We should blindly say "In X I trust"? How did that work out for us the past several years? I'm done believing the professionals opinions are 100% accurate.
The QB is the most important position in all of sports. That's not debatable. I was lucky enough to watch a bunch of college football this season. I'm no scout, but I think Rosen and Darnold showed they have the best chance at being upper echelon QB's. Sure, Barkley is the best player in this draft, but I'm taking a QB who can give you 10-15 years over a RB who would be lucky to give you 8 every day of the week.
out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
So, we're not allowed to have an opinion? We should blindly say "In X I trust"? How did that work out for us the past several years? I'm done believing the professionals opinions are 100% accurate.
The QB is the most important position in all of sports. That's not debatable. I was lucky enough to watch a bunch of college football this season. I'm no scout, but I think Rosen and Darnold showed they have the best chance at being upper echelon QB's. Sure, Barkley is the best player in this draft, but I'm taking a QB who can give you 10-15 years over a RB who would be lucky to give you 8 every day of the week.
Did your read my recent reply? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but nobody is entitled to the facts, especially when not knowing the outcome. I also find it funny that all the need to take a QB crowds do even consider the devastation of selecting the QB that maybe over valued and may result in a bust. See Dave Brown. I admit I was excited about drafting Dave Brown when he was selected in the supplemental draft. As I previously stated, I would be happy if a QB is taken at #2 and I would be happy if a RB is taken at #2. I am not going to call a pick stupid until 3 to 5 years from now, if it doesn't pan out.
out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
In part, because building a roster in a forward thinking and strategic way has nothing to do with being a scout. The complaints about Barkley have less to do with his scouting report and more to do with issues of supply and demand and roster dynamics. If we take him, I'm not going to be "upset" and I think he's very likely to be a good to very good player who makes us better. That said, I will still likely believe that we could have done more with the pick for the long term good of the franchise.
RE: RE: RE: Usually the #1 pick is well known by now actually
so its kind of surprising there is still so much uncertainty out there.
That was before the new CBA when teams had to negotiate with the potential #1 picks. Now with the new rookie pay scale teams no longer have to worry about signing their top picks.
2017 Myles Garrett
2016 Jared Goff
2015 Jameis Winston
2014 Jadeveon Clowney
2013 Eric Fisher
2012 Andrew Luck
2011 Cam Newton
which one of these guys wasn't well known a few days before the draft? Answer = none.
Id say only Fischer because Joekel was argued as the better tackle. I think Bortles was also in the conversation until the Chiefs signed Alex Smith as a FA.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Usually the #1 pick is well known by now actually
so its kind of surprising there is still so much uncertainty out there.
That was before the new CBA when teams had to negotiate with the potential #1 picks. Now with the new rookie pay scale teams no longer have to worry about signing their top picks.
2017 Myles Garrett
2016 Jared Goff
2015 Jameis Winston
2014 Jadeveon Clowney
2013 Eric Fisher
2012 Andrew Luck
2011 Cam Newton
which one of these guys wasn't well known a few days before the draft? Answer = none.
Id say only Fischer because Joekel was argued as the better tackle. I think Bortles was also in the conversation until the Chiefs signed Alex Smith as a FA.
Silver's claiming that he knows the Browns' pick and, while he won't divulge, he's told his other buddy, Steve Kerr, what the pick is (in confidence) and Kerr will be able to confirm Silver's prior knowledge.
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Michael Silver
Of course they are
@musicmatt98
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Is everyone saying that Hue is "out of the loop" just wrong?
Michael Silver
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9m9 minutes ago
I just told @SteveKerr the pick. Hell corroborate at the victory party. Go Dubs. ✊🏼
so its kind of surprising there is still so much uncertainty out there.
That was before the new CBA when teams had to negotiate with the potential #1 picks. Now with the new rookie pay scale teams no longer have to worry about signing their top picks.
2017 Myles Garrett
2016 Jared Goff
2015 Jameis Winston
2014 Jadeveon Clowney
2013 Eric Fisher
2012 Andrew Luck
2011 Cam Newton
which one of these guys wasn't well known a few days before the draft? Answer = none.
In 2016 It went back and forth on who the Rams would take Goff or Wentz. Goff at #1 wasn't universally known.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Usually the #1 pick is well known by now actually
Hmm, I remember the Eagles being happy with both Goff and Wentz which is why they traded up.
I'm pretty sure the Eagles knew they were getting Wentz... and regardless, everyone knew the Rams were taking Goff a few days if not one day... ahead of the draft.
Like i said, this seems unprecedented where one day before the draft there is still uncertainty at #1
RE: Usually the #1 pick is well known by now actually
out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
It's been shown time and time again, and even on this board, that RB is such a low value position that even if Barkley is a near Hall of Famer, the pick might still not be worth it.
really think its even slightly a stretch for the Browns to go Mayfield or Allen over Darnold. Our own Sy would even suggest it according to his ratings. A lot of reports had Shurmur very high on Allen and that guy definitely knows QBs. If the Giants only like Darnold and the Browns are torn but want Chubb/Barkley as well. It would even be a smart play to let the Giants get the QB they want in order to come away with whatever QB they like and the BPA according to them.
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out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
Your tone is out of line. Second, if we defer to authority on everything ... then there is literally nothing to talk about or debate on BBI. Finally, the team is picking 2nd overall because despite having a pretty decent QB last year they went 3-13. Yes, i understand its mostly a new front office now... but i think its generally ok as fans to question those with "10-20 years experience" that have produced just 3 division titles since Eli was drafted in 2004.
Wait. We may not disagree on this stuff, because what fun would that be around here, but what's wrong with his "tone"? Please don't tell me that him calling people amateurs, as in not professional at football scouting, offends you, because that would be hilarious.
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out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
Your tone is out of line. Second, if we defer to authority on everything ... then there is literally nothing to talk about or debate on BBI. Finally, the team is picking 2nd overall because despite having a pretty decent QB last year they went 3-13. Yes, i understand its mostly a new front office now... but i think its generally ok as fans to question those with "10-20 years experience" that have produced just 3 division titles since Eli was drafted in 2004.
No, my tone is not out of line. Calling a profession dumb or stupid is out of line not knowing what the outcome of the selection will be. We are not Nostradamus. Nothing is guaranteed. I am just pointing out that nobody really has a right to call a pick dumb or stupid with baseless fact, until we know what the outcome is. That is what is so uneducated about these remarks. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but nobody is entitled to the facts, unless they are available. And guess what? There're no facts available to prove it, as of now.
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So, we're not allowed to have an opinion? We should blindly say "In X I trust"? How did that work out for us the past several years? I'm done believing the professionals opinions are 100% accurate.
The QB is the most important position in all of sports. That's not debatable. I was lucky enough to watch a bunch of college football this season. I'm no scout, but I think Rosen and Darnold showed they have the best chance at being upper echelon QB's. Sure, Barkley is the best player in this draft, but I'm taking a QB who can give you 10-15 years over a RB who would be lucky to give you 8 every day of the week.
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out there blatantly come to the conclusion that if a running back is taken at #2 that it is a stupid move? Professionals are making these decisions and not us. If they feel that this is the best direction to go and the value is there for the running back and not for the quarterbacks (which some people absolutely conclude in your own minds that they are worth the #2) is just dogmatic and uneducated. If DG decides to take a RB at #2 then so be it. If DG decides to take a QB at #2 then so be it. I will be happy with whomever they select. It's about getting the pick correct and leading to improving the team dramatically. We amateurs don't have 10 to 20 years of scouting experience. We can call the move dumb in 3 to 5 years if the pick does not pan out. KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
So, we're not allowed to have an opinion? We should blindly say "In X I trust"? How did that work out for us the past several years? I'm done believing the professionals opinions are 100% accurate.
The QB is the most important position in all of sports. That's not debatable. I was lucky enough to watch a bunch of college football this season. I'm no scout, but I think Rosen and Darnold showed they have the best chance at being upper echelon QB's. Sure, Barkley is the best player in this draft, but I'm taking a QB who can give you 10-15 years over a RB who would be lucky to give you 8 every day of the week.
Did your read my recent reply? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but nobody is entitled to the facts, especially when not knowing the outcome. I also find it funny that all the need to take a QB crowds do even consider the devastation of selecting the QB that maybe over valued and may result in a bust. See Dave Brown. I admit I was excited about drafting Dave Brown when he was selected in the supplemental draft. As I previously stated, I would be happy if a QB is taken at #2 and I would be happy if a RB is taken at #2. I am not going to call a pick stupid until 3 to 5 years from now, if it doesn't pan out.
In part, because building a roster in a forward thinking and strategic way has nothing to do with being a scout. The complaints about Barkley have less to do with his scouting report and more to do with issues of supply and demand and roster dynamics. If we take him, I'm not going to be "upset" and I think he's very likely to be a good to very good player who makes us better. That said, I will still likely believe that we could have done more with the pick for the long term good of the franchise.
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so its kind of surprising there is still so much uncertainty out there.
That was before the new CBA when teams had to negotiate with the potential #1 picks. Now with the new rookie pay scale teams no longer have to worry about signing their top picks.
2017 Myles Garrett
2016 Jared Goff
2015 Jameis Winston
2014 Jadeveon Clowney
2013 Eric Fisher
2012 Andrew Luck
2011 Cam Newton
which one of these guys wasn't well known a few days before the draft? Answer = none.
Id say only Fischer because Joekel was argued as the better tackle. I think Bortles was also in the conversation until the Chiefs signed Alex Smith as a FA.
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so its kind of surprising there is still so much uncertainty out there.
That was before the new CBA when teams had to negotiate with the potential #1 picks. Now with the new rookie pay scale teams no longer have to worry about signing their top picks.
2017 Myles Garrett
2016 Jared Goff
2015 Jameis Winston
2014 Jadeveon Clowney
2013 Eric Fisher
2012 Andrew Luck
2011 Cam Newton
which one of these guys wasn't well known a few days before the draft? Answer = none.
Id say only Fischer because Joekel was argued as the better tackle. I think Bortles was also in the conversation until the Chiefs signed Alex Smith as a FA.
I remember Cam being a little bit of a surprise
Silver's claiming that he knows the Browns' pick and, while he won't divulge, he's told his other buddy, Steve Kerr, what the pick is (in confidence) and Kerr will be able to confirm Silver's prior knowledge.
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Michael Silver
Of course they are
@musicmatt98
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Is everyone saying that Hue is "out of the loop" just wrong?
Michael Silver
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9m9 minutes ago
I just told @SteveKerr the pick. Hell corroborate at the victory party. Go Dubs. ✊🏼
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so its kind of surprising there is still so much uncertainty out there.
That was before the new CBA when teams had to negotiate with the potential #1 picks. Now with the new rookie pay scale teams no longer have to worry about signing their top picks.
2017 Myles Garrett
2016 Jared Goff
2015 Jameis Winston
2014 Jadeveon Clowney
2013 Eric Fisher
2012 Andrew Luck
2011 Cam Newton
which one of these guys wasn't well known a few days before the draft? Answer = none.
In 2016 It went back and forth on who the Rams would take Goff or Wentz. Goff at #1 wasn't universally known.
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In 2016 It went back and forth on who the Rams would take Goff or Wentz. Goff at #1 wasn't universally known.
My recollection was that Goff at one was known by the week of the draft; PHI got confirmation of that before trading up.
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In 2016 It went back and forth on who the Rams would take Goff or Wentz. Goff at #1 wasn't universally known.
My recollection was that Goff at one was known by the week of the draft; PHI got confirmation of that before trading up.
Hmm, I remember the Eagles being happy with both Goff and Wentz which is why they traded up.
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Browns know by now who they will draft. My guess is it's Darnold.
Thats correct its Darnold.
Wrong. It's Allen.
I could potentially see it down to Darnold and Mayfield, but Darnold will be the choice. Allen will slide down to 5-7.
Hmm, I remember the Eagles being happy with both Goff and Wentz which is why they traded up.
I'm pretty sure the Eagles knew they were getting Wentz... and regardless, everyone knew the Rams were taking Goff a few days if not one day... ahead of the draft.
Like i said, this seems unprecedented where one day before the draft there is still uncertainty at #1
The Browns need the smokescreen because of the #4 pick. I think we'd know by now if they didn't have another pick so soon after the first pick.
It's been shown time and time again, and even on this board, that RB is such a low value position that even if Barkley is a near Hall of Famer, the pick might still not be worth it.