...(and I think I speak for BBI by saying that if there's one scout that's earned our trust, it's Sy), then Rosen is the best QB prospect he's graded since he started doing his grades in 2013. By a wide margin. Sy gave Rosen a grade of 89. The next closest during that timeframe? Mayfield and Goff at 86. Wentz was graded at an 82. Webb? 74.
By my count, there have been 11 franchise QBs* drafted during that timeframe (including zero from 2013). According to Sy, Rosen is a better prospect than every single one of them. But somehow there are too many question marks for the QBs coming out this year? So Rosen is not a franchise QB? If Rosen is there, you grab him and you don't think twice.
* Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, Goff, Wentz, Prescott, Winston, Mariotta, Carr, Bortles, and Garappolo.
Rosens not dropping. He will go 2 or 3.
Maybe he scored Rosen higher because he reminds him of his brother.
Don’t focus on what one person thinks.
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Also, Sy do not actually see them in person....which everyone says makes a difference.
Which to me is a red flag - it wasn’t like that in 2004
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I hope Sy is right and I hope Rosen is in blue next year.
Rosens not dropping. He will go 2 or 3.
The only place Rosen is dropping (or not dropping) is on make believe pretend mock drafts - which have zero to do with the actual thinking of GMs of NFL teams.
Also, Sy do not actually see them in person....which everyone says makes a difference.
He does/has seen some in person
Rosen isn't dropping until the draft starts, that's a case of don't believe everything you hear.
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to see such a wide discrepancy of opinions on all of the top QBs in this draft.
Which to me is a red flag - it wasn’t like that in 2004
I don't think it is a red flag. There was debate on Goff vs. Wentz, Luck vs. RGIII, Manning vs. Leaf. The bigger red flag to me is that Rosen could not stay healthy in college and it wasn't just concussions. Look at how Green Bay struggled when Aaron Rodgers was hurt or Dallas with Tony Romo late in his career. With Rosen you need to have a back-up who is capable of being an NFL starter, journeyman back-up is not good enough.
Also, Sy do not actually see them in person....which everyone says makes a difference.
Luck was 2012.
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to see such a wide discrepancy of opinions on all of the top QBs in this draft.
Which to me is a red flag - it wasn’t like that in 2004
This is so not true, There was wide variety of opinions of who would be the best QB. Big Ben had the biggest “upside” but was biggest risk, Rivers had the “best arm” but a quirky delivery. Everyone asked what if Eli’s last name was Smith- he wouldn’t be #1.
What there was consensus on was that Eli would go #1. Much like the idea that Darnold is to go #1.
They were heavily critiqued and many had different ideas on who was best.
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to see such a wide discrepancy of opinions on all of the top QBs in this draft.
Which to me is a red flag - it wasn’t like that in 2004
I don't think it is a red flag. There was debate on Goff vs. Wentz, Luck vs. RGIII, Manning vs. Leaf. The bigger red flag to me is that Rosen could not stay healthy in college and it wasn't just concussions. Look at how Green Bay struggled when Aaron Rodgers was hurt or Dallas with Tony Romo late in his career. With Rosen you need to have a back-up who is capable of being an NFL starter, journeyman back-up is not good enough.
Rosen had one other injury. A soft tissue injury in his shoulder which is really like a muscle strain.
it isn't close.
To the point about Luck, he was drafted in 2012, so one year before Sy started doing his grades. But sure, the grade on Luck would likely have been very high.
As to the point about Mahomes (and Trubisky too), the point isn't that these guys are well-established franchise QBs, it's that their organizations have shown that they trust these guys to be their guys for the future; that they've shown promise. Also, if you ask me if I would love to have Mahomes waiting in the wings, my answer be "absolutely." And again, Rosen was graded as an even better prospect.
This is where I give the Giants a distinct advantage in the scouting of a QB. I think that Gettlemen and Accorsi still talk and I think if there is a QB worth their draft status they would be better judges of it. Since Accorsi did go all in on Eli and that worked out.
It could be possible that Rosen has been their target all along. Maybe since they are blowing smoke about Chubb, Barkley, Allen and Darnold (All picks that interest the Browns a great deal) because they probably believe that the Giants know what they are looking at for a franchise QB. Throw them off the track. It seems like Gettlemen has them thinking of all these players but 1, Rosen.
Now here is the too cute part. The Jets sitting at 3 are a definite landing spot for Rosen so trading back with the Browns @ 4 could be seen as being "too cute". I have a friend that is pretty tuned in with the Jets (has a connection) and since Feb he has been saying the Jets are targeting to draft Mayfield. He did say this to me the other night, Rosen is picking up steam but Mayfield is still the target.
All I can say is I trust whatever DG decides to do.
Listen, we all love Eli and know this team isn't getting fixed enough this year to make a serious run for the Super Bowl. I hope we improve enough to be a thorn in the NFC East's playoff plans.
I wasn't a fan of Rosen at all but I am starting to warm to the idea of accepting him being drafted and having Webb as a solid backup/understudy.
I don't see the issue of letting Rosen sit for up to 2 years but I don't think it will take that long.
I do believe the changing of the guard is coming and it will be sooner than we all think.
Eli's last name?
Big Ben... I don't even remember.
Eli's last name?
Big Ben... I don't even remember.
Rivers delivery is worse than Darnolds, it was definitely an issue (or would be magnified now due to today's over exposure). Eli it was turnovers. Also can't remember Ben's outside of level of competition.
You know Eli was/is about the almighty dollar too, right? And why wouldn't we pay him top dollar if he was a great QB?
Odd reason not to like him.
I hope the other teams go with the crowd and he'd be sitting there at 34 and we grab him.
Fair time to note Eli Manning has never taken a nickel less and also taken home about a quarter of a billion dollarsin his career.
I guess you could say that about any player, but if two QB's are close in the giants eyes, I can't see them picking Rosen.
And he's dead wrong on LamJax, who will be the best QB in this draft... ;)
Curious, where are Sy's ratings from pre-2013? Luck? Megatron?? Megatron was '07.
His Dad I believe is a Neurosurgeon or something like that. What if his Dad told him one more concussion and you should hang it up son. Its a big what if but teams surely have to take that into account. His playing style is more prone to take big hits as well.
I dont think he is long for the NFL and I would steer clear. As DG states, you need to picture this guy with a Gold Jacket and you dont get that without a long career at QB.
And I don't want to tell you where I had Aaron Curry and Trent Richardson....
And I don't want to tell you where I had Aaron Curry and Trent Richardson....
Any one player that didn’t pan out that you are most surprised by? Is it Curry or Richardson?
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Calvin Johnson was a 96.
And I don't want to tell you where I had Aaron Curry and Trent Richardson....
Any one player that didn’t pan out that you are most surprised by? Is it Curry or Richardson?
Curry. I was "positive" about him
Eli's last name?
Big Ben... I don't even remember.
More trivial then hes "too smart" or "he will retire when daddy tells him to"?
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his talent may be great but his cockiness is not what this team needs. We already have a WR who considers himself to be the best those 2 in the same locker room no thanks. He will be all about the almighty dollar in 5 years. I like silent leaders for your QB. If we are going to go for a QB I hope it is Darnold or Allen.
You know Eli was/is about the almighty dollar too, right? And why wouldn't we pay him top dollar if he was a great QB?
Odd reason not to like him.
Eli never said he was the best or wanted to be the best of all time. He never held out or held up the organization. He got the money that was deserved which is what Rosen would get if he is worth it. Can you imagine the press going after this guy if he fails after calling himself the best QB in this draft. Look just go out play football let your play speak for itself. I think it is a mistake when your QB talks to much. Brady, Montana, Unitas, Elway, Bradshaw etc.. never declared themselves the greatest. They played the game and let the wins speak for themselves. I believe Roaen will be a disaster if drafted by either NY team.