Heard it on my way into work this morning. Gist of their commentary was that they believe the Giants' statements they have been making since the new regime got here are true, and they believe the Giants believe what they are saying, as well. Statements about Eli having a few good years left in him, that you build a team from the inside out, that they want to keep Odell (and appear to be committed to tying themselves to paying him $17-18 mil a year)..."why would you do that if you are going to bring in a highly-drafted rookie qb?", the fact they got rid of JPP (BTW, Papa said if Giants fans put on tape of JPP from last year and watch him closely, you'd be astonished at the lack of effort) and need a dominant pass rusher, coupled with the fact that when you pick an RB that high, you will wind up paying them at the top of the wage scale (as well as when extensions are due) for a dispensible/replaceable position where there are great RB's to be had in rounds 2-4, etc.
In their eyes, all of that points to Bradley Chubb at #2.
Depends... let's ask Sales and Marketing. You want jersey sales, high ratings, ticket sales and a whole new generation of Giants fans, exciting is the way to go. I've seen more Giants gear on people in California since OBJ came on the scene. A young kid I know worships OBJ and is a new Giants fan. In the long run, exciting may be the best for the franchise.
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Terps, it was never mentioned or even discussed once on the radio during games and Bob and Carl were watching the tape then.
Funny how his effort is now brought up with him no longer on the roster.
Take Nelson.
I heard it the same as you. Both agreed that what they do at #2 will reveal the truth of what the NYG really believe re how much Eli has left. Said the first round would reveal the truth about a lot of teams.
According to the link above to the Browns board - They have Chubb rated as their #1 player. If true, they would go Chubb at 4 (or 2 with a trade up).
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Terps, it was never mentioned or even discussed once on the radio during games and Bob and Carl were watching the tape then.
Funny how his effort is now brought up with him no longer on the roster.
There have been questions on JPP's effort going back to 2012. I wasn't the only guy saying it.
$15M in dead money this year...one of Jerry Reese's parting gifts. Think about this: maybe if that dead money weren't on the books it would be easier to trade/release Eli now, and we might be more likely to draft a QB.
Ugh. Anyway, I think Chubb at #2 is probably where the smart bet would be.
Take Nelson.
100%. So you miss out on Chubb and add a potential pro-bowler at a key spot AND more talent. Boo hoo.
As for tomorrow, the only thing I am sure of is we will not take a QB. but I could easily see us trading down to 5 or 6 and still get one of Barkley, Chubb or Nelson.
Did JPP lead the team in sacks last year and in the defensive system that Spags had last year didn't the DE's have a lot of responsibility for stopping the run? I think that if true has got to be considered too.
Take Nelson.
I agree with arc. If the Giants don't come away with a QB, Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb - something went wrong.
In any event, I think the key question with Chubb is how much better do we think he is than the guys that would be considered the next tier: Nelson, Vea, Smith, etc. If the gap is big, you don't trade down. But if it isn't (and based on Sy's reports it doesn't appear to be), then I would think a trade down makes sense.
The problem is that the Browns might well draft Chubb at #2. Somebody linked to a Browns bulletin board that says Chubb is their #1 player. If that's also true for the Giants, then it's unlikely that DG would move to #4 for just 2 #2s. He'd probably want Cleveland's #1 next year, which I don't think they'd include.
My guess is that the Giants stay at #2, and draft either Barkley or Chubb, assuming Darnold is gone. I was sure it would be Barkley, but now I'm inclined to say Chubb.
Why would you want to keep OBJ and draft a young QB? You have to have great weapons for him to throw too!
We surrounded Eli with playmaking WRs early on. You surely are going to do it for the next QB.
You also will be able to afford to keep OBJ, when you get Mannings numbers off the books.
Pipe down, Joey in CT!
Chubb would play OLB. Mauro and Wynn are on the line in a basic 34 base.
They can get versatile with him obviously but he's standing up more often than not.
Be honest about this. There's no situation where they would have traded or dumped Eli this year. You know that.
I'm still convinced Jints Central has a massive crush on Barkley. He creates a great marketing package for Mara - he can sell the Triplets + 1: OBJ, Barkley, Engram and Eli. Come see the show!
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Think about this: maybe if that dead money weren't on the books it would be easier to trade/release Eli now, and we might be more likely to draft a QB.
Be honest about this. There's no situation where they would have traded or dumped Eli this year. You know that.
You're probably right, but who knows...maybe if we get Darnold?
Regardless, it's not like we could have done something else with the money we're allotting for JPP to not play for us this year. Beckham or Collins come to mind.
I'm coming around to this idea more and more. Especially with the state of our OL right now. Take Darnald if he's there, and if not trade down....makes sense to me and I'm good with it. I'm not good with Chubb at #2.....that's a waste imo.
This.
It's perplexing that people that put so much time and effort into discussing football have so little understanding of the subject.
He's obviously a monster talent, he's versatile. But pretty much every play I've seen him make has come out of a 4-3 alignment.
I guess we'll know in just over 24 hours.
I brought this up on another thread...in the BBI mock draft I pick for the Colts. This year they have an extra second rounder because of their trade down to #6.
I know the BBI mock draft isn't an end all be all, but it was striking to me the quality of players that fell. I was able to get Chubb at #6, and then Sony Michel and DJ Moore at the top of the second round. And there were other really good prospects available too.
Trading down in a year where there figure to be 5 QBs in the first round is a good move. Talented players get pushed down the board.
I'm rooting pretty hard for a trade down, because I don't think the Giants are all that interested in picking a QB.
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I'm fine with losing out on Chubb in a trade down scenario.
Take Nelson.
I agree with arc. If the Giants don't come away with a QB, Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb - something went wrong.
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A trade down to four is the ideal scenario.
It allows a blue chip player and likely the two second-rounders. I wonder if the points add up should Cleveland offer 33 and the first pick in the third. ( realizing of course that's somebody on BBI probably has the points chart taped to their monitor)
What about building around a young quarterback? This thread title is extremely misleading, IMO - Was anyone else listening? A caller asked Papa and Diehl: IF the Giants pass on a QB, do you think Barkley or Chubb will be the pick at #2? They both answered that in this scenario, they thought Chubb would be the pick. Somehow this is spun into "Papa and Diehl are convinced of Chubb at #2"???
I'm pumped! It's like Christmas.