Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
No. Mcadoo was a clown in an oversized suit. If you have a problem with the qb do something about it instead of taking veiled shots at him through the media. Here’s an idea: change the offense and playcalling and try something different than 11 personnel!
Eli has a thick skin or were you in a coma since 2004???
A lesser man would have vocally and publicly obliterated mcadoo. Eli took the high road as usual.
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
Bullshit. Reese never tried to put the blame on Eli, without also blaming himself. Show me the quote where he did this?
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
Bullshit. Reese never tried to put the blame on Eli, without also blaming himself. Show me the quote where he did this?
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
No. Mcadoo was a clown in an oversized suit. If you have a problem with the qb do something about it instead of taking veiled shots at him through the media. Here’s an idea: change the offense and playcalling and try something different than 11 personnel!
Eli has a thick skin or were you in a coma since 2004???
A lesser man would have vocally and publicly obliterated mcadoo. Eli took the high road as usual.
Some bbi'ers still don't comprehend, Hue f***ing Jackson turned down an interview with our front office. The whole HC search was a s***show reach for Slick.
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
that was after he got away with scapegoating Gilbride, Fewell, Coughlin, Flaherty. Nobody else was left. He brought in every player and coach himself.
Admitting Eli didn’t play well calling McAdoo the fucking donkey Â
I can't imagine what it has been like for Eli since Gilbride was made a scapegoat for Reese's inability to surround Eli with an adequate supporting cast of talent... Thank you Coach Shurmur!
This one quote sums up my optimism why Eli will have a performance resurgence well beyond even the most optimistic expectations. Give him another weapon to complement Odell, a couple more Hog Mollies to shore up the offensive line and reestablish a strong running game and play action based vertical passing attack that actually leverages Eli's pocket passing talents... Do these things and we will score thirty points in more games this year than we did during the entire McAdon't tenure...
I didn't have a problem with McAdoo giving Eli heat. Eli deserved it at times. My problem was that McAdoo seemed to go out of his way to criticize Eli & yet would refuse to criticize others like Beckham when they deserved some scorn.
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
Bullshit. Reese never tried to put the blame on Eli, without also blaming himself. Show me the quote where he did this?
Hang Dog Look. I must be slow to not pick-up the blame that Reese put on himself in that instance.
I must have been absent that day when Reese took any responsibility Â
Kim Jones weighs in (Video) https://twitter.com/KimJonesSports/status/989227796479299585 - ( New Window )
Watching her clip, you see Eli in the background running on designed roll-outs. I'm confused. BBI told me that he can't move and is a statue. I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
No. Mcadoo was a clown in an oversized suit. If you have a problem with the qb do something about it instead of taking veiled shots at him through the media. Here’s an idea: change the offense and playcalling and try something different than 11 personnel!
Eli has a thick skin or were you in a coma since 2004???
A lesser man would have vocally and publicly obliterated mcadoo. Eli took the high road as usual.
called out Eli in a press conference for having to do better at making plays and in THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE when asked about the OL said they were doing a good job.
I fully believe that Mac thinks with a different QB that his offense would've been productive, and he increasingly blamed Eli to keep the heat off his system.
I remember when Eli said somethign about coaching up the younger QB's in the QB room and helping them out with anythign he could and MacAdoo's response was...we just need Eli to play football, let the coaches coach.
There was def some kind of power struggle, but MacAdoo came off like a major do*che.
Having cut his teeth in GB, I think McAdoo operated in some weird world where every QB could do what Aaron Rodgers does.
Rodgers is a rare player. That said, Eli brings a lot to the table in his own right.
Arrogance and stubbornness was Mac's downfall here.
It just wasn't his GB background, but I believe he bought into the hype that the NY media created. Before getting the HC gig, he was buying what the NY Media was selling about him. Compound that with a successful first year that was buoyed by a defense that played out of their minds, healthy roster, and lower level competition, he returned with a cock-swagger and a perception that he earned some pelts to hang on the wall. Eli was the only thing that was holding him back from his perceived greatness. Now, he'll be lucky to work as a OC again.
called out Eli in a press conference for having to do better at making plays and in THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE when asked about the OL said they were doing a good job.
I fully believe that Mac thinks with a different QB that his offense would've been productive, and he increasingly blamed Eli to keep the heat off his system.
I actually originally liked him critiquing Eli because I thought Eli might have gotten a little too comfortable/complacent under TC... but as you pointed out, there seemed to be a a double, triple, or quadruple standard... I think many of us came away with the same impression... that McAdoo felt Eli was holding him back. I still think that is why he started Geno.
RE: McAdoo, I still can't believe a guy who started out as sort of a lovable football dork who was pressing all the right buttons, turned into an arrogant, insufferable douche who pissed all over this franchise and the legacy of one of its greatest. most beloved figures in a matter of months.
But if Giants are reluctant to draft a quarterback because it would be a distraction and they are committed to making another run with Eli, ignoring his age and recent performance, that is a decision I would be disappointed in.
All you need to understand about how bad a job Reese and McAdoo did Â
Is that I highly doubt you will ever see Reese sniff any kind of a GM job again and McAdoo will be lucky to be coaching the Offense at a Div 2 school in the future
RE: All you need to understand about how bad a job Reese and McAdoo did Â
Is that I highly doubt you will ever see Reese sniff any kind of a GM job again and McAdoo will be lucky to be coaching the Offense at a Div 2 school in the future
If Reese fails to get another GM job it will be more about the old boy network and not about his tenure with the Giants.
called out Eli in a press conference for having to do better at making plays and in THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE when asked about the OL said they were doing a good job.
I fully believe that Mac thinks with a different QB that his offense would've been productive, and he increasingly blamed Eli to keep the heat off his system.
I actually originally liked him critiquing Eli because I thought Eli might have gotten a little too comfortable/complacent under TC... but as you pointed out, there seemed to be a a double, triple, or quadruple standard... I think many of us came away with the same impression... that McAdoo felt Eli could was holding him back. I still think that is why he started Geno.
He hated Eli because he wasn’t Rodgers. He expected Eli to make plays with his feet which was NEVER his game. Which is shitty since Ben said he would improve Eli when he got here. That’s why he was hired. Yet he bailed on his promise to play Geno.
Parcells once told Simms, "Phil, I couldn't ask you to play any better but when we hit the practice field today I'm going to give you holy hell." It's a well-worn strategy for a coach to come down hard on his best players to show everyone else how to toe the line (see also Popovich and Tim Duncan on the Spurs).
But the best coaches know when to take on responsibility when things go to pot, even if they don't necessarily deserve all the blame. As Coughlin said, "When we lose, I lose. When we win, you guys win." Suffice to say, McAdoo never learned that one.
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
No. Mcadoo was a clown in an oversized suit. If you have a problem with the qb do something about it instead of taking veiled shots at him through the media. Here’s an idea: change the offense and playcalling and try something different than 11 personnel!
Eli has a thick skin or were you in a coma since 2004???
A lesser man would have vocally and publicly obliterated mcadoo. Eli took the high road as usual.
Didn't he bench him?
No. Wait, what? Don’t remember sorry.
He handled Eli and the offense as badly as possible.
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
Could Eli say Reese should draft better publicly? Can he speak about his shitty cap management too? Reese and McAdoo reallybarent at fault as the fault really lies w ownership. But when did you ever hear Reese admit he sucked? Eli is not a guy who ever shows away from fault. Somanfuy who sucked as his job might be a little more careful with his words. Just an arrogant ass who was promoted one too many times
RE: RE: All you need to understand about how bad a job Reese and McAdoo did Â
Is that I highly doubt you will ever see Reese sniff any kind of a GM job again and McAdoo will be lucky to be coaching the Offense at a Div 2 school in the future
If Reese fails to get another GM job it will be more about the old boy network and not about his tenure with the Giants.
I didn't have a problem with McAdoo giving Eli heat. Eli deserved it at times. My problem was that McAdoo seemed to go out of his way to criticize Eli & yet would refuse to criticize others like Beckham when they deserved some scorn.
Exactly. TC would criticize Eli at times also when he deserved it but he wouldn't single him out and make him the blame for the loss when other areas of the team weren't doing well either.
Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
Could Eli say Reese should draft better publicly? Can he speak about his shitty cap management too? Reese and McAdoo reallybarent at fault as the fault really lies w ownership. But when did you ever hear Reese admit he sucked? Eli is not a guy who ever shows away from fault. Somanfuy who sucked as his job might be a little more careful with his words. Just an arrogant ass who was promoted one too many times
Coughlin reflected upon himself and admitted his faults and adapted and changed when situations didn't go right.
Never seen or heard anything remotely close from Reese, just wearing a t-shirt and jeans to Coughlin's retirement ffs.
I don't know what the hell ownership was thinking with the entire transition from Coughlin. What a shit show.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
No. Mcadoo was a clown in an oversized suit. If you have a problem with the qb do something about it instead of taking veiled shots at him through the media. Here’s an idea: change the offense and playcalling and try something different than 11 personnel!
Eli has a thick skin or were you in a coma since 2004???
A lesser man would have vocally and publicly obliterated mcadoo. Eli took the high road as usual.
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
Bullshit. Reese never tried to put the blame on Eli, without also blaming himself. Show me the quote where he did this?
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
Bullshit. Reese never tried to put the blame on Eli, without also blaming himself. Show me the quote where he did this?
Don't be skittish. Say how you really feel.
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
No. Mcadoo was a clown in an oversized suit. If you have a problem with the qb do something about it instead of taking veiled shots at him through the media. Here’s an idea: change the offense and playcalling and try something different than 11 personnel!
Eli has a thick skin or were you in a coma since 2004???
A lesser man would have vocally and publicly obliterated mcadoo. Eli took the high road as usual.
Some bbi'ers still don't comprehend, Hue f***ing Jackson turned down an interview with our front office. The whole HC search was a s***show reach for Slick.
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
that was after he got away with scapegoating Gilbride, Fewell, Coughlin, Flaherty. Nobody else was left. He brought in every player and coach himself.
This one quote sums up my optimism why Eli will have a performance resurgence well beyond even the most optimistic expectations. Give him another weapon to complement Odell, a couple more Hog Mollies to shore up the offensive line and reestablish a strong running game and play action based vertical passing attack that actually leverages Eli's pocket passing talents... Do these things and we will score thirty points in more games this year than we did during the entire McAdon't tenure...
https://twitter.com/KimJonesSports/status/989227796479299585 - ( New Window )
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
The issue is more that Reese was trying to scapegoat a two time super bowl mvp to deflect attention from the horrible roster he had assembled - the real cause of their losing.
Bullshit. Reese never tried to put the blame on Eli, without also blaming himself. Show me the quote where he did this?
Hang Dog Look. I must be slow to not pick-up the blame that Reese put on himself in that instance.
Watching her clip, you see Eli in the background running on designed roll-outs. I'm confused. BBI told me that he can't move and is a statue. I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
No. Mcadoo was a clown in an oversized suit. If you have a problem with the qb do something about it instead of taking veiled shots at him through the media. Here’s an idea: change the offense and playcalling and try something different than 11 personnel!
Eli has a thick skin or were you in a coma since 2004???
A lesser man would have vocally and publicly obliterated mcadoo. Eli took the high road as usual.
Didn't he bench him?
I fully believe that Mac thinks with a different QB that his offense would've been productive, and he increasingly blamed Eli to keep the heat off his system.
Rodgers is a rare player. That said, Eli brings a lot to the table in his own right.
Arrogance and stubbornness was Mac's downfall here.
There was def some kind of power struggle, but MacAdoo came off like a major do*che.
Rodgers is a rare player. That said, Eli brings a lot to the table in his own right.
Arrogance and stubbornness was Mac's downfall here.
It just wasn't his GB background, but I believe he bought into the hype that the NY media created. Before getting the HC gig, he was buying what the NY Media was selling about him. Compound that with a successful first year that was buoyed by a defense that played out of their minds, healthy roster, and lower level competition, he returned with a cock-swagger and a perception that he earned some pelts to hang on the wall. Eli was the only thing that was holding him back from his perceived greatness. Now, he'll be lucky to work as a OC again.
I fully believe that Mac thinks with a different QB that his offense would've been productive, and he increasingly blamed Eli to keep the heat off his system.
I actually originally liked him critiquing Eli because I thought Eli might have gotten a little too comfortable/complacent under TC... but as you pointed out, there seemed to be a a double, triple, or quadruple standard... I think many of us came away with the same impression... that McAdoo felt Eli was holding him back. I still think that is why he started Geno.
But if Giants are reluctant to draft a quarterback because it would be a distraction and they are committed to making another run with Eli, ignoring his age and recent performance, that is a decision I would be disappointed in.
If Reese fails to get another GM job it will be more about the old boy network and not about his tenure with the Giants.
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called out Eli in a press conference for having to do better at making plays and in THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE when asked about the OL said they were doing a good job.
I fully believe that Mac thinks with a different QB that his offense would've been productive, and he increasingly blamed Eli to keep the heat off his system.
I actually originally liked him critiquing Eli because I thought Eli might have gotten a little too comfortable/complacent under TC... but as you pointed out, there seemed to be a a double, triple, or quadruple standard... I think many of us came away with the same impression... that McAdoo felt Eli could was holding him back. I still think that is why he started Geno.
He hated Eli because he wasn’t Rodgers. He expected Eli to make plays with his feet which was NEVER his game. Which is shitty since Ben said he would improve Eli when he got here. That’s why he was hired. Yet he bailed on his promise to play Geno.
But the best coaches know when to take on responsibility when things go to pot, even if they don't necessarily deserve all the blame. As Coughlin said, "When we lose, I lose. When we win, you guys win." Suffice to say, McAdoo never learned that one.
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
No. Mcadoo was a clown in an oversized suit. If you have a problem with the qb do something about it instead of taking veiled shots at him through the media. Here’s an idea: change the offense and playcalling and try something different than 11 personnel!
Eli has a thick skin or were you in a coma since 2004???
A lesser man would have vocally and publicly obliterated mcadoo. Eli took the high road as usual.
Didn't he bench him?
No. Wait, what? Don’t remember sorry.
He handled Eli and the offense as badly as possible.
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
Could Eli say Reese should draft better publicly? Can he speak about his shitty cap management too? Reese and McAdoo reallybarent at fault as the fault really lies w ownership. But when did you ever hear Reese admit he sucked? Eli is not a guy who ever shows away from fault. Somanfuy who sucked as his job might be a little more careful with his words. Just an arrogant ass who was promoted one too many times
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Is that I highly doubt you will ever see Reese sniff any kind of a GM job again and McAdoo will be lucky to be coaching the Offense at a Div 2 school in the future
If Reese fails to get another GM job it will be more about the old boy network and not about his tenure with the Giants.
LMAO..Absurd
Exactly. TC would criticize Eli at times also when he deserved it but he wouldn't single him out and make him the blame for the loss when other areas of the team weren't doing well either.
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Between him and Reese constantly throwing Eli under the bus it must be refreshing for Eli with Shurmur and DG.
So no one can talk about his shitty play? He’s not a rookie. There is nothing wrong with a GM saying he needs to play better. Which is all Reese, ever said about him. Everyone always so worried about hurting little Eli’s feelings
Could Eli say Reese should draft better publicly? Can he speak about his shitty cap management too? Reese and McAdoo reallybarent at fault as the fault really lies w ownership. But when did you ever hear Reese admit he sucked? Eli is not a guy who ever shows away from fault. Somanfuy who sucked as his job might be a little more careful with his words. Just an arrogant ass who was promoted one too many times
Coughlin reflected upon himself and admitted his faults and adapted and changed when situations didn't go right.
Never seen or heard anything remotely close from Reese, just wearing a t-shirt and jeans to Coughlin's retirement ffs.