There is only 1 ball. The issues on this offense all stemmed from the OL and some QB play, IMO. Fix the OL and we have plenty of weapons. OBJ is the best WR in football. Engram proved to be an explosive weapon and Shep is as solid as they come. Improving the line will improve the running game as well. I dont think Dez helps us enough to make it worth the circus, especially when we are trying to build more stability into the lockerroom.
I agree there is only 1 ball, but he's such a legit red zone threat, even in his current hobbled self, I think he's an upgrade over what Marshall was "supposed" to be here.
I know Beckham missed a lot of the season, but Roger Lewis had 72 targets last year.
If you can get Dez in the 100 range (no doubt a decline from his career averages) I think you have enough to spread the ball around between Beckham (150 targets), Dez (100), Engram (100), Shepard (120), RB's and others (130) something like that is around 600 attempts.
I think that works.
RE: Lets go on the assumption that OBJ does not get a new Â
we're close enough for him to make any kind of difference on a one year deal. If we were in a situation where his presence could potentially add to a SB run, then yeah. Right now.........I don't think it is worth the gamble.
While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
Those short and intermediate routes were 100% because of the awful offense that McAdoo ran. Let’s not pigeon hole Beckham into some kind of possession receiver just yet, lol. He is absolutely a guy can and has thrived by getting deep
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While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
Those short and intermediate routes were 100% because of the awful offense that McAdoo ran. Let’s not pigeon hole Beckham into some kind of possession receiver just yet, lol. He is absolutely a guy can and has thrived by getting deep
I started my comment by saying that there is no doubt that OBJ can get deep... So, I agree with no pigeonholing him...
And it may be that the short and intermediate stuff is what was readily available to him under McAdoo... But he does it so damn well!!!
And getting the ball in his hands, in space, often should be a priority. The shorter and intermediate stuff are higher percentage throws. Getting the ball on higher percentage throws and letting him perform magic after strikes me, FWIW, as a more efficient attack than often trying to hit him deep on low percentage throws. Save the deep ball for a fast but less dynamic player.
While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
Those short and intermediate routes were 100% because of the awful offense that McAdoo ran. Let’s not pigeon hole Beckham into some kind of possession receiver just yet, lol. He is absolutely a guy can and has thrived by getting deep
I started my comment by saying that there is no doubt that OBJ can get deep... So, I agree with no pigeonholing him...
And it may be that the short and intermediate stuff is what was readily available to him under McAdoo... But he does it so damn well!!!
And getting the ball in his hands, in space, often should be a priority. The shorter and intermediate stuff are higher percentage throws. Getting the ball on higher percentage throws and letting him perform magic after strikes me, FWIW, as a more efficient attack than often trying to hit him deep on low percentage throws. Save the deep ball for a fast but less dynamic player.
I agree he does it very well and it should remain a big part of his game. The problem is he takes an absolute beating running them routes. They MUST get back to getting him downfield more.
While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
Those short and intermediate routes were 100% because of the awful offense that McAdoo ran. Let’s not pigeon hole Beckham into some kind of possession receiver just yet, lol. He is absolutely a guy can and has thrived by getting deep
I started my comment by saying that there is no doubt that OBJ can get deep... So, I agree with no pigeonholing him...
And it may be that the short and intermediate stuff is what was readily available to him under McAdoo... But he does it so damn well!!!
And getting the ball in his hands, in space, often should be a priority. The shorter and intermediate stuff are higher percentage throws. Getting the ball on higher percentage throws and letting him perform magic after strikes me, FWIW, as a more efficient attack than often trying to hit him deep on low percentage throws. Save the deep ball for a fast but less dynamic player.
I agree he does it very well and it should remain a big part of his game. The problem is he takes an absolute beating running them routes. They MUST get back to getting him downfield more.
I must admit that the beating he sometimes takes worries me as well... Obviously the broken ankle, but there have been some other hits that made the heart go to the throat.
There is only 1 ball. The issues on this offense all stemmed from the OL and some QB play, IMO. Fix the OL and we have plenty of weapons. OBJ is the best WR in football. Engram proved to be an explosive weapon and Shep is as solid as they come. Improving the line will improve the running game as well. I dont think Dez helps us enough to make it worth the circus, especially when we are trying to build more stability into the lockerroom.
Does stating that there is only one ball suggest that too much talent is a bad thing?
If DG can fix the OL
Dez knows he will get paid he just needs to stay healthy and get TDs and improve his YPC which he can do with Odell / Eli / Barkley
I know Beckham missed a lot of the season, but Roger Lewis had 72 targets last year.
If you can get Dez in the 100 range (no doubt a decline from his career averages) I think you have enough to spread the ball around between Beckham (150 targets), Dez (100), Engram (100), Shepard (120), RB's and others (130) something like that is around 600 attempts.
I think that works.
Shep and especially... Gallman?
Serious?
I think Dez has lost a lot of steps so i'm weary here, but if there's cap space a one year deal wouldnt piss me off too much.
He turned down a multiyear offer from the Ravens. Who knows for how much though.
Similar to what Cruz got in Chicago.
You could cut him in camp.
And while I understand the revulsion, you have to get beyond that and make a purely football decision
While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
who represents a real threat to catch the deep ball
While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
Those short and intermediate routes were 100% because of the awful offense that McAdoo ran. Let’s not pigeon hole Beckham into some kind of possession receiver just yet, lol. He is absolutely a guy can and has thrived by getting deep
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While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
Those short and intermediate routes were 100% because of the awful offense that McAdoo ran. Let’s not pigeon hole Beckham into some kind of possession receiver just yet, lol. He is absolutely a guy can and has thrived by getting deep
I started my comment by saying that there is no doubt that OBJ can get deep... So, I agree with no pigeonholing him...
And it may be that the short and intermediate stuff is what was readily available to him under McAdoo... But he does it so damn well!!!
And getting the ball in his hands, in space, often should be a priority. The shorter and intermediate stuff are higher percentage throws. Getting the ball on higher percentage throws and letting him perform magic after strikes me, FWIW, as a more efficient attack than often trying to hit him deep on low percentage throws. Save the deep ball for a fast but less dynamic player.
So you have to take some deep shots with OBJ.
The point is I think a burner is a better compliment than another possession guy. We have those.
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At the #2 WR.
While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
Those short and intermediate routes were 100% because of the awful offense that McAdoo ran. Let’s not pigeon hole Beckham into some kind of possession receiver just yet, lol. He is absolutely a guy can and has thrived by getting deep
I started my comment by saying that there is no doubt that OBJ can get deep... So, I agree with no pigeonholing him...
And it may be that the short and intermediate stuff is what was readily available to him under McAdoo... But he does it so damn well!!!
And getting the ball in his hands, in space, often should be a priority. The shorter and intermediate stuff are higher percentage throws. Getting the ball on higher percentage throws and letting him perform magic after strikes me, FWIW, as a more efficient attack than often trying to hit him deep on low percentage throws. Save the deep ball for a fast but less dynamic player.
I agree he does it very well and it should remain a big part of his game. The problem is he takes an absolute beating running them routes. They MUST get back to getting him downfield more.
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In comment 13931309 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13931298 .McL. said:
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At the #2 WR.
While there is no doubt that Beckham can get deep, he seems to do most of his damage in the short and intermediate game with Precision and timing to get big YAC.
Shepherd and Engram make their living in that same range, short to intermediate.
IMHO, to maximize what the top 3 guys can do, a burner who represents a real threat to catch the ball, a threat that must be respected by the safeties, would be more valuable.
Of course this presumes that you have a QB that is upright... Not sure we can have any confidence in that right now.
Those short and intermediate routes were 100% because of the awful offense that McAdoo ran. Let’s not pigeon hole Beckham into some kind of possession receiver just yet, lol. He is absolutely a guy can and has thrived by getting deep
I started my comment by saying that there is no doubt that OBJ can get deep... So, I agree with no pigeonholing him...
And it may be that the short and intermediate stuff is what was readily available to him under McAdoo... But he does it so damn well!!!
And getting the ball in his hands, in space, often should be a priority. The shorter and intermediate stuff are higher percentage throws. Getting the ball on higher percentage throws and letting him perform magic after strikes me, FWIW, as a more efficient attack than often trying to hit him deep on low percentage throws. Save the deep ball for a fast but less dynamic player.
I agree he does it very well and it should remain a big part of his game. The problem is he takes an absolute beating running them routes. They MUST get back to getting him downfield more.
I must admit that the beating he sometimes takes worries me as well... Obviously the broken ankle, but there have been some other hits that made the heart go to the throat.
He looked like shit last year. He's another guy who has lost a step or 3.
We need to get younger here. A slow vet with a laundry list of injuries isn't going to help us. Nor is a loudmouth like Dez Bryant.
Draft an outside WR this weekend.
Washington would be my guess.
Too soon.
And not even close bud
Does stating that there is only one ball suggest that too much talent is a bad thing?