According to Artz, the problem isn't the concussions
or his attitude; it's the dangerous combination of the two. Interesting take - probably not an entirely original one, but I hadn't seen it formulated quite this way before.
Slate.com: The Most Dangerous Brain in the NFL - (
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It's very fair actually.
Also- Yikes to this comment from the kid:
“For something to be the most important thing in your life, it has to be able to last a lifetime,” he said. “Football ends at some point.” - Josh Rosen
What was wrong with that?
...the New York Giants select QB out of UCLA, Josh Rosen.
Josh Rosen.
Guess you didn’t hear his interview on FAN yesterday.
His initial comment, calling out the reporters for asking "gotcha" questions, was a little testy, though he was probably right about their intent. That kind of candor is what you get with Rosen. We're used to bland amiability from Eli. This kid is cut from different cloth. I'm not sure it will matter much if Rosen plays up to expectations. Michael Strahan spent his last ten years in blue on the verge of punching a reporter, and he got away with it because he was ridiculously good. Will Rosen be able to handle the heat when things go south? No idea.
Agree.
Until yesterday, @JayGlazer told @ColeWrightNFL, GMs believed Jets had zeroed in on Baker Mayfield. Now most GMs suspect it could be Josh Rosen at No. 3.
4:06pm · 25 Apr 2018
I feel the same way. With Barkley too.
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the Rosen hate makes me want him now, haha. So many stupid fucking opinions on him.
Agree.
ditto...
agreed. That is the only reason I posted it. If things don't go his way he comes across kinda douchey...like I don't have to talk to you. Regardless whether you like the media or not. They will be there after every game.
What happens if he misses a couple games with a concussion and the media wonder when he will be cleared. I don't think that would end well for him here...
Agreed. I'd prefer the Giants not take Rosen because of his concussion history, but am fine if they do. He is the best pure passer I have seen in years. This is just another example of the nitpicking ridiculousness that all the top prospects endure every year.
Now Big Ben has matured, but he was a bit of of a loose cannon too... and there of course those unsavory allegations.
Love or hate Eli, his personality was perfect for New York.
But if he's trying to calm people down about his personality, that interview didn't help him.
Look, reporters can be dicks. And he's got to be able to handle that.
Now Big Ben has matured, but he was a bit of of a loose cannon too... and there of course those unsavory allegations.
Love or hate Eli, his personality was perfect for New York.
I was in school in PA at the time and they did some major cover ups to not let that explode. Ben wasn't considered a good dude at all and I don't think he would have survived NY.
That is why Darnold just seems like the only choice to consider at QB...he fits the Eli mode in terms of trusting him to be a franchise leader. If Darnold is off the board I believe its either Barkley/Chubb or trade down. I don't think they would consider any other QB.
The article is fascinating, especially the point made by Ross Tucker. The kid is going to be guaranteed 24 million dollars or so. What if he gets two concussions and decides it's not worth it anymore? Is the team going to call him out on it and come out looking like the big bully trying to force the kid to play with a concussion history or withhold his money? Imagine that dumb controversy. The Giants don't need that.
Rosen to me is the perfect Jet. Let him bristle with the reporters and quit when the team sucks so that Jet land can continue spinning. We're above that noise. We need a reliable stud QB to move us into the next chapter of championship Giant football.
I’d expect an actual criminal to give off these vibes.
The article is fascinating, especially the point made by Ross Tucker. The kid is going to be guaranteed 24 million dollars or so. What if he gets two concussions and decides it's not worth it anymore? Is the team going to call him out on it and come out looking like the big bully trying to force the kid to play with a concussion history or withhold his money? Imagine that dumb controversy. The Giants don't need that.
Rosen to me is the perfect Jet. Let him bristle with the reporters and quit when the team sucks so that Jet land can continue spinning. We're above that noise. We need a reliable stud QB to move us into the next chapter of championship Giant football.
How is this different then anybody else? Barkley, Chubb, Darnold, Rosen will all get the same money. What happens if they get 2 concussions and wanna retire? What a horrible hypothetical.
The article is fascinating, especially the point made by Ross Tucker. The kid is going to be guaranteed 24 million dollars or so. What if he gets two concussions and decides it's not worth it anymore? Is the team going to call him out on it and come out looking like the big bully trying to force the kid to play with a concussion history or withhold his money? Imagine that dumb controversy. The Giants don't need that.
Rosen to me is the perfect Jet. Let him bristle with the reporters and quit when the team sucks so that Jet land can continue spinning. We're above that noise. We need a reliable stud QB to move us into the next chapter of championship Giant football.
What if Mayfield gets two more concussions?
What if Darnold continues to throw the ball to the wrong team?
I’d expect an actual criminal to give off these vibes.
its actually very important. We are fans...but the Giants run a business. Anything that can potentially effect the giants business negatively has to be considered.
You don't think someone will ask him about the Trump hat if he gets drafted here. Like do you plan on playing golf at the Trump Golf course. What if he says no way I hate that guy...regardless of your political beliefs I don't think the giants want to risk alienating some of there fan base.
Obviously talent trumps all, but when you factor in the injuries and the off the field stuff he doesn't seem like a prospect the giants would be willing to take a risk on...
I’d expect an actual criminal to give off these vibes.
We're not going to get another Eli. But aside from the concussions, the knock on Rosen is his personality. You probably feel differently, but Rosen came off as an impatient dick in that video (at a time when he knows he has to be on his best behavior). Deal breaker? Of course not. But he just played right into the criticism.
All the red flags can be garbage and all 4 have great careers but you can't deny that they are there.
At least these teams are going in eyes wide open.
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Or just click on the twitter exchange with Vacchiano?
The article is fascinating, especially the point made by Ross Tucker. The kid is going to be guaranteed 24 million dollars or so. What if he gets two concussions and decides it's not worth it anymore? Is the team going to call him out on it and come out looking like the big bully trying to force the kid to play with a concussion history or withhold his money? Imagine that dumb controversy. The Giants don't need that.
Rosen to me is the perfect Jet. Let him bristle with the reporters and quit when the team sucks so that Jet land can continue spinning. We're above that noise. We need a reliable stud QB to move us into the next chapter of championship Giant football.
How is this different then anybody else? Barkley, Chubb, Darnold, Rosen will all get the same money. What happens if they get 2 concussions and wanna retire? What a horrible hypothetical.
Having documented concussions and predicting concussions are two totally different things, aren't they?
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we have our priorities out of whack. We likely aren’t getting another Eli in that regard but making it seem like Rosen will be the polar opposite and not a professional as just a massive leap in logic.
I’d expect an actual criminal to give off these vibes.
its actually very important. We are fans...but the Giants run a business. Anything that can potentially effect the giants business negatively has to be considered.
You don't think someone will ask him about the Trump hat if he gets drafted here. Like do you plan on playing golf at the Trump Golf course. What if he says no way I hate that guy...regardless of your political beliefs I don't think the giants want to risk alienating some of there fan base.
Obviously talent trumps all, but when you factor in the injuries and the off the field stuff he doesn't seem like a prospect the giants would be willing to take a risk on...
I don’t question that. I question anyone who makes this immediate jump to Rosen now talking shit about any and everything. It’s weird.
I think most of this is media narrative at this point. He needs to understand that people knowing his point of view, is less important than being a stable leader that doesn't give out soundbites.
He's advocating for himself though, which I get. I'm a Rosen fan, and feel if he can stay healthy he will have a few pro bowls in his future.
If he wins, yes. Fans can put up with a lot of nonsense if someone wins.
Also you are assuming that someone who grew up in the 1950s would have the same set of beliefs as someone who grew up in the 2000s.
But if he's trying to calm people down about his personality, that interview didn't help him.
Look, reporters can be dicks. And he's got to be able to handle that.
I agree. I'm a fan of Rosen as a player and I discount all of the character issues about his love for football. But if he came across the way he did in that interview in his interviews with the Giants staff, that could have really hurt his chances.
Eli came off a bit of a whiner when he was young and he has definitely matured over the years and learned how to deal with the media. I will admit that, although the kid was right and I can't blame him for having that kind of reaction, it's not a good look for someone who you want to be a steadying force on your team.
As to differences between their attitudes, I would expect generational differences as well as of the huge difference in family circumstances.
What would Pat Leonard, Ralph Vacchiano, Paul Schwartz, Jordan Raanan, etc. write about Namath if Namath played now, coming off a loss and admitting he was out all night drinking and screwing the night before?
You think boat-gate was bad?
You don't think someone will ask him about the Trump hat if he gets drafted here. Like do you plan on playing golf at the Trump Golf course. What if he says no way I hate that guy...regardless of your political beliefs I don't think the giants want to risk alienating some of their fan base.