...I'm fairly new here and I'm prepared to be labled an Asshat, BUT with that said, I'm very close friends with people that work Terrence Pegula, and if the Browns end up taking Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield, the Bills are prepared to offer Big Blue both 1st rounders, next years 1st rounder and an additional undisclosed pick so they can pick Darnold. Giants are sitting tight hoping for this to come to pass. Let me know what you guys think! Just passing on what I've heard close to the source.
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I do believe the Giants are going to use the full time they are allotted for #2, and the phones are going to be running hot in Giants Central!
#12 - S Derwin James (90)
#13 - EDGE Marcus Davenport (82)
#14 - CB Jaire Alexander (82)
#15 - DT Da'Ron Payne (86)
#16 - EDGE Harold Landry (81)
#17 - DT Vita Vea (87)
#18 - OT Connor Williams (81)
#19 - WR Calvin Ridley (80)
#20 - OG Isaiah Wynn (81)
#21 - OT Mike McGlinchey (81)
#22 - QB Lamar Jackson (78)
#23 - EDGE Arden Key (75)
#24 - S Justin Reid (76)
#25 - WR Courtland Sutton (81)
#26 - OLB Leighton Vander Esch (78)
#27 - CB Mike Hughes (85)
Now I know the BBI Mock Draft is not law, and that Sy is not the end all be all on college scouting. But I think this is an effective exercise to demonstrate the level of talent that will be available in the first round.
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What your saying in this pick is your getting 2 starters for 1 elite player and then an undiscloser pick next year.
3 1's is the starting framework for a trade. I think it would take 3 1's, a 2 and a 3.
5 for 1 might do it.
He said, "both 1st rounders, next years 1st rounder and an additional undisclosed pick" That's 3 1st round picks, in total
Understood. It's not enough. It's the start of it. You need 3 starters this year off a deal like this.
If you said 12,22, 53, 65, and next year's 1 , I'd do that. You have 65,66 and 69 and you can package one of those.
Buffalo doesn't have the #4 pick
12, 22, next years 1st is 3. There would be 3 other picks which I would guess would be a second and 3rd this year and probably a 3rd in 2020.
I'd take 4 , and a second round pick and next year's 1. to go from 2 to 4.
Buffalo would have to give up 12, 22 and a second to get from 12 to 4.
Asshat has made it into the common vernacular now!!
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But not for the HOF Barkley? I wonder why?
Because everyone has their own unique situation. Let them reach for poaitional need while the top graded prospect falls right into our lap
Agreed. I don't think it's enough either, but Cleveland taking Darnold makes it moot anyway.
The problem is that the Bills are unlikely to move to a slot until they know who is available. I don't think that's a realistic expectation unless it's a weird 3 way deal. I'm also not sure a small trade down will be there if the Broncos posturing about not being set on QB is true.
If I'm the Giants, I try like hell to move back to 4 or 5, but if that's not available, I pull the trigger with the Bills if the value is there. There are rumors that the Broncos, Colts and Bears are looking to move down. The Giants can jump back up and I don't think they'll have much of a problem doing so. Even in the unlikely event that they can't, players drop all the time and the Giants may even have a couple of players (like one of the corners or Vea) ranked as a blue chip talent.
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In comment 13931507 Rflairr said:
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But not for the HOF Barkley? I wonder why?
Because everyone has their own unique situation. Let them reach for poaitional need while the top graded prospect falls right into our lap
Yes but literally NOBODY is trying to trade up for Barkley. At least we havent heard rumors of it. Rflairr's point is a great one. As much as I love Barkley.
I am really confused about this pick and who I want them to take. The trade down with Buffalo netting us Vea or McGlinchey, a baby eating G like Hernandez or Wynn or a piece for the secondary AS WELL AS a likely high 1st next year is very tempting.
Whats happened to you?
The only two players I see us drafting 2nd overall are Darnold or Barkley. And I think CLE is taking Darnold.
I just don't like moving down 10 spots. I think you take yourself out of the running for pretty much all of the top-end talent in this draft by doing that.
Sure, players drop all the time - things happen. But I don't know if I want to take that risk or bank on BUF being a bad team next season because that certainly isn't a given. Especially if they hit on the QB they take and he helps them in year one.
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If BUF can get up to 4 first, and then their trade includes that pick, I'd be much, much more interested.
The problem is that the Bills are unlikely to move to a slot until they know who is available. I don't think that's a realistic expectation unless it's a weird 3 way deal. I'm also not sure a small trade down will be there if the Broncos posturing about not being set on QB is true.
If I'm the Giants, I try like hell to move back to 4 or 5, but if that's not available, I pull the trigger with the Bills if the value is there. There are rumors that the Broncos, Colts and Bears are looking to move down. The Giants can jump back up and I don't think they'll have much of a problem doing so. Even in the unlikely event that they can't, players drop all the time and the Giants may even have a couple of players (like one of the corners or Vea) ranked as a blue chip talent.
What does Denver have to do with Buffalo getting to 4? Their interest or non interest in a QB is a moot point if Buffalo is ahead of them.
If Buffalo gets to 4, they'd have every reason to want to get to 2 IMO. They'd know which QB's are left after the Browns pick and jump in front of the Division rival Jets.
In a sense them getting to 4 would be a three way deal but they'd still get a QB at 4 if they couldn't swing a deal with the Giants for the 2. Just most likely not the QB they'd want most.
But,I can't do that if you're gonna keep spreading rumors.So please,take my football dreams into consideration.
Is that really true, though? How do we know where the line is between blue chip and red chip? Given that we've all been in the dark as to who the first few picks are going to be, I think it's a fair question.
None of these guys stands out as the obvious guy. Going back a year or so it was supposed to be Darnold, but he's not in the Elway/Peyton class as a prospect.
Through this "draft season" I've been tracking the opinions of the following four guys: Sy'56, Dave Te Thomas, Mike Lombardi, and Greg Cosell. Whatever you think about any of the four, their opinions vary pretty widely on a lot of the prospects.
I think it's tough to have a conviction in this draft, and as such I think having more draft picks is a good thing.
In terms of the Bills trying to jump twice - they're not making that deal unless they are sure they are getting their guy. This means that a 3 way deal would have to be worked out prior (which is rare) or they are comfortable that they'll be able to get their guy at 4 and would have no incentive to move up again. They're not taking a leap of faith there. Especially since nobody knows what the Browns are doing at 1 yet. More likely, they try to deal when the Giants are on the clock and then try again when the Browns are.
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But not for the HOF Barkley? I wonder why?
Because everyone has their own unique situation. Let them reach for poaitional need while the top graded prospect falls right into our lap
Yes but literally NOBODY is trying to trade up for Barkley. At least we havent heard rumors of it. Rflairr's point is a great one. As much as I love Barkley.
I am really confused about this pick and who I want them to take. The trade down with Buffalo netting us Vea or McGlinchey, a baby eating G like Hernandez or Wynn or a piece for the secondary AS WELL AS a likely high 1st next year is very tempting.
Barkley is a suckers play this high.
I would tell them we want your two 1st this year,2nd this year,3rd this year, 1st next year and 2nd next year.
That is the price they have to pay for their choice of a franchise QB.
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But not for the HOF Barkley? I wonder why?
Because everyone has their own unique situation. Let them reach for poaitional need while the top graded prospect falls right into our lap
Yes but literally NOBODY is trying to trade up for Barkley. At least we havent heard rumors of it. Rflairr's point is a great one. As much as I love Barkley.
I am really confused about this pick and who I want them to take. The trade down with Buffalo netting us Vea or McGlinchey, a baby eating G like Hernandez or Wynn or a piece for the secondary AS WELL AS a likely high 1st next year is very tempting.
Barkley is a suckers play this high.
What are you going to do when the draft is over and you can no longer whine about how against Barkley you are? Its the only thing you post about.
^This
You don't pass up the chance at a blue chipper.
Trading to 12 is asinine. I can't believe how many are supporting this.
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I just don't like moving down 10 spots. I think you take yourself out of the running for pretty much all of the top-end talent in this draft by doing that.
Is that really true, though? How do we know where the line is between blue chip and red chip? Given that we've all been in the dark as to who the first few picks are going to be, I think it's a fair question.
None of these guys stands out as the obvious guy. Going back a year or so it was supposed to be Darnold, but he's not in the Elway/Peyton class as a prospect.
Through this "draft season" I've been tracking the opinions of the following four guys: Sy'56, Dave Te Thomas, Mike Lombardi, and Greg Cosell. Whatever you think about any of the four, their opinions vary pretty widely on a lot of the prospects.
I think it's tough to have a conviction in this draft, and as such I think having more draft picks is a good thing.
Fair points - I haven't followed all four of those guys as closely, but I would have to assume most of these guys are in their top 10-15....
Darnold
Rosen
Mayfield
Barkley
Allen
Chubb
Nelson
Fitzpatrick
Ro. Smith
James
I'm sure there's variance - I know Mayock has Rosen way lower (20-something) and Lombardi has Jackson rated higher than most (if not all) of the above QB's.
To me, the sweet spot is moving down, but perhaps not quite as far as 12. Obviously you can't just pick your spot - someone has to offer it.
Denver being less hot on QB could make it harder since they're a team I thought could have been a decent partner.
An ideal trade for me is the one I mentioned earlier - where the crux of it is CLE swapping 2/4 with us and then giving us both of those 2nd round picks. Having 4 overall and then the first 3 picks in the 2nd round would be ideal.
Maybe I'm more nervous about compiling picks because of how often Reese/Ross missed - which isn't really fair to Gettleman.
I'm not totally against a trade down at all - moving down to 12 is just a little bit of a harder sell for me.
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Dropping back to 12 is too far to fall. At 12, all the blue chippers should be off the board. Plus you have to consider that there is a good chance the Bills 1st rounder next year will probably be somewhere in the 20's, which is good but not great.
^This
You don't pass up the chance at a blue chipper.
Trading to 12 is asinine. I can't believe how many are supporting this.
You're not married to 12, you can trade again. You have the ammo to do whatever you want at that point.
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I just don't like moving down 10 spots. I think you take yourself out of the running for pretty much all of the top-end talent in this draft by doing that.
Is that really true, though? How do we know where the line is between blue chip and red chip? Given that we've all been in the dark as to who the first few picks are going to be, I think it's a fair question.
None of these guys stands out as the obvious guy. Going back a year or so it was supposed to be Darnold, but he's not in the Elway/Peyton class as a prospect.
Through this "draft season" I've been tracking the opinions of the following four guys: Sy'56, Dave Te Thomas, Mike Lombardi, and Greg Cosell. Whatever you think about any of the four, their opinions vary pretty widely on a lot of the prospects.
I think it's tough to have a conviction in this draft, and as such I think having more draft picks is a good thing.
Fair points - I haven't followed all four of those guys as closely, but I would have to assume most of these guys are in their top 10-15....
Darnold
Rosen
Mayfield
Barkley
Allen
Chubb
Nelson
Fitzpatrick
Ro. Smith
James
I'm sure there's variance - I know Mayock has Rosen way lower (20-something) and Lombardi has Jackson rated higher than most (if not all) of the above QB's.
To me, the sweet spot is moving down, but perhaps not quite as far as 12. Obviously you can't just pick your spot - someone has to offer it.
Denver being less hot on QB could make it harder since they're a team I thought could have been a decent partner.
An ideal trade for me is the one I mentioned earlier - where the crux of it is CLE swapping 2/4 with us and then giving us both of those 2nd round picks. Having 4 overall and then the first 3 picks in the 2nd round would be ideal.
Maybe I'm more nervous about compiling picks because of how often Reese/Ross missed - which isn't really fair to Gettleman.
I'm not totally against a trade down at all - moving down to 12 is just a little bit of a harder sell for me.
Mayock is a damn fool. Rosen is the best qb in this draft and will go top - 5. I believe the first four picks will be qbs after Cleveland deals with Buffalo.
In terms of the Bills trying to jump twice - they're not making that deal unless they are sure they are getting their guy. This means that a 3 way deal would have to be worked out prior (which is rare) or they are comfortable that they'll be able to get their guy at 4 and would have no incentive to move up again. They're not taking a leap of faith there. Especially since nobody knows what the Browns are doing at 1 yet. More likely, they try to deal when the Giants are on the clock and then try again when the Browns are.
Ok but I still don't get what Denver has to do with it. If Buffalo gets to 4 they're ahead of Denver and if the Giants then trade back to 4 with Buffalo, they'd pick before Denver.
If the Giants traded back it's obviously because they don't want a QB, and would be in position to take the top non QB in the draft. Whether Denver wants a QB or not is irrelevant IMO.
As for when the trades are made, I'd imagine Buffalo would be in talks with Cleveland before the draft for the #4, and probably preliminary talks with the Giants as well. If they got to 4,They'd be in much better shape to get a QB there than they are at 12 right now. Then once at 4 if there's a guy they love available at 2, they do a deal with the Giants.
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I just don't like moving down 10 spots. I think you take yourself out of the running for pretty much all of the top-end talent in this draft by doing that.
Is that really true, though? How do we know where the line is between blue chip and red chip? Given that we've all been in the dark as to who the first few picks are going to be, I think it's a fair question.
None of these guys stands out as the obvious guy. Going back a year or so it was supposed to be Darnold, but he's not in the Elway/Peyton class as a prospect.
Through this "draft season" I've been tracking the opinions of the following four guys: Sy'56, Dave Te Thomas, Mike Lombardi, and Greg Cosell. Whatever you think about any of the four, their opinions vary pretty widely on a lot of the prospects.
I think it's tough to have a conviction in this draft, and as such I think having more draft picks is a good thing.
Fair points - I haven't followed all four of those guys as closely, but I would have to assume most of these guys are in their top 10-15....
Darnold
Rosen
Mayfield
Barkley
Allen
Chubb
Nelson
Fitzpatrick
Ro. Smith
James
I'm sure there's variance - I know Mayock has Rosen way lower (20-something) and Lombardi has Jackson rated higher than most (if not all) of the above QB's.
To me, the sweet spot is moving down, but perhaps not quite as far as 12. Obviously you can't just pick your spot - someone has to offer it.
Denver being less hot on QB could make it harder since they're a team I thought could have been a decent partner.
An ideal trade for me is the one I mentioned earlier - where the crux of it is CLE swapping 2/4 with us and then giving us both of those 2nd round picks. Having 4 overall and then the first 3 picks in the 2nd round would be ideal.
Maybe I'm more nervous about compiling picks because of how often Reese/Ross missed - which isn't really fair to Gettleman.
I'm not totally against a trade down at all - moving down to 12 is just a little bit of a harder sell for me.
Mayock is a damn fool. Rosen is the best qb in this draft and will go top - 5. I believe the first four picks will be qbs after Cleveland deals with Buffalo.
I completely disagree with where he has Rosen - I was just pointing out that there is obviously some notable variance amongst the pundits.
I think Rosen is the best QB in the draft. But I can't argue with those who are concerned about his injury history. It does exist and is a factor.
The mechanics are outstanding, though. Really smooth release and motion. He can make every throw and if you protect this guy, he's going to put up huge seasons.
At 12, I think all of these guys are going to be gone....
Josh Rosen
Sam Darnold
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Saquon Barkley
Bradley Chubb
Quenton Nelson
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Derwin James and Roquan Smith are probably gone by 12 too. Tremaine Edwards might not even be there.
I don't like the prospect of taking ourselves out of the running on all those guys.
I think you have to get one of those players in this draft.
The Cleveland rumor was one I liked way, way more- we swap 2 for 4 and their two second rounders. Sign me up for that.
4 overall and the first 3 picks in the 2nd round are picks you can significantly improve your roster with.
If the Giants aren't looking to draft a QB... Then my ideal situation would be to trade with Cleveland to move back to, like you suggested and then move back to 12. 12,22 and then essentially 4, 2nd round picks.
Ahh ok, no biggie. I was just trying to figure out where you were coming from and thought I was completely missing your point. No harm,no foul.
I do agree a double trade up by Buffalo is unlikely, but it is possible, and not too far fetched IMO. I can definitely see them trying to get to 4, and if they do, who knows? Their GM is tight with DG, and if the Giants don't want a QB at 2, I can see it happening. Not likely but maybe..........
At 12, I think all of these guys are going to be gone....
Josh Rosen
Sam Darnold
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Saquon Barkley
Bradley Chubb
Quenton Nelson
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Derwin James and Roquan Smith are probably gone by 12 too. Tremaine Edwards might not even be there.
I don't like the prospect of taking ourselves out of the running on all those guys.
I think you have to get one of those players in this draft.
The Cleveland rumor was one I liked way, way more- we swap 2 for 4 and their two second rounders. Sign me up for that.
4 overall and the first 3 picks in the 2nd round are picks you can significantly improve your roster with.
You get a good player at 12 and a good OL at 21 three good players in Round 2 including an RB.
Josh Rosen
Sam Darnold
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Saquon Barkley
Bradley Chubb
Quenton Nelson
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Derwin James
Roquan Smith
Vita Vea
Denzel Ward
Tremaine Edmunds
Marcus Davenport
Josh Jackson
At 21
Mike McGlinchey
Will Hernandez
Leighton Vander Esch
Isaha Wynn
Darious Guice
Trade down to 4 then trade down with the bills. The bills will give up both first rounders this year and there first rounder next year and probably a second round pick or more. They are desperate and will want to get ahead of denver.
It likely is going to suck. Prospects are poor.
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Dropping back to 12 is too far to fall. At 12, all the blue chippers should be off the board. Plus you have to consider that there is a good chance the Bills 1st rounder next year will probably be somewhere in the 20's, which is good but not great.
^This
You don't pass up the chance at a blue chipper.
Trading to 12 is asinine. I can't believe how many are supporting this.
You're not married to 12, you can trade again. You have the ammo to do whatever you want at that point.