Trade Rumor with the Buffalo Bills...

In comment 13931568 Go Terps said:

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Quote: I just don't like moving down 10 spots. I think you take yourself out of the running for pretty much all of the top-end talent in this draft by doing that. Is that really true, though? How do we know where the line is between blue chip and red chip? Given that we've all been in the dark as to who the first few picks are going to be, I think it's a fair question. None of these guys stands out as the obvious guy. Going back a year or so it was supposed to be Darnold, but he's not in the Elway/Peyton class as a prospect. Through this "draft season" I've been tracking the opinions of the following four guys: Sy'56, Dave Te Thomas, Mike Lombardi, and Greg Cosell. Whatever you think about any of the four, their opinions vary pretty widely on a lot of the prospects. I think it's tough to have a conviction in this draft, and as such I think having more draft picks is a good thing.

Fair points - I haven't followed all four of those guys as closely, but I would have to assume most of these guys are in their top 10-15....

Darnold
Rosen
Mayfield
Barkley
Allen
Chubb
Nelson
Fitzpatrick
Ro. Smith
James

I'm sure there's variance - I know Mayock has Rosen way lower (20-something) and Lombardi has Jackson rated higher than most (if not all) of the above QB's.

To me, the sweet spot is moving down, but perhaps not quite as far as 12. Obviously you can't just pick your spot - someone has to offer it.

Denver being less hot on QB could make it harder since they're a team I thought could have been a decent partner.

An ideal trade for me is the one I mentioned earlier - where the crux of it is CLE swapping 2/4 with us and then giving us both of those 2nd round picks. Having 4 overall and then the first 3 picks in the 2nd round would be ideal.

Maybe I'm more nervous about compiling picks because of how often Reese/Ross missed - which isn't really fair to Gettleman.

I'm not totally against a trade down at all - moving down to 12 is just a little bit of a harder sell for me.

In comment 13931579 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 13931522 Beer Man said: Quote: Dropping back to 12 is too far to fall. At 12, all the blue chippers should be off the board. Plus you have to consider that there is a good chance the Bills 1st rounder next year will probably be somewhere in the 20's, which is good but not great. ^This You don't pass up the chance at a blue chipper. Trading to 12 is asinine. I can't believe how many are supporting this.

You're not married to 12, you can trade again. You have the ammo to do whatever you want at that point.

In comment 13931585 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13931568 Go Terps said: Quote: Quote: I just don't like moving down 10 spots. I think you take yourself out of the running for pretty much all of the top-end talent in this draft by doing that. Is that really true, though? How do we know where the line is between blue chip and red chip? Given that we've all been in the dark as to who the first few picks are going to be, I think it's a fair question. None of these guys stands out as the obvious guy. Going back a year or so it was supposed to be Darnold, but he's not in the Elway/Peyton class as a prospect. Through this "draft season" I've been tracking the opinions of the following four guys: Sy'56, Dave Te Thomas, Mike Lombardi, and Greg Cosell. Whatever you think about any of the four, their opinions vary pretty widely on a lot of the prospects. I think it's tough to have a conviction in this draft, and as such I think having more draft picks is a good thing. Fair points - I haven't followed all four of those guys as closely, but I would have to assume most of these guys are in their top 10-15.... Darnold Rosen Mayfield Barkley Allen Chubb Nelson Fitzpatrick Ro. Smith James I'm sure there's variance - I know Mayock has Rosen way lower (20-something) and Lombardi has Jackson rated higher than most (if not all) of the above QB's. To me, the sweet spot is moving down, but perhaps not quite as far as 12. Obviously you can't just pick your spot - someone has to offer it. Denver being less hot on QB could make it harder since they're a team I thought could have been a decent partner. An ideal trade for me is the one I mentioned earlier - where the crux of it is CLE swapping 2/4 with us and then giving us both of those 2nd round picks. Having 4 overall and then the first 3 picks in the 2nd round would be ideal. Maybe I'm more nervous about compiling picks because of how often Reese/Ross missed - which isn't really fair to Gettleman. I'm not totally against a trade down at all - moving down to 12 is just a little bit of a harder sell for me.

Mayock is a damn fool. Rosen is the best qb in this draft and will go top - 5. I believe the first four picks will be qbs after Cleveland deals with Buffalo.

In comment 13931574 AcesUp said:

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I'm referring to the Giants ability to make a small move down when I mention Denver. In terms of the Bills trying to jump twice - they're not making that deal unless they are sure they are getting their guy. This means that a 3 way deal would have to be worked out prior (which is rare) or they are comfortable that they'll be able to get their guy at 4 and would have no incentive to move up again. They're not taking a leap of faith there. Especially since nobody knows what the Browns are doing at 1 yet. More likely, they try to deal when the Giants are on the clock and then try again when the Browns are.

Ok but I still don't get what Denver has to do with it. If Buffalo gets to 4 they're ahead of Denver and if the Giants then trade back to 4 with Buffalo, they'd pick before Denver.

If the Giants traded back it's obviously because they don't want a QB, and would be in position to take the top non QB in the draft. Whether Denver wants a QB or not is irrelevant IMO.

As for when the trades are made, I'd imagine Buffalo would be in talks with Cleveland before the draft for the #4, and probably preliminary talks with the Giants as well. If they got to 4,They'd be in much better shape to get a QB there than they are at 12 right now. Then once at 4 if there's a guy they love available at 2, they do a deal with the Giants.

In comment 13931599 firedbytheboss said:

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In comment 13931585 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 13931568 Go Terps said: Quote: Quote: I just don't like moving down 10 spots. I think you take yourself out of the running for pretty much all of the top-end talent in this draft by doing that. Is that really true, though? How do we know where the line is between blue chip and red chip? Given that we've all been in the dark as to who the first few picks are going to be, I think it's a fair question. None of these guys stands out as the obvious guy. Going back a year or so it was supposed to be Darnold, but he's not in the Elway/Peyton class as a prospect. Through this "draft season" I've been tracking the opinions of the following four guys: Sy'56, Dave Te Thomas, Mike Lombardi, and Greg Cosell. Whatever you think about any of the four, their opinions vary pretty widely on a lot of the prospects. I think it's tough to have a conviction in this draft, and as such I think having more draft picks is a good thing. Fair points - I haven't followed all four of those guys as closely, but I would have to assume most of these guys are in their top 10-15.... Darnold Rosen Mayfield Barkley Allen Chubb Nelson Fitzpatrick Ro. Smith James I'm sure there's variance - I know Mayock has Rosen way lower (20-something) and Lombardi has Jackson rated higher than most (if not all) of the above QB's. To me, the sweet spot is moving down, but perhaps not quite as far as 12. Obviously you can't just pick your spot - someone has to offer it. Denver being less hot on QB could make it harder since they're a team I thought could have been a decent partner. An ideal trade for me is the one I mentioned earlier - where the crux of it is CLE swapping 2/4 with us and then giving us both of those 2nd round picks. Having 4 overall and then the first 3 picks in the 2nd round would be ideal. Maybe I'm more nervous about compiling picks because of how often Reese/Ross missed - which isn't really fair to Gettleman. I'm not totally against a trade down at all - moving down to 12 is just a little bit of a harder sell for me. Mayock is a damn fool. Rosen is the best qb in this draft and will go top - 5. I believe the first four picks will be qbs after Cleveland deals with Buffalo.

I completely disagree with where he has Rosen - I was just pointing out that there is obviously some notable variance amongst the pundits.

I think Rosen is the best QB in the draft. But I can't argue with those who are concerned about his injury history. It does exist and is a factor.

The mechanics are outstanding, though. Really smooth release and motion. He can make every throw and if you protect this guy, he's going to put up huge seasons.

Denver doesn't have anything to do with it. It's my fault as I muddled two points in my initial post. Just forget I mentioned them, my only point was that a double trade up from the Bills is unlikely.

In comment 13931477 arcarsenal said:

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I don't like the Bills trade - it moves us out of range to take the best prospects in this draft. At 12, I think all of these guys are going to be gone.... Josh Rosen Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield Josh Allen Saquon Barkley Bradley Chubb Quenton Nelson Minkah Fitzpatrick Derwin James and Roquan Smith are probably gone by 12 too. Tremaine Edwards might not even be there. I don't like the prospect of taking ourselves out of the running on all those guys. I think you have to get one of those players in this draft. The Cleveland rumor was one I liked way, way more- we swap 2 for 4 and their two second rounders. Sign me up for that. 4 overall and the first 3 picks in the 2nd round are picks you can significantly improve your roster with.

If the Giants aren't looking to draft a QB... Then my ideal situation would be to trade with Cleveland to move back to, like you suggested and then move back to 12. 12,22 and then essentially 4, 2nd round picks.

In comment 13931633 AcesUp said:

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Denver doesn't have anything to do with it. It's my fault as I muddled two points in my initial post. Just forget I mentioned them, my only point was that a double trade up from the Bills is unlikely.

Ahh ok, no biggie. I was just trying to figure out where you were coming from and thought I was completely missing your point. No harm,no foul.

I do agree a double trade up by Buffalo is unlikely, but it is possible, and not too far fetched IMO. I can definitely see them trying to get to 4, and if they do, who knows? Their GM is tight with DG, and if the Giants don't want a QB at 2, I can see it happening. Not likely but maybe..........

In comment 13931477 arcarsenal said:

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I don't like the Bills trade - it moves us out of range to take the best prospects in this draft. At 12, I think all of these guys are going to be gone.... Josh Rosen Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield Josh Allen Saquon Barkley Bradley Chubb Quenton Nelson Minkah Fitzpatrick Derwin James and Roquan Smith are probably gone by 12 too. Tremaine Edwards might not even be there. I don't like the prospect of taking ourselves out of the running on all those guys. I think you have to get one of those players in this draft. The Cleveland rumor was one I liked way, way more- we swap 2 for 4 and their two second rounders. Sign me up for that. 4 overall and the first 3 picks in the 2nd round are picks you can significantly improve your roster with.

You get a good player at 12 and a good OL at 21 three good players in Round 2 including an RB.

Josh Rosen
Sam Darnold
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Saquon Barkley
Bradley Chubb
Quenton Nelson
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Derwin James
Roquan Smith
Vita Vea
Denzel Ward
Tremaine Edmunds
Marcus Davenport
Josh Jackson

At 21
Mike McGlinchey
Will Hernandez
Leighton Vander Esch
Isaha Wynn
Darious Guice

There was a tweet psted on here. Cleveland offered both of there second round picks to go from 4 to 2 to get Barkley. That would give the giants the first 3 picks in the second round.

Trade down to 4 then trade down with the bills. The bills will give up both first rounders this year and there first rounder next year and probably a second round pick or more. They are desperate and will want to get ahead of denver.

LMAO or just an ass

In comment 13931531 BestFeature said:

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I don't trust Buffalo to be decent again. They'll probably have a high pick next year too and will be able to draft a QB then. Though I don't know what people think of that draft when it comes to QBs.

It likely is going to suck. Prospects are poor.

we must get a 1st next year in return, so we have the oppotunity/amo to get to the top of the draft next year if needed.

In comment 13931598 AcesUp said:

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In comment 13931579 LakeGeorgeGiant said: Quote: In comment 13931522 Beer Man said: Quote: Dropping back to 12 is too far to fall. At 12, all the blue chippers should be off the board. Plus you have to consider that there is a good chance the Bills 1st rounder next year will probably be somewhere in the 20's, which is good but not great. ^This You don't pass up the chance at a blue chipper. Trading to 12 is asinine. I can't believe how many are supporting this. You're not married to 12, you can trade again. You have the ammo to do whatever you want at that point.

I believe that would fall under the DG definition of getting too cute.