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MickeyRibs : 4/25/2018 8:12 pm
Long story short, I work with someone who is friends with Saquon Barkley. Apparently when the subject was brought up to him a few days ago he said he thinks he's going to be drafted by the Bucs tomorrow. Of course, for all we know that means that the Bucs are the one team that said to him "If you're available we're definitely taking you." Or maybe he thinks the Giants are going QB or Chubb. Who knows for sure, but I just figured I'd throw it out there. Thankfully this is over in about 23 hours.
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Joey  
Go Terps : 4/25/2018 11:38 pm : link
"I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit."

This reasoning is pretty troubling. We can't try to get better in that area? And what about the possibility of Vernon being a cap casualty next year?

No knock on you or your source. I appreciate the info, but I hope it's wrong.
FMiC...  
bw in dc : 4/25/2018 11:43 pm : link
Well, free agency and the draft are separate evaluations.

I agree that Jints Central has done some good things in the FA window. And I've commented on those as they've happened.
Liked the add of Ogletree, the trading of JPP, and not signing any of our own olinemen.

I'll be first in the Eat Crow line if they go QB tomorrow at #2. That is the correct move. But Barkley is a mistake and his selection will be for so many wrong reasons...
Anyone who feels..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/25/2018 11:46 pm : link
they know without a doubt what the right move is tomorrow and that they can pass judgement tomorrow is an imbecile
RE: Joey  
Strahan91 : 4/25/2018 11:52 pm : link
In comment 13932300 Go Terps said:
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"I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit."

This reasoning is pretty troubling. We can't try to get better in that area? And what about the possibility of Vernon being a cap casualty next year?

No knock on you or your source. I appreciate the info, but I hope it's wrong.


With all do respect, I dont buy it. Gettlemen has repeatedly said that you can never have too many pass rushers. Not just recently here but when he was with the Panthers and he kept taking them with premium picks. If they dont take Chubb its because they had a higher grade on Barkley, not because of what they currently have there
RE: Last Year, Shurmur Got Dalvin Cook to Use  
santacruzom : 4/25/2018 11:55 pm : link
In comment 13932197 Giants34 said:
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In the 2nd Round.


Cook had character concerns that affected his draft stock. Barkley has character assets that affect his draft stock, but positively.
RE: Anyone who feels..  
mattyblue : 12:03 am : link
In comment 13932309 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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they know without a doubt what the right move is tomorrow and that they can pass judgement tomorrow is an imbecile


I think people can disagree with moves teams make. Its the point of the board. People discuss it, maybe argue a little. If you take it too far I agree.

I am always open to seeing the other side of an argument. I also agree with a lot of what people who look at things differently say. Jerry Reese was a God at first, know he is mocked. Its just discussion.
And yet..  
even after tomorrow, we won't know what we've come away with even though you'll have posters scream they know exactly what we have.

People who like Darnold think we drafted well if we pick him. Same for Rosen, Barkley, Chubb, etc. yet it will be sometime before we'll know for sure.

Confirmation bias to fit an agenda.
RE: RE: Joey  
In comment 13932316 Strahan91 said:
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Not just recently here but when he was with the Panthers and he kept taking them with premium picks.


He did? When?
RE: RE: I heard from my neighbor's sister's nanny's mother's cousin twice  
In comment 13932112 Joey in VA said:
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removed that Miss Lippy's car is green

You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.


Sorry you're both wrong. My car is silver
RE: if they go Barkley, then the giants will be saying  
In comment 13932263 micky said:
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that they're putting it all into winning one more for eli and not thinking of future at this time.

If QB, then they are thinking long term and putting together gradually a team that could be solid down the line.


I disagree completely. You can take the BPA and address QB in a year or 2 and add him to a solid team with a good OL,a good RB, and a solid defense. There is no rule that sqys you have to take a QB first and build from there. The Rams for exqmple took Gurley, then a year later made moves for a QB and boom, theyre winning.
QBs don't grow on trees.  
Goff was much less of a prospect than people wanted for a top QB. If you think this current class isn't good enough, next year's group is horrid right now. There's nobody with any established track record coming next year. You'd be picking from a group of far less accomplished players than this one.
Im not a QB guy  
so im fine with taking hat chance, i dont see Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning in this draft either just a crop of solid players. Youd have to blow me away to pass on BPA im in the crowd that wants a team full of talent, not a team overly reliant on one position, including QB. Some people disagree, and im good with that. Going to be a fun draft
RE: QBs don't grow on trees.  
santacruzom : 2:12 am : link
In comment 13932372 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Goff was much less of a prospect than people wanted for a top QB. If you think this current class isn't good enough, next year's group is horrid right now. There's nobody with any established track record coming next year. You'd be picking from a group of far less accomplished players than this one.


Anything can happen. This time last year, people predicted this year's QB class to pretty much be historic. But neither Rosen, Allen nor Darnold really lived up to expectations, and Mayfield actually far exceeded them.
the last 2 times  
there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck

You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong
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In comment 13932386 sharpshooter66 said:
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there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck

You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong


That should say "taken in rd 1"
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Amtoft : 2:26 am : link
In comment 13932386 sharpshooter66 said:
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there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck

You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong


On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs
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In comment 13932389 Amtoft said:
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there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck

You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong



On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs


Which further reinforces my point. Stay true to the board and dont get caught up reaching to fill specific positions
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Amtoft : 2:58 am : link
In comment 13932395 sharpshooter66 said:
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there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck

You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong



On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs



Which further reinforces my point. Stay true to the board and dont get caught up reaching to fill specific positions


And actually the last few drafts the top QBs have been great!
players taken last year  
really have no bearing on this years prospects. Take the top player on your board
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chopperhatch : 3:22 am : link
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.



Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward.

(Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window )



If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.


Jesus....The Boss is an Eagles fan. He is so obvious and you bit hook line and sinker. I live in Philly and there is absolutely NO chatter about them wanting us to take Barkley. In fact quite the opposite. Us getting a running game is the exact thing that brings us at least one win last year and maybe another the year before.

The_Boss is a fat, three toothed cheez whiz stinking piece of Philly trash who givees himself his own hair cuts and inhabits this board just to piss you off. Hahaha, you got got
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chopperhatch : 3:27 am : link
In comment 13932112 Joey in VA said:
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removed that Miss Lippy's car is green

You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.


Finally, somebody said it. I camt believe Anak is back and that people even missed him. On the Facebook site, all he did was talk shit on this place. Then when I called him out enough for dwelling on it, he blocked me liked the princess he is.

Hi Anak!!!! Looks like nothings changed since Dave called you Courtney Cox a while back! 🍭🍦🍬🐻🌸
RE: Anyone who feels..  
Brown Recluse : 5:29 am : link
In comment 13932309 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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they know without a doubt what the right move is tomorrow and that they can pass judgement tomorrow is an imbecile


This. And the board is full of them. Coming out of the woodwork.
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The_Boss : 6:53 am : link
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.



Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward.

(Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window )



If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.



Jesus....The Boss is an Eagles fan. He is so obvious and you bit hook line and sinker. I live in Philly and there is absolutely NO chatter about them wanting us to take Barkley. In fact quite the opposite. Us getting a running game is the exact thing that brings us at least one win last year and maybe another the year before.

The_Boss is a fat, three toothed cheez whiz stinking piece of Philly trash who givees himself his own hair cuts and inhabits this board just to piss you off. Hahaha, you got got


Wrong on multiple levels; especially the idea that Im an Eagle fan. To steal a concept from George Costanza: if you say lies enough maybe youll believe them.
RE: RE: I'm hearing  
JonC : 7:40 am : link
In comment 13932011 dep026 said:
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.



Are you hearing Darnold at 1 or speculating at 1? And if speculated, do Giants take Darnold there even with Barkley available?


I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.
Barkley makes a ton of sense  
bc4life : 7:56 am : link
Chubb will be a very good player - not sure he will be the difference maker that Barkley could be. And, with Odell and Engram - Giants are heading towards best skill position talent in league.

Brown trade still a possibility, I suppose.
RE: Anyone who feels..  
In comment 13932309 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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they know without a doubt what the right move is tomorrow and that they can pass judgement tomorrow is an imbecile


Totally agree. I can't wait for the reaction to whatever the Giants decide to do at 2. BBI's collective head will explode and it will be hilarious.
I don't think the Giants will move down  
JonC : 8:05 am : link
and risk him, unless the offer can't be refused. Then, presumably they'd pick Chubb if SB were gone.

Barkley at #2 is fiscally irresponsible  
Jimmy Googs : 8:15 am : link
With him J. Stewart on the roster, that's a ridiculous amount of cap space tied up in running backs.

ridiculous...
a 30 year old  
bc4life : 8:18 am : link
runnning back - seriously?
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Jon in NYC : 8:48 am : link
In comment 13932518 JonC said:
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.



Are you hearing Darnold at 1 or speculating at 1? And if speculated, do Giants take Darnold there even with Barkley available?



I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.


Presumably if the Browns surprise the Giants jump on Darnold?
again  
JonC : 8:56 am : link
no word on QBs.
RE: again  
dep026 : 8:58 am : link
In comment 13932703 JonC said:
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no word on QBs.


I wouldnt flip my lid over Barkley.

But if they pass on Darnold for Chubb, it would be another situation where Ill just shake my head at this franchise. Chubb may well be a great player...... but we need a QB next year.
RE: Continues to..  
In comment 13932294 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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be awesome hearing about the omnipresent "Jints Central" over and over as being incompetent even though this offseason has been the opposite of that.
Alright, I agree, that is getting annoying.
RE: RE: RE: I'm hearing  
Harvest Blend : 9:21 am : link
In comment 13932518 JonC said:
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I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.


Big, big mistake. Staying at 2 and taking anything other than QB is negligence, imo.
RE: And yet..  
In comment 13932338 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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even after tomorrow, we won't know what we've come away with even though you'll have posters scream they know exactly what we have.

People who like Darnold think we drafted well if we pick him. Same for Rosen, Barkley, Chubb, etc. yet it will be sometime before we'll know for sure.

Confirmation bias to fit an agenda.
Conventional wisdom says 3 years, but I think that is outdated. In today's NFL you need earlier contributions.
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JonC : 9:22 am : link
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I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.



Big, big mistake. Staying at 2 and taking anything other than QB is negligence, imo.


You've got to believe in the prospect, don't force the QB.

That said, I'm hoping the Browns deliver Darnold to us.
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Harvest Blend : 9:33 am : link
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I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.



Big, big mistake. Staying at 2 and taking anything other than QB is negligence, imo.



You've got to believe in the prospect, don't force the QB.

That said, I'm hoping the Browns deliver Darnold to us.


I don't believe in Barkley at all from a value standpoint at #2. Personally, if Cle takes Darnold at #1 I'm getting the hell out of #2 so long as they don't go further than #6. Then I take a QB, Nelson, Chubb or MAYBE then, Barkley.
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Anakim : 9:52 am : link
In comment 13932404 chopperhatch said:
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removed that Miss Lippy's car is green

You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.



Finally, somebody said it. I camt believe Anak is back and that people even missed him. On the Facebook site, all he did was talk shit on this place. Then when I called him out enough for dwelling on it, he blocked me liked the princess he is.

Hi Anak!!!! Looks like nothings changed since Dave called you Courtney Cox a while back! 🍭🍦🍬🐻🌸


When did I block you?
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Anakim : 9:54 am : link
In comment 13932112 Joey in VA said:
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removed that Miss Lippy's car is green

You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.



Oooh, testy much?

I see some things never change. Joey in VA will always be good for going apeshit over the most minute thing.
I'm confused as to why someone  
Keith : 10:12 am : link
would be ok with Barkley, but not with Chubb. A game changing DE is so much more valuable than a RB.

RE: I'm confused as to why someone  
Anakim : 10:14 am : link
In comment 13933016 Keith said:
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would be ok with Barkley, but not with Chubb. A game changing DE is so much more valuable than a RB.


Because Saquon is the better prospect, and also, because Chubb is a bit limited in scheme versatility given his limited athleticism. Yes, he played 3-4 OLB early in his NC State career, but I think his biggest impact will come as a 4-3 DE.
RE: I'm confused as to why someone  
dep026 : 10:14 am : link
In comment 13933016 Keith said:
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would be ok with Barkley, but not with Chubb. A game changing DE is so much more valuable than a RB.


Scheme fit is a big concern. Also the fact that everyone is saying he is a cant miss prospect. That always worries me for some reason.
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arcarsenal : 10:16 am : link
I think people worry about the fit with Chubb... not so much the player. Everything I've seen of him @ NC St. has been either LDE/RDE in a 4-3. I'm sure Bettcher will have 4 down linemen in several packages, but I tend to think we'll be closer to a 3-4.

I also think Bettcher is capable of maximizing his players so perhaps it's something that shouldn't give me pause. Chubb seems like he's good enough to adapt and make plays wherever you put him. But.. as we know, the Giants have drafted some poor edge rusher fits in the past. Albeit, much lesser prospects and a different regime.
Anak,  
Keith : 10:25 am : link
as opposed to Barkley who is being called a HOF, generational talent and is being compared to Marshall Faulk?

arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.
RE: Anak,  
arcarsenal : 10:35 am : link
In comment 13933072 Keith said:
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as opposed to Barkley who is being called a HOF, generational talent and is being compared to Marshall Faulk?

arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.


If he can, he can - I just didn't see it in college so we'd just be projecting.

I don't doubt it, though. He is fucking relentless.
Unless they trade up, that is HIGHLY unlikely.  
Matt M. : 10:37 am : link
He isn't lasting until 7.
RE: Anak,  
Anakim : 11:23 am : link
In comment 13933072 Keith said:
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as opposed to Barkley who is being called a HOF, generational talent and is being compared to Marshall Faulk?

arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.


What do you mean? I think Barkley is as close to a perfect prospect as I've ever seen. He checks off every single box.

Chubb is awesome, but he has limited athleticism. That's the difference. He's not a physical marvel like Clowney and Garrett were/are (or like Marcus Davenport is this year). He was more productive than them, but he's not a transcendent, once-in-a-lifetime specimen. I think Chubb is going to be a great pro and will be a perennial 8-12 sack guy as a 4-3 DE. The issue is that while he has indeed played 3-4 OLB early on in his NC State career, his talent would be better maximized if he was a base-end in a 4-3.


Now, if Bettcher disagrees and can utilize Chubb to the best of his ability, I'm all for it.
RE: RE: Anak,  
Milton : 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13933319 Anakim said:
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I think Barkley is as close to a perfect prospect as I've ever seen. He checks off every single box.
This is just not true. He is an excellent prospect, no doubt, but his decision-making is questionable at times (not taking what is there and instead making matters worse). It's an area where he can improve with experience and coaching, but that requires a projection (maybe he will, maybe he won't).
Matt Waldman film room - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: Anak,  
Thegratefulhead : 4/27/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13934485 Milton said:
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I think Barkley is as close to a perfect prospect as I've ever seen. He checks off every single box.

This is just not true. He is an excellent prospect, no doubt, but his decision-making is questionable at times (not taking what is there and instead making matters worse). It's an area where he can improve with experience and coaching, but that requires a projection (maybe he will, maybe he won't). Matt Waldman film room - ( New Window )
I wanted the Giants to draft Rosen but SB is a cleaner and better prospect. No one is "perfect" A running Back with SB's speed and moves will lose yards once in while. They offset that by going 80 yards for a TD. Running backs that can take it to the house break a defense's back. We will have to watch Rosen be great in AZ. At least he did not go to the Jets. SB will be fun to watch and root for.
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Milton : 4/27/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13939498 Thegratefulhead said:
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I wanted the Giants to draft Rosen but SB is a cleaner and better prospect. No one is "perfect" A running Back with SB's speed and moves will lose yards once in while. They offset that by going 80 yards for a TD. Running backs that can take it to the house break a defense's back. We will have to watch Rosen be great in AZ. At least he did not go to the Jets. SB will be fun to watch and root for.
Agreed. I'm onboard with the pick and looking forward to him having an exciting career with Big Blue. I preferred Rosen, but such is life, time to move on. Same thing last year when I preferred Cam Robinson to Engram. Two different ways to improve the team, the GM just chose a different path than I would've.
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