Long story short, I work with someone who is friends with Saquon Barkley. Apparently when the subject was brought up to him a few days ago he said he thinks he's going to be drafted by the Bucs tomorrow. Of course, for all we know that means that the Bucs are the one team that said to him "If you're available we're definitely taking you." Or maybe he thinks the Giants are going QB or Chubb. Who knows for sure, but I just figured I'd throw it out there. Thankfully this is over in about 23 hours.
This reasoning is pretty troubling. We can't try to get better in that area? And what about the possibility of Vernon being a cap casualty next year?
No knock on you or your source. I appreciate the info, but I hope it's wrong.
I agree that Jints Central has done some good things in the FA window. And I've commented on those as they've happened.
Liked the add of Ogletree, the trading of JPP, and not signing any of our own olinemen.
I'll be first in the Eat Crow line if they go QB tomorrow at #2. That is the correct move. But Barkley is a mistake and his selection will be for so many wrong reasons...
This reasoning is pretty troubling. We can't try to get better in that area? And what about the possibility of Vernon being a cap casualty next year?
No knock on you or your source. I appreciate the info, but I hope it's wrong.
With all do respect, I dont buy it. Gettlemen has repeatedly said that you can never have too many pass rushers. Not just recently here but when he was with the Panthers and he kept taking them with premium picks. If they dont take Chubb its because they had a higher grade on Barkley, not because of what they currently have there
Cook had character concerns that affected his draft stock. Barkley has character assets that affect his draft stock, but positively.
I think people can disagree with moves teams make. Its the point of the board. People discuss it, maybe argue a little. If you take it too far I agree.
I am always open to seeing the other side of an argument. I also agree with a lot of what people who look at things differently say. Jerry Reese was a God at first, know he is mocked. Its just discussion.
People who like Darnold think we drafted well if we pick him. Same for Rosen, Barkley, Chubb, etc. yet it will be sometime before we'll know for sure.
Confirmation bias to fit an agenda.
He did? When?
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You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.
Sorry you're both wrong. My car is silver
If QB, then they are thinking long term and putting together gradually a team that could be solid down the line.
I disagree completely. You can take the BPA and address QB in a year or 2 and add him to a solid team with a good OL,a good RB, and a solid defense. There is no rule that sqys you have to take a QB first and build from there. The Rams for exqmple took Gurley, then a year later made moves for a QB and boom, theyre winning.
Anything can happen. This time last year, people predicted this year's QB class to pretty much be historic. But neither Rosen, Allen nor Darnold really lived up to expectations, and Mayfield actually far exceeded them.
You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong
You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong
That should say "taken in rd 1"
You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong
On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs
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there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck
You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong
On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs
Which further reinforces my point. Stay true to the board and dont get caught up reaching to fill specific positions
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there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck
You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong
On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs
Which further reinforces my point. Stay true to the board and dont get caught up reaching to fill specific positions
And actually the last few drafts the top QBs have been great!
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.
Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward.
(Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window )
If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.
Jesus....The Boss is an Eagles fan. He is so obvious and you bit hook line and sinker. I live in Philly and there is absolutely NO chatter about them wanting us to take Barkley. In fact quite the opposite. Us getting a running game is the exact thing that brings us at least one win last year and maybe another the year before.
The_Boss is a fat, three toothed cheez whiz stinking piece of Philly trash who givees himself his own hair cuts and inhabits this board just to piss you off. Hahaha, you got got
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You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.
Finally, somebody said it. I camt believe Anak is back and that people even missed him. On the Facebook site, all he did was talk shit on this place. Then when I called him out enough for dwelling on it, he blocked me liked the princess he is.
Hi Anak!!!! Looks like nothings changed since Dave called you Courtney Cox a while back! 🍭🍦🍬🐻🌸
This. And the board is full of them. Coming out of the woodwork.
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.
Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward.
(Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window )
If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.
Jesus....The Boss is an Eagles fan. He is so obvious and you bit hook line and sinker. I live in Philly and there is absolutely NO chatter about them wanting us to take Barkley. In fact quite the opposite. Us getting a running game is the exact thing that brings us at least one win last year and maybe another the year before.
The_Boss is a fat, three toothed cheez whiz stinking piece of Philly trash who givees himself his own hair cuts and inhabits this board just to piss you off. Hahaha, you got got
Wrong on multiple levels; especially the idea that Im an Eagle fan. To steal a concept from George Costanza: if you say lies enough maybe youll believe them.
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.
Are you hearing Darnold at 1 or speculating at 1? And if speculated, do Giants take Darnold there even with Barkley available?
I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.
Brown trade still a possibility, I suppose.
Totally agree. I can't wait for the reaction to whatever the Giants decide to do at 2. BBI's collective head will explode and it will be hilarious.
ridiculous...
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.
Are you hearing Darnold at 1 or speculating at 1? And if speculated, do Giants take Darnold there even with Barkley available?
I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.
Presumably if the Browns surprise the Giants jump on Darnold?
I wouldnt flip my lid over Barkley.
But if they pass on Darnold for Chubb, it would be another situation where Ill just shake my head at this franchise. Chubb may well be a great player...... but we need a QB next year.
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I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.
Big, big mistake. Staying at 2 and taking anything other than QB is negligence, imo.
People who like Darnold think we drafted well if we pick him. Same for Rosen, Barkley, Chubb, etc. yet it will be sometime before we'll know for sure.
Confirmation bias to fit an agenda.
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I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.
Big, big mistake. Staying at 2 and taking anything other than QB is negligence, imo.
You've got to believe in the prospect, don't force the QB.
That said, I'm hoping the Browns deliver Darnold to us.
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I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.
Big, big mistake. Staying at 2 and taking anything other than QB is negligence, imo.
You've got to believe in the prospect, don't force the QB.
That said, I'm hoping the Browns deliver Darnold to us.
I don't believe in Barkley at all from a value standpoint at #2. Personally, if Cle takes Darnold at #1 I'm getting the hell out of #2 so long as they don't go further than #6. Then I take a QB, Nelson, Chubb or MAYBE then, Barkley.
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You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.
Finally, somebody said it. I camt believe Anak is back and that people even missed him. On the Facebook site, all he did was talk shit on this place. Then when I called him out enough for dwelling on it, he blocked me liked the princess he is.
Hi Anak!!!! Looks like nothings changed since Dave called you Courtney Cox a while back! 🍭🍦🍬🐻🌸
When did I block you?
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You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.
Oooh, testy much?
I see some things never change. Joey in VA will always be good for going apeshit over the most minute thing.
Because Saquon is the better prospect, and also, because Chubb is a bit limited in scheme versatility given his limited athleticism. Yes, he played 3-4 OLB early in his NC State career, but I think his biggest impact will come as a 4-3 DE.
Scheme fit is a big concern. Also the fact that everyone is saying he is a cant miss prospect. That always worries me for some reason.
I also think Bettcher is capable of maximizing his players so perhaps it's something that shouldn't give me pause. Chubb seems like he's good enough to adapt and make plays wherever you put him. But.. as we know, the Giants have drafted some poor edge rusher fits in the past. Albeit, much lesser prospects and a different regime.
arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.
arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.
If he can, he can - I just didn't see it in college so we'd just be projecting.
I don't doubt it, though. He is fucking relentless.
arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.
What do you mean? I think Barkley is as close to a perfect prospect as I've ever seen. He checks off every single box.
Chubb is awesome, but he has limited athleticism. That's the difference. He's not a physical marvel like Clowney and Garrett were/are (or like Marcus Davenport is this year). He was more productive than them, but he's not a transcendent, once-in-a-lifetime specimen. I think Chubb is going to be a great pro and will be a perennial 8-12 sack guy as a 4-3 DE. The issue is that while he has indeed played 3-4 OLB early on in his NC State career, his talent would be better maximized if he was a base-end in a 4-3.
Now, if Bettcher disagrees and can utilize Chubb to the best of his ability, I'm all for it.
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I think Barkley is as close to a perfect prospect as I've ever seen. He checks off every single box.
This is just not true. He is an excellent prospect, no doubt, but his decision-making is questionable at times (not taking what is there and instead making matters worse). It's an area where he can improve with experience and coaching, but that requires a projection (maybe he will, maybe he won't). Matt Waldman film room - ( New Window )