Some Last Minute Asshattery

Darnold first
Saquon second
Rosen third
Chubb or trade down 4th.

I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit.

Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down.

I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.

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That no matter what happens BBI is going to have a meltdown tomorrow..

I'd rather Chubb than Barkley.

In comment 13931712 Joey in VA said:

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I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.

I heard things, Joey...

It is amazing that the teams that need a QB will be drafting one, but we will be ignoring that need to draft a RB. I will be apoplectic. I appreciate the information, but I just won't believe it until it happens, because I can't believe our front office would do that, unless ownership has mandated that it go down that way.

In comment 13931712 Joey in VA said:

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Darnold first Saquon second Rosen third Chubb or trade down 4th. I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit. Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down. I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.

Go Rosen.

In comment 13931731 darren in pdx said:

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That no matter what happens BBI is going to have a meltdown tomorrow..

There should just be an epic meltdown thread stickied ahead of time.

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In comment 13931731 darren in pdx said: Quote: That no matter what happens BBI is going to have a meltdown tomorrow.. There should just be an epic meltdown thread stickied ahead of time.

Ha! Seconded.

Anthony Davis and it was imminent...

take of hating whoever the pick is because it's not who they thought it should be.

In comment 13931751 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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take of hating whoever the pick is because it's not who they thought it should be.

You are being kind. Some just won't hate the pick but will yell for the next 5 years that DG is incompetent.

Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.

and said the only people who know the Giants pick is the owners, GM and HC. Nobody else knows, so unless this source is one of them, I can�t see how it�s accurate. They did say that the scouts would all try to poke holes in Barkley and his game and they just couldn�t find any. However, none of the scouts, coaches or personnel know the pick.

In comment 13931747 Jimmy Googs said:

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Anthony Davis and it was imminent...

for a conditional 6th to the 49ers...

Any other tidbits? Like a possible trade down or Think they are set on bArkley ?

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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.

Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward.

(Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2)
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Martin, I keep linking old names, I saw Kareem and McKenzie popped into my head. Apologies.

I'm not passing along nonsense or opinion ONLY what I heard. Shoot the messenger, I dare you, I double DOG dare you.

I do think if we stay @ 2, it's Barkley or Darnold. Whichever of the two CLE doesn't take. If they take neither, I think we'd take Darnold.

But maybe all of the Barkley stuff is just reality and not smoke.

If that's the direction we go, so be it.

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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.

Also, the idea that the Browns would like to bookend Chubb with Myles is popular among fans. The Browns themselves aren't. With the expectation that Barkley is gone at #2, they realize that their #4 is worth dealing more than loading up the DL with Chubb.

but if they pick Barkley this place will implode. So many armchair experts chirping about what a bad decision it would be. I love it.

does that mean the front office was just as leaky as always?

In comment 13931824 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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does that mean the front office was just as leaky as always?

no they know cleveland was going qb. they hyped barkley to maybe get browns to take him leaving us darnold

In comment 13931797 The_Boss said:

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In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window )

If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.

In comment 13931824 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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does that mean the front office was just as leaky as always?

Yes

In comment 13931824 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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does that mean the front office was just as leaky as always?

I would draw the conclusion that Barkley was just too obvious. Picking #2 and he's the unanimous BPA among analysts. We have been hearing from some time that Eli has "years" left. Those that want some seamless transition like Favre/Rodgers chose to take those comments and dismiss them as subterfuge in order to conceal the real intention. But like DG said the other day, he hasn't lied since he was a child.

In comment 13931824 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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does that mean the front office was just as leaky as always?

I don't think so - because they've been tied to so many other players at this point.

I think circumstances just make it the most "obvious" choice to most people if Darnold is the first off the board (which it seems he will be)

People will frame it that way because they're desperate to prove that Reese had no control over anything ever leaking in the past, but from everything we've heard so far, Giants Central appears to be a pretty tight ship and has been throughout the process.

In comment 13931832 Giants34 said:

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In comment 13931797 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window ) If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.

bs they doont want us getting either

They all lie. Especially this week. The only guy that wanted everyone to know what his plan was is Accorsi.

And for fucks sake.. are we really at the point now where we're thinking the Giants should do whatever the Eagles fans don't want them to do?

This is agonizing.

Less than 24 hours to go....

It sounds like they grab the top player in the draft.

In comment 13931839 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 13931832 Giants34 said: Quote: In comment 13931797 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window ) If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB. bs they doont want us getting either

Barkley wouldn�t scare them one bit. How often of late have we controlled the LOS vs their front?

is that he is a running back. All the scouts are going to tell you is that he is a great running back prospect. It's up to Gettleman to look at the big picture and realize that's not a great way to use this valuable asset.

If they truly don't believe in any of these quarterbacks they should trade down and benefit from some dopey team that desperately wants one of them.

All everyone says is that this is a fantastic, deep running back draft. Turn #2 into a handful of picks and grab one of the other backs later on. Hell, take two. Odds are one of the guys in the pack will be a better pro than Saquon anyway.


My fears about Gettleman since he was hired are: 1) He was brought in because he told Mara what he wanted to hear with regards to Eli; 2) He's just generally a dinosaur who thinks about football in a very old fashioned way.

If he takes Barkley tomorrow it will confirm my suspicions.

In comment 13931768 JonC said:

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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.

That makes sense. This morning's story about the Browns having cooled on Darnold was nonsense, Haslam their owner has the had the hots for Darnold since his pro day. DG doesn't trade down, so it's always been Barkley - Chubb - Rosen to pick from at 2.

In comment 13931832 Giants34 said:

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In comment 13931797 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window ) If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.

You�re full of shit. I was just in Philly for work, all week. Every single Eagle fan I talked to at the local establishments feared the Giants taking Barkley more than any other player. It was insanely one sided. I couldn�t believe it but that was their feelings. They don�t want to have to face Barkley twice per season.

I have no interest in Barkley at 2, and I countered their concerns with some reality, but I�m just passing along the conversations I had with Eagles fans.

In comment 13931864 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. That makes sense. This morning's story about the Browns having cooled on Darnold was nonsense, Haslam their owner has the had the hots for Darnold since his pro day. DG doesn't trade down, so it's always been Barkley - Chubb - Rosen to pick from at 2.

I refuse to believe we have that stupid of a front office until it actually happens. Unless this was a mandate from the owners, at which point there was no real point in hiring a GM anyway.

is a Rockland county native (and former player and scout for the Giants), that I know but haven�t talked to in a very longtime. We do share a good friend who I was talking with earlier who claims that Cleveland really will not go with Darnold at 1. He says the Mayfield/Allen story is very true and that he supposedly hears that Allen will go 1. Anyone can be wrong, and I kind of don�t buy it but other things he has told me has always been correct. He had no clue about the Giants outside of Chubb or Barkley.

Look at how their offense worked with a couple of cast off RBs that nobody wanted.

that he is guessing Chubb or Barkley to the Giants, that didn�t come from anyone.

In comment 13931773 Keith said:

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and said the only people who know the Giants pick is the owners, GM and HC. Nobody else knows, so unless this source is one of them, I can�t see how it�s accurate. They did say that the scouts would all try to poke holes in Barkley and his game and they just couldn�t find any. However, none of the scouts, coaches or personnel know the pick.

This is the way it should be, for way too long this team�s had more leaks than the Titanic!

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In comment 13931864 GFAN52 said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. That makes sense. This morning's story about the Browns having cooled on Darnold was nonsense, Haslam their owner has the had the hots for Darnold since his pro day. DG doesn't trade down, so it's always been Barkley - Chubb - Rosen to pick from at 2. I refuse to believe we have that stupid of a front office until it actually happens. Unless this was a mandate from the owners, at which point there was no real point in hiring a GM anyway.

Who you rather have Chubb or Barkley or Rosen at 2.

removed that Miss Lippy's car is green

In comment 13931839 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 13931832 Giants34 said: Quote: In comment 13931797 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window ) If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB. bs they doont want us getting either

So you are suggesting we base our draft strategy on what Iggles think we should or shouldn't do?

The one player they fear and do not want the Giants to draft is Barkley. The thought of Beckham and Barkley on the field together is a nightmare for them.

and not enough to trade up. So, taking the best player in the draft is a nice fallback.

Also, let�s relax with the assumption that Wentz is going to own the division. The NFCE hasn�t had repeat winners since 2003/04.

In comment 13931877 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Look at how their offense worked with a couple of cast off RBs that nobody wanted.

Great point, and they got there on the back of a QB they gave a lot up for. Foles capped it off but Wentz was unreal

In comment 13931877 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Look at how their offense worked with a couple of cast off RBs that nobody wanted.

The Eagles weren�t brought up, their fans were. And as I said, I don�t want Barkley, but this nonsense about pointing to one team as the only way to win has got to stop. There are plenty of ways to build championship teams. There is no �formula�.

potentially getting a stud QB that we passed on is also gonna drive me nuts. I have in-laws that always bash the Giants, I never say anything about the Jets but they go on and on as is.

you have a frustrated and depressed fan base from last yrs debacle. Any QB or other position player means another yr or 2 of 6-10 and no playoffs. Barkley is instant excitement and a 9-7 wildcard possible. What makes this town Blue again? SB.

In comment 13931865 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13931832 Giants34 said: Quote: In comment 13931797 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window ) If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB. You�re full of shit. I was just in Philly for work, all week. Every single Eagle fan I talked to at the local establishments feared the Giants taking Barkley more than any other player. It was insanely one sided. I couldn�t believe it but that was their feelings. They don�t want to have to face Barkley twice per season. I have no interest in Barkley at 2, and I countered their concerns with some reality, but I�m just passing along the conversations I had with Eagles fans.

Absolutely agree. Eagles fans want us to take Rosen. They believe their line will kill him. They fear Barkley and also he went to Penn State.

In comment 13931930 UESBLUE said:

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you have a frustrated and depressed fan base from last yrs debacle. Any QB or other position player means another yr or 2 of 6-10 and no playoffs. Barkley is instant excitement and a 9-7 wildcard possible. What makes this town Blue again? SB.

You really think one RB is going to bring 6 wins? I am not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a lot. Odell got hurt on a bad throw, would that have happened anyway? Potentially but Eli hasn�t been above average in a really long time. I have always liked Eli but I just don�t see how you pass on all these QBs. I hope I am wrong. I really do.

In comment 13931916 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13931877 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Look at how their offense worked with a couple of cast off RBs that nobody wanted. The Eagles weren�t brought up, their fans were. And as I said, I don�t want Barkley, but this nonsense about pointing to one team as the only way to win has got to stop. There are plenty of ways to build championship teams. There is no �formula�.

It wouldn't be one team. Hell, the two times we won here recently it was not just with no "franchise" RB. It was with a RB-by-committee arrangement.

You're right that there's no formula.

In comment 13931916 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13931877 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Look at how their offense worked with a couple of cast off RBs that nobody wanted. The Eagles weren�t brought up, their fans were. And as I said, I don�t want Barkley, but this nonsense about pointing to one team as the only way to win has got to stop. There are plenty of ways to build championship teams. There is no �formula�.

I 100% agree and it is fact. Super Bowl Champions come in all different varieties in how they are build. That is why I will not get upset whomever is selected. Let the process unfold. Giants are going to get a great player. A championship team is not solely build on one draft.

In comment 13931799 Joey in VA said:

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Martin, I keep linking old names, I saw Kareem and McKenzie popped into my head. Apologies. I'm not passing along nonsense or opinion ONLY what I heard. Shoot the messenger, I dare you, I double DOG dare you.

How quick can u get me a Barkley jersey?

In comment 13931951 mattyblue said:

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In comment 13931930 UESBLUE said: Quote: you have a frustrated and depressed fan base from last yrs debacle. Any QB or other position player means another yr or 2 of 6-10 and no playoffs. Barkley is instant excitement and a 9-7 wildcard possible. What makes this town Blue again? SB. You really think one RB is going to bring 6 wins? I am not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a lot. Odell got hurt on a bad throw, would that have happened anyway? Potentially but Eli hasn�t been above average in a really long time. I have always liked Eli but I just don�t see how you pass on all these QBs. I hope I am wrong. I really do.

This team is likely a 7 win team right now. They are in between the 3 wins last year & 11 from 2016. The truth is in the middle of 2 extremes.

7-9/8-8

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It is amazing that the teams that need a QB will be drafting one, but we will be ignoring that need to draft a RB. I will be apoplectic. I appreciate the information, but I just won't believe it until it happens, because I can't believe our front office would do that, unless ownership has mandated that it go down that way.

Maybe because you don't understand what a "Need" is

That barring a trade it's Darnold and Chubb 1 and 2.

many possibilities. Almost any could be right or wrong.

I still say Darnold #1, but no longer necessarily Barkley at #2. It's too close to call between him and Chubb.

I also think there's an increased chance that we could trade with Buffalo if the Browns draft Mayfield or Allen at #1. Mayfield is the favorite of Browns consultant Scot McCloughan, who has worked closely with Dorsey, and has a good draft record. I still think we'll draft Darnold in that situation, but I am not as sure anymore.

This has been the most exciting pre draft season since 2004.

It�s natural that many Eagle fans would prefer Barkley not to land in the NFC East - partly because they know he�s really good, and partly because they don�t really want to root against him. Great player, good kid, and basically a local product - from eastern PA, near Allentown/Bethlehem.

In comment 13931986 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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That barring a trade it's Darnold and Chubb 1 and 2.

Thanks for your input.

In comment 13931951 mattyblue said:

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In comment 13931930 UESBLUE said: Quote: you have a frustrated and depressed fan base from last yrs debacle. Any QB or other position player means another yr or 2 of 6-10 and no playoffs. Barkley is instant excitement and a 9-7 wildcard possible. What makes this town Blue again? SB. You really think one RB is going to bring 6 wins? I am not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a lot. Odell got hurt on a bad throw, would that have happened anyway? Potentially but Eli hasn�t been above average in a really long time. I have always liked Eli but I just don�t see how you pass on all these QBs. I hope I am wrong. I really do.

I said 6 wins with a bench riding QB but SB could add 3 more. Maybe Im overhyping the 3 extra wins but clearly he brings an added dimension in our attack and brings it literally instantly. That said, Id still prefer Rosen.

a RB isn't worth a top pick. "The times they are a changing", Zeke, Gurley, Fournette, and even Melvin Gordon (and Bell) support that. Teams run a much more wide open offense now, and these guys can all be a threat out of the backfield.

In comment 13931768 JonC said:

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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.

Are you hearing Darnold at 1 or speculating at 1? And if speculated, do Giants take Darnold there even with Barkley available?

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but if they pick Barkley this place will implode. So many armchair experts chirping about what a bad decision it would be. I love it.

you do realise that as a BBI poster, I mean just the employee area and one who spends 23 hours a day with one eye open on the Forum, all right and I'd like to get married one qualifies as a true analyst.
An expert if you will.
Pro Scouts only came here for advice the Giants would be a perpetual championship team.

You're right... it is fun.

In comment 13931984 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 13931736 Giants34 said: Quote: It is amazing that the teams that need a QB will be drafting one, but we will be ignoring that need to draft a RB. I will be apoplectic. I appreciate the information, but I just won't believe it until it happens, because I can't believe our front office would do that, unless ownership has mandated that it go down that way. Maybe because you don't understand what a "Need" is

We were 3-13. We NEED everything! Who do I want - as someone previously asked? My guy is Rosen.

Someone is wrong here. People hearing Darnold then Barkley. Or Darnold then Chubb. Colin posted his own stuff, but that was a while ago, so who knows if that changed.

...phone picked up part of my wife's conversation.

Good times~

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I'd rather Chubb than Barkley.

Barkley is the fun pick Chubb is the logical pick, assuming Chubb has a good enough grade of course.

In a perfect non qb drafted world we�d get Chubb and one of those highly touted rbs in round 2 along with the good interior OLs in round 3(x2)

In comment 13931712 Joey in VA said:

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Darnold first Saquon second Rosen third Chubb or trade down 4th. I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit. Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down. I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.

How on earth would one person know what 3-4 teams are doing?

No need to indulge me, just find it odd.

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...phone picked up part of my wife's conversation. Good times~

I was wondering, WTF? Is BH drunk?

In comment 13931986 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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That barring a trade it's Darnold and Chubb 1 and 2.

And a lot here, me included, will lament why if they wanted Chubb didn't they trade down for him. Oh well.

take Allen that would be the shocker. Never really heard much about him.

In comment 13932037 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 13931986 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: That barring a trade it's Darnold and Chubb 1 and 2. And a lot here, me included, will lament why if they wanted Chubb didn't they trade down for him. Oh well.

It�s simple. It takes two to tango. They�d still need a trade partner in the 4 to 6 range and it doesn�t appear those teams have much motivation

In comment 13932037 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 13931986 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: That barring a trade it's Darnold and Chubb 1 and 2. And a lot here, me included, will lament why if they wanted Chubb didn't they trade down for him. Oh well.

Because the Browns are going to draft him at 4.

In comment 13931712 Joey in VA said:

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Darnold first Saquon second Rosen third Chubb or trade down 4th. I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit. Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down. I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.

I don�t doubt your information but isn�t that more like a guess by someone? It�s gotta be pretty hard to predict all those picks without a single trade or surprise. Obviously I am not trying to knock your information, in fact I appreciate it.

If they really want Chubb, trading down doesn't ensure you get him. It's not out of the question for Cleveland to take him 4th.

In comment 13931860 The_Boss said:

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In comment 13931839 BleedBlue said: Quote: In comment 13931832 Giants34 said: Quote: In comment 13931797 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window ) If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB. bs they doont want us getting either Barkley wouldn�t scare them one bit. How often of late have we controlled the LOS vs their front?

Oh give it a rest already. Fucks sake dude... we�re never gonna fix the ol right? Never! Might as well never even try to find a great rb.

In comment 13931978 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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In comment 13931799 Joey in VA said: Quote: Martin, I keep linking old names, I saw Kareem and McKenzie popped into my head. Apologies. I'm not passing along nonsense or opinion ONLY what I heard. Shoot the messenger, I dare you, I double DOG dare you. How quick can u get me a Barkley jersey?

Oh it's made,I'm just waiting.

In comment 13932024 Brown_Hornet said:

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...phone picked up part of my wife's conversation. Good times~

hahaha!

I just hope that if the Giants pick Barkley, Eli shows us that he wasn�t the problem with the short passing game. He has thrown a lot of really ugly-looking balls to running backs the past five years. Is it possible that Vereen, Darkwa, Jennings, Perkins, Williams, etc. weren�t where they were supposed to be?

anyone actually throw a remote and freak out after the Giants pick if you don�t like it? I am disappointed that the Giants aren�t gonna go QB but it doesn�t get me enraged or anything. I just don�t get the excitement feeling. How do you really react?

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In comment 13931873 Giants34 said: Quote: In comment 13931864 GFAN52 said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. That makes sense. This morning's story about the Browns having cooled on Darnold was nonsense, Haslam their owner has the had the hots for Darnold since his pro day. DG doesn't trade down, so it's always been Barkley - Chubb - Rosen to pick from at 2. I refuse to believe we have that stupid of a front office until it actually happens. Unless this was a mandate from the owners, at which point there was no real point in hiring a GM anyway. Who you rather have Chubb or Barkley or Rosen at 2.

Rosen.

I�ve talked to 2 Eagles fans and 1 Dallas fan I work with.

All were in agreement that Saquon is the one guy they don�t want NYG to wind up with.

In comment 13932100 Chris684 said:

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I�ve talked to 2 Eagles fans and 1 Dallas fan I work with. All were in agreement that Saquon is the one guy they don�t want NYG to wind up with.

Who cares what they think. All fans are gonna have different opinions

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anyone actually throw a remote and freak out after the Giants pick if you don�t like it? I am disappointed that the Giants aren�t gonna go QB but it doesn�t get me enraged or anything. I just don�t get the excitement feeling. How do you really react?

I usually shrug, turn off the TV and go back to reading with my daughter.

In comment 13932094 Big Blue Blogger said:

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I just hope that if the Giants pick Barkley, Eli shows us that he wasn�t the problem with the short passing game. He has thrown a lot of really ugly-looking balls to running backs the past five years. Is it possible that Vereen, Darkwa, Jennings, Perkins, Williams, etc. weren�t where they were supposed to be?

He's always seemed to lack touch on shorter passes to RB's - I think that's him and not the guys he's throwing to.

But if we take Barkley, Eli is probably only going to be the guy throwing to him for 1-2 years. So I wouldn't worry that much about it.

In comment 13931899 Anakim said:

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removed that Miss Lippy's car is green

You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.

Just saying it�s false to make an anti-Barkley argument by generalizing that the Eagles corner of the world is somehow hoping we �make the mistake� of drafting him.

In comment 13932106 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Mattyblue said: Quote: anyone actually throw a remote and freak out after the Giants pick if you don�t like it? I am disappointed that the Giants aren�t gonna go QB but it doesn�t get me enraged or anything. I just don�t get the excitement feeling. How do you really react? I usually shrug, turn off the TV and go back to reading with my daughter.

Yes I�m the same.

In comment 13932113 Chris684 said:

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Just saying it�s false to make an anti-Barkley argument by generalizing that the Eagles corner of the world is somehow hoping we �make the mistake� of drafting him.

I was totally agreeing with you and I don�t even want Barkley.

In comment 13932058 mattyblue said:

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In comment 13931712 Joey in VA said: Quote: Darnold first Saquon second Rosen third Chubb or trade down 4th. I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit. Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down. I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal. I don�t doubt your information but isn�t that more like a guess by someone? It�s gotta be pretty hard to predict all those picks without a single trade or surprise. Obviously I am not trying to knock your information, in fact I appreciate it.

Darnold is not a guess, the rest are but based on the latest "chatter" you could call it. In fact it was in the past few weeks that the Giants cooled a bit on Chubb simply because the defensive coaches didn't realize what they potentially had outside of Martin and OV. Again, just info from scout who I trust. He may be wrong, everyone may be but everyone likes a nugget.

In comment 13932121 Joey in VA said:

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In comment 13932058 mattyblue said: Quote: In comment 13931712 Joey in VA said: Quote: Darnold first Saquon second Rosen third Chubb or trade down 4th. I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit. Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down. I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal. I don�t doubt your information but isn�t that more like a guess by someone? It�s gotta be pretty hard to predict all those picks without a single trade or surprise. Obviously I am not trying to knock your information, in fact I appreciate it. Darnold is not a guess, the rest are but based on the latest "chatter" you could call it. In fact it was in the past few weeks that the Giants cooled a bit on Chubb simply because the defensive coaches didn't realize what they potentially had outside of Martin and OV. Again, just info from scout who I trust. He may be wrong, everyone may be but everyone likes a nugget.

Thank you. I appreciate anybody that passes along information. I am still hoping the Giants take Rosen but it�s looking bleak lol. I imagine most scouts and such probably have a good idea where people are gonna end up.

In comment 13932106 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Mattyblue said: Quote: anyone actually throw a remote and freak out after the Giants pick if you don�t like it? I am disappointed that the Giants aren�t gonna go QB but it doesn�t get me enraged or anything. I just don�t get the excitement feeling. How do you really react? I usually shrug, turn off the TV and go back to reading with my daughter.

I usually try to decipher the Giants' explanation and reasoning of the pick and look at the positives of the the selection in how that player is going to be used. I never get upset. I just try to take all the positives out of it. I never get my wish with the 1st round selection anyway.

If I've learned anything as a fan over the years.. it is to stop overreacting over draft picks the night or day they are made.

There's nothing wrong with saying "I love this pick!" or "I really didn't want this guy... I'm disappointed.." but every year, without fail, you have a large contingent of people who go fucking batshit (usually on the negative side) and throw tantrums.

I can guarantee anyone who has watched sports for even a few years has drafted players whom most thought were bad picks at the time and went on to be very good ones. Same thing the other way around.

Nothing is going to stop a good BBI avalanche-style meltdown if we take Barkley - but I'd suggest at least waiting to see how the team performs with him and what he does for us if he is, indeed, the pick.

You really can't judge a draft pick fairly until their rookie deal is about up. It takes time.

In the 2nd Round. Is Barkley really going to be that much better than him? When Cook was healthy he averaged almost 5 yards per carry and was basically averaging 100 yards per game (he had 354 in 3.5 games). Shurmur should be well aware of the quality of RB that you can get in the 2nd round of the NFL Draft, and he should be vocal in speaking out against a RB in the 1st. If he's not, his voice is worthless in terms of personnel decisions.

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In the 2nd Round. Is Barkley really going to be that much better than him? When Cook was healthy he averaged almost 5 yards per carry and was basically averaging 100 yards per game (he had 354 in 3.5 games). Shurmur should be well aware of the quality of RB that you can get in the 2nd round of the NFL Draft, and he should be vocal in speaking out against a RB in the 1st. If he's not, his voice is worthless in terms of personnel decisions.

If not for concerns about Cook�s character he would�ve absolutely been a first round pick and a high one at that. Many had him ranked higher than McCaffrey and some thought he was a better prospect than Fournette. He fell because of an arrest and rumblings that he associated with gang members.

We have to take Barkely. If they pass on Darnold that creates a real situation. Darnold is not only the best QB in this draft, he is the only QB the Giants would want as the face of a franchise. That combination is pretty rare, and to be able to just take them without a trade needed......damn hard to pass up. I guess in the end it is better to have the decision in our own hands, but that is a VERY tough decision. Maybe Darnold being there makes the pick go up in value so much one of these crazy trade downs can happen. In my mind, the best thing that could happen to the Giants would be a slight trade down, a bushel full of extra picks- AND Darnold. But that is just a dream.....I think!

that they're putting it all into winning one more for eli and not thinking of future at this time.

If QB, then they are thinking long term and putting together gradually a team that could be solid down the line.

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We have to take Barkely. If they pass on Darnold that creates a real situation. Darnold is not only the best QB in this draft, he is the only QB the Giants would want as the face of a franchise. That combination is pretty rare, and to be able to just take them without a trade needed......damn hard to pass up. I guess in the end it is better to have the decision in our own hands, but that is a VERY tough decision. Maybe Darnold being there makes the pick go up in value so much one of these crazy trade downs can happen. In my mind, the best thing that could happen to the Giants would be a slight trade down, a bushel full of extra picks- AND Darnold. But that is just a dream.....I think!

Did Hunt and Kamara also fall due to character issues? And they played vital roles on teams that made playoff runs. In Kamara's case, his team came within a fluke play of making the NFC Title game.

The NFL is rife with examples of RBs who were drafted outside the first round and made huge contributions to their teams (often as rookies). I have to believe our front office knows this.

because Jints Central is so destined to screw this up for the sake of the Eli Preservation Project.

I already hated this pick months ago when it was clear Barkley was going to be the selection. So I'll just be numb to the inevitable outcome; and eagerly await Mara's shit-eating grin when he puts his arm around Barkley thinking he's Eli's life preserver...

be awesome hearing about the omnipresent "Jints Central" over and over as being incompetent even though this offseason has been the opposite of that.

In comment 13932197 Giants34 said:

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In the 2nd Round. Is Barkley really going to be that much better than him? When Cook was healthy he averaged almost 5 yards per carry and was basically averaging 100 yards per game (he had 354 in 3.5 games). Shurmur should be well aware of the quality of RB that you can get in the 2nd round of the NFL Draft, and he should be vocal in speaking out against a RB in the 1st. If he's not, his voice is worthless in terms of personnel decisions.

The last 2 Super Bowl winning QBs were taken in the 3rd rd & 6th rd in their respective drafts. Who cares about past drafts? If the player is great, why wouldn't you want that player on the team?

"I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit."

This reasoning is pretty troubling. We can't try to get better in that area? And what about the possibility of Vernon being a cap casualty next year?

No knock on you or your source. I appreciate the info, but I hope it's wrong.

Well, free agency and the draft are separate evaluations.

I agree that Jints Central has done some good things in the FA window. And I've commented on those as they've happened.
Liked the add of Ogletree, the trading of JPP, and not signing any of our own olinemen.

I'll be first in the Eat Crow line if they go QB tomorrow at #2. That is the correct move. But Barkley is a mistake and his selection will be for so many wrong reasons...

they know without a doubt what the right move is tomorrow and that they can pass judgement tomorrow is an imbecile

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"I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit." This reasoning is pretty troubling. We can't try to get better in that area? And what about the possibility of Vernon being a cap casualty next year? No knock on you or your source. I appreciate the info, but I hope it's wrong.

With all do respect, I don�t buy it. Gettlemen has repeatedly said that you can never have too many pass rushers. Not just recently here but when he was with the Panthers and he kept taking them with premium picks. If they don�t take Chubb it�s because they had a higher grade on Barkley, not because of what they currently have there

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In the 2nd Round.

Cook had character concerns that affected his draft stock. Barkley has character assets that affect his draft stock, but positively.

In comment 13932309 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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they know without a doubt what the right move is tomorrow and that they can pass judgement tomorrow is an imbecile

I think people can disagree with moves teams make. It�s the point of the board. People discuss it, maybe argue a little. If you take it too far I agree.

I am always open to seeing the other side of an argument. I also agree with a lot of what people who look at things differently say. Jerry Reese was a God at first, know he is mocked. It�s just discussion.

even after tomorrow, we won't know what we've come away with even though you'll have posters scream they know exactly what we have.

People who like Darnold think we drafted well if we pick him. Same for Rosen, Barkley, Chubb, etc. yet it will be sometime before we'll know for sure.

Confirmation bias to fit an agenda.

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Not just recently here but when he was with the Panthers and he kept taking them with premium picks.

He did? When?

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In comment 13931899 Anakim said: Quote: removed that Miss Lippy's car is green You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.

Sorry you're both wrong. My car is silver

In comment 13932263 micky said:

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that they're putting it all into winning one more for eli and not thinking of future at this time. If QB, then they are thinking long term and putting together gradually a team that could be solid down the line.

I disagree completely. You can take the BPA and address QB in a year or 2 and add him to a solid team with a good OL,a good RB, and a solid defense. There is no rule that sqys you have to take a QB first and build from there. The Rams for exqmple took Gurley, then a year later made moves for a QB and boom, theyre winning.

Goff was much less of a prospect than people wanted for a top QB. If you think this current class isn't good enough, next year's group is horrid right now. There's nobody with any established track record coming next year. You'd be picking from a group of far less accomplished players than this one.

so im fine with taking hat chance, i dont see Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning in this draft either just a crop of solid players. Youd have to blow me away to pass on BPA im in the crowd that wants a team full of talent, not a team overly reliant on one position, including QB. Some people disagree, and im good with that. Going to be a fun draft

In comment 13932372 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Goff was much less of a prospect than people wanted for a top QB. If you think this current class isn't good enough, next year's group is horrid right now. There's nobody with any established track record coming next year. You'd be picking from a group of far less accomplished players than this one.

Anything can happen. This time last year, people predicted this year's QB class to pretty much be historic. But neither Rosen, Allen nor Darnold really lived up to expectations, and Mayfield actually far exceeded them.

there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck

You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong

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there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong

That should say "taken in rd 1"

In comment 13932386 sharpshooter66 said:

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there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong

On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs

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In comment 13932386 sharpshooter66 said: Quote: there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs

Which further reinforces my point. Stay true to the board and dont get caught up reaching to fill specific positions

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In comment 13932389 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 13932386 sharpshooter66 said: Quote: there were 4 QBs taken in a draft only one in each of those drafts is a franchise QB Cam Newton and Andrew Luck You got to trust your board. If Barkley is #1 take him, if its Chubb, take him, if its a QB take him. I dont think its a QB this year maybe im wrong On the flip side Eli Manning draft has 3 of 4 become top 10 of all time stat QBs Which further reinforces my point. Stay true to the board and dont get caught up reaching to fill specific positions

And actually the last few drafts the top QBs have been great!

really have no bearing on this years prospects. Take the top player on your board

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In comment 13931797 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window ) If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.

Jesus....The Boss is an Eagles fan. He is so obvious and you bit hook line and sinker. I live in Philly and there is absolutely NO chatter about them wanting us to take Barkley. In fact quite the opposite. Us getting a running game is the exact thing that brings us at least one win last year and maybe another the year before.

The_Boss is a fat, three toothed cheez whiz stinking piece of Philly trash who givees himself his own hair cuts and inhabits this board just to piss you off. Hahaha, you got got

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In comment 13931899 Anakim said: Quote: removed that Miss Lippy's car is green You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.

Finally, somebody said it. I camt believe Anak is back and that people even missed him. On the Facebook site, all he did was talk shit on this place. Then when I called him out enough for dwelling on it, he blocked me liked the princess he is.

Hi Anak!!!! Looks like nothings changed since Dave called you Courtney Cox a while back! 🍭🍦🍬🐻🌸

In comment 13932309 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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they know without a doubt what the right move is tomorrow and that they can pass judgement tomorrow is an imbecile

This. And the board is full of them. Coming out of the woodwork.

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In comment 13931832 Giants34 said: Quote: In comment 13931797 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward. (Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window ) If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB. Jesus....The Boss is an Eagles fan. He is so obvious and you bit hook line and sinker. I live in Philly and there is absolutely NO chatter about them wanting us to take Barkley. In fact quite the opposite. Us getting a running game is the exact thing that brings us at least one win last year and maybe another the year before. The_Boss is a fat, three toothed cheez whiz stinking piece of Philly trash who givees himself his own hair cuts and inhabits this board just to piss you off. Hahaha, you got got

Wrong on multiple levels; especially the idea that I�m an Eagle fan. To steal a concept from George Costanza: if you say lies enough maybe you�ll believe them.

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In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Are you hearing Darnold at 1 or speculating at 1? And if speculated, do Giants take Darnold there even with Barkley available?

I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.

Chubb will be a very good player - not sure he will be the difference maker that Barkley could be. And, with Odell and Engram - Giants are heading towards best skill position talent in league.

Brown trade still a possibility, I suppose.

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they know without a doubt what the right move is tomorrow and that they can pass judgement tomorrow is an imbecile

Totally agree. I can't wait for the reaction to whatever the Giants decide to do at 2. BBI's collective head will explode and it will be hilarious.

and risk him, unless the offer can't be refused. Then, presumably they'd pick Chubb if SB were gone.

With him J. Stewart on the roster, that's a ridiculous amount of cap space tied up in running backs.

ridiculous...

runnning back - seriously?

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In comment 13932011 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 13931768 JonC said: Quote: Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril. Are you hearing Darnold at 1 or speculating at 1? And if speculated, do Giants take Darnold there even with Barkley available? I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.

Presumably if the Browns surprise the Giants jump on Darnold?

no word on QBs.

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no word on QBs.

I wouldnt flip my lid over Barkley.

But if they pass on Darnold for Chubb, it would be another situation where Ill just shake my head at this franchise. Chubb may well be a great player...... but we need a QB next year.

In comment 13932294 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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be awesome hearing about the omnipresent "Jints Central" over and over as being incompetent even though this offseason has been the opposite of that.

Alright, I agree, that is getting annoying.

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In comment 13932011 dep026 said: Quote: I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG.

Big, big mistake. Staying at 2 and taking anything other than QB is negligence, imo.

In comment 13932338 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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even after tomorrow, we won't know what we've come away with even though you'll have posters scream they know exactly what we have. People who like Darnold think we drafted well if we pick him. Same for Rosen, Barkley, Chubb, etc. yet it will be sometime before we'll know for sure. Confirmation bias to fit an agenda.

Conventional wisdom says 3 years, but I think that is outdated. In today's NFL you need earlier contributions.

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In comment 13932518 JonC said: Quote: In comment 13932011 dep026 said: Quote: I'm hearing the Browns are picking Darnold, Giants expected to pick SB. There's been no word on QBs for NYG. Big, big mistake. Staying at 2 and taking anything other than QB is negligence, imo.

You've got to believe in the prospect, don't force the QB.

That said, I'm hoping the Browns deliver Darnold to us.

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I don't believe in Barkley at all from a value standpoint at #2. Personally, if Cle takes Darnold at #1 I'm getting the hell out of #2 so long as they don't go further than #6. Then I take a QB, Nelson, Chubb or MAYBE then, Barkley.

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In comment 13932112 Joey in VA said: Quote: In comment 13931899 Anakim said: Quote: removed that Miss Lippy's car is green You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole. Finally, somebody said it. I camt believe Anak is back and that people even missed him. On the Facebook site, all he did was talk shit on this place. Then when I called him out enough for dwelling on it, he blocked me liked the princess he is. Hi Anak!!!! Looks like nothings changed since Dave called you Courtney Cox a while back! 🍭🍦🍬🐻🌸

When did I block you?

In comment 13932112 Joey in VA said:

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In comment 13931899 Anakim said: Quote: removed that Miss Lippy's car is green You know what smartass, this is why people don't share shit and why no one pays a lick of attention to you. I have a person I trust who I rarely ask for information, so I shared. You don't like it, stick to Facebook proclamations of your non-existent scouting prowess that seems to be 20/20 hindsight every time. And her care is blue asshole.

Oooh, testy much?

I see some things never change. Joey in VA will always be good for going apeshit over the most minute thing.

would be ok with Barkley, but not with Chubb. A game changing DE is so much more valuable than a RB.

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would be ok with Barkley, but not with Chubb. A game changing DE is so much more valuable than a RB.

Because Saquon is the better prospect, and also, because Chubb is a bit limited in scheme versatility given his limited athleticism. Yes, he played 3-4 OLB early in his NC State career, but I think his biggest impact will come as a 4-3 DE.

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would be ok with Barkley, but not with Chubb. A game changing DE is so much more valuable than a RB.

Scheme fit is a big concern. Also the fact that everyone is saying he is a cant miss prospect. That always worries me for some reason.

I think people worry about the fit with Chubb... not so much the player. Everything I've seen of him @ NC St. has been either LDE/RDE in a 4-3. I'm sure Bettcher will have 4 down linemen in several packages, but I tend to think we'll be closer to a 3-4.

I also think Bettcher is capable of maximizing his players so perhaps it's something that shouldn't give me pause. Chubb seems like he's good enough to adapt and make plays wherever you put him. But.. as we know, the Giants have drafted some poor edge rusher fits in the past. Albeit, much lesser prospects and a different regime.

as opposed to Barkley who is being called a HOF, generational talent and is being compared to Marshall Faulk?

arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.

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as opposed to Barkley who is being called a HOF, generational talent and is being compared to Marshall Faulk? arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.

If he can, he can - I just didn't see it in college so we'd just be projecting.

I don't doubt it, though. He is fucking relentless.

He isn't lasting until 7.

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as opposed to Barkley who is being called a HOF, generational talent and is being compared to Marshall Faulk? arc, everything I am reading is saying that he can be great in any scheme. He can play standing up or as a 4-3 end.

What do you mean? I think Barkley is as close to a perfect prospect as I've ever seen. He checks off every single box.

Chubb is awesome, but he has limited athleticism. That's the difference. He's not a physical marvel like Clowney and Garrett were/are (or like Marcus Davenport is this year). He was more productive than them, but he's not a transcendent, once-in-a-lifetime specimen. I think Chubb is going to be a great pro and will be a perennial 8-12 sack guy as a 4-3 DE. The issue is that while he has indeed played 3-4 OLB early on in his NC State career, his talent would be better maximized if he was a base-end in a 4-3.


Now, if Bettcher disagrees and can utilize Chubb to the best of his ability, I'm all for it.

In comment 13933319 Anakim said:

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I think Barkley is as close to a perfect prospect as I've ever seen. He checks off every single box.

This is just not true. He is an excellent prospect, no doubt, but his decision-making is questionable at times (not taking what is there and instead making matters worse). It's an area where he can improve with experience and coaching, but that requires a projection (maybe he will, maybe he won't).
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In comment 13934485 Milton said:

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In comment 13933319 Anakim said: Quote: I think Barkley is as close to a perfect prospect as I've ever seen. He checks off every single box. This is just not true. He is an excellent prospect, no doubt, but his decision-making is questionable at times (not taking what is there and instead making matters worse). It's an area where he can improve with experience and coaching, but that requires a projection (maybe he will, maybe he won't). Matt Waldman film room - ( New Window )

I wanted the Giants to draft Rosen but SB is a cleaner and better prospect. No one is "perfect" A running Back with SB's speed and moves will lose yards once in while. They offset that by going 80 yards for a TD. Running backs that can take it to the house break a defense's back. We will have to watch Rosen be great in AZ. At least he did not go to the Jets. SB will be fun to watch and root for.

In comment 13939498 Thegratefulhead said:

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I wanted the Giants to draft Rosen but SB is a cleaner and better prospect. No one is "perfect" A running Back with SB's speed and moves will lose yards once in while. They offset that by going 80 yards for a TD. Running backs that can take it to the house break a defense's back. We will have to watch Rosen be great in AZ. At least he did not go to the Jets. SB will be fun to watch and root for.

Agreed. I'm onboard with the pick and looking forward to him having an exciting career with Big Blue. I preferred Rosen, but such is life, time to move on. Same thing last year when I preferred Cam Robinson to Engram. Two different ways to improve the team, the GM just chose a different path than I would've.