Long story short, I work with someone who is friends with Saquon Barkley. Apparently when the subject was brought up to him a few days ago he said he thinks he's going to be drafted by the Bucs tomorrow. Of course, for all we know that means that the Bucs are the one team that said to him "If you're available we're definitely taking you." Or maybe he thinks the Giants are going QB or Chubb. Who knows for sure, but I just figured I'd throw it out there. Thankfully this is over in about 23 hours.
You really think one RB is going to bring 6 wins? I am not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a lot. Odell got hurt on a bad throw, would that have happened anyway? Potentially but Eli hasn’t been above average in a really long time. I have always liked Eli but I just don’t see how you pass on all these QBs. I hope I am wrong. I really do.
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Look at how their offense worked with a couple of cast off RBs that nobody wanted.
The Eagles weren’t brought up, their fans were. And as I said, I don’t want Barkley, but this nonsense about pointing to one team as the only way to win has got to stop. There are plenty of ways to build championship teams. There is no “formula”.
It wouldn't be one team. Hell, the two times we won here recently it was not just with no "franchise" RB. It was with a RB-by-committee arrangement.
You're right that there's no formula.
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Look at how their offense worked with a couple of cast off RBs that nobody wanted.
The Eagles weren’t brought up, their fans were. And as I said, I don’t want Barkley, but this nonsense about pointing to one team as the only way to win has got to stop. There are plenty of ways to build championship teams. There is no “formula”.
I 100% agree and it is fact. Super Bowl Champions come in all different varieties in how they are build. That is why I will not get upset whomever is selected. Let the process unfold. Giants are going to get a great player. A championship team is not solely build on one draft.
I'm not passing along nonsense or opinion ONLY what I heard. Shoot the messenger, I dare you, I double DOG dare you.
How quick can u get me a Barkley jersey?
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you have a frustrated and depressed fan base from last yrs debacle. Any QB or other position player means another yr or 2 of 6-10 and no playoffs. Barkley is instant excitement and a 9-7 wildcard possible. What makes this town Blue again? SB.
You really think one RB is going to bring 6 wins? I am not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a lot. Odell got hurt on a bad throw, would that have happened anyway? Potentially but Eli hasn’t been above average in a really long time. I have always liked Eli but I just don’t see how you pass on all these QBs. I hope I am wrong. I really do.
This team is likely a 7 win team right now. They are in between the 3 wins last year & 11 from 2016. The truth is in the middle of 2 extremes.
7-9/8-8
Maybe because you don't understand what a "Need" is
I still say Darnold #1, but no longer necessarily Barkley at #2. It's too close to call between him and Chubb.
I also think there's an increased chance that we could trade with Buffalo if the Browns draft Mayfield or Allen at #1. Mayfield is the favorite of Browns consultant Scot McCloughan, who has worked closely with Dorsey, and has a good draft record. I still think we'll draft Darnold in that situation, but I am not as sure anymore.
This has been the most exciting pre draft season since 2004.
Thanks for your input.
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you have a frustrated and depressed fan base from last yrs debacle. Any QB or other position player means another yr or 2 of 6-10 and no playoffs. Barkley is instant excitement and a 9-7 wildcard possible. What makes this town Blue again? SB.
You really think one RB is going to bring 6 wins? I am not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a lot. Odell got hurt on a bad throw, would that have happened anyway? Potentially but Eli hasn’t been above average in a really long time. I have always liked Eli but I just don’t see how you pass on all these QBs. I hope I am wrong. I really do.
I said 6 wins with a bench riding QB but SB could add 3 more. Maybe Im overhyping the 3 extra wins but clearly he brings an added dimension in our attack and brings it literally instantly. That said, Id still prefer Rosen.
Are you hearing Darnold at 1 or speculating at 1? And if speculated, do Giants take Darnold there even with Barkley available?
An expert if you will.
Pro Scouts only came here for advice the Giants would be a perpetual championship team.
You're right... it is fun.
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It is amazing that the teams that need a QB will be drafting one, but we will be ignoring that need to draft a RB. I will be apoplectic. I appreciate the information, but I just won't believe it until it happens, because I can't believe our front office would do that, unless ownership has mandated that it go down that way.
Maybe because you don't understand what a "Need" is
We were 3-13. We NEED everything! Who do I want - as someone previously asked? My guy is Rosen.
Someone is wrong here. People hearing Darnold then Barkley. Or Darnold then Chubb. Colin posted his own stuff, but that was a while ago, so who knows if that changed.
Good times~
Barkley is the fun pick Chubb is the logical pick, assuming Chubb has a good enough grade of course.
In a perfect non qb drafted world we’d get Chubb and one of those highly touted rbs in round 2 along with the good interior OLs in round 3(x2)
Saquon second
Rosen third
Chubb or trade down 4th.
I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit.
Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down.
I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.
How on earth would one person know what 3-4 teams are doing?
No need to indulge me, just find it odd.
Good times~
I was wondering, WTF? Is BH drunk?
And a lot here, me included, will lament why if they wanted Chubb didn't they trade down for him. Oh well.
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That barring a trade it's Darnold and Chubb 1 and 2.
And a lot here, me included, will lament why if they wanted Chubb didn't they trade down for him. Oh well.
It’s simple. It takes two to tango. They’d still need a trade partner in the 4 to 6 range and it doesn’t appear those teams have much motivation
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That barring a trade it's Darnold and Chubb 1 and 2.
And a lot here, me included, will lament why if they wanted Chubb didn't they trade down for him. Oh well.
Because the Browns are going to draft him at 4.
Saquon second
Rosen third
Chubb or trade down 4th.
I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit.
Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down.
I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.
I don’t doubt your information but isn’t that more like a guess by someone? It’s gotta be pretty hard to predict all those picks without a single trade or surprise. Obviously I am not trying to knock your information, in fact I appreciate it.
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.
Barley is exactly what Philly would prefer the NYG to do. Their assertion is the NYG cannot currently nor in the future compete with the Eagles (and Wentz) without a better QB now and moving forward.
(Courtesy of Eric in the Vacarro thread on page 2) Link - ( New Window )
If that doesn't clue people in as to what we should really do, I don't know what will. Eagle fans want what is worst for us. They want us to get Barkley. I have a friend that is an Eagle fan. He similarly wants us to draft Barkley. No rival fan wants the opposition to get a franchise QB.
bs they doont want us getting either
Barkley wouldn’t scare them one bit. How often of late have we controlled the LOS vs their front?
Oh give it a rest already. Fucks sake dude... we’re never gonna fix the ol right? Never! Might as well never even try to find a great rb.
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Martin, I keep linking old names, I saw Kareem and McKenzie popped into my head. Apologies.
I'm not passing along nonsense or opinion ONLY what I heard. Shoot the messenger, I dare you, I double DOG dare you.
How quick can u get me a Barkley jersey?
Good times~
hahaha!
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Darnold #1 to the Browns, Barkley #2 to the Giants is expected. My educated guess leaning towards Chubb at #2 is in peril.
That makes sense. This morning's story about the Browns having cooled on Darnold was nonsense, Haslam their owner has the had the hots for Darnold since his pro day. DG doesn't trade down, so it's always been Barkley - Chubb - Rosen to pick from at 2.
I refuse to believe we have that stupid of a front office until it actually happens. Unless this was a mandate from the owners, at which point there was no real point in hiring a GM anyway.
Who you rather have Chubb or Barkley or Rosen at 2.
Rosen.
All were in agreement that Saquon is the one guy they don’t want NYG to wind up with.
All were in agreement that Saquon is the one guy they don’t want NYG to wind up with.
Who cares what they think. All fans are gonna have different opinions
He's always seemed to lack touch on shorter passes to RB's - I think that's him and not the guys he's throwing to.
But if we take Barkley, Eli is probably only going to be the guy throwing to him for 1-2 years. So I wouldn't worry that much about it.
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anyone actually throw a remote and freak out after the Giants pick if you don’t like it? I am disappointed that the Giants aren’t gonna go QB but it doesn’t get me enraged or anything. I just don’t get the excitement feeling. How do you really react?
I usually shrug, turn off the TV and go back to reading with my daughter.
Yes I’m the same.
I was totally agreeing with you and I don’t even want Barkley.
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Darnold first
Saquon second
Rosen third
Chubb or trade down 4th.
I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit.
Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down.
I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.
I don’t doubt your information but isn’t that more like a guess by someone? It’s gotta be pretty hard to predict all those picks without a single trade or surprise. Obviously I am not trying to knock your information, in fact I appreciate it.
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Darnold first
Saquon second
Rosen third
Chubb or trade down 4th.
I heard that upon further inspection with Okwara, Moss, OV and McKenzie that the team feels better at OLB and that pushed Chubb down a bit.
Darnold is almost a lock to go first and the Giants are pretty set on Barkley barring a ridiculous package to move down.
I won't say who told me, but I trust the information a great deal.
I don’t doubt your information but isn’t that more like a guess by someone? It’s gotta be pretty hard to predict all those picks without a single trade or surprise. Obviously I am not trying to knock your information, in fact I appreciate it.
Darnold is not a guess, the rest are but based on the latest "chatter" you could call it. In fact it was in the past few weeks that the Giants cooled a bit on Chubb simply because the defensive coaches didn't realize what they potentially had outside of Martin and OV. Again, just info from scout who I trust. He may be wrong, everyone may be but everyone likes a nugget.
Thank you. I appreciate anybody that passes along information. I am still hoping the Giants take Rosen but it’s looking bleak lol. I imagine most scouts and such probably have a good idea where people are gonna end up.
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anyone actually throw a remote and freak out after the Giants pick if you don’t like it? I am disappointed that the Giants aren’t gonna go QB but it doesn’t get me enraged or anything. I just don’t get the excitement feeling. How do you really react?
I usually shrug, turn off the TV and go back to reading with my daughter.
I usually try to decipher the Giants' explanation and reasoning of the pick and look at the positives of the the selection in how that player is going to be used. I never get upset. I just try to take all the positives out of it. I never get my wish with the 1st round selection anyway.
There's nothing wrong with saying "I love this pick!" or "I really didn't want this guy... I'm disappointed.." but every year, without fail, you have a large contingent of people who go fucking batshit (usually on the negative side) and throw tantrums.
I can guarantee anyone who has watched sports for even a few years has drafted players whom most thought were bad picks at the time and went on to be very good ones. Same thing the other way around.
Nothing is going to stop a good BBI avalanche-style meltdown if we take Barkley - but I'd suggest at least waiting to see how the team performs with him and what he does for us if he is, indeed, the pick.
You really can't judge a draft pick fairly until their rookie deal is about up. It takes time.
If not for concerns about Cook’s character he would’ve absolutely been a first round pick and a high one at that. Many had him ranked higher than McCaffrey and some thought he was a better prospect than Fournette. He fell because of an arrest and rumblings that he associated with gang members.
If QB, then they are thinking long term and putting together gradually a team that could be solid down the line.
Did Hunt and Kamara also fall due to character issues? And they played vital roles on teams that made playoff runs. In Kamara's case, his team came within a fluke play of making the NFC Title game.
The NFL is rife with examples of RBs who were drafted outside the first round and made huge contributions to their teams (often as rookies). I have to believe our front office knows this.
I already hated this pick months ago when it was clear Barkley was going to be the selection. So I'll just be numb to the inevitable outcome; and eagerly await Mara's shit-eating grin when he puts his arm around Barkley thinking he's Eli's life preserver...