NFT: Mets - Cards 04/25

NYM:

1. Michael Conforto (L) CF
2. Yoenis Cespedes (R) LF
3. Jay Bruce (L) RF
4. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
5. Wilmer Flores (R) 2B
6. Adrian Gonzalez (L) 1B
7. Jose Lobaton (S) C
8. Steven Matz (R) P
9. Amed Rosario (R) SS

StL:

1. Tommy Pham (R) CF
2. Dexter Fowler (S) RF
3. Jose Martinez (R) 1B
4. Marcell Ozuna (R) LF
5. Yadier Molina (R) C
6. Paul DeJong (R) SS
7. Jedd Gyorko (R) 3B
8. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
9. Michael Wacha (R) P

lineup.

Wacha throwing 97 mph tonight. Geez.

There you go, Bruce.

Nice little inning here.

Bruce salt and peppering his broken bat nub.

BRUUUCE! Matz looking sharp.

for Wilmer here.

Knick one in a gap, Flores!

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But he isn’t pitching them too high. Huge adjustment mechanically and it’s working. Question is does Matz buy into it? Is he OK with the two hard balls right at his OF? Is he happy with that one cheap hit just now - he should be.

Bad throw seems to have rattled him a bit, goes 3-0 on the next hitter.

Cmon

That was 110% on Flores.
But typical Matz melt down here answers my questions from a couple minutes ago. Cheap hit, he loses it. An “error” and he can’t throw a strike...

Matz should have been out of this a while ago.

he has zero.

quintessential Matz inning. He just loses it and can't seem to find it. All self inflicted with the bad throw to first. Gotta get this last out before more damage.

Came after Flores botched that barehanded crap right before it. This inning is so fucking annoying. It's a good lineup. You cant give them 5 outs.

If you can’t get out your own created mess. Looking like another 4 inning start

Is the worst player in professional sports.

literally every one of our pitchers looks like a better hitter than him.

We have to do something about the catchers. Lobaton and Nido are both AWFUL.

Here we go again with the Paul DeJong stuff...

Do they have to do this every fucking time we play the Cardinals ?

is a switch hitter. When you're the worst hitter in baseball why focus on trying to hit from both sides? lol

yet I feel like this is a house of cards (no pun intended) ready to collapse. Matz, Harvey and Wheeler are all apparently healthy and yet none of them are stepping up. I would have bet in March that if healthy at least 1 and maybe 2 would become a solid part of this rotation.

groundball. Oye.

In comment 13931990 Rob in Rockaway said:

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yet I feel like this is a house of cards (no pun intended) ready to collapse. Matz, Harvey and Wheeler are all apparently healthy and yet none of them are stepping up. I would have bet in March that if healthy at least 1 and maybe 2 would become a solid part of this rotation.

Harvey is no longer in the rotation. We need Matz, Wheeler, and Vargas to be decent backend starters.

Im ready to start tearing up my house with this game. Fuck.

Jeesh

In comment 13932001 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13931990 Rob in Rockaway said: Quote: yet I feel like this is a house of cards (no pun intended) ready to collapse. Matz, Harvey and Wheeler are all apparently healthy and yet none of them are stepping up. I would have bet in March that if healthy at least 1 and maybe 2 would become a solid part of this rotation. Harvey is no longer in the rotation. We need Matz, Wheeler, and Vargas to be decent backend starters. Im ready to start tearing up my house with this game. Fuck.

I hear you Z but truth be told I am at the point where I have ZERO faith in Wheeler or Matz, let alone Harvey.

I think we needed at least 1-2 of them to be good if we are going to get through a 162 game season.

These pitchers are a mess. We have two fucking guys who can get out of the 4th inning right now.

In comment 13932004 Rflairr said:

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Jeesh

JT Realmutto. Whatever it takes

I actually thought Matz was looking good and coasting early... Jesus fucking christ. IMplosion from the whole team including Matz.

Mets only have two starting pitchers. The record is great but it’s going to be hard to sustain first place all year unless the pitchers get better.

Matz loses his focus way too easily. Gets so rattled and comes apart whenever a few things don't go right.

That seems to be the major problem with him more than his actual stuff.

I didn't think I'd actually be excited for Jason Vargas to come back.. but at least he should be able to go 6 more often than not.

. Mets aren’t going to keep getting away with these 4 and 5 inning starts

5 starts for Matz. Harvey demoted to be bullpen. What’s the plan?

What a sloppy game. Not sure how much more time I want to spend watching this.

In comment 13932040 Metnut said:

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5 starts for Matz. Harvey demoted to be bullpen. What’s the plan?

The plan is to get Vargas back... Let MatzWheeler go for at least a few more starts each because unlike Harvey they actually look healthy... You still have a bunch of other options. You can slide Lugo/Gsellman to the rotation and move Wheeler/Matz to the pen... I actually think Oswalt could probably be a 5th starter. Lots of options as the season moves a long and if all fails get a starter at the deadline.

Ive seen from the Mets all year. Wow.

Lobaton (who is awful) is not the problem with this team. Neither is Nido. And getting Realmuto isn't going to solve the problem either even if we rob the Marlins in the trade, which we won't anyway.

Is at least Alonso had a good night. That’s the only bright spot...

the rotation already. Preferably Gsellman. Back up the shuttle with all these relievers that some are pumping up and get real about winning. Harvey is already out of the rotation. Good. The jerk wouldn’t even talk to reporters after his first relief outing. Proving to still be a douchebag. Matz doesn’t have the mental toughness to be a starting pitcher. I can roll with Wheeler a bit longer and also we’ll get Vargas back.

A stud bullpen doesn’t mean shit of this is what we are getting from 3 of our starters.

And when is the offense going to start? Any day now.

to have to promote him to AAA before long and then it will get really interesting. Do Alonso/Smith split 1B? Can Alonso leapfrog Smith? You cant keep elite right-handed power buried like that for long if he's hot like that.

We need to shuttle relievers like this because they have to pitch 5 innings 3 out of every 5 nights.

Win tomorrow and take the series from these fuck faces.

Seriously, fuck Harvey.

But the fact remains that our fears regarding the depth of this starting rotation are still very real. This front office has essentially been hostage to the potential of these three guys for 3 years now with little or nothing to show for it.

I think you have to give wheeler/matz one more turn through rotation and then figure out which of Lugo/gsellman you want to take out of the bullpen. It sucks because you are weakening what has been a strength but this team can’t survive back to back 4 inning starts every week. Then, if by some grace of god we are still in a decent position come late June we will have to trade for a starter. Who knows maybe Dickey would come out of retirement for 3 months or we can sign peavy who will be available the end of may. I don’t really see much help in farm and frankly don’t think Oswalt or Flexen are MLB caliber yet (hope I am wrong).