2005 NFL Draft. Second overall- Ronnie Brown
2005 4th overall-Cedric Benson
2005 5th overall- Cadillac Williams.
2006 Second over all- Reggie Bush
2008 Fourth overall- Darren McFadden
2012- Third over all- Trent Richardson
Adrian Peterson won only one playoff game during his entire Vikings career.
Brandon Jacobs was the Giants' fourth round pick in 2005.
except qbs have far more value than rbs
you are mistaken and it is not a matter of opinion. Kirk Cousin is maybe a top 12 QB. He just signed the richest contract in NFL history $84M fully guaranteed. Meanwhile Leveon Bell, the best RB in the game can't get a contract. tell me again how a top RB is more valuable than an average RB.
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A 300+ carry 1500+ yard 12+TD RB has more value to any team than an average QB lol
you are mistaken and it is not a matter of opinion. Kirk Cousin is maybe a top 12 QB. He just signed the richest contract in NFL history $84M fully guaranteed. Meanwhile Leveon Bell, the best RB in the game can't get a contract. tell me again how a top RB is more valuable than an average RB.
better than an average QB i mean..
That's factually incorrect.
thank you for admitting that the market has determined that average QBs are more valuable than elite RBs thus proving my point.
spending money on less valuable positions and overdrafting players where the replacement value by much lower round guys is very high is a great way to destroy your franchise. The Patriots, for instance, do not make such dumb mistakes. And the Eagles have not made dumb mistakes like that. But we should be the knuckleheads that draft Barkley at #2 overspending AND overdrafting at a position where there is much better value 2 rounds later.
Whos wins a game between an average expensive player and a great cheap player?
Whos wins a game between an average expensive player and a great cheap player?
Elite qbs win you super bowls elite rbs generally don't
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My hope is that with all the Giants need, they do not get tunnel vision and force a pick because a player plays a certain position. Guys like Flowers and Apple show what happens when you push players too far up your board because of the position they play. I do not doubt that both were ranked by the Giants at or above where we picked, but that was due to overemphasis on a specific position.
spending money on less valuable positions and overdrafting players where the replacement value by much lower round guys is very high is a great way to destroy your franchise. The Patriots, for instance, do not make such dumb mistakes. And the Eagles have not made dumb mistakes like that. But we should be the knuckleheads that draft Barkley at #2 overspending AND overdrafting at a position where there is much better value 2 rounds later.
Patriots have probably the greatest QB of all time on a below market deal with extras under the table to circumvent the cap and an amazing head coach. Philly has a QB operating under a rookie wage scale, which has allowed them to boost their DL. They also made sure that they had an OL in place before getting their franchise QB. If you look at the teams that are successful these days, they have found a way to get their QB cheaply. However, for many of the franchises it was a long time in the making. Eagles had never won a Super Bowl. How many QB’s have teams like Washington, Cincy, Tampa, Buffalo, etc, run through? Drafting a QB for the sake of drafting a QB is how you end up with players like Akili Smith, Jake Locker, J.P. Losman, and countless others. Selecting a bust at a more important position sets the franchise back more than selecting a good player at a less important position (although good player at more important position trumps both).
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that value is only monetary cost yes i concede that point because o dont care about monetary cost lol. Im not here to win stupid arguments about dumb stuff.
Whos wins a game between an average expensive player and a great cheap player?
Elite qbs win you super bowls elite rbs generally don't
Except there may not be an elite QB in this draft. 1999 had 5 QB’s in the top 12 with 0 combined Super Bowl wins as a starter. The best ended up being Donovan McNabb. If that is all we are getting at #2 I am not sure that is good value.
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My hope is that with all the Giants need, they do not get tunnel vision and force a pick because a player plays a certain position. Guys like Flowers and Apple show what happens when you push players too far up your board because of the position they play. I do not doubt that both were ranked by the Giants at or above where we picked, but that was due to overemphasis on a specific position.
spending money on less valuable positions and overdrafting players where the replacement value by much lower round guys is very high is a great way to destroy your franchise. The Patriots, for instance, do not make such dumb mistakes. And the Eagles have not made dumb mistakes like that. But we should be the knuckleheads that draft Barkley at #2 overspending AND overdrafting at a position where there is much better value 2 rounds later.
Patriots have probably the greatest QB of all time on a below market deal with extras under the table to circumvent the cap and an amazing head coach. Philly has a QB operating under a rookie wage scale, which has allowed them to boost their DL. They also made sure that they had an OL in place before getting their franchise QB. If you look at the teams that are successful these days, they have found a way to get their QB cheaply. However, for many of the franchises it was a long time in the making. Eagles had never won a Super Bowl. How many QB’s have teams like Washington, Cincy, Tampa, Buffalo, etc, run through? Drafting a QB for the sake of drafting a QB is how you end up with players like Akili Smith, Jake Locker, J.P. Losman, and countless others. Selecting a bust at a more important position sets the franchise back more than selecting a good player at a less important position (although good player at more important position trumps both).
People just don't want to understand this point. If Barkley is rated slightly ahead of the QB, you take the QB. If Barkley is rated super high and you don't love the QBs, you take Barkley.
This board had fucking conniptions over the JPP and Odell picks. It loved the David Wilson pick. It was moderately optimistic on Flowers because "hey, left tackles are important!" I'll trust Gettelman to do the right thing.
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In comment 13932411 Mike in NY said:
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My hope is that with all the Giants need, they do not get tunnel vision and force a pick because a player plays a certain position. Guys like Flowers and Apple show what happens when you push players too far up your board because of the position they play. I do not doubt that both were ranked by the Giants at or above where we picked, but that was due to overemphasis on a specific position.
spending money on less valuable positions and overdrafting players where the replacement value by much lower round guys is very high is a great way to destroy your franchise. The Patriots, for instance, do not make such dumb mistakes. And the Eagles have not made dumb mistakes like that. But we should be the knuckleheads that draft Barkley at #2 overspending AND overdrafting at a position where there is much better value 2 rounds later.
Patriots have probably the greatest QB of all time on a below market deal with extras under the table to circumvent the cap and an amazing head coach. Philly has a QB operating under a rookie wage scale, which has allowed them to boost their DL. They also made sure that they had an OL in place before getting their franchise QB. If you look at the teams that are successful these days, they have found a way to get their QB cheaply. However, for many of the franchises it was a long time in the making. Eagles had never won a Super Bowl. How many QB’s have teams like Washington, Cincy, Tampa, Buffalo, etc, run through? Drafting a QB for the sake of drafting a QB is how you end up with players like Akili Smith, Jake Locker, J.P. Losman, and countless others. Selecting a bust at a more important position sets the franchise back more than selecting a good player at a less important position (although good player at more important position trumps both).
People just don't want to understand this point. If Barkley is rated slightly ahead of the QB, you take the QB. If Barkley is rated super high and you don't love the QBs, you take Barkley.
This board had fucking conniptions over the JPP and Odell picks. It loved the David Wilson pick. It was moderately optimistic on Flowers because "hey, left tackles are important!" I'll trust Gettelman to do the right thing.
Exactly re: first paragraph. I seem to recall David Wilson pick differently. I recall a lot of BBI going ape because we passed over Cordy Glenn.
JaMarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf
Not saying that means take a RB, just pointing out the impact.