Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.
with the recent Allen news...does this make the #2 pick so valuable with Darnold still on the board @ #2?
Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.
Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)
Idiots don't bet a lot of money. Money moves lines. A drastic jump is indicative of informed money betting.
Jackson will be the most productive QB in this draft... Â
That kid is a magician in the pocket with his escapability and he’s willing to stand tall for plays to develop. Don’t underestimate the Petrino factor here either. That’s no Big12 bullish-t offense Bob runs. That’s a pro style offense that the NFL takes seriously.
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Im a much bigger believer in games played and passing production than leaning on a carnival game test of strength in non-game situations. The guy produced, a lot, at the top level.
Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.
Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)
Idiots don't bet a lot of money. Money moves lines. A drastic jump is indicative of informed money betting.
So, you’re saying it’s rigged? (I don’t bet, and really know very little about it)
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Rapoport just said on NFL Network, "I just talked to another GM who's known John Dorsey well, and he said, 'he's not taking Mayfield. I know that's false.'"
I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.
You’ve done a complete 180. You posted a detailed thread a few months back outlining every 1st round QB since 2005. Your motto has always been “BPA regardless of position”.
But how could anyone believe that he clearly is? We all...myself very much included...have been waffling back and forth for a couple months on what to do at this pick BECAUSE it isn't clear who is the best player.
But how could anyone believe that he clearly is? We all...myself very much included...have been waffling back and forth for a couple months on what to do at this pick BECAUSE it isn't clear who is the best player.
So, if Gettleman truly believes Barkley is the best player in this entire draft and has conviction on that - isn't that a good enough reason to take him?
I'd love a QB - I think it's better for the franchise long term.
But my take is that if the Giants truly believe Barkley is the consensus best player in this class and that's why they take him - I can live with that and get behind it.
How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?
Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.
How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.
But if we stay at 2, I want Barkley. The “no first round RB” thing has swung too far, as if that isn’t an important position itself. If I had more faith in the QBs in this draft I’d be fine with it. But I’m not a believer.
How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?
Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.
How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.
Carson Wentz is done for the year - so are the Eagles. Teams don't win Super Bowls without great QB's. Nick Foles? Please. They have no shot. That trophy case is staying empty!
How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?
Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.
How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.
Past results don't guarantee future outcomes.
Nothing guarantees anything. But it continues to happen. The best, highest drafted RB wasn’t even the best rookie RB last year.
Nick Foles beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl last year and Case Keenum was a game away from the Super Bowl. Blake Bortles' Jaguars were in the AFC title game.
There isn't one limited formula and only one. The league evolves and things change. The rookie RB's last year made huge differences for their teams.
Kamara, Fournette, Cook (before he was hurt), Hunt, etc. were all HUGE assets to their teams last year.
People are devaluing the RB position too much because it's a "passing league" - that logic sucks .
Nick Foles beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl last year and Case Keenum was a game away from the Super Bowl. Blake Bortles' Jaguars were in the AFC title game.
There isn't one limited formula and only one. The league evolves and things change. The rookie RB's last year made huge differences for their teams.
Kamara, Fournette, Cook (before he was hurt), Hunt, etc. were all HUGE assets to their teams last year.
People are devaluing the RB position too much because it's a "passing league" - that logic sucks .
But man I really like rosen..
Lombardi’s history of picking QBs is less successful than Ray Handley coaching era
He doesn’t have a lot of zip. Combine proved it.
ITA.
Hearing him speak?
Facinating.
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Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.
Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)
Idiots don't bet a lot of money. Money moves lines. A drastic jump is indicative of informed money betting.
That kid is a magician in the pocket with his escapability and he’s willing to stand tall for plays to develop. Don’t underestimate the Petrino factor here either. That’s no Big12 bullish-t offense Bob runs. That’s a pro style offense that the NFL takes seriously.
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He doesn’t have a lot of zip. Combine proved it.
Im a much bigger believer in games played and passing production than leaning on a carnival game test of strength in non-game situations. The guy produced, a lot, at the top level.
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Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.
Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)
Idiots don't bet a lot of money. Money moves lines. A drastic jump is indicative of informed money betting.
So, you’re saying it’s rigged? (I don’t bet, and really know very little about it)
Facinating.
Oddly enough, people once said that same thing about Aaron Rodgers and Jeff Teford/CAL.
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Rapoport just said on NFL Network, "I just talked to another GM who's known John Dorsey well, and he said, 'he's not taking Mayfield. I know that's false.'"
Round and round we go....
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You'd think we were drafting Aaron Rodgers... College turnover machine from a college that hasn't churned out a good NFL QB since Carson Palmer lol.
Facinating.
Oddly enough, people once said that same thing about Aaron Rodgers and Jeff Teford/CAL.
That's Facinating as well. Man I can't wait! 30+ more minutes! Then we can spend months debating if the G-Men made the right call!
Well BBI told me he should be traded, so that means SB will be drafted by the team to whom we are trading Beckham.
And signing Dez Bryant, Johnny Manziel, Trey Songz, Justin Bieber, Christiano Ronaldo, Neymar, and a big booty French girl.
As a proponent of BPA, I’m curious why you’re against Barkley. The guy is the consensus best player in the draft
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Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.
And signing Dez Bryant, Johnny Manziel, Trey Songz, Justin Bieber, Christiano Ronaldo, Neymar, and a big booty French girl.
Keep big booty French chick, toss Manziel. Everything else is a net positive and makes the roster better.
You’ve done a complete 180. You posted a detailed thread a few months back outlining every 1st round QB since 2005. Your motto has always been “BPA regardless of position”.
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I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.
As a proponent of BPA, I’m curious why you’re against Barkley. The guy is the consensus best player in the draft
I'm not sure he is.
No a RB isn't worth the 2nd pick.
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What if he is? Is the pick worth it then?
No a RB isn't worth the 2nd pick.
Amen
How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?
Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
So, if Gettleman truly believes Barkley is the best player in this entire draft and has conviction on that - isn't that a good enough reason to take him?
I'd love a QB - I think it's better for the franchise long term.
But my take is that if the Giants truly believe Barkley is the consensus best player in this class and that's why they take him - I can live with that and get behind it.
Yeah, no shit. But we don't get to come back in 5 years and redo the draft.
Hopefully we can do this rumored trade down with Denver.
if we could move down to 5 and collect extra picks, that's the sweet spot for me.
How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?
Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.
How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.
Take the best player, that’s Barkley
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You guys are too fixated on the position.
How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?
Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.
How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.
Past results don't guarantee future outcomes.
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You guys are too fixated on the position.
How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?
Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.
How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.
Past results don't guarantee future outcomes.
Nothing guarantees anything. But it continues to happen. The best, highest drafted RB wasn’t even the best rookie RB last year.
Last year means nothing right now. These are all different players.
There isn't one limited formula and only one. The league evolves and things change. The rookie RB's last year made huge differences for their teams.
Kamara, Fournette, Cook (before he was hurt), Hunt, etc. were all HUGE assets to their teams last year.
People are devaluing the RB position too much because it's a "passing league" - that logic sucks .
There isn't one limited formula and only one. The league evolves and things change. The rookie RB's last year made huge differences for their teams.
Kamara, Fournette, Cook (before he was hurt), Hunt, etc. were all HUGE assets to their teams last year.
People are devaluing the RB position too much because it's a "passing league" - that logic sucks .
That is really a great, succinct and spot on post