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Schefter: Signs pointing to Baker at #1

mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:31 am
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/989481309197225984

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Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.


with the recent Allen news...does this make the #2 pick so valuable with Darnold still on the board @ #2?
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Only Cleveland could fuck this up  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 6:24 pm : link
The only bigger possible fuckup would be us passing on Darnold for Barkley.
I like rosen  
djm : 4/26/2018 6:26 pm : link
But if the giants like darnold I trust them with shurmur. He’s certainly got the size.

But man I really like rosen..
I still like Jackson best  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 6:30 pm : link
And both Dave Te and Mike Lombardi say the same.
Don't get the Jackson love  
Walt in MD : 4/26/2018 6:37 pm : link
Low wonderlic, noodle arm. Hearing him speak doesn't help either.
“Noodle arm” means you have never actually seen him play.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 6:40 pm : link
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RE: I still like Jackson best  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13934856 Go Terps said:
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And both Dave Te and Mike Lombardi say the same.


Lombardi’s history of picking QBs is less successful than Ray Handley coaching era
RE: “Noodle arm” means you have never actually seen him play.  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13934868 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He doesn’t have a lot of zip. Combine proved it.
RE: Only Cleveland could fuck this up  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/26/2018 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13934842 Go Terps said:
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The only bigger possible fuckup would be us passing on Darnold for Barkley.


ITA.
RE: Don't get the Jackson love  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13934862 Walt in MD said:
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Low wonderlic, noodle arm. Hearing him speak doesn't help either.


Hearing him speak?
So much love for Darnold.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2018 6:46 pm : link
You'd think we were drafting Aaron Rodgers... College turnover machine from a college that hasn't churned out a good NFL QB since Carson Palmer lol.

Facinating.
RE: RE: Baker  
AcesUp : 4/26/2018 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13934638 baadbill said:
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Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.



Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)


Idiots don't bet a lot of money. Money moves lines. A drastic jump is indicative of informed money betting.
Jackson will be the most productive QB in this draft...  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 6:51 pm : link
IF given the right amount of time to develop.

That kid is a magician in the pocket with his escapability and he’s willing to stand tall for plays to develop. Don’t underestimate the Petrino factor here either. That’s no Big12 bullish-t offense Bob runs. That’s a pro style offense that the NFL takes seriously.

RE: RE: “Noodle arm” means you have never actually seen him play.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13934875 dep026 said:
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He doesn’t have a lot of zip. Combine proved it.


Im a much bigger believer in games played and passing production than leaning on a carnival game test of strength in non-game situations. The guy produced, a lot, at the top level.
He can't throw it  
Walt in MD : 4/26/2018 7:00 pm : link
50 mph. And I've seen him play
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RE: RE: RE: Baker  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13934885 AcesUp said:
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Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.



Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)



Idiots don't bet a lot of money. Money moves lines. A drastic jump is indicative of informed money betting.


So, you’re saying it’s rigged? (I don’t bet, and really know very little about it)
When the outcome has already been decided?  
AcesUp : 4/26/2018 7:05 pm : link
And you can bet on it? Absolutely. I'm sure there are people in the know making money off it.
RE: So much love for Darnold.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/26/2018 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13934882 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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You'd think we were drafting Aaron Rodgers... College turnover machine from a college that hasn't churned out a good NFL QB since Carson Palmer lol.

Facinating.


Oddly enough, people once said that same thing about Aaron Rodgers and Jeff Teford/CAL.
Rosen  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 7:13 pm : link
is rocking a blue tie. Obviously coming to the Giants lol.
So back to Darnold  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2018 7:16 pm : link
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Rapoport just said on NFL Network, "I just talked to another GM who's known John Dorsey well, and he said, 'he's not taking Mayfield. I know that's false.'"
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:20 pm : link
So "another GM" knows for sure who Dorsey is or isn't taking?

Round and round we go....
God I’m so sick of all the guesses and rumors  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 7:22 pm : link
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RE: RE: So much love for Darnold.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2018 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13934930 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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You'd think we were drafting Aaron Rodgers... College turnover machine from a college that hasn't churned out a good NFL QB since Carson Palmer lol.

Facinating.



Oddly enough, people once said that same thing about Aaron Rodgers and Jeff Teford/CAL.


That's Facinating as well. Man I can't wait! 30+ more minutes! Then we can spend months debating if the G-Men made the right call!
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:27 pm : link
Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.
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chopperhatch : 4/26/2018 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13934992 arcarsenal said:
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Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.


Well BBI told me he should be traded, so that means SB will be drafted by the team to whom we are trading Beckham.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/26/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13934992 arcarsenal said:
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Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.


And signing Dez Bryant, Johnny Manziel, Trey Songz, Justin Bieber, Christiano Ronaldo, Neymar, and a big booty French girl.
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Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:34 pm : link
I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.
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Kyle in NY : 4/26/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13935029 Go Terps said:
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I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.


As a proponent of BPA, I’m curious why you’re against Barkley. The guy is the consensus best player in the draft
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Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13935020 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.



And signing Dez Bryant, Johnny Manziel, Trey Songz, Justin Bieber, Christiano Ronaldo, Neymar, and a big booty French girl.


Keep big booty French chick, toss Manziel. Everything else is a net positive and makes the roster better.
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Sean : 4/26/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13935029 Go Terps said:
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I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.


You’ve done a complete 180. You posted a detailed thread a few months back outlining every 1st round QB since 2005. Your motto has always been “BPA regardless of position”.
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Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13935046 Kyle in NY said:
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I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.



As a proponent of BPA, I’m curious why you’re against Barkley. The guy is the consensus best player in the draft


I'm not sure he is.
I don't think Barkley is clearly the best player  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:40 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:43 pm : link
What if he is? Is the pick worth it then?
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Big Rick in FL : 4/26/2018 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13935073 arcarsenal said:
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What if he is? Is the pick worth it then?


No a RB isn't worth the 2nd pick.
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mattyblue : 4/26/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 13935078 Big Rick in FL said:
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What if he is? Is the pick worth it then?



No a RB isn't worth the 2nd pick.


Amen
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:46 pm : link
You guys are too fixated on the position.

How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?

Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
Still hoping for Rosen  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 7:46 pm : link
and the smokescreen has been set all the way. Probably not gonna happen but I remain hopeful we don’t waste this pick.
Yes, it would be  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:46 pm : link
But how could anyone believe that he clearly is? We all...myself very much included...have been waffling back and forth for a couple months on what to do at this pick BECAUSE it isn't clear who is the best player.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:47 pm : link
I don't know if Barkley is or isn't the best player in the draft. I don't have a crystal ball. But if he is, he's worth the pick.
RE: Yes, it would be  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13935089 Go Terps said:
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But how could anyone believe that he clearly is? We all...myself very much included...have been waffling back and forth for a couple months on what to do at this pick BECAUSE it isn't clear who is the best player.


So, if Gettleman truly believes Barkley is the best player in this entire draft and has conviction on that - isn't that a good enough reason to take him?

I'd love a QB - I think it's better for the franchise long term.

But my take is that if the Giants truly believe Barkley is the consensus best player in this class and that's why they take him - I can live with that and get behind it.
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Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13935094 arcarsenal said:
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I don't know if Barkley is or isn't the best player in the draft. I don't have a crystal ball. But if he is, he's worth the pick.


Yeah, no shit. But we don't get to come back in 5 years and redo the draft.

Hopefully we can do this rumored trade down with Denver.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:49 pm : link
Denver is the team I'd really, really love to trade with.

if we could move down to 5 and collect extra picks, that's the sweet spot for me.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13935085 arcarsenal said:
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You guys are too fixated on the position.

How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?

Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.


If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.

How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.
I’m good with a trade down  
Kyle in NY : 4/26/2018 7:54 pm : link
But if we stay at 2, I want Barkley. The “no first round RB” thing has swung too far, as if that isn’t an important position itself. If I had more faith in the QBs in this draft I’d be fine with it. But I’m not a believer.

Take the best player, that’s Barkley
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13935145 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You guys are too fixated on the position.

How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?

Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.



If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.

How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.


Past results don't guarantee future outcomes.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:58 pm : link
Carson Wentz is done for the year - so are the Eagles. Teams don't win Super Bowls without great QB's. Nick Foles? Please. They have no shot. That trophy case is staying empty!
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Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13935165 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13935085 arcarsenal said:


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You guys are too fixated on the position.

How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?

Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.



If the choice is between a RB or a QB, I’m taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a “name” at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. We’ve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. We’ve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.

How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? It’s not like a guy that’s drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.



Past results don't guarantee future outcomes.


Nothing guarantees anything. But it continues to happen. The best, highest drafted RB wasn’t even the best rookie RB last year.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 8:39 pm : link
Who cares? Last year's top drafted RB wasn't this year's top drafted RB.

Last year means nothing right now. These are all different players.
Or course it means something.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 8:42 pm : link
When you have years and years of a thing happening, you can use it to inform decisions going forward.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 8:50 pm : link
Nick Foles beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl last year and Case Keenum was a game away from the Super Bowl. Blake Bortles' Jaguars were in the AFC title game.

There isn't one limited formula and only one. The league evolves and things change. The rookie RB's last year made huge differences for their teams.

Kamara, Fournette, Cook (before he was hurt), Hunt, etc. were all HUGE assets to their teams last year.

People are devaluing the RB position too much because it's a "passing league" - that logic sucks .
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Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2018 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13935781 arcarsenal said:
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Nick Foles beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl last year and Case Keenum was a game away from the Super Bowl. Blake Bortles' Jaguars were in the AFC title game.

There isn't one limited formula and only one. The league evolves and things change. The rookie RB's last year made huge differences for their teams.

Kamara, Fournette, Cook (before he was hurt), Hunt, etc. were all HUGE assets to their teams last year.

People are devaluing the RB position too much because it's a "passing league" - that logic sucks .


That is really a great, succinct and spot on post
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