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Schefter: Signs pointing to Baker at #1

mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:31 am
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/989481309197225984

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Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.


with the recent Allen news...does this make the #2 pick so valuable with Darnold still on the board @ #2?
Keep hearing this  
UberAlias : 4/26/2018 8:33 am : link
Please let NYG be smart enough not to pass up Darnold.
Hello Sam  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 8:33 am : link
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Not buying it  
est1986 : 4/26/2018 8:33 am : link
Will be shocked if Darnold is on the board when we pick.
Could certainly make 2 a more coveted pick,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2018 8:33 am : link
butI dont buy this report for a minute
If Mayfield goes 1st,  
section125 : 4/26/2018 8:36 am : link
then the Giants have the choice of Darnold, Rosen, Barkley or Chubb.

In that case, they stay and take their man - means the top 4 players are still on the board.

I wish it was Rosen, but it will either be Barkley or Darnold.
RE: Could certainly make 2 a more coveted pick,  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 13932634 Big Blue '56 said:
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butI dont buy this report for a minute


It would make it a coveted pick for the Giants.
Agree that the #2 pick instantly becomes invaluable  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 4/26/2018 8:38 am : link
If DG doesnt want want any of the QBs, any other team is going to want to jump the Jets at #3 to get their choice. This is getting interesting.
RE: RE: Could certainly make 2 a more coveted pick,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 13932643 mattyblue said:
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In comment 13932634 Big Blue '56 said:


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butI dont buy this report for a minute



It would make it a coveted pick for the Giants.


Sure, IF the Giants believe any of these QBs are franchise-makers
Buffalo, Denver and others will be calling and offering gifts  
George from PA : 4/26/2018 8:38 am : link
Trade down.....hopefully ending up at 4/5....and pocket a couple of extra picks this year and next
Interesting.  
Beezer : 4/26/2018 8:40 am : link
But yeah ... not buying it.
The days of the Herschel Walker trade are over.  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2018 8:41 am : link
We suffered for this pick. If Cleveland wants to hand us Darnold on a silver platter, you say thank you very much.
Baker to the Browns  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 8:44 am : link
shows me something is wrong the the air in Cleveland. You just went through Johnny Manziel, and Baker has a lot of Johnny qualities. Why even take the risk?

You take Darnold and keep building.
Cleveland continuing to play the risk game  
Andy in Boston : 4/26/2018 8:46 am : link
Mayfield is a player....but taking at a 6'0 QB with the 1st pick....ballsy.
Maybe the Giants really want  
ArtVandelay : 4/26/2018 8:46 am : link
Mayfield
I think this may be a leak to make #4 more valuable.  
crackerjack465 : 4/26/2018 8:46 am : link
Trying to get teams to think at least one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen will be there, guaranteed.

I'm not sure why else this would leak.
Basically if Darnold and Barkley are on the board at two  
Larry in Pencilvania : 4/26/2018 8:48 am : link
The Giants control the draft and can bring in a huge haul if they choose to go that direction. Hell they could make the Jets squirm
If Browns take Mayfield then you got to take Rosen  
giantstock : 4/26/2018 8:48 am : link
Get Rosen then you can start a quick rebuild and be a threat once he starts playing for 10-15 years.
RE: Maybe the Giants really want  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13932672 ArtVandelay said:
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Mayfield


Shurmur said he likes tall QBs.
RE: I think this may be a leak to make #4 more valuable.  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13932676 crackerjack465 said:
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Trying to get teams to think at least one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen will be there, guaranteed.

I'm not sure why else this would leak.


the leak isn't coming from the browns though. Schefter says they have been pretty tight lipped. The reports are coming from HC and GM's around the league so they might know something we don't.
RE: Baker to the Browns  
AcidTest : 4/26/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13932669 dep026 said:
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shows me something is wrong the the air in Cleveland. You just went through Johnny Manziel, and Baker has a lot of Johnny qualities. Why even take the risk?

You take Darnold and keep building.


It's the Forrest Gump rule: "Stupid is as stupid does."

I still think the Browns will draft Darnold, but I admit I'm less sure of that than I was even 24 hours ago. If Darnold is available, then whether to draft him will be the most important decision for the Giants since Accorsi traded for Eli. But if DG decides not to draft Darnold, he absolutely has to trade the pick. He'll get a fortune in return.
Where did he get this info?  
superspynyg : 4/26/2018 8:49 am : link
Did he steal his medical chart?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2018 8:51 am : link
LOL. Such a typical Browns pick.
this would be a big coup for the stats nerds who have been  
Heisenberg : 4/26/2018 8:51 am : link
proclaiming him the best one by far.
RE: Cleveland continuing to play the risk game  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 13932671 Andy in Boston said:
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Mayfield is a player....but taking at a 6'0 QB with the 1st pick....ballsy.


it would be ballsy but if they had the two QB's similarly rated and knew the Giants were never taking Baker...but would take Darnold.

CLE could lock in there QB and Barkley...maybe they thought Barkley is just so good they wanted him too.
Acid Test  
Marty866b : 4/26/2018 8:52 am : link
Spot on. If Darnold is available and we don't want him, the pick will be worth a fortune in trades. Barkley is not worth and additional five? additional high draft picks .
If True  
Trainmaster : 4/26/2018 8:52 am : link
Trade with the Jets and drop to 3. Ask for what SF got from Chicago last year or more. Then take Barkley at 3
If true  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 8:54 am : link
The Giants will have the choice of Darnold or Rosen. If they don't take one of them, they're nuts.
RE: If True  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 8:54 am : link
In comment 13932693 Trainmaster said:
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Trade with the Jets and drop to 3. Ask for what SF got from Chicago last year or more. Then take Barkley at 3


Haha.. Word about a surprise qb at one but of course on bbi it's all about Barkley. The Barkley delusion gets revved up. It's not about Barkley. It's about Mayfield.
Do it, Browns  
JonC : 4/26/2018 8:55 am : link
do it.
I think this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/26/2018 8:56 am : link
is the 3rd player Schefter has reported on going to the Browns.

It really is nothing more than reporters moving lips because they have airtime to fill or clicks to generate.
It this is true  
Pete44 : 4/26/2018 8:56 am : link
You take Darnold an thank the football gods that Cleveland was the team picking ahead of us.
RE: If True  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13932693 Trainmaster said:
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Trade with the Jets and drop to 3. Ask for what SF got from Chicago last year or more. Then take Barkley at 3


I doubt the giants/jets make a trade. If Darnold ends up being a franchise QB you know the media backlash this regime will get? Giants/Jets don't make moves like this.

I think this will get the Bills calling up asking for Darnold. Wasn't it reported that if Darnold dropped to #2 the bills would be willing to send 5-6 premium picks to move up to #2?
RE: It this is true  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 8:57 am : link
In comment 13932702 Pete44 said:
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You take Darnold an thank the football gods that Cleveland was the team picking ahead of us.


But Rosen is better than Darnold.
Raanan adding to the mix...  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:58 am : link
https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/989488273088241671


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Definitely something I heard from people around the league yesterday. Theyre expecting Mayfield to go No. 1


if your CLE whats the need to smokescreen the #1 pick?
Why Is Anyone Buying This?  
Giants34 : 4/26/2018 8:58 am : link
It's Still Lyin' Season. Earlier this week, on the Michael Kay show, Mel Kiper said someone he trusted said that it was Trubisky, not Garrett, who would be the #1 pick. On the afternoon of the draft. Obviously that was nonsense. I don't believe a word of this.
So if Darnold is there  
joeinpa : 4/26/2018 8:59 am : link
At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.

Why?
the trade down crowd  
JonC : 4/26/2018 9:01 am : link
believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.
RE: So if Darnold is there  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 9:01 am : link
In comment 13932714 joeinpa said:
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At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.

Why?


Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.
some of the trade down crowd understands  
JonC : 4/26/2018 9:02 am : link
a small move down could be wise, if NYG preferred targets are gone. But, the trade down to #12 for a pile of picks crowd is looking mostly at trying to win in 2018.
RE: the trade down crowd  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 9:03 am : link
In comment 13932720 JonC said:
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.


the real question does DG and Shurmur think they can win now? Not what the fans think. If DG thinks Eli is competitive for a few years (which all signs point to he does). 5-6 premium picks over 1 would make some sense...
I can't see DG trading down  
UberAlias : 4/26/2018 9:04 am : link
With Darnold and Barkley on the board.
I don't believe this for a second...  
Chris684 : 4/26/2018 9:04 am : link
It's gonna be Darnold IMO.
RE: RE: So if Darnold is there  
Giants34 : 4/26/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 13932721 firedbytheboss said:
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In comment 13932714 joeinpa said:


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At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.

Why?



Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.


If we trade down enough in the next 4 or 5 drafts, we could own every pick in the 2030 draft. Don't sell that possibility short. We should trade from 2 to 5, 5 to 12, 12 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, and then 40 for a first rounder next year. That would really help us restock the cupboard.
The Giants Should Benefit From A Bills / Jets  
Trainmaster : 4/26/2018 9:05 am : link
Bidding war.

Id love to get Cleveland in the mix with the 4th overall.

Giants swap 2nd overall with the Jets. Giants trade 3rd overall to the Bills. Giants trade with Cleveland for 4th overall and grab Barkley. Among the wildest scenarios.
Drew Brees would easily be the #1 pick in any draft now  
Torrag : 4/26/2018 9:05 am : link
Russell Wilson? That's the type of player and leader you get with Mayfield. Yeah he's a touch flaky but that's the only knock and they aren't serious red flags.

It comes down to this with him 70% completions and 119 TD v 21 INT over the lasy three sesons. QB rating of 186 over the same time span.

Those numbers arent very good or even great. They are ridiculous, off the charts good.
RE: some of the trade down crowd understands  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 9:05 am : link
In comment 13932724 JonC said:
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a small move down could be wise, if NYG preferred targets are gone. But, the trade down to #12 for a pile of picks crowd is looking mostly at trying to win in 2018.


if Denver and Indy are open to trade down scenarios which has been reported...it could take a lot less to trade up to 5 or 6 with 3-4 QB's off the board...and we can still get a premium player like Chubb/Nelson while holding a few premium assets from BUF.
If Darnold lands in your lap, I don't know  
mikeinbloomfield : 4/26/2018 9:06 am : link
how you don't take him. I guess you could wait until you have a top 2 pick again to take your next QB. NBD.

But look, last year sucked, especially the fifth week against San Diego. I have never been so disinterested in Giants games in December, when I knew they were going to not score and lose.

The payoff is tonight. Our team is going to have its pick of two or three great players, or a haul of picks to rebuild. The only way tonight goes badly is if they take Josh Allen, who has bust written all over him. FUN CITY.
If this is True  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/26/2018 9:06 am : link
Dave 'Te called this on his podcast.

Dave knows his shit. He said that the Browns wouldn't have picked up Tyrod, if they weren't picking a QB with similar qualities and said the most logical choice is Baker Mayfield.
RE: the trade down crowd  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 9:06 am : link
In comment 13932720 JonC said:
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.

Some people still don't understand the point of the draft. Free agency is for filling holes. The draft is for the future.
RE: RE: the trade down crowd  
JonC : 4/26/2018 9:07 am : link
In comment 13932727 mphbullet36 said:
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In comment 13932720 JonC said:


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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.



the real question does DG and Shurmur think they can win now? Not what the fans think. If DG thinks Eli is competitive for a few years (which all signs point to he does). 5-6 premium picks over 1 would make some sense...


That's the problem tho, there's usually a chasm between the actual blue chip talent (only 6-8 in this draft), and then the red chips, and lesser talent.

Talent isn't uniform. Picking at 12, 22, and whatever isn't bringing the premium talent picking in the top 5 should deliver.

I prefer quality over quantity.
Posted this morning  
sphinx : 4/26/2018 9:07 am : link
Daniel Jeremiah (Move the Sticks) have Mayfield going to Browns at #1
RE: RE: RE: So if Darnold is there  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 13932730 Giants34 said:
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In comment 13932721 firedbytheboss said:


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In comment 13932714 joeinpa said:


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At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.

Why?



Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.



If we trade down enough in the next 4 or 5 drafts, we could own every pick in the 2030 draft. Don't sell that possibility short. We should trade from 2 to 5, 5 to 12, 12 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, and then 40 for a first rounder next year. That would really help us restock the cupboard.


I can hardly wait for 2030... We'll surely get the draft pick record.
RE: Posted this morning  
sphinx : 4/26/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 13932742 sphinx said:
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Daniel Jeremiah (Move the Sticks) have Mayfield going to Browns at #1

He adds ...
"I've long said Sam Darnold should be the pick here, but the latest buzz has Mayfield landing at the top."
If this is true  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2018 9:09 am : link
and the Giants don't want Darnold, they had better seriously field offers.
The win now idea id pretty funny  
UberAlias : 4/26/2018 9:09 am : link
Coming off a 3-win season and been bad for a while. If they pick a guy its because they believe he's the best player in the draft. You have to be delusional or not paying attention to this team since '11 to think they're in position to gear up for a run. Reese was fired because his drafts have sucked. He stacked years with next to nothing to show for it, yet some actually believe the roster is ready to make a run. Seriously?
.  
Danny Kanell : 4/26/2018 9:09 am : link
Please make this happen. And then Gettleman, please run to the podium and draft Sam Darnold. Please. TIA.
RE: Could certainly make 2 a more coveted pick,  
barens : 4/26/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13932634 Big Blue '56 said:
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butI dont buy this report for a minute


I don't know, for Schefter to put this out there the day of the draft, I could buy it. I just hope we don't pass on Darnold.
It Is Becoming Apparent to Me That Mock Drafts Are Groupthink  
Giants34 : 4/26/2018 9:12 am : link
One guy says something, the rest fall in line. Anyone notice that? Before it was, if Darnold is there, the Giants would draft him. Now, with everyone mocking Barkley to the Giants, the mantra is Barkley to the Giants anyway, even if Darnold is there. Mock drafts just follow one another. So, now, with one talking head saying Mayfield, the rest of the these guys are saying Mayfield too. One after another.
Giants better run to the podium  
Rflairr : 4/26/2018 9:12 am : link
For Darnold.

Barkley likely falls way to Tampa if this is true
RE: If this is true  
UberAlias : 4/26/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 13932748 Eric from BBI said:
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and the Giants don't want Darnold, they had better seriously field offers.
Honestly, they brought in a HC and OC with reputations of developing QBs. They have Manning in place to buy them a year at least to develop. If they don't think they can turn Darnold into a good QB with his skillsets and qualities, there is never going to be a QB that meets their standards. There is no such thing as a perfect prospect.
RE: RE: the trade down crowd  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 13932736 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13932720 JonC said:


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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.


Some people still don't understand the point of the draft. Free agency is for filling holes. The draft is for the future.


So if the Bills offer you a Hershal Walker type trade...the Cowboys built a dynasty from that trade...through the draft.
RE: the trade down crowd  
Rflairr : 4/26/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 13932720 JonC said:
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.


And be in QB hell
RE: If this is true  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 13932748 Eric from BBI said:
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and the Giants don't want Darnold, they had better seriously field offers.


If giants dont want darnold the second Mayfield is take , you call every team looking for a qb and say give me your best offer or I am taking darnold
I want to trade down because I really dont like the QBs this year  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:14 am : link
Not because I want to win now, I want to get the most picks possible to add as much youth as possible...

RE: The win now idea id pretty funny  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 13932750 UberAlias said:
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Coming off a 3-win season and been bad for a while. If they pick a guy its because they believe he's the best player in the draft. You have to be delusional or not paying attention to this team since '11 to think they're in position to gear up for a run. Reese was fired because his drafts have sucked. He stacked years with next to nothing to show for it, yet some actually believe the roster is ready to make a run. Seriously?


Agreed. I dont see how Gettleman will justify not taking any QB especially with Darnold there. Eli was the second best QB in an Eagles game he saw though.
Hasnt Scot McCloughan  
Rflairr : 4/26/2018 9:16 am : link
Been high on Mayfield, even before he joined the Browns?

But If hes their guy. Im surprised they arent trying to get the Jets to jump the Giants for Darnold.
Baker Mayfield has NFL star written all over him...  
M.S. : 4/26/2018 9:16 am : link

...regardless of where he is taken.

One of his most under-appreciated traits: despite maybe having half a screw loose, this guy is one calm, cool cookie when the game is at its most intense.

He can flat out play for anyone!
RE: RE: The win now idea id pretty funny  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 13932777 mattyblue said:
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In comment 13932750 UberAlias said:


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Coming off a 3-win season and been bad for a while. If they pick a guy its because they believe he's the best player in the draft. You have to be delusional or not paying attention to this team since '11 to think they're in position to gear up for a run. Reese was fired because his drafts have sucked. He stacked years with next to nothing to show for it, yet some actually believe the roster is ready to make a run. Seriously?



Agreed. I dont see how Gettleman will justify not taking any QB especially with Darnold there. Eli was the second best QB in an Eagles game he saw though.


So what if they dont like the QBs, you want them to take one anyway?
RE: Giants better run to the podium  
Danny Kanell : 4/26/2018 9:17 am : link
In comment 13932763 Rflairr said:
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For Darnold.

Barkley likely falls way to Tampa if this is true


I think Cleveland would take him at 4.
RE: RE: If this is true  
Rflairr : 4/26/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 13932766 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13932748 Eric from BBI said:


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and the Giants don't want Darnold, they had better seriously field offers.

Honestly, they brought in a HC and OC with reputations of developing QBs. They have Manning in place to buy them a year at least to develop. If they don't think they can turn Darnold into a good QB with his skillsets and qualities, there is never going to be a QB that meets their standards. There is no such thing as a perfect prospect.


This is such a good point. Why hire Shurmur, if his ability to develop a young QB wasnt his biggest selling point. And then to add Shula whos done a great job at that as well. Darnold with his tools, this coaching, and the ability to sit and learn for a season. How can you ask for a better situation?
EVERYBODY is saying it's Mayfield  
Big Rick in FL : 4/26/2018 9:20 am : link
Schefter, Schrager, Jeremiah, Matt Miller, Bob McGinn, Sy'56, Rapoport. No way all of these guys are wrong.
This team isnt going to do much this year  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 4/26/2018 9:22 am : link
draft for the future...don't think we're 'winning now'.
RE: RE: Giants better run to the podium  
Rflairr : 4/26/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13932784 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13932763 Rflairr said:


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For Darnold.

Barkley likely falls way to Tampa if this is true



I think Cleveland would take him at 4.


Think they wouldnt go with Chubb, opposite Garrett
Baker is a perfect fit for Cleveland...  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 9:24 am : link
A dysfunctional organization investing in the prospect with the most red flags.

RE: This team isnt going to do much this year  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 13932803 Bold Ruler said:
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draft for the future...don't think we're 'winning now'.

I agree with you. I just hope our new GM doesn't truly believe that this team is ready to compete now.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2018 9:26 am : link
I'd be happy with either Darnold or Barkley.
RE: EVERYBODY is saying it's Mayfield  
Giants34 : 4/26/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 13932797 Big Rick in FL said:
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Schefter, Schrager, Jeremiah, Matt Miller, Bob McGinn, Sy'56, Rapoport. No way all of these guys are wrong.


Years ago everyone said it was Reggie Bush to the Texans until it wasn't. Last year the Bears made a shocking trade to get up and get Trubisky.

I told you, this mock draft nonsense is groupthink. One guy says it, they all say it.
This is tough -  
section125 : 4/26/2018 9:27 am : link
I keep running between taking the top guy at #2 and trading to somebody for a boat load of picks - but not moving below #6.
I would take Barkley at #2, but I just don't "feel" Darnold. I could see Rosen, but not Darnold. Guy gives me an uneasy feeling.
Trading to between 4, 5, or 6 gets them, most likely one of Barkley, Chubb or Nelson (with Barkley the least likely after #4.)

As for the Browns taking Mayfield #1, yeah I can see it. Mayfield can start now in the NFL. Darnold, not so much. Rosen can start now, but Mayfield can make plays on the run and has a slightly better medical history. Have to agree that the trade for Taylor would tend to mean Mayfield vs Darnold.
RE: I think this may be a leak to make #4 more valuable.  
TheMick7 : 4/26/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13932676 crackerjack465 said:
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Trying to get teams to think at least one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen will be there, guaranteed.

I'm not sure why else this would leak.


No team is going to make the trade thinking Mayfield is the Browns pick.All teams will wait until the pick is made & then the phone calls would be made. Leaking does nothing to get teams to trade now!
RE: EVERYBODY is saying it's Mayfield  
barens : 4/26/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13932797 Big Rick in FL said:
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Schefter, Schrager, Jeremiah, Matt Miller, Bob McGinn, Sy'56, Rapoport. No way all of these guys are wrong.


Not Mayock, at least not yet.
So the only move for the future  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:28 am : link
Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?

Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year
RE: RE: EVERYBODY is saying it's Mayfield  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 13932826 Giants34 said:
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In comment 13932797 Big Rick in FL said:


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Schefter, Schrager, Jeremiah, Matt Miller, Bob McGinn, Sy'56, Rapoport. No way all of these guys are wrong.



Years ago everyone said it was Reggie Bush to the Texans until it wasn't. Last year the Bears made a shocking trade to get up and get Trubisky.

I told you, this mock draft nonsense is groupthink. One guy says it, they all say it.


Not true everyone knew mario William's was the pick a few days before the draft because they started negotiations with him..
If Mayfiel goes #1 and Darnold goes #2,  
Brown Recluse : 4/26/2018 9:29 am : link
I'll be happy.

If Darnold goes #1, and Barkley goes #2 - I'll be happy.
No way in hell...  
Zepp : 4/26/2018 9:30 am : link
This is classic misinformation to see if the Jets will trade up to 1.
This either 1) Legit or  
UberAlias : 4/26/2018 9:30 am : link
2) a deliberate leak. I'm not sure why that would be though.
RE: So the only move for the future  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 13932831 nygiants16 said:
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?

Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year


Whos more valuable to team

Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?
a lot are down on Darnold lately  
micky : 4/26/2018 9:32 am : link
small hands, inaccuracy, weaker arm, etc

so it makes sense Baker and Allen are top on some lists
RE: No way in hell...  
UberAlias : 4/26/2018 9:32 am : link
In comment 13932840 Zepp said:
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This is classic misinformation to see if the Jets will trade up to 1.
Why would they want that? Jets aren't resource rich at this point. So they can settle for a QB and hope their non-QB falls? I don't see it at all. They've been accumulating draft picks for years and have a ton. What they need now is great players.
Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
Tanker20 : 4/26/2018 9:33 am : link
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
RE: RE: So the only move for the future  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 13932845 dep026 said:
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?

Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year



Whos more valuable to team

Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?


I am not saying what is mor valuable, what I am saying is you dont take a qb for the sake of taking a qb...

Just because you have a high pick doesnt mean it has to be a qb, you take the player who you think will be the best player..
If the Giants still pass on Darnold  
AcesUp : 4/26/2018 9:34 am : link
I'll have a hard time buying that they didn't like ANY of these 4 QBs. It's much more plausible that they just liked Darnold here and didn't see it in the other 3 prospects. However, if they still pass on the QB, that tells me that they aren't prioritizing the position and I would have an issue with that line of thinking.
RE: RE: So the only move for the future  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 13932845 dep026 said:
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?

Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year



Whos more valuable to team

Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?


And if you want to take that stance...

LT or simms?
RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 13932851 Tanker20 said:
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.


It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
RE: RE: RE: So the only move for the future  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 9:36 am : link
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?

Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year



Whos more valuable to team

Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?



I am not saying what is mor valuable, what I am saying is you dont take a qb for the sake of taking a qb...

Just because you have a high pick doesnt mean it has to be a qb, you take the player who you think will be the best player..


There's probably no position in all of sports as important as QB. If you think the pick can be your QB for a decade or more, you take the QB.
RE: RE: RE: So the only move for the future  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 9:36 am : link
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?

Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year



Whos more valuable to team

Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?



I am not saying what is mor valuable, what I am saying is you dont take a qb for the sake of taking a qb...

Just because you have a high pick doesnt mean it has to be a qb, you take the player who you think will be the best player..


Even if a RB/DE/OL may be viewed better, you still take the QB who yo usee you can build a franchise around. Barkley and Chubb may be viewed as better players, but how much better is the question.
Worn Out  
Jeffrey : 4/26/2018 9:36 am : link
It's finally happened-- just let it end. Wanted Webb to get his shot at the end of last season but the owner pulled an about-face, took the easy way out in firing the bumbling coach and GM and allowed fan outrage over Eli's treatment to rule the day. Picked the "safe choice" at GM, endorsed the aging QB and reaffirmed his faith in the guy he wanted to sit down just a few months ago and now heading into the biggest draft in 14 years with very little idea what they have in Webb, and hoping/praying that Eli's last 5 years were someone else's fault and not the natural progression of age so they can take the safe choice at RB. Hope their right. Really hope I'm wrong. Hope it all ends soon.
Dep all I am saying is  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:36 am : link
If you dont view any of the QBs as franchise guys you dont take them...
If they view darnold as the guy  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:37 am : link
Take him I have no problem with it
RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13932864 nygiants16 said:
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..


I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
RE: Dep all I am saying is  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13932870 nygiants16 said:
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If you dont view any of the QBs as franchise guys you dont take them...


Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.
Too bad. Mayfield is the pic I was hoping for.  
Mike in Prescott : 4/26/2018 9:38 am : link
Not that I actually think that the Giants would make that pic. But still, he is the one I was hoping for. That or a trade down.

If Darnold is there, I think I would take a king's ransom, trade down, and rebuild both lines.
RE: RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:40 am : link
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..



I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...


Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...
RE: RE: Dep all I am saying is  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 13932882 dep026 said:
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If you dont view any of the QBs as franchise guys you dont take them...



Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.


And that is fine like I said, I would be perfectly fine with darnold if they feel he can be that guy
RE: RE: RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 9:42 am : link
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..



I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...



Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...


A lot of folks think this is a very strong QB class. YOu could have 6 in the first round.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 9:42 am : link
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..



I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...



Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...


Sy's rankings say otherwise...
6in the first round doesnt make it a great class  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:43 am : link
Quality over quantity, QBs will always be rated higher, all things equal and no chance these 4 guys go in the top 5...

If DG passes over Darnold and Rosen  
Essex : 4/26/2018 9:44 am : link
he better no what the heck he is doing.
Re: All the take a QB if there  
cjd2404 : 4/26/2018 9:45 am : link

I get the QB is the most important position on the team. However, you just don't pick the next guy.

There is more to a QB for a franchise than just his playing ability. By default this guy is going to be your franchise's face. So his off field persona is just as important as well as many other factors.

That being said, *I* believe that once you decide on a QB that is the only guy you select at #2. There was a reason you slotted a guy at #1 on your board vs a different QB, and that reason might not be because of ability.

Now if your #2 guy fell into the second round, then maybe you can say he is worth a shot as BPA.

Certainly DG will have his 3 guys up for discussion, and if their guy at QB is picked, I'm not so sure they just slide in another QB
NY16  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 9:46 am : link
Jets have traded up without knowing who will be there.
Bills are doing everything in the power to trade up
Browns, Broncos, Giants, Arizona, Miami have all been linked to QBs

You will have at least 5 go in the top 15.

This class is very, very coveted. The overanalyzing by these experts is just to get their name out there and say I told you so if one of them or more do busts. But these QBs have lots of positives.
RE: RE: Dep all I am saying is  
bigbluescot : 4/26/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13932882 dep026 said:
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If you dont view any of the QBs as franchise guys you dont take them...



Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.


I don't see it at all with Darnold. He looks a world beater on a rollout but in the pocket his fundamentals are all over the shop, from the way he holds the ball to his unbelievably shitty footwork.
I'm in the "trade down crowd"  
Dnew15 : 4/26/2018 9:47 am : link
For a couple of reasons:
1.) I don't love the idea any of the QB's for the NYG. There's something about those west coast guys playing in New York in Nov/Dec that scare the hell out of me and Mayfield and Allen are such boom/bust guys that investing a #2 pick in either seems too dicey.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY
2.) This roster is full of holes. The NYG have one of the most limited, least versatile, aging rosters in the NFL. They need capable bodies and can't keep running JAGS out there and expecting different results. I just like the idea of adding more talent to a roster that, as a whole, lacks depth and quality.
RE: RE: Giants better run to the podium  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2018 9:49 am : link
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For Darnold.

Barkley likely falls way to Tampa if this is true



I think Cleveland would take him at 4.


John Dorsey has never been part of a team that has drafted a RB in Round 1
RE: NY16  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 9:49 am : link
In comment 13932921 dep026 said:
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Jets have traded up without knowing who will be there.
Bills are doing everything in the power to trade up
Browns, Broncos, Giants, Arizona, Miami have all been linked to QBs

You will have at least 5 go in the top 15.

This class is very, very coveted. The overanalyzing by these experts is just to get their name out there and say I told you so if one of them or more do busts. But these QBs have lots of positives.


So teams desperate for a qb are trying to trade up? News at 11..

It happens every year, teams over value the QB and they are taken high even if they have flaws...

It may one day end up being a great class, me personally I just dont see it, to me there is no sure fire bet in this class
Imagine if NYG passed on Darnold & Barkley  
Sean : 4/26/2018 9:50 am : link
for Chubb.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 9:52 am : link
Things are going to be mighty interesting if this is true.

I'm still torn on Darnold.

Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.

There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.
RE: Imagine if NYG passed on Darnold & Barkley  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 9:55 am : link
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could be an ideal scenario  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 9:59 am : link
Bills deal 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65 plus 2019 1st round pick to giants for #2, and Flowers

Giants then deal 12, 53, and 56 to Denver or Indy for the #5 or #6 pick. (get one of Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson).

So basically walk away with Barkley/Chubb/Nelson + 22 + 65 + 2019 1st round pick

That would be a great scenario right there.
RE: a lot are down on Darnold lately  
barens : 4/26/2018 9:59 am : link
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small hands, inaccuracy, weaker arm, etc

so it makes sense Baker and Allen are top on some lists


Really? Since when? I didn't hear those concerns with Darnold. Just some inconsistencies, but he's plenty accurate, and he's got a good arm.
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Jon in NYC : 4/26/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 13932945 arcarsenal said:
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Things are going to be mighty interesting if this is true.

I'm still torn on Darnold.

Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.

There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.


Fwiw, his INT rate was pretty low. He just fumbled a lot.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 10:02 am : link
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Things are going to be mighty interesting if this is true.

I'm still torn on Darnold.

Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.

There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.



Fwiw, his INT rate was pretty low. He just fumbled a lot.


Yeah, it's the fumbling - and as we've seen with #10, it's not always something that improves over time. So, it's definitely a concern for me. Not THE reason I'd not draft him - just one of a few things that give me trepidation.
Come draft day, everyone hates all the QBs.  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2018 10:03 am : link
It's amazing there are any good QBs playing in the NFL.
If the Giants do not like any of these QBs  
Jimmy Googs : 4/26/2018 10:03 am : link
then they certainly won't like any next year, and I have no idea how they could like who they have on their roster now at the position.

Fish or cut bait...
RE: Come draft day, everyone hates all the QBs.  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 10:04 am : link
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It's amazing there are any good QBs playing in the NFL.


They all suck! :)
RE: Come draft day, everyone hates all the QBs.  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 10:05 am : link
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It's amazing there are any good QBs playing in the NFL.


Eh, this is pure hyperbole.

This is a strong class - but it's worth pointing out flaws. This is a huge, franchise-altering investment.
Oh, it's definitely hyperbole.  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2018 10:07 am : link
I'm anxious about all of them too, but if we wind up with Darnold I'm going to remind myself he would've been the #1 overall pick in last year's draft, and next year's draft - then I'll go watch some Rose Bowl highlights against Penn State.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 10:10 am : link
I definitely won't be mad about Darnold at all. It's nowhere near a remote-thrower (I hate that I even just used that term...) for me.

I do worry about the things I pointed out as well as the fact that the last 3 highly-touted SC QB's all busted.

But Darnold definitely has some major pluses. That kid is like a moose. The durability will be there. He can handle the spotlight. He does have a strong arm and can make some incredible throws on the run.

The mechanics are just wonky and sloppy at times - but if NYG feel that's all correctable, he has a very high ceiling.
It'll be Darnold  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2018 10:11 am : link
forget about the noise about Mayfield.
RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
Bruner4329 : 4/26/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 13932851 Tanker20 said:
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?




Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.


Yeah and all those coaches were fired because they were incompetent.
I still don't believe it  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2018 10:18 am : link
Schefter has had every QB going to the Browns at 1. All these guys are just parroting what they heard from others.

Besides, this is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE for us Giants fans.

Giants could really clean up if this happens. Whether they take Darnold or trade down.
RE: I still don't believe it  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 10:22 am : link
In comment 13933044 ZogZerg said:
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Schefter has had every QB going to the Browns at 1. All these guys are just parroting what they heard from others.

Besides, this is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE for us Giants fans.

Giants could really clean up if this happens. Whether they take Darnold or trade down.


Except schefter is not the only one saying it
Unique Moment to be Too Cute  
EB222 : 4/26/2018 10:25 am : link
If Mayfield is Cleveland's pick, and there is a feeding frenzy for Donald, why not
gamble a bit that you can get Rosen, or Chubb, or Barkley at a slightly lower position?

This may mirror the "Draft Day" movie a bit too closely, but would make sense
if the Giants value any or all those players very highly.

B. Chubb and a bunch of additional high picks is pretty damned enticing.

Regardless, at a brief moment at around 8:20 PM, the Giants will live in interesting,
and perilous, times.

What the hell, shake it up! Throw the dice!
RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
Justlurking : 4/26/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 13932851 Tanker20 said:
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.


Its complete insanity. People want to cling on to Eli and have lost all objectivity when it comes to him. Great franchises know its better to be a year early than a year late when it comes to succession planning. Unfortunately for the Giants, that was 2016. They need a QB here (provided they believe in one of these QBs). If they do not believe in one, they have to trade back.
RE: RE: I still don't believe it  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13933063 nygiants16 said:
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Schefter has had every QB going to the Browns at 1. All these guys are just parroting what they heard from others.

Besides, this is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE for us Giants fans.

Giants could really clean up if this happens. Whether they take Darnold or trade down.



Except schefter is not the only one saying it



Exactly - he is just "parroting" what he others have reported so people don't forget about him. Point is, him tweeting this means nothing.
i dont understand  
jintz4life : 4/26/2018 10:31 am : link
how any nfl decision maker can justify passing on both darnold and rosen to take a rb when you see where the game is moving on offense and the relative cap hits for rookie rbs and qbs to the rest of their position groups notwithstanding the fact the current qb is 37 years old and has had one winning season in the last five years

this could potentially big the biggest draft blunder since they took someone with one working eye in the top 10
RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
Giants34 : 4/26/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13933076 Justlurking said:
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



Its complete insanity. People want to cling on to Eli and have lost all objectivity when it comes to him. Great franchises know its better to be a year early than a year late when it comes to succession planning. Unfortunately for the Giants, that was 2016. They need a QB here (provided they believe in one of these QBs). If they do not believe in one, they have to trade back.


I agree. Yet the BBI Twitter poll has 49% of people wanting Barkley and only 41% wanting ANY QB. It is absolutely astounding to me. Do people not understand the importance of a QB in today's NFL? Barkley is not bringing this team to the promised land. A QB in this draft very well could. But we should forego that guy and - even worse - let this guy go to the Jets and watch him possibly become a franchise QB for a team that shares the same stadium? For a RB. Wow.
RE: i dont understand  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 10:33 am : link
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how any nfl decision maker can justify passing on both darnold and rosen to take a rb when you see where the game is moving on offense and the relative cap hits for rookie rbs and qbs to the rest of their position groups notwithstanding the fact the current qb is 37 years old and has had one winning season in the last five years

this could potentially big the biggest draft blunder since they took someone with one working eye in the top 10


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If I were a Browns fan, I'd start prepping for Mayfield.

I was wrong on Darnold.
RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2018 10:38 am : link
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..

There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
RE: RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..


There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.


And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...
Wow, even Allbright flipped.  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2018 10:42 am : link
I guess this has some legs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2018 10:42 am : link
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..


There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.



And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...

There are no surefire anythings in any draft, and if that's your threshold for picking a player, you might as well mimic the Vikings and pass. All prospects have warts. Based on sheer volume alone, at least one of these QBs and most likely multiple QBs in this class WILL emerge as franchise QBs. That's just probability.
There are no sure fire players in any draft  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 10:43 am : link
you can just base it on what they can do and speculate on what they can be.
RE: There are no sure fire players in any draft  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2018 10:44 am : link
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you can just base it on what they can do and speculate on what they can be.

Look at us agreeing, dep - it's a draft day miracle!
Absolutely there is a risk with every player  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 10:45 am : link
But there are high risk picks and low risk picks...

To me there are no low risk picks of the qbs
RE: Imagine if NYG passed on Darnold & Barkley  
sharpshooter66 : 4/26/2018 10:46 am : link
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for Chubb.


Id be fine with that because then obviously they think hes the BPA
I have a hard time believing any team, even yes the Browns, would  
PatersonPlank : 4/26/2018 10:47 am : link
take Mayfield over Darnold. I guess they like being the laughing stock of the NFL.
RE: Absolutely there is a risk with every player  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2018 10:47 am : link
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But there are high risk picks and low risk picks...

To me there are no low risk picks of the qbs

You have to measure the context of the QB flaws being low hanging fruit for the current clickbait media environment and social media echo chamber. These QBs are no more flawed than any other prospects in the draft; they're just more likely to have stories written about them that generate clicks.

You know what's really high risk? Not having a QB.
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dep026 : 4/26/2018 10:47 am : link
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you can just base it on what they can do and speculate on what they can be.


Look at us agreeing, dep - it's a draft day miracle!


Lets hug it out...
We need a future qb  
Marty866b : 4/26/2018 10:49 am : link
Eli is either done or just about. Not everyone is Brady or Brees. If the Giants like Darnold,pick him. If not, trade down and if need be, trade back up and pick Nelson,or a quarterback.There is no running back in the universe who would be worth what we might be able to pick up in a trade.
I would have more faith in the Giants  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2018 10:50 am : link
developing a talented young QB than I would the Jets or Browns. Last year's nightmare aside, we typically create the right environment for guys to flourish. We also hired a coach with a rep for maximizing the potential of QBs. Put a talented, driven kid like Darnold in the QB room with Manning for a year, and let Shurmur develop him - I'm sure we'd all be pleased with the results.
RE: RE: RE: There are no sure fire players in any draft  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2018 10:51 am : link
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you can just base it on what they can do and speculate on what they can be.


Look at us agreeing, dep - it's a draft day miracle!



Lets hug it out...

I'm glad you left out the last word of that quote. But yes, let's.
RE: RE: Absolutely there is a risk with every player  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13933153 Gatorade Dunk said:
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But there are high risk picks and low risk picks...

To me there are no low risk picks of the qbs


You have to measure the context of the QB flaws being low hanging fruit for the current clickbait media environment and social media echo chamber. These QBs are no more flawed than any other prospects in the draft; they're just more likely to have stories written about them that generate clicks.

You know what's really high risk? Not having a QB.


You know what else is extremely high risk? Missing on this pick..

Whoever the giants pick they better hit on it...

And just for the record I wont ne mad if they take a qb, as long as he was the guy they wanted...
They told the agent  
Rflairr : 4/26/2018 10:57 am : link
And the agent is telling all the reporters. Its Baker
Yes, by all means, the risk is high the Giants  
Jimmy Googs : 4/26/2018 11:00 am : link
pick the QB they don't want...
RE: They told the agent  
bigbluescot : 4/26/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 13933197 Rflairr said:
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And the agent is telling all the reporters. Its Baker


That's normally what happens, you want to build the relationship with the pick at 1 by removing some of the uncertainty for them. Goff said his agent basically heard a week before the draft that he was going 1.

The Giants are essentially on the clock now.
Sounds  
Jon in NYC : 4/26/2018 11:01 am : link
like a lot of smoke behind this one. If it doesnt happen the Browns really kept this tight lipped.
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ZogZerg : 4/26/2018 11:02 am : link
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If I were a Browns fan, I'd start prepping for Mayfield.

I was wrong on Darnold.


LOL - How many more times will he change his mind before tonight? Someone on BBI was right with they said he didn't know anything yesterday.
I'm officially as anxious now  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2018 11:03 am : link
as I was leading up to the 2004 draft. So much at stake with these picks.
Ourlads  
JesseS : 4/26/2018 11:05 am : link
a pretty darn good draft scouting service, ranks Mayfield way above any other QB and the second highest prospect in the draft, after Barkley.
If I had to guess  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 11:05 am : link
Hue Jackson has been running his mouth.
RE: If I had to guess  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 11:06 am : link
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Hue Jackson has been running his mouth.


More than likely it is the agent, highly doubt jackson is spreading this
RE: Ourlads  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13933228 JesseS said:
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a pretty darn good draft scouting service, ranks Mayfield way above any other QB and the second highest prospect in the draft, after Barkley.


PFF loves him too. Not for me, but who knows.
If this is true  
Chef : 4/26/2018 11:08 am : link
I hope Gettleman takes his phone off the hook...
Maybe they are just trying to induce the Jets  
Reb8thVA : 4/26/2018 11:08 am : link
to trade up calculating the Giants aren't taking a QB?

RE: If this is true  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2018 11:10 am : link
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I hope Gettleman takes his phone off the hook...


Same here. Screw these trade down scenarios - I doubt the Giants were in on Mayfield, so the Browns are essentially handing you the top pick of your draft.
If the Browns take Baker  
illmatic : 4/26/2018 11:10 am : link
I fully expect the Giants to trade down. Especially if word is really leaking early in the day and the Giants have all day to work the phones. They can get a massive haul for Darnold at 2.

Unless, of course, the Giants are in love with him or another player at that spot.
RE: the trade down crowd  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 11:11 am : link
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.


I see it differently; I think a trade down makes sense in a draft where I don't think there's a big difference (if there is at all) between the supposed blue chips and the next level.

The "win now" move, I think, is to draft Barkley.
If this is true & NYG passes on Darnold and Rosen..  
Sean : 4/26/2018 11:13 am : link
it feels like they never intended to go QB which is ashame.
RE: If DG passes over Darnold and Rosen  
Danny80 : 4/26/2018 11:17 am : link
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he better no what the heck he is doing.


I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.

And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.
RE: If this is true & NYG passes on Darnold and Rosen..  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 11:21 am : link
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it feels like they never intended to go QB which is ashame.


Yup. I could live with Chubb at #2, but Barkley would be difficult to defend, IMO.

To me it's either take a QB or trade down.
I am remaining hopeful about a QB at 2  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 11:21 am : link
I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?
RE: If the Giants do not like any of these QBs  
CGiants07 : 4/26/2018 11:22 am : link
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then they certainly won't like any next year, and I have no idea how they could like who they have on their roster now at the position.

Fish or cut bait...


What do we have in Webb is the elephant in the room
RE: RE: If the Giants do not like any of these QBs  
jv : 4/26/2018 11:27 am : link
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What do we have in Webb is the elephant in the room


It's a pretty tiny Elephant IMO. Raanan posted earlier today that 2 of 11 QBs from the 3rd Round in the previous 10 years are real starters. That's pretty tough odds. On top of that, can you really put a whole lot of faith on the previous regime's ability to draft talent? If Webb turns out to be anything that's a bonus but at this point it's not worth altering any draft decisions.
Mike Lombardi's Twitter...  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 11:29 am : link
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Everyone I am talking to in the NFL hear the Browns will take Mayfield but all of them cannot believe it's true--same with me

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RE: RE: the trade down crowd  
PatersonPlank : 4/26/2018 11:31 am : link
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.



I see it differently; I think a trade down makes sense in a draft where I don't think there's a big difference (if there is at all) between the supposed blue chips and the next level.

The "win now" move, I think, is to draft Barkley.


Agree. The "trade down" scenario signals a bigger rebuild to me. More players to fill more holes. Barkley is the win now selection. Plug him right in.
RE: RE: If DG passes over Darnold and Rosen  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 11:31 am : link
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he better no what the heck he is doing.



I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.

And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.


Barkley is a much better runner than McCaffrey. CMac is like Duke Johnson - more of a receiver than a RB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Us Not taking a QB Would be crazy  
Danny80 : 4/26/2018 11:31 am : link
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.

Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?

Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.



It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..


There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.



And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...


You can't guarantee anything. You can't guarantee Barkley won't tear an ACL in his first pre-season game like Ki-Jana Carter sadly did. I mean, what about the North Caroline State DE Kentavius Street who tore his ACL just working out for the Giants? You also can't guarantee that he'll be anything more than Christian McCaffrey or Reggie Bush. Not bad, but not amazing.

One thing you can say for sure is that Josh Rosen has proven he can play the position of QB the way an NFL QB is supposed to. That's why he's my choice. A college QB who has proven he can play an NFL caliber and style game in the most important position in sports. You can't guarantee he won't get a bad concussion or tear something in his shoulder and have to retire, either. Weighing the risks though, the benefit of hitting on a franchise QB is just so much higher than the benefit of hitting on even an Hall of Fame RB. Darnold is a bit riskier, but still totally worth the risk.
Charlie Casserly  
Marty866b : 4/26/2018 11:38 am : link
An ex GM who really knows his stuff was just gushing over Darnold and said he is far and away the best quarterback from this group and can't believe that the Browns aren't picking him.
If the Giants select Barkley they must think that he's on the level of a OJ Simpson,Gale Sayers,Barry Sanders,etc. BTW,those great runners never won anything.
Trade down  
AcesUp : 4/26/2018 11:55 am : link
I'm in the QB or trade down crowd, advocating grabbing a future 1 from Buffalo if they're in the mix. Hardly "win now". IMO, it's about maximizing value. To use a poker analogy, we're sitting on a full house at #2 and they don't come around often. I'm looking to double my money when I have a monster hand, not just win the hand. And I just don't see how a player that isn't a QB offering that kind of return. I love Barkley and I love Chubb, I just see more upside in moving out of the pick and collecting more value. You can still get your guy too, you're just taking on a little more risk but for what can be a huge return.
RE: RE: RE: If DG passes over Darnold and Rosen  
Danny80 : 4/26/2018 11:55 am : link
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he better no what the heck he is doing.



I may become a Jets fan if he takes Barkley over Rosen or Darnold, and the Jets takes one of those guys, especially Rosen. I just can't get my head around taking Barkley at #2 with these QBs available, given the state of the NY Giants right now. They're not one RB away from a Super Bowl team, they're just not. Way too many holes on this team. Unless the Giants are absolutely terrible in two or three years, they will not have another chance to draft a franchise QB. Even a bad team with no franchise QB can be just good enough to be out of QB-drafting range.

And Barkley isn't Leonard Fournette or Ezekiel Elliot. He's not going to grind out 4 yards a clip, wear the opposing defense down in the second half -- that's not his game. His upside is a better Christian McCaffrey. Not a bad player by any means, but I don't think you can rely on him to run the clock down when you're up 7 with 11 minutes left in the game.



Barkley is a much better runner than McCaffrey. CMac is like Duke Johnson - more of a receiver than a RB.


Possibly, but McCaffrey was a great running back in college. He was a really good receiver too, but he ran between the tackles, he did it all as a pure runner. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think in college, McCaffrey was a legit pure running back.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 11:58 am : link
McCaffrey is too small to pound it between the tackles in the NFL. He got stuffed every time they tried - it didn't work at all.

He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.

Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.
RE: I am remaining hopeful about a QB at 2  
JonC : 4/26/2018 12:47 pm : link
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I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?


I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.
RE: RE: I am remaining hopeful about a QB at 2  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2018 12:49 pm : link
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I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?



I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.


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Everyone seems convinced its Baker to Cleveland. Im sticking with Darnold. Well see in a few hours!


Guess I'm in the minority as I think it's Darnold still at 1.
RE: RE: I am remaining hopeful about a QB at 2  
Sean : 4/26/2018 12:50 pm : link
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I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?



I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.


Like and conviction to take is different. I hope they take him.
I think Darnold goes #1 as well  
JonC : 4/26/2018 12:51 pm : link
but shit gets really interesting if the Browns pass ...
Correct, whether they pick Darnold  
JonC : 4/26/2018 12:51 pm : link
is not clear.
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jeff57 : 4/26/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13933543 arcarsenal said:
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McCaffrey is too small to pound it between the tackles in the NFL. He got stuffed every time they tried - it didn't work at all.

He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.

Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.


Despite the weight, Barkley doesn't like to run it between the tackles and prefers to look to kick it outside.
RE: I think Darnold goes #1 as well  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2018 12:52 pm : link
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but shit gets really interesting if the Browns pass ...


I agree Jon, Haslam was so wowed at Darnold's pro day, that I don't see him signing off on any other QB.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 12:53 pm : link
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McCaffrey is too small to pound it between the tackles in the NFL. He got stuffed every time they tried - it didn't work at all.

He's 5'11" and barely over 200lbs.

Barkley is like 30lbs heavier than McCaffrey and much stronger. He's much better built to handle those types of runs even though that's not where he's going to make his money.



Despite the weight, Barkley doesn't like to run it between the tackles and prefers to look to kick it outside.


He didn't need to - he was quick enough to beat everyone off the edge and run around them.

He can run between the tackles if he's asked to. He's strong enough and big enough.
Huge shift in betting line  
shyster : 4/26/2018 12:58 pm : link
to Mayfield.

He is now odds-on minus 175 favorite at betonline.

Two days ago he was plus 400; at the height of the "it's Darnold or Allen" thinking Mayfield was as high as plus 3300.

Darnold was minus 270 two days ago and has been minus 175 or better for the last month. He is now plus 100.

The money is talking; we'll see.
Mayfield  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2018 1:01 pm : link
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By Nate Ulrich
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The buzz about the Browns drafting Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield at No. 1 overall shortly after 8 p.m. Thursday night is deafening.

But for what its worth, as of late Thursday morning, Mayfields camp had yet to hear anything from the Browns, a person familiar with the situation told the Beacon Journal/Ohio.com.

Link - ( New Window )
I love all these BBi experts  
George from PA : 4/26/2018 1:04 pm : link
None of know better then the NFL guys.

None of us.....

Who knows how many of these QBs will win Super Bowls...

Who knows how many of these non-QBs will win Super Bowls....

I am sure we will have a ton of 20/20 hindsight guys. I love the possible x-Giants, new Jets fans good luck

but for now, the real Giants...should enjoy the new toys
And stop over thinking the future
And let's hope this team can turn it around.....
RE: RE: If this is true & NYG passes on Darnold and Rosen..  
Rflairr : 4/26/2018 1:08 pm : link
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it feels like they never intended to go QB which is ashame.



Yup. I could live with Chubb at #2, but Barkley would be difficult to defend, IMO.

To me it's either take a QB or trade down.


Absolutely agree.
RE: RE: I am remaining hopeful about a QB at 2  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 1:09 pm : link
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In comment 13933308 Jay on the Island said:


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I find it very interesting that JonC hasn't heard a peep about any of the QB's in the draft. DG has openly gushed about Barkley on numerous occasions. If Barkley is the guy why risk losing him by showing your love for him?



I've heard in the past hour Darnold is the one QB the Giants like.

Thanks for sharing JonC. So it appears things are playing out just as you predicted.
Mayfield, again  
sphinx : 4/26/2018 1:15 pm : link
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It's my feeling, barring any unexpected new info or proposals surfacing & based off multiple conversations I've had on & off the record up through the crack of dawn this am, that the #Browns have settled on Okla QB Baker Mayfield for the #1 pick in the #NFL Draft tonight at 8pm.

12:46pm 26 Apr 2018
Jay  
JonC : 4/26/2018 1:19 pm : link
We'll see if word begins to settle down now but shit has been changing over the past 24 hours.
RE: Mayfield  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2018 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13933793 GFAN52 said:
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By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal/Ohio.com
The buzz about the Browns drafting Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield at No. 1 overall shortly after 8 p.m. Thursday night is deafening.

But for what its worth, as of late Thursday morning, Mayfields camp had yet to hear anything from the Browns, a person familiar with the situation told the Beacon Journal/Ohio.com.

Link - ( New Window )


What would they expect Mayfield's camp to say???
Yes, the Browns called and I'm #1?
Jesus H., they are not going to tell the media this directly.
RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13933844 JonC said:
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We'll see if word begins to settle down now but shit has been changing over the past 24 hours.

Can you elaborate?
I heard things yesterday, shared it last night  
JonC : 4/26/2018 1:27 pm : link
but now the shift to Mayfield at #1 muddies the water at the top.
What kind of nonsense is this?  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 1:28 pm : link
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Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.


It's a secret ... but there is "a mounting belief from ... GMs around the league"

Soooo... Schefter has access to the inside thinking of "GMs around the league" ... and, even if he did, wtf do they know about CLE intentions?

There's steam still coming off that load of crap
RE: What kind of nonsense is this?  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13933868 baadbill said:
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Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.



It's a secret ... but there is "a mounting belief from ... GMs around the league"

Soooo... Schefter has access to the inside thinking of "GMs around the league" ... and, even if he did, wtf do they know about CLE intentions?

There's steam still coming off that load of crap


Another words it could still be Darnold to Browns as I think it will.
Wondering if maybe this  
chopperhatch : 4/26/2018 1:59 pm : link
is due to the Giants claiming to draft Barkley at 2 and this is the only way Browns can get their pipe dream of Barkley and a QB.

Please let it be true........
RE: Wondering if maybe this  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13933988 chopperhatch said:
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is due to the Giants claiming to draft Barkley at 2 and this is the only way Browns can get their pipe dream of Barkley and a QB.

Please let it be true........

What it could come down to is whether the Browns would rather have:
Darnold and Chubb
or
Mayfield and Barkley
RE: What kind of nonsense is this?  
nygiants16 : 4/26/2018 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13933868 baadbill said:
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Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.



It's a secret ... but there is "a mounting belief from ... GMs around the league"

Soooo... Schefter has access to the inside thinking of "GMs around the league" ... and, even if he did, wtf do they know about CLE intentions?

There's steam still coming off that load of crap


This would be true if shefter was the only one reporting it
RE: Wondering if maybe this  
adamg : 4/26/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13933988 chopperhatch said:
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is due to the Giants claiming to draft Barkley at 2 and this is the only way Browns can get their pipe dream of Barkley and a QB.

Please let it be true........
You mean they'd let Darnold fall to the Giants so Barkley falls to them?
Cleveland beat reporter still thinks it's Darnold as do I  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2018 2:18 pm : link
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By Chris Fedor, cleveland.com

1. Cleveland Browns
Sam Darnold, QB, USC
Baker Mayfield is very much in the conversation and the front office's affinity for him has been apparent for quite some time. When new General Manager John Dorsey described his QB in a pre-draft press conference last week -- accuracy, success in the red zone, winner -- it sounded a lot like Mayfield. But I'm still skeptical the Browns pull the trigger at No. 1 on the "exception to the rule." I'm sticking with Darnold.
RE: RE: Wondering if maybe this  
chopperhatch : 4/26/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13934050 adamg said:
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In comment 13933988 chopperhatch said:


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is due to the Giants claiming to draft Barkley at 2 and this is the only way Browns can get their pipe dream of Barkley and a QB.

Please let it be true........

You mean they'd let Darnold fall to the Giants so Barkley falls to them?


Correct. If they feel their is a negligible preference between the two QBs, but know the only player we would take at two would be Barkley unless Darnold was there and that the Jets are going to take "a QB" and the only way to guarantee the QB AND Barkley would be to go another QB route, then maybe they go with their 2nd choice.

Remember, this is a team with ONE win in 2 years. They need to start competing ASAP and Mayfield might be the most ready prospect of them all.
Interesting.  
Ryan in Albany : 4/26/2018 2:48 pm : link
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Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.
Even more betting money  
shyster : 4/26/2018 3:02 pm : link
coming in on Mayfield.

Now a prohibitive odds-on minus 450 favorite at betonline.

Darnold has slipped to plus 175.

RE: RE: Mayfield  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13933845 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 13933793 GFAN52 said:


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By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal/Ohio.com
The buzz about the Browns drafting Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield at No. 1 overall shortly after 8 p.m. Thursday night is deafening.

But for what its worth, as of late Thursday morning, Mayfields camp had yet to hear anything from the Browns, a person familiar with the situation told the Beacon Journal/Ohio.com.

Link - ( New Window )



What would they expect Mayfield's camp to say???
Yes, the Browns called and I'm #1?
Jesus H., they are not going to tell the media this directly.


It's happened before, but that was before the draft rules were adjusted. Teams used to talk contracts with #1 picks well in advance. Not sure when the last time that happened is.
Whats the latest here?  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 4:41 pm : link
I flipped past the NFL network earlier and they were talking as if this was all but a done deal. I figured I would see more information here if it was. I really wouldnt be surprised if they went with Mayfield. If I was a Browns fan it would be nice for someone to say they wanted to come there and that they were gonna be the one to turn it around.

Anyways, I just was wondering what the latest here was?
Baker  
AcesUp : 4/26/2018 4:44 pm : link
Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.
RE: Baker  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13934608 AcesUp said:
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Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.


Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)
Browns might want Mayfield and Barkley  
ArtVandelay : 4/26/2018 6:22 pm : link
and figure best chance is taking Baker first. Maybe worried Jets take Baker and assume Giants really prefer Darnold/Rosen over Barkley.
Only Cleveland could fuck this up  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 6:24 pm : link
The only bigger possible fuckup would be us passing on Darnold for Barkley.
I like rosen  
djm : 4/26/2018 6:26 pm : link
But if the giants like darnold I trust them with shurmur. Hes certainly got the size.

But man I really like rosen..
I still like Jackson best  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 6:30 pm : link
And both Dave Te and Mike Lombardi say the same.
Don't get the Jackson love  
Walt in MD : 4/26/2018 6:37 pm : link
Low wonderlic, noodle arm. Hearing him speak doesn't help either.
Noodle arm means you have never actually seen him play.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 6:40 pm : link
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RE: I still like Jackson best  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13934856 Go Terps said:
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And both Dave Te and Mike Lombardi say the same.


Lombardis history of picking QBs is less successful than Ray Handley coaching era
RE: Noodle arm means you have never actually seen him play.  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13934868 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He doesnt have a lot of zip. Combine proved it.
RE: Only Cleveland could fuck this up  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/26/2018 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13934842 Go Terps said:
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The only bigger possible fuckup would be us passing on Darnold for Barkley.


ITA.
RE: Don't get the Jackson love  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13934862 Walt in MD said:
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Low wonderlic, noodle arm. Hearing him speak doesn't help either.


Hearing him speak?
So much love for Darnold.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2018 6:46 pm : link
You'd think we were drafting Aaron Rodgers... College turnover machine from a college that hasn't churned out a good NFL QB since Carson Palmer lol.

Facinating.
RE: RE: Baker  
AcesUp : 4/26/2018 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13934638 baadbill said:
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In comment 13934608 AcesUp said:


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Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.



Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)


Idiots don't bet a lot of money. Money moves lines. A drastic jump is indicative of informed money betting.
Jackson will be the most productive QB in this draft...  
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 6:51 pm : link
IF given the right amount of time to develop.

That kid is a magician in the pocket with his escapability and hes willing to stand tall for plays to develop. Dont underestimate the Petrino factor here either. Thats no Big12 bullish-t offense Bob runs. Thats a pro style offense that the NFL takes seriously.

RE: RE: Noodle arm means you have never actually seen him play.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13934875 dep026 said:
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He doesnt have a lot of zip. Combine proved it.


Im a much bigger believer in games played and passing production than leaning on a carnival game test of strength in non-game situations. The guy produced, a lot, at the top level.
He can't throw it  
Walt in MD : 4/26/2018 7:00 pm : link
50 mph. And I've seen him play
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RE: RE: RE: Baker  
baadbill : 4/26/2018 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13934885 AcesUp said:
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In comment 13934638 baadbill said:


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In comment 13934608 AcesUp said:


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Vegas odds now at -500 for him to go #1. Safe to say its a done deal.



Doesn't that just mean that idiots betting on the draft are putting their bets on Baker thus driving Vegas to adjust the odds? I think it is literally mathamatical, not a judgment of any kind (not by Vegas anyway ... certainly a judgment by people betting money, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the intelligence of people betting money on the NFL draft... in fact, just the opposite, I question whether they have brains.)



Idiots don't bet a lot of money. Money moves lines. A drastic jump is indicative of informed money betting.


So, youre saying its rigged? (I dont bet, and really know very little about it)
When the outcome has already been decided?  
AcesUp : 4/26/2018 7:05 pm : link
And you can bet on it? Absolutely. I'm sure there are people in the know making money off it.
RE: So much love for Darnold.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/26/2018 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13934882 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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You'd think we were drafting Aaron Rodgers... College turnover machine from a college that hasn't churned out a good NFL QB since Carson Palmer lol.

Facinating.


Oddly enough, people once said that same thing about Aaron Rodgers and Jeff Teford/CAL.
Rosen  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 7:13 pm : link
is rocking a blue tie. Obviously coming to the Giants lol.
So back to Darnold  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2018 7:16 pm : link
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Rapoport just said on NFL Network, "I just talked to another GM who's known John Dorsey well, and he said, 'he's not taking Mayfield. I know that's false.'"
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:20 pm : link
So "another GM" knows for sure who Dorsey is or isn't taking?

Round and round we go....
God Im so sick of all the guesses and rumors  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 7:22 pm : link
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RE: RE: So much love for Darnold.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2018 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13934930 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13934882 Tim in Eternal Blue said:


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You'd think we were drafting Aaron Rodgers... College turnover machine from a college that hasn't churned out a good NFL QB since Carson Palmer lol.

Facinating.



Oddly enough, people once said that same thing about Aaron Rodgers and Jeff Teford/CAL.


That's Facinating as well. Man I can't wait! 30+ more minutes! Then we can spend months debating if the G-Men made the right call!
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:27 pm : link
Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.
RE: .  
chopperhatch : 4/26/2018 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13934992 arcarsenal said:
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Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.


Well BBI told me he should be traded, so that means SB will be drafted by the team to whom we are trading Beckham.
RE: .  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/26/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13934992 arcarsenal said:
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Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.


And signing Dez Bryant, Johnny Manziel, Trey Songz, Justin Bieber, Christiano Ronaldo, Neymar, and a big booty French girl.
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Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:34 pm : link
I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.
RE: .  
Kyle in NY : 4/26/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13935029 Go Terps said:
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I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.


As a proponent of BPA, Im curious why youre against Barkley. The guy is the consensus best player in the draft
RE: RE: .  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13935020 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13934992 arcarsenal said:


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Well, Beckham just posted a picture of him from his draft day and tagged Barkley, so.... obviously were taking him.



And signing Dez Bryant, Johnny Manziel, Trey Songz, Justin Bieber, Christiano Ronaldo, Neymar, and a big booty French girl.


Keep big booty French chick, toss Manziel. Everything else is a net positive and makes the roster better.
RE: .  
Sean : 4/26/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13935029 Go Terps said:
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I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.


Youve done a complete 180. You posted a detailed thread a few months back outlining every 1st round QB since 2005. Your motto has always been BPA regardless of position.
RE: RE: .  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13935046 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 13935029 Go Terps said:


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I'd rather give Beckham the extension he wants than take Barkley over one of the QBs or a trade down.



As a proponent of BPA, Im curious why youre against Barkley. The guy is the consensus best player in the draft


I'm not sure he is.
I don't think Barkley is clearly the best player  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:40 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:43 pm : link
What if he is? Is the pick worth it then?
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Big Rick in FL : 4/26/2018 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13935073 arcarsenal said:
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What if he is? Is the pick worth it then?


No a RB isn't worth the 2nd pick.
RE: RE: .  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 13935078 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 13935073 arcarsenal said:


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What if he is? Is the pick worth it then?



No a RB isn't worth the 2nd pick.


Amen
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:46 pm : link
You guys are too fixated on the position.

How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?

Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.
Still hoping for Rosen  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 7:46 pm : link
and the smokescreen has been set all the way. Probably not gonna happen but I remain hopeful we dont waste this pick.
Yes, it would be  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:46 pm : link
But how could anyone believe that he clearly is? We all...myself very much included...have been waffling back and forth for a couple months on what to do at this pick BECAUSE it isn't clear who is the best player.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:47 pm : link
I don't know if Barkley is or isn't the best player in the draft. I don't have a crystal ball. But if he is, he's worth the pick.
RE: Yes, it would be  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13935089 Go Terps said:
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But how could anyone believe that he clearly is? We all...myself very much included...have been waffling back and forth for a couple months on what to do at this pick BECAUSE it isn't clear who is the best player.


So, if Gettleman truly believes Barkley is the best player in this entire draft and has conviction on that - isn't that a good enough reason to take him?

I'd love a QB - I think it's better for the franchise long term.

But my take is that if the Giants truly believe Barkley is the consensus best player in this class and that's why they take him - I can live with that and get behind it.
RE: .  
Go Terps : 4/26/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13935094 arcarsenal said:
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I don't know if Barkley is or isn't the best player in the draft. I don't have a crystal ball. But if he is, he's worth the pick.


Yeah, no shit. But we don't get to come back in 5 years and redo the draft.

Hopefully we can do this rumored trade down with Denver.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:49 pm : link
Denver is the team I'd really, really love to trade with.

if we could move down to 5 and collect extra picks, that's the sweet spot for me.
RE: .  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13935085 arcarsenal said:
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You guys are too fixated on the position.

How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?

Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.


If the choice is between a RB or a QB, Im taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a name at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. Weve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. Weve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.

How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? Its not like a guy thats drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.
Im good with a trade down  
Kyle in NY : 4/26/2018 7:54 pm : link
But if we stay at 2, I want Barkley. The no first round RB thing has swung too far, as if that isnt an important position itself. If I had more faith in the QBs in this draft Id be fine with it. But Im not a believer.

Take the best player, thats Barkley
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13935145 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13935085 arcarsenal said:


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You guys are too fixated on the position.

How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?

Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.



If the choice is between a RB or a QB, Im taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a name at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. Weve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. Weve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.

How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? Its not like a guy thats drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.


Past results don't guarantee future outcomes.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 7:58 pm : link
Carson Wentz is done for the year - so are the Eagles. Teams don't win Super Bowls without great QB's. Nick Foles? Please. They have no shot. That trophy case is staying empty!
RE: RE: RE: .  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13935165 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13935145 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13935085 arcarsenal said:


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You guys are too fixated on the position.

How could you sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't want the best player in the draft because he's a running back?

Some of you make it sound like we're taking a punter.



If the choice is between a RB or a QB, Im taking the QB, full stop. How many times do you have to see teams win without a name at RB before the value of the position should change? It happened here twice right in front of us. Weve gotten 1100 yard rushers without needing to spend a top2 pick on a RB. Weve had TWO 1000+ rushers on the same team in the same year with the right roster set up to make that happen.

How much more production would one expect to get if you draft one that much higher? Its not like a guy thats drafted 2 overall is going to challenge for 2000 yards every year.



Past results don't guarantee future outcomes.


Nothing guarantees anything. But it continues to happen. The best, highest drafted RB wasnt even the best rookie RB last year.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 8:39 pm : link
Who cares? Last year's top drafted RB wasn't this year's top drafted RB.

Last year means nothing right now. These are all different players.
Or course it means something.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2018 8:42 pm : link
When you have years and years of a thing happening, you can use it to inform decisions going forward.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2018 8:50 pm : link
Nick Foles beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl last year and Case Keenum was a game away from the Super Bowl. Blake Bortles' Jaguars were in the AFC title game.

There isn't one limited formula and only one. The league evolves and things change. The rookie RB's last year made huge differences for their teams.

Kamara, Fournette, Cook (before he was hurt), Hunt, etc. were all HUGE assets to their teams last year.

People are devaluing the RB position too much because it's a "passing league" - that logic sucks .
RE: .  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2018 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13935781 arcarsenal said:
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Nick Foles beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl last year and Case Keenum was a game away from the Super Bowl. Blake Bortles' Jaguars were in the AFC title game.

There isn't one limited formula and only one. The league evolves and things change. The rookie RB's last year made huge differences for their teams.

Kamara, Fournette, Cook (before he was hurt), Hunt, etc. were all HUGE assets to their teams last year.

People are devaluing the RB position too much because it's a "passing league" - that logic sucks .


That is really a great, succinct and spot on post
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