Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.
with the recent Allen news...does this make the #2 pick so valuable with Darnold still on the board @ #2?
shows me something is wrong the the air in Cleveland. You just went through Johnny Manziel, and Baker has a lot of Johnny qualities. Why even take the risk?
Trying to get teams to think at least one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen will be there, guaranteed.
I'm not sure why else this would leak.
the leak isn't coming from the browns though. Schefter says they have been pretty tight lipped. The reports are coming from HC and GM's around the league so they might know something we don't.
shows me something is wrong the the air in Cleveland. You just went through Johnny Manziel, and Baker has a lot of Johnny qualities. Why even take the risk?
You take Darnold and keep building.
It's the Forrest Gump rule: "Stupid is as stupid does."
I still think the Browns will draft Darnold, but I admit I'm less sure of that than I was even 24 hours ago. If Darnold is available, then whether to draft him will be the most important decision for the Giants since Accorsi traded for Eli. But if DG decides not to draft Darnold, he absolutely has to trade the pick. He'll get a fortune in return.
Spot on. If Darnold is available and we don't want him, the pick will be worth a fortune in trades. Barkley is not worth and additional five? additional high draft picks .
Trade with the Jets and drop to 3. Ask for what SF got from Chicago last year or more. Then take Barkley at 3
Haha.. Word about a surprise qb at one but of course on bbi it's all about Barkley. The Barkley delusion gets revved up. It's not about Barkley. It's about Mayfield.
Trade with the Jets and drop to 3. Ask for what SF got from Chicago last year or more. Then take Barkley at 3
I doubt the giants/jets make a trade. If Darnold ends up being a franchise QB you know the media backlash this regime will get? Giants/Jets don't make moves like this.
I think this will get the Bills calling up asking for Darnold. Wasn't it reported that if Darnold dropped to #2 the bills would be willing to send 5-6 premium picks to move up to #2?
It's Still Lyin' Season. Earlier this week, on the Michael Kay show, Mel Kiper said someone he trusted said that it was Trubisky, not Garrett, who would be the #1 pick. On the afternoon of the draft. Obviously that was nonsense. I don't believe a word of this.
a small move down could be wise, if NYG preferred targets are gone. But, the trade down to #12 for a pile of picks crowd is looking mostly at trying to win in 2018.
believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.
the real question does DG and Shurmur think they can win now? Not what the fans think. If DG thinks Eli is competitive for a few years (which all signs point to he does). 5-6 premium picks over 1 would make some sense...
At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.
Why?
Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.
If we trade down enough in the next 4 or 5 drafts, we could own every pick in the 2030 draft. Don't sell that possibility short. We should trade from 2 to 5, 5 to 12, 12 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, and then 40 for a first rounder next year. That would really help us restock the cupboard.
I’d love to get Cleveland in the mix with the 4th overall.
Giants swap 2nd overall with the Jets. Giants trade 3rd overall to the Bills. Giants trade with Cleveland for 4th overall and grab Barkley. Among the wildest scenarios.
Drew Brees would easily be the #1 pick in any draft now Â
Russell Wilson? That's the type of player and leader you get with Mayfield. Yeah he's a touch flaky but that's the only knock and they aren't serious red flags.
It comes down to this with him 70% completions and 119 TD v 21 INT over the lasy three sesons. QB rating of 186 over the same time span.
Those numbers arent very good or even great. They are ridiculous, off the charts good.
a small move down could be wise, if NYG preferred targets are gone. But, the trade down to #12 for a pile of picks crowd is looking mostly at trying to win in 2018.
if Denver and Indy are open to trade down scenarios which has been reported...it could take a lot less to trade up to 5 or 6 with 3-4 QB's off the board...and we can still get a premium player like Chubb/Nelson while holding a few premium assets from BUF.
how you don't take him. I guess you could wait until you have a top 2 pick again to take your next QB. NBD.
But look, last year sucked, especially the fifth week against San Diego. I have never been so disinterested in Giants games in December, when I knew they were going to not score and lose.
The payoff is tonight. Our team is going to have its pick of two or three great players, or a haul of picks to rebuild. The only way tonight goes badly is if they take Josh Allen, who has bust written all over him. FUN CITY.
Dave knows his shit. He said that the Browns wouldn't have picked up Tyrod, if they weren't picking a QB with similar qualities and said the most logical choice is Baker Mayfield.
believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.
the real question does DG and Shurmur think they can win now? Not what the fans think. If DG thinks Eli is competitive for a few years (which all signs point to he does). 5-6 premium picks over 1 would make some sense...
That's the problem tho, there's usually a chasm between the actual blue chip talent (only 6-8 in this draft), and then the red chips, and lesser talent.
Talent isn't uniform. Picking at 12, 22, and whatever isn't bringing the premium talent picking in the top 5 should deliver.
In that case, they stay and take their man - means the top 4 players are still on the board.
I wish it was Rosen, but it will either be Barkley or Darnold.
It would make it a coveted pick for the Giants.
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It would make it a coveted pick for the Giants.
Sure, IF the Giants believe any of these QBs are franchise-makers
You take Darnold and keep building.
I'm not sure why else this would leak.
Shurmur said he likes tall QBs.
I'm not sure why else this would leak.
the leak isn't coming from the browns though. Schefter says they have been pretty tight lipped. The reports are coming from HC and GM's around the league so they might know something we don't.
You take Darnold and keep building.
It's the Forrest Gump rule: "Stupid is as stupid does."
I still think the Browns will draft Darnold, but I admit I'm less sure of that than I was even 24 hours ago. If Darnold is available, then whether to draft him will be the most important decision for the Giants since Accorsi traded for Eli. But if DG decides not to draft Darnold, he absolutely has to trade the pick. He'll get a fortune in return.
it would be ballsy but if they had the two QB's similarly rated and knew the Giants were never taking Baker...but would take Darnold.
CLE could lock in there QB and Barkley...maybe they thought Barkley is just so good they wanted him too.
Haha.. Word about a surprise qb at one but of course on bbi it's all about Barkley. The Barkley delusion gets revved up. It's not about Barkley. It's about Mayfield.
It really is nothing more than reporters moving lips because they have airtime to fill or clicks to generate.
I doubt the giants/jets make a trade. If Darnold ends up being a franchise QB you know the media backlash this regime will get? Giants/Jets don't make moves like this.
I think this will get the Bills calling up asking for Darnold. Wasn't it reported that if Darnold dropped to #2 the bills would be willing to send 5-6 premium picks to move up to #2?
But Rosen is better than Darnold.
if your CLE whats the need to smokescreen the #1 pick?
Why?
Why?
Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.
the real question does DG and Shurmur think they can win now? Not what the fans think. If DG thinks Eli is competitive for a few years (which all signs point to he does). 5-6 premium picks over 1 would make some sense...
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At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.
Why?
Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.
If we trade down enough in the next 4 or 5 drafts, we could own every pick in the 2030 draft. Don't sell that possibility short. We should trade from 2 to 5, 5 to 12, 12 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, and then 40 for a first rounder next year. That would really help us restock the cupboard.
I’d love to get Cleveland in the mix with the 4th overall.
Giants swap 2nd overall with the Jets. Giants trade 3rd overall to the Bills. Giants trade with Cleveland for 4th overall and grab Barkley. Among the wildest scenarios.
It comes down to this with him 70% completions and 119 TD v 21 INT over the lasy three sesons. QB rating of 186 over the same time span.
Those numbers arent very good or even great. They are ridiculous, off the charts good.
if Denver and Indy are open to trade down scenarios which has been reported...it could take a lot less to trade up to 5 or 6 with 3-4 QB's off the board...and we can still get a premium player like Chubb/Nelson while holding a few premium assets from BUF.
But look, last year sucked, especially the fifth week against San Diego. I have never been so disinterested in Giants games in December, when I knew they were going to not score and lose.
The payoff is tonight. Our team is going to have its pick of two or three great players, or a haul of picks to rebuild. The only way tonight goes badly is if they take Josh Allen, who has bust written all over him. FUN CITY.
Dave knows his shit. He said that the Browns wouldn't have picked up Tyrod, if they weren't picking a QB with similar qualities and said the most logical choice is Baker Mayfield.
Some people still don't understand the point of the draft. Free agency is for filling holes. The draft is for the future.
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.
the real question does DG and Shurmur think they can win now? Not what the fans think. If DG thinks Eli is competitive for a few years (which all signs point to he does). 5-6 premium picks over 1 would make some sense...
That's the problem tho, there's usually a chasm between the actual blue chip talent (only 6-8 in this draft), and then the red chips, and lesser talent.
Talent isn't uniform. Picking at 12, 22, and whatever isn't bringing the premium talent picking in the top 5 should deliver.
I prefer quality over quantity.