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Schefter: Signs pointing to Baker at #1

mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:31 am
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/989481309197225984

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Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.


with the recent Allen news...does this make the #2 pick so valuable with Darnold still on the board @ #2?
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Keep hearing this  
UberAlias : 4/26/2018 8:33 am : link
Please let NYG be smart enough not to pass up Darnold.
Hello Sam  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 8:33 am : link
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Not buying it  
est1986 : 4/26/2018 8:33 am : link
Will be shocked if Darnold is on the board when we pick.
Could certainly make 2 a more coveted pick,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2018 8:33 am : link
butI don’t buy this report for a minute
If Mayfield goes 1st,  
section125 : 4/26/2018 8:36 am : link
then the Giants have the choice of Darnold, Rosen, Barkley or Chubb.

In that case, they stay and take their man - means the top 4 players are still on the board.

I wish it was Rosen, but it will either be Barkley or Darnold.
RE: Could certainly make 2 a more coveted pick,  
mattyblue : 4/26/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 13932634 Big Blue '56 said:
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butI don’t buy this report for a minute


It would make it a coveted pick for the Giants.
Agree that the #2 pick instantly becomes invaluable  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 4/26/2018 8:38 am : link
If DG doesnt want want any of the QBs, any other team is going to want to jump the Jets at #3 to get their choice. This is getting interesting.
RE: RE: Could certainly make 2 a more coveted pick,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 13932643 mattyblue said:
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In comment 13932634 Big Blue '56 said:


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butI don’t buy this report for a minute



It would make it a coveted pick for the Giants.


Sure, IF the Giants believe any of these QBs are franchise-makers
Buffalo, Denver and others will be calling and offering gifts  
George from PA : 4/26/2018 8:38 am : link
Trade down.....hopefully ending up at 4/5....and pocket a couple of extra picks this year and next
Interesting.  
Beezer : 4/26/2018 8:40 am : link
But yeah ... not buying it.
The days of the Herschel Walker trade are over.  
bceagle05 : 4/26/2018 8:41 am : link
We suffered for this pick. If Cleveland wants to hand us Darnold on a silver platter, you say thank you very much.
Baker to the Browns  
dep026 : 4/26/2018 8:44 am : link
shows me something is wrong the the air in Cleveland. You just went through Johnny Manziel, and Baker has a lot of Johnny qualities. Why even take the risk?

You take Darnold and keep building.
Cleveland continuing to play the risk game  
Andy in Boston : 4/26/2018 8:46 am : link
Mayfield is a player....but taking at a 6'0 QB with the 1st pick....ballsy.
Maybe the Giants really want  
ArtVandelay : 4/26/2018 8:46 am : link
Mayfield
I think this may be a leak to make #4 more valuable.  
crackerjack465 : 4/26/2018 8:46 am : link
Trying to get teams to think at least one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen will be there, guaranteed.

I'm not sure why else this would leak.
Basically if Darnold and Barkley are on the board at two  
Larry in Pencilvania : 4/26/2018 8:48 am : link
The Giants control the draft and can bring in a huge haul if they choose to go that direction. Hell they could make the Jets squirm
If Browns take Mayfield then you got to take Rosen  
giantstock : 4/26/2018 8:48 am : link
Get Rosen then you can start a quick rebuild and be a threat once he starts playing for 10-15 years.
RE: Maybe the Giants really want  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13932672 ArtVandelay said:
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Mayfield


Shurmur said he likes tall QBs.
RE: I think this may be a leak to make #4 more valuable.  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13932676 crackerjack465 said:
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Trying to get teams to think at least one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen will be there, guaranteed.

I'm not sure why else this would leak.


the leak isn't coming from the browns though. Schefter says they have been pretty tight lipped. The reports are coming from HC and GM's around the league so they might know something we don't.
RE: Baker to the Browns  
AcidTest : 4/26/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13932669 dep026 said:
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shows me something is wrong the the air in Cleveland. You just went through Johnny Manziel, and Baker has a lot of Johnny qualities. Why even take the risk?

You take Darnold and keep building.


It's the Forrest Gump rule: "Stupid is as stupid does."

I still think the Browns will draft Darnold, but I admit I'm less sure of that than I was even 24 hours ago. If Darnold is available, then whether to draft him will be the most important decision for the Giants since Accorsi traded for Eli. But if DG decides not to draft Darnold, he absolutely has to trade the pick. He'll get a fortune in return.
Where did he get this info?  
superspynyg : 4/26/2018 8:49 am : link
Did he steal his medical chart?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2018 8:51 am : link
LOL. Such a typical Browns pick.
this would be a big coup for the stats nerds who have been  
Heisenberg : 4/26/2018 8:51 am : link
proclaiming him the best one by far.
RE: Cleveland continuing to play the risk game  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 13932671 Andy in Boston said:
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Mayfield is a player....but taking at a 6'0 QB with the 1st pick....ballsy.


it would be ballsy but if they had the two QB's similarly rated and knew the Giants were never taking Baker...but would take Darnold.

CLE could lock in there QB and Barkley...maybe they thought Barkley is just so good they wanted him too.
Acid Test  
Marty866b : 4/26/2018 8:52 am : link
Spot on. If Darnold is available and we don't want him, the pick will be worth a fortune in trades. Barkley is not worth and additional five? additional high draft picks .
If True  
Trainmaster : 4/26/2018 8:52 am : link
Trade with the Jets and drop to 3. Ask for what SF got from Chicago last year or more. Then take Barkley at 3
If true  
jeff57 : 4/26/2018 8:54 am : link
The Giants will have the choice of Darnold or Rosen. If they don't take one of them, they're nuts.
RE: If True  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 8:54 am : link
In comment 13932693 Trainmaster said:
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Trade with the Jets and drop to 3. Ask for what SF got from Chicago last year or more. Then take Barkley at 3


Haha.. Word about a surprise qb at one but of course on bbi it's all about Barkley. The Barkley delusion gets revved up. It's not about Barkley. It's about Mayfield.
Do it, Browns  
JonC : 4/26/2018 8:55 am : link
do it.
I think this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/26/2018 8:56 am : link
is the 3rd player Schefter has reported on going to the Browns.

It really is nothing more than reporters moving lips because they have airtime to fill or clicks to generate.
It this is true  
Pete44 : 4/26/2018 8:56 am : link
You take Darnold an thank the football gods that Cleveland was the team picking ahead of us.
RE: If True  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13932693 Trainmaster said:
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Trade with the Jets and drop to 3. Ask for what SF got from Chicago last year or more. Then take Barkley at 3


I doubt the giants/jets make a trade. If Darnold ends up being a franchise QB you know the media backlash this regime will get? Giants/Jets don't make moves like this.

I think this will get the Bills calling up asking for Darnold. Wasn't it reported that if Darnold dropped to #2 the bills would be willing to send 5-6 premium picks to move up to #2?
RE: It this is true  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 8:57 am : link
In comment 13932702 Pete44 said:
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You take Darnold an thank the football gods that Cleveland was the team picking ahead of us.


But Rosen is better than Darnold.
Raanan adding to the mix...  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 8:58 am : link
https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/989488273088241671


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Definitely something I heard from people around the league yesterday. They’re expecting Mayfield to go No. 1


if your CLE whats the need to smokescreen the #1 pick?
Why Is Anyone Buying This?  
Giants34 : 4/26/2018 8:58 am : link
It's Still Lyin' Season. Earlier this week, on the Michael Kay show, Mel Kiper said someone he trusted said that it was Trubisky, not Garrett, who would be the #1 pick. On the afternoon of the draft. Obviously that was nonsense. I don't believe a word of this.
So if Darnold is there  
joeinpa : 4/26/2018 8:59 am : link
At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.

Why?
the trade down crowd  
JonC : 4/26/2018 9:01 am : link
believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.
RE: So if Darnold is there  
firedbytheboss : 4/26/2018 9:01 am : link
In comment 13932714 joeinpa said:
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At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.

Why?


Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.
some of the trade down crowd understands  
JonC : 4/26/2018 9:02 am : link
a small move down could be wise, if NYG preferred targets are gone. But, the trade down to #12 for a pile of picks crowd is looking mostly at trying to win in 2018.
RE: the trade down crowd  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 9:03 am : link
In comment 13932720 JonC said:
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.


the real question does DG and Shurmur think they can win now? Not what the fans think. If DG thinks Eli is competitive for a few years (which all signs point to he does). 5-6 premium picks over 1 would make some sense...
I can't see DG trading down  
UberAlias : 4/26/2018 9:04 am : link
With Darnold and Barkley on the board.
I don't believe this for a second...  
Chris684 : 4/26/2018 9:04 am : link
It's gonna be Darnold IMO.
RE: RE: So if Darnold is there  
Giants34 : 4/26/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 13932721 firedbytheboss said:
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In comment 13932714 joeinpa said:


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At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.

Why?



Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.


If we trade down enough in the next 4 or 5 drafts, we could own every pick in the 2030 draft. Don't sell that possibility short. We should trade from 2 to 5, 5 to 12, 12 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, and then 40 for a first rounder next year. That would really help us restock the cupboard.
The Giants Should Benefit From A Bills / Jets  
Trainmaster : 4/26/2018 9:05 am : link
Bidding war.

I’d love to get Cleveland in the mix with the 4th overall.

Giants swap 2nd overall with the Jets. Giants trade 3rd overall to the Bills. Giants trade with Cleveland for 4th overall and grab Barkley. Among the wildest scenarios.
Drew Brees would easily be the #1 pick in any draft now  
Torrag : 4/26/2018 9:05 am : link
Russell Wilson? That's the type of player and leader you get with Mayfield. Yeah he's a touch flaky but that's the only knock and they aren't serious red flags.

It comes down to this with him 70% completions and 119 TD v 21 INT over the lasy three sesons. QB rating of 186 over the same time span.

Those numbers arent very good or even great. They are ridiculous, off the charts good.
RE: some of the trade down crowd understands  
mphbullet36 : 4/26/2018 9:05 am : link
In comment 13932724 JonC said:
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a small move down could be wise, if NYG preferred targets are gone. But, the trade down to #12 for a pile of picks crowd is looking mostly at trying to win in 2018.


if Denver and Indy are open to trade down scenarios which has been reported...it could take a lot less to trade up to 5 or 6 with 3-4 QB's off the board...and we can still get a premium player like Chubb/Nelson while holding a few premium assets from BUF.
If Darnold lands in your lap, I don't know  
mikeinbloomfield : 4/26/2018 9:06 am : link
how you don't take him. I guess you could wait until you have a top 2 pick again to take your next QB. NBD.

But look, last year sucked, especially the fifth week against San Diego. I have never been so disinterested in Giants games in December, when I knew they were going to not score and lose.

The payoff is tonight. Our team is going to have its pick of two or three great players, or a haul of picks to rebuild. The only way tonight goes badly is if they take Josh Allen, who has bust written all over him. FUN CITY.
If this is True  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/26/2018 9:06 am : link
Dave 'Te called this on his podcast.

Dave knows his shit. He said that the Browns wouldn't have picked up Tyrod, if they weren't picking a QB with similar qualities and said the most logical choice is Baker Mayfield.
RE: the trade down crowd  
Jay on the Island : 4/26/2018 9:06 am : link
In comment 13932720 JonC said:
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.

Some people still don't understand the point of the draft. Free agency is for filling holes. The draft is for the future.
RE: RE: the trade down crowd  
JonC : 4/26/2018 9:07 am : link
In comment 13932727 mphbullet36 said:
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In comment 13932720 JonC said:


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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.



the real question does DG and Shurmur think they can win now? Not what the fans think. If DG thinks Eli is competitive for a few years (which all signs point to he does). 5-6 premium picks over 1 would make some sense...


That's the problem tho, there's usually a chasm between the actual blue chip talent (only 6-8 in this draft), and then the red chips, and lesser talent.

Talent isn't uniform. Picking at 12, 22, and whatever isn't bringing the premium talent picking in the top 5 should deliver.

I prefer quality over quantity.
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