Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.
with the recent Allen news...does this make the #2 pick so valuable with Darnold still on the board @ #2?
At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.
Why?
Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.
If we trade down enough in the next 4 or 5 drafts, we could own every pick in the 2030 draft. Don't sell that possibility short. We should trade from 2 to 5, 5 to 12, 12 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, and then 40 for a first rounder next year. That would really help us restock the cupboard.
I can hardly wait for 2030... We'll surely get the draft pick record.
Coming off a 3-win season and been bad for a while. If they pick a guy its because they believe he's the best player in the draft. You have to be delusional or not paying attention to this team since '11 to think they're in position to gear up for a run. Reese was fired because his drafts have sucked. He stacked years with next to nothing to show for it, yet some actually believe the roster is ready to make a run. Seriously?
One guy says something, the rest fall in line. Anyone notice that? Before it was, if Darnold is there, the Giants would draft him. Now, with everyone mocking Barkley to the Giants, the mantra is Barkley to the Giants anyway, even if Darnold is there. Mock drafts just follow one another. So, now, with one talking head saying Mayfield, the rest of the these guys are saying Mayfield too. One after another.
and the Giants don't want Darnold, they had better seriously field offers.
Honestly, they brought in a HC and OC with reputations of developing QBs. They have Manning in place to buy them a year at least to develop. If they don't think they can turn Darnold into a good QB with his skillsets and qualities, there is never going to be a QB that meets their standards. There is no such thing as a perfect prospect.
Coming off a 3-win season and been bad for a while. If they pick a guy its because they believe he's the best player in the draft. You have to be delusional or not paying attention to this team since '11 to think they're in position to gear up for a run. Reese was fired because his drafts have sucked. He stacked years with next to nothing to show for it, yet some actually believe the roster is ready to make a run. Seriously?
Agreed. I don’t see how Gettleman will justify not taking any QB especially with Darnold there. Eli was the second best QB in an Eagles game he saw though.
One of his most under-appreciated traits: despite maybe having half a screw loose, this guy is one calm, cool cookie when the game is at its most intense.
Coming off a 3-win season and been bad for a while. If they pick a guy its because they believe he's the best player in the draft. You have to be delusional or not paying attention to this team since '11 to think they're in position to gear up for a run. Reese was fired because his drafts have sucked. He stacked years with next to nothing to show for it, yet some actually believe the roster is ready to make a run. Seriously?
Agreed. I don’t see how Gettleman will justify not taking any QB especially with Darnold there. Eli was the second best QB in an Eagles game he saw though.
So what if they dont like the QBs, you want them to take one anyway?
and the Giants don't want Darnold, they had better seriously field offers.
Honestly, they brought in a HC and OC with reputations of developing QBs. They have Manning in place to buy them a year at least to develop. If they don't think they can turn Darnold into a good QB with his skillsets and qualities, there is never going to be a QB that meets their standards. There is no such thing as a perfect prospect.
This is such a good point. Why hire Shurmur, if his ability to develop a young QB wasn’t his biggest selling point. And then to add Shula whos done a great job at that as well. Darnold with his tools, this coaching, and the ability to sit and learn for a season. How can you ask for a better situation?
I keep running between taking the top guy at #2 and trading to somebody for a boat load of picks - but not moving below #6.
I would take Barkley at #2, but I just don't "feel" Darnold. I could see Rosen, but not Darnold. Guy gives me an uneasy feeling.
Trading to between 4, 5, or 6 gets them, most likely one of Barkley, Chubb or Nelson (with Barkley the least likely after #4.)
As for the Browns taking Mayfield #1, yeah I can see it. Mayfield can start now in the NFL. Darnold, not so much. Rosen can start now, but Mayfield can make plays on the run and has a slightly better medical history. Have to agree that the trade for Taylor would tend to mean Mayfield vs Darnold.
RE: I think this may be a leak to make #4 more valuable. Â
Trying to get teams to think at least one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen will be there, guaranteed.
I'm not sure why else this would leak.
No team is going to make the trade thinking Mayfield is the Browns pick.All teams will wait until the pick is made & then the phone calls would be made. Leaking does nothing to get teams to trade now!
This is classic misinformation to see if the Jets will trade up to 1.
Why would they want that? Jets aren't resource rich at this point. So they can settle for a QB and hope their non-QB falls? I don't see it at all. They've been accumulating draft picks for years and have a ton. What they need now is great players.
I can’t beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldn’t everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, we’d all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. It’s almost like we’ve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. There’s a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
I'll have a hard time buying that they didn't like ANY of these 4 QBs. It's much more plausible that they just liked Darnold here and didn't see it in the other 3 prospects. However, if they still pass on the QB, that tells me that they aren't prioritizing the position and I would have an issue with that line of thinking.
I can’t beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldn’t everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, we’d all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. It’s almost like we’ve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. There’s a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?
Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year
Whos more valuable to team
Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?
I am not saying what is mor valuable, what I am saying is you dont take a qb for the sake of taking a qb...
Just because you have a high pick doesnt mean it has to be a qb, you take the player who you think will be the best player..
Even if a RB/DE/OL may be viewed better, you still take the QB who yo usee you can build a franchise around. Barkley and Chubb may be viewed as better players, but how much better is the question.
It's finally happened-- just let it end. Wanted Webb to get his shot at the end of last season but the owner pulled an about-face, took the easy way out in firing the bumbling coach and GM and allowed fan outrage over Eli's treatment to rule the day. Picked the "safe choice" at GM, endorsed the aging QB and reaffirmed his faith in the guy he wanted to sit down just a few months ago and now heading into the biggest draft in 14 years with very little idea what they have in Webb, and hoping/praying that Eli's last 5 years were someone else's fault and not the natural progression of age so they can take the safe choice at RB. Hope their right. Really hope I'm wrong. Hope it all ends soon.
I can’t beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldn’t everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, we’d all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. It’s almost like we’ve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. There’s a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
If you dont view any of the QBs as franchise guys you dont take them...
Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.
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At two, it makes the #2!pick that much more valuable, and many feel the Giants should capitalize by trading that pick.
Why?
Because the object of the nfl is to accumulate draft picks, not to win a super bowl.
If we trade down enough in the next 4 or 5 drafts, we could own every pick in the 2030 draft. Don't sell that possibility short. We should trade from 2 to 5, 5 to 12, 12 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, and then 40 for a first rounder next year. That would really help us restock the cupboard.
I can hardly wait for 2030... We'll surely get the draft pick record.
He adds ...
"I've long said Sam Darnold should be the pick here, but the latest buzz has Mayfield landing at the top."
I don't know, for Schefter to put this out there the day of the draft, I could buy it. I just hope we don't pass on Darnold.
Barkley likely falls way to Tampa if this is true
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believes NYG can win now, they just want to fill holes.
Some people still don't understand the point of the draft. Free agency is for filling holes. The draft is for the future.
So if the Bills offer you a Hershal Walker type trade...the Cowboys built a dynasty from that trade...through the draft.
And be in QB hell
If giants dont want darnold the second Mayfield is take , you call every team looking for a qb and say give me your best offer or I am taking darnold
Agreed. I don’t see how Gettleman will justify not taking any QB especially with Darnold there. Eli was the second best QB in an Eagles game he saw though.
But If he’s their guy. Im surprised they aren’t trying to get the Jets to jump the Giants for Darnold.
...regardless of where he is taken.
One of his most under-appreciated traits: despite maybe having half a screw loose, this guy is one calm, cool cookie when the game is at its most intense.
He can flat out play for anyone!
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Coming off a 3-win season and been bad for a while. If they pick a guy its because they believe he's the best player in the draft. You have to be delusional or not paying attention to this team since '11 to think they're in position to gear up for a run. Reese was fired because his drafts have sucked. He stacked years with next to nothing to show for it, yet some actually believe the roster is ready to make a run. Seriously?
Agreed. I don’t see how Gettleman will justify not taking any QB especially with Darnold there. Eli was the second best QB in an Eagles game he saw though.
So what if they dont like the QBs, you want them to take one anyway?
Barkley likely falls way to Tampa if this is true
I think Cleveland would take him at 4.
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and the Giants don't want Darnold, they had better seriously field offers.
Honestly, they brought in a HC and OC with reputations of developing QBs. They have Manning in place to buy them a year at least to develop. If they don't think they can turn Darnold into a good QB with his skillsets and qualities, there is never going to be a QB that meets their standards. There is no such thing as a perfect prospect.
This is such a good point. Why hire Shurmur, if his ability to develop a young QB wasn’t his biggest selling point. And then to add Shula whos done a great job at that as well. Darnold with his tools, this coaching, and the ability to sit and learn for a season. How can you ask for a better situation?
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For Darnold.
Barkley likely falls way to Tampa if this is true
I think Cleveland would take him at 4.
Think they wouldn’t go with Chubb, opposite Garrett
I agree with you. I just hope our new GM doesn't truly believe that this team is ready to compete now.
Years ago everyone said it was Reggie Bush to the Texans until it wasn't. Last year the Bears made a shocking trade to get up and get Trubisky.
I told you, this mock draft nonsense is groupthink. One guy says it, they all say it.
I would take Barkley at #2, but I just don't "feel" Darnold. I could see Rosen, but not Darnold. Guy gives me an uneasy feeling.
Trading to between 4, 5, or 6 gets them, most likely one of Barkley, Chubb or Nelson (with Barkley the least likely after #4.)
As for the Browns taking Mayfield #1, yeah I can see it. Mayfield can start now in the NFL. Darnold, not so much. Rosen can start now, but Mayfield can make plays on the run and has a slightly better medical history. Have to agree that the trade for Taylor would tend to mean Mayfield vs Darnold.
I'm not sure why else this would leak.
No team is going to make the trade thinking Mayfield is the Browns pick.All teams will wait until the pick is made & then the phone calls would be made. Leaking does nothing to get teams to trade now!
Not Mayock, at least not yet.
Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year
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Schefter, Schrager, Jeremiah, Matt Miller, Bob McGinn, Sy'56, Rapoport. No way all of these guys are wrong.
Years ago everyone said it was Reggie Bush to the Texans until it wasn't. Last year the Bears made a shocking trade to get up and get Trubisky.
I told you, this mock draft nonsense is groupthink. One guy says it, they all say it.
Not true everyone knew mario William's was the pick a few days before the draft because they started negotiations with him..
If Darnold goes #1, and Barkley goes #2 - I'll be happy.
Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year
Whos more valuable to team
Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?
so it makes sense Baker and Allen are top on some lists
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldn’t everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, we’d all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. It’s almost like we’ve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. There’s a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?
Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year
Whos more valuable to team
Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?
I am not saying what is mor valuable, what I am saying is you dont take a qb for the sake of taking a qb...
Just because you have a high pick doesnt mean it has to be a qb, you take the player who you think will be the best player..
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?
Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year
Whos more valuable to team
Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?
And if you want to take that stance...
LT or simms?
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldn’t everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, we’d all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. It’s almost like we’ve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. There’s a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?
Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year
Whos more valuable to team
Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?
I am not saying what is mor valuable, what I am saying is you dont take a qb for the sake of taking a qb...
Just because you have a high pick doesnt mean it has to be a qb, you take the player who you think will be the best player..
There's probably no position in all of sports as important as QB. If you think the pick can be your QB for a decade or more, you take the QB.
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Is draft a qb? Even if you thi k barkley or xhubbare better players and will be better players?
Everyone drafted tonight is for the future,there is no guarantee a player draft will contribute next year
Whos more valuable to team
Eli Manning or Michael Strahan?
I am not saying what is mor valuable, what I am saying is you dont take a qb for the sake of taking a qb...
Just because you have a high pick doesnt mean it has to be a qb, you take the player who you think will be the best player..
Even if a RB/DE/OL may be viewed better, you still take the QB who yo usee you can build a franchise around. Barkley and Chubb may be viewed as better players, but how much better is the question.
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I can’t beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldn’t everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, we’d all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. It’s almost like we’ve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. There’s a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.