Browns continue to keep the decision on their No. 1 pick a secret, but there is a mounting belief from HCs and GMs around the league that Cleveland will take Baker Mayfield.
with the recent Allen news...does this make the #2 pick so valuable with Darnold still on the board @ #2?
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...
If you dont view any of the QBs as franchise guys you dont take them...
Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.
And that is fine like I said, I would be perfectly fine with darnold if they feel he can be that guy
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...
A lot of folks think this is a very strong QB class. YOu could have 6 in the first round.
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...
I get the QB is the most important position on the team. However, you just don't pick the next guy.
There is more to a QB for a franchise than just his playing ability. By default this guy is going to be your franchise's face. So his off field persona is just as important as well as many other factors.
That being said, *I* believe that once you decide on a QB that is the only guy you select at #2. There was a reason you slotted a guy at #1 on your board vs a different QB, and that reason might not be because of ability.
Now if your #2 guy fell into the second round, then maybe you can say he is worth a shot as BPA.
Certainly DG will have his 3 guys up for discussion, and if their guy at QB is picked, I'm not so sure they just slide in another QB
Jets have traded up without knowing who will be there.
Bills are doing everything in the power to trade up
Browns, Broncos, Giants, Arizona, Miami have all been linked to QBs
You will have at least 5 go in the top 15.
This class is very, very coveted. The overanalyzing by these experts is just to get their name out there and say I told you so if one of them or more do busts. But these QBs have lots of positives.
If you dont view any of the QBs as franchise guys you dont take them...
Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.
I don't see it at all with Darnold. He looks a world beater on a rollout but in the pocket his fundamentals are all over the shop, from the way he holds the ball to his unbelievably shitty footwork.
For a couple of reasons:
1.) I don't love the idea any of the QB's for the NYG. There's something about those west coast guys playing in New York in Nov/Dec that scare the hell out of me and Mayfield and Allen are such boom/bust guys that investing a #2 pick in either seems too dicey.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY
2.) This roster is full of holes. The NYG have one of the most limited, least versatile, aging rosters in the NFL. They need capable bodies and can't keep running JAGS out there and expecting different results. I just like the idea of adding more talent to a roster that, as a whole, lacks depth and quality.
Jets have traded up without knowing who will be there.
Bills are doing everything in the power to trade up
Browns, Broncos, Giants, Arizona, Miami have all been linked to QBs
You will have at least 5 go in the top 15.
This class is very, very coveted. The overanalyzing by these experts is just to get their name out there and say I told you so if one of them or more do busts. But these QBs have lots of positives.
So teams desperate for a qb are trying to trade up? News at 11..
It happens every year, teams over value the QB and they are taken high even if they have flaws...
It may one day end up being a great class, me personally I just dont see it, to me there is no sure fire bet in this class
Things are going to be mighty interesting if this is true.
I'm still torn on Darnold.
Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.
There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.
Things are going to be mighty interesting if this is true.
I'm still torn on Darnold.
Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.
There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.
Fwiw, his INT rate was pretty low. He just fumbled a lot.
Things are going to be mighty interesting if this is true.
I'm still torn on Darnold.
Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.
There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.
Fwiw, his INT rate was pretty low. He just fumbled a lot.
Yeah, it's the fumbling - and as we've seen with #10, it's not always something that improves over time. So, it's definitely a concern for me. Not THE reason I'd not draft him - just one of a few things that give me trepidation.
I'm anxious about all of them too, but if we wind up with Darnold I'm going to remind myself he would've been the #1 overall pick in last year's draft, and next year's draft - then I'll go watch some Rose Bowl highlights against Penn State.
I definitely won't be mad about Darnold at all. It's nowhere near a remote-thrower (I hate that I even just used that term...) for me.
I do worry about the things I pointed out as well as the fact that the last 3 highly-touted SC QB's all busted.
But Darnold definitely has some major pluses. That kid is like a moose. The durability will be there. He can handle the spotlight. He does have a strong arm and can make some incredible throws on the run.
The mechanics are just wonky and sloppy at times - but if NYG feel that's all correctable, he has a very high ceiling.
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
Yeah and all those coaches were fired because they were incompetent.
If Mayfield is Cleveland's pick, and there is a feeding frenzy for Donald, why not
gamble a bit that you can get Rosen, or Chubb, or Barkley at a slightly lower position?
This may mirror the "Draft Day" movie a bit too closely, but would make sense
if the Giants value any or all those players very highly.
B. Chubb and a bunch of additional high picks is pretty damned enticing.
Regardless, at a brief moment at around 8:20 PM, the Giants will live in interesting,
and perilous, times.
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
Its complete insanity. People want to cling on to Eli and have lost all objectivity when it comes to him. Great franchises know its better to be a year early than a year late when it comes to succession planning. Unfortunately for the Giants, that was 2016. They need a QB here (provided they believe in one of these QBs). If they do not believe in one, they have to trade back.
how any nfl decision maker can justify passing on both darnold and rosen to take a rb when you see where the game is moving on offense and the relative cap hits for rookie rbs and qbs to the rest of their position groups notwithstanding the fact the current qb is 37 years old and has had one winning season in the last five years
this could potentially big the biggest draft blunder since they took someone with one working eye in the top 10
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
Its complete insanity. People want to cling on to Eli and have lost all objectivity when it comes to him. Great franchises know its better to be a year early than a year late when it comes to succession planning. Unfortunately for the Giants, that was 2016. They need a QB here (provided they believe in one of these QBs). If they do not believe in one, they have to trade back.
I agree. Yet the BBI Twitter poll has 49% of people wanting Barkley and only 41% wanting ANY QB. It is absolutely astounding to me. Do people not understand the importance of a QB in today's NFL? Barkley is not bringing this team to the promised land. A QB in this draft very well could. But we should forego that guy and - even worse - let this guy go to the Jets and watch him possibly become a franchise QB for a team that shares the same stadium? For a RB. Wow.
how any nfl decision maker can justify passing on both darnold and rosen to take a rb when you see where the game is moving on offense and the relative cap hits for rookie rbs and qbs to the rest of their position groups notwithstanding the fact the current qb is 37 years old and has had one winning season in the last five years
this could potentially big the biggest draft blunder since they took someone with one working eye in the top 10
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...
I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...
There are no surefire anythings in any draft, and if that's your threshold for picking a player, you might as well mimic the Vikings and pass. All prospects have warts. Based on sheer volume alone, at least one of these QBs and most likely multiple QBs in this class WILL emerge as franchise QBs. That's just probability.
But there are high risk picks and low risk picks...
To me there are no low risk picks of the qbs
You have to measure the context of the QB flaws being low hanging fruit for the current clickbait media environment and social media echo chamber. These QBs are no more flawed than any other prospects in the draft; they're just more likely to have stories written about them that generate clicks.
You know what's really high risk? Not having a QB.
RE: RE: There are no sure fire players in any draft
Eli is either done or just about. Not everyone is Brady or Brees. If the Giants like Darnold,pick him. If not, trade down and if need be, trade back up and pick Nelson,or a quarterback.There is no running back in the universe who would be worth what we might be able to pick up in a trade.
developing a talented young QB than I would the Jets or Browns. Last year's nightmare aside, we typically create the right environment for guys to flourish. We also hired a coach with a rep for maximizing the potential of QBs. Put a talented, driven kid like Darnold in the QB room with Manning for a year, and let Shurmur develop him - I'm sure we'd all be pleased with the results.
If Darnold is there, I think I would take a king's ransom, trade down, and rebuild both lines.
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...
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If you dont view any of the QBs as franchise guys you dont take them...
Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.
And that is fine like I said, I would be perfectly fine with darnold if they feel he can be that guy
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...
A lot of folks think this is a very strong QB class. YOu could have 6 in the first round.
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
I think the issue with that line of thinking is if you don't think there is a franchise QB out of this class when do you believe you will see a franchise QB? Its well regarded as one of the best QB classes in a long time. So if you don't see franchise QB out of these guys chances are you wont see franchise QB's out of any class...
Maybe before last year but right now no one is considering it a great class...
Sy's rankings say otherwise...
I get the QB is the most important position on the team. However, you just don't pick the next guy.
There is more to a QB for a franchise than just his playing ability. By default this guy is going to be your franchise's face. So his off field persona is just as important as well as many other factors.
That being said, *I* believe that once you decide on a QB that is the only guy you select at #2. There was a reason you slotted a guy at #1 on your board vs a different QB, and that reason might not be because of ability.
Now if your #2 guy fell into the second round, then maybe you can say he is worth a shot as BPA.
Certainly DG will have his 3 guys up for discussion, and if their guy at QB is picked, I'm not so sure they just slide in another QB
Bills are doing everything in the power to trade up
Browns, Broncos, Giants, Arizona, Miami have all been linked to QBs
You will have at least 5 go in the top 15.
This class is very, very coveted. The overanalyzing by these experts is just to get their name out there and say I told you so if one of them or more do busts. But these QBs have lots of positives.
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Oh I get that. But I see Darnold and Rosen both EASILY as franchise guys. I have reservations about the other 2. But these guys excelled at the highest level in college and both are 20/21. They have warts. But they have skills that many guys do not have.
I don't see it at all with Darnold. He looks a world beater on a rollout but in the pocket his fundamentals are all over the shop, from the way he holds the ball to his unbelievably shitty footwork.
1.) I don't love the idea any of the QB's for the NYG. There's something about those west coast guys playing in New York in Nov/Dec that scare the hell out of me and Mayfield and Allen are such boom/bust guys that investing a #2 pick in either seems too dicey.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY
2.) This roster is full of holes. The NYG have one of the most limited, least versatile, aging rosters in the NFL. They need capable bodies and can't keep running JAGS out there and expecting different results. I just like the idea of adding more talent to a roster that, as a whole, lacks depth and quality.
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For Darnold.
Barkley likely falls way to Tampa if this is true
I think Cleveland would take him at 4.
John Dorsey has never been part of a team that has drafted a RB in Round 1
Bills are doing everything in the power to trade up
Browns, Broncos, Giants, Arizona, Miami have all been linked to QBs
You will have at least 5 go in the top 15.
This class is very, very coveted. The overanalyzing by these experts is just to get their name out there and say I told you so if one of them or more do busts. But these QBs have lots of positives.
So teams desperate for a qb are trying to trade up? News at 11..
It happens every year, teams over value the QB and they are taken high even if they have flaws...
It may one day end up being a great class, me personally I just dont see it, to me there is no sure fire bet in this class
I'm still torn on Darnold.
Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.
There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.
Giants then deal 12, 53, and 56 to Denver or Indy for the #5 or #6 pick. (get one of Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson).
So basically walk away with Barkley/Chubb/Nelson + 22 + 65 + 2019 1st round pick
That would be a great scenario right there.
so it makes sense Baker and Allen are top on some lists
Really? Since when? I didn't hear those concerns with Darnold. Just some inconsistencies, but he's plenty accurate, and he's got a good arm.
I'm still torn on Darnold.
Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.
There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.
Fwiw, his INT rate was pretty low. He just fumbled a lot.
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Things are going to be mighty interesting if this is true.
I'm still torn on Darnold.
Ideal size and makeup. Tough kid with a big arm. But I don't like the throwing motion.. I don't like the turnovers, the sloppy footwork or the fact that he basically never set foot under center @ SC.
There are a lot of reasons why he may never pan out. I feel like it's a lot of risk to be okay with @ 2 overall.
Fwiw, his INT rate was pretty low. He just fumbled a lot.
Yeah, it's the fumbling - and as we've seen with #10, it's not always something that improves over time. So, it's definitely a concern for me. Not THE reason I'd not draft him - just one of a few things that give me trepidation.
Fish or cut bait...
They all suck! :)
Eh, this is pure hyperbole.
This is a strong class - but it's worth pointing out flaws. This is a huge, franchise-altering investment.
I do worry about the things I pointed out as well as the fact that the last 3 highly-touted SC QB's all busted.
But Darnold definitely has some major pluses. That kid is like a moose. The durability will be there. He can handle the spotlight. He does have a strong arm and can make some incredible throws on the run.
The mechanics are just wonky and sloppy at times - but if NYG feel that's all correctable, he has a very high ceiling.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
Yeah and all those coaches were fired because they were incompetent.
Besides, this is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE for us Giants fans.
Giants could really clean up if this happens. Whether they take Darnold or trade down.
Besides, this is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE for us Giants fans.
Giants could really clean up if this happens. Whether they take Darnold or trade down.
Except schefter is not the only one saying it
gamble a bit that you can get Rosen, or Chubb, or Barkley at a slightly lower position?
This may mirror the "Draft Day" movie a bit too closely, but would make sense
if the Giants value any or all those players very highly.
B. Chubb and a bunch of additional high picks is pretty damned enticing.
Regardless, at a brief moment at around 8:20 PM, the Giants will live in interesting,
and perilous, times.
What the hell, shake it up! Throw the dice!
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
Its complete insanity. People want to cling on to Eli and have lost all objectivity when it comes to him. Great franchises know its better to be a year early than a year late when it comes to succession planning. Unfortunately for the Giants, that was 2016. They need a QB here (provided they believe in one of these QBs). If they do not believe in one, they have to trade back.
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Schefter has had every QB going to the Browns at 1. All these guys are just parroting what they heard from others.
Besides, this is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE for us Giants fans.
Giants could really clean up if this happens. Whether they take Darnold or trade down.
Except schefter is not the only one saying it
Exactly - he is just "parroting" what he others have reported so people don't forget about him. Point is, him tweeting this means nothing.
this could potentially big the biggest draft blunder since they took someone with one working eye in the top 10
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
Its complete insanity. People want to cling on to Eli and have lost all objectivity when it comes to him. Great franchises know its better to be a year early than a year late when it comes to succession planning. Unfortunately for the Giants, that was 2016. They need a QB here (provided they believe in one of these QBs). If they do not believe in one, they have to trade back.
I agree. Yet the BBI Twitter poll has 49% of people wanting Barkley and only 41% wanting ANY QB. It is absolutely astounding to me. Do people not understand the importance of a QB in today's NFL? Barkley is not bringing this team to the promised land. A QB in this draft very well could. But we should forego that guy and - even worse - let this guy go to the Jets and watch him possibly become a franchise QB for a team that shares the same stadium? For a RB. Wow.
this could potentially big the biggest draft blunder since they took someone with one working eye in the top 10
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If I were a Browns fan, I'd start prepping for Mayfield.
I was wrong on Darnold.
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...
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I cant beleive those not wanting a QB. Our QB is 38. Last year, all the giants coaches who watch him play and practice decided that Geno Smith gave us a better chance to win. To those saying Eli still has a few years left, what is that based on other than just a prayer? No data suggests that he has more good years.
Take the name Eli Manning out of it. If Geno was coming into this year as our starter, wouldnt everyone be clamoring to draft a QB?
Imagine we had a pick 5-10, wed all be begging to try and trade up and take a QB. We need a qb just a badly as any other team. Its almost like weve become complacent with no 2 pick and unable to objectively look at what a great opportunity we have. Theres a reason other teams are trying to trade up.
It is not about not wanting a qb, it is about not seeing a franchise QB out of this class that simple..
There is absolutely a franchise QB in this draft, probably more than one. If you don't trust Gettleman and company to identify that (or those) prospect(s), that's on them, not the draft class. But at least one and probably 2-3 of this class will emerge as franchise QBs.
And you know this for certain how? There are no surefire franchise QBs in this draft...
There are no surefire anythings in any draft, and if that's your threshold for picking a player, you might as well mimic the Vikings and pass. All prospects have warts. Based on sheer volume alone, at least one of these QBs and most likely multiple QBs in this class WILL emerge as franchise QBs. That's just probability.
Look at us agreeing, dep - it's a draft day miracle!
To me there are no low risk picks of the qbs
Id be fine with that because then obviously they think hes the BPA
To me there are no low risk picks of the qbs
You have to measure the context of the QB flaws being low hanging fruit for the current clickbait media environment and social media echo chamber. These QBs are no more flawed than any other prospects in the draft; they're just more likely to have stories written about them that generate clicks.
You know what's really high risk? Not having a QB.
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you can just base it on what they can do and speculate on what they can be.
Look at us agreeing, dep - it's a draft day miracle!
Lets hug it out...